Covid-19

[Grumps]

I saw this on Facebook, and I'd wondered about it myself whenever I've seen people wearing gloves, such as those working behind the counter in shops, delivery drivers, postman etc.


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Said this a few weeks ago, and got laughed off here for it.....

[Devils_Advocate]

Said this a few weeks ago, and got laughed off here for it.....

I can see you made about 3 references to this back on the 20th March but I cant see anybody laughing at you for your comments. In fact I couldn't even see anyone disagreeing with you

Now I know you like to hold people to account for their exact words (see Garlick and Burnley going bust discussion) so do you want to show me where you were laughed at for your comments on gloves

Happy to be proven wrong as Im sure you wouldnt make something up or exaggerate on something

[Grumps]

I can see you made about 3 references to this back on the 20th March but I cant see anybody laughing at you for your comments. In fact I couldn't even see anyone disagreeing with you

Now I know you like to hold people to account for their exact words (see Garlick and Burnley going bust discussion) so do you want to show me where you were laughed at for your comments on gloves

Happy to be proven wrong as Im sure you wouldnt make something up or exaggerate on something

What a weird person you are
I Carnt remember the exact person but it was about shopping
If you think it's right that a person said Mr Garlick said Burnley would go bust, and shouldn't get picked up on it when he said nothing like that, fair enough, like I said, wierd.
I'll leave you to search people's posts, I've better things to do.

[Devils_Advocate]

What a weird person you are
I Carnt remember the exact person but it was about shopping
If you think it's right that a person said Mr Garlick said Burnley would go bust, and shouldn't get picked up on it when he said nothing like that, fair enough, like I said, wierd.
I'll leave you to search people's posts, I've better things to do.

Nope you spend your time on here picking at other peoples post.

You keep yourself safe in that lovely glass house of yours and be careful of falling stones

[morpheus2]

4,419 new deaths today?

Is that for real or are they taking into account something else now?

[morpheus2]

3rd in the world now behind USA, Italy and Spain
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[FactualFrank]

3rd in the world now behind USA, Italy and Spain

Not Spain.

[Paul Waine]

4,419 new deaths today?

Is that for real or are they taking into account something else now?

Different measurement implemented today. All the carehome and community deaths included for the first time, based on a new reporting process, if I understand correctly.

Think the deaths on Tuesday (is it up to 5pm Tuesday?) were around 785, though this is from half-an-eye on TV, while I was on a video call.

[Grumps]

Different measurement implemented today. All the carehome and community deaths included for the first time, based on a new reporting process, if I understand correctly.

Think the deaths on Tuesday (is it up to 5pm Tuesday?) were around 785, though this is from half-an-eye on TV, while I was on a video call.

The big numbers were from 1st March
785 included all deaths to 5pm yesterday
Using the old system it was around 450

[Elizabeth]

I hope the obsession with death figures that some posters have doesn't affect their own mental wellbeing .

[morpheus2]

I hope the obsession with death figures that some posters have doesn't affect their own mental wellbeing .

My neurosis has ensured I've always had an unhealthy obsession with numbers, stats, populations, distances etc. It actually makes my head ache sometimes, it's as if I have hundreds of pages and tabs open in my head, I minimise them when I have to think of something new...I wish I could just delete and have a good old Defrag.

[martin_p]

I hope the obsession with death figures that some posters have doesn't affect their own mental wellbeing .

It’s only a significant drop in the daily figures as well as new infections that is going to lead to us starting to get out of this. I’d say that’s a very good reason for keeping a keen eye on the figures.

[Elizabeth]

I look at the daily figures hoping for good news. That to me is normal rather than the obsessive nature of many of the posts on here.

[Grumps]

I hope the obsession with death figures that some posters have doesn't affect their own mental wellbeing .

The fact that the government do, keeps them at the front of peoples mind
Also our future depends on those figures, is that obsessed?

[Elizabeth]

I only have to look at many of the posts on here to know that for some it is more than that

[Darnhill Claret]

As long as the 7 day downward trend continues, we are starting to make some positive progress. Long may it continue.

[Zlatan]

Here’s a figure for you all, gold star for identifying what it refers to.

0.03916%

[Devils_Advocate]

[paulatky]

Here’s a figure for you all, gold star for identifying what it refers to.

0.03916%

% of population that has died from covid-19.

But that number is what it is because of the lockdown. Could be at least 10 times higher without the restrictions

[conyoviejo]

Here’s a figure for you all, gold star for identifying what it refers to.

0.03916%

1 thou of an inch

[ksrclaret]

% of population that has died from covid-19.

But that number is what it is because of the lockdown. Could be at least 10 times higher without the restrictions

Well done, uptheclarets, I think you won that gold star.

[Devils_Advocate]

If paulatky got it right then I object to awarding him a gold star. I have it on good authority he cheated and conferred with another poster to work out the answer

[Zlatan]

% of population that has died from covid-19.

But that number is what it is because of the lockdown. Could be at least 10 times higher without the restrictions

You are correct in regards to your answer, but not so sure about your speculation. We could also argue that it could be a lot lower too, if a different course of action was taken (face masks compulsory; right levels of PPE etc) however that would only really mean a deferral of the deaths IMO.

[paulatky]

You are correct in regards to your answer, but not so sure about your speculation. We could also argue that it could be a lot lower too, if a different course of action was taken (face masks compulsory; right levels of PPE etc) however that would only really mean a deferral of the deaths IMO.

You just need to look at the exponential growth in the number of deaths from the 23rd March until the effect of the lockdown kicked in 3 weeks later.

[Zlatan]

You just need to look at the exponential growth in the number of deaths from the 23rd March until the effect of the lockdown kicked in 3 weeks later.

You just need to understand what is written by others... oh nevermind......

[N_N_N]

Some care homes thought for themselves and closed to visitors before being forced to
They sourced PPE and had plenty. They test everyones temp every few hours, and now have the testing kits.
And guess what... They have had no outbreaks.
Sometimes you just have to think for yourself and not wait to be told what to do
A bit like those wanting a statement regarding face masks.... If you want one, get one and wear it.

So you're saying the key to their success was being forward thinking, pro-active, decisive, sourcing adequate supplies of PPE and test, test, testing right from the very start?

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

3rd in the world now behind USA, Italy and Spain
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Second in the world before the weekend...

[Lowbankclaret]

Not posted for a while but thought I would give an update on my thoughts so posters can start attacking my posts again.

Couple of weeks ago I thought we were 5-6 weeks from any lifting of lockdown and did soften that view as death numbers looked to be reducing, however the care home crisis that was being ignored is now going to push death rates up preventing lockdown measures being reduced for several weeks.

The increase in numbers yesterday did include deaths outside of hospitals but only if they had tested positive, as we know they were not testing many people outside hospitals so the real death toll will have been much higher.
As the tests get more widespread death numbers will rise unfortunately preventing an early lockdown reduction.
Some good news is the test rate has been rising but the number of positive cases has remained around the same per day.

I said I thought the number of people who would die would be 20,000 to 40,000. Unfortunately that number is now looking way to low. My new revised figures for total deaths at the end of this is now 50,000 to 70,000. A very sad number indeed.

So still no real great news of this ending anytime soon.

[Grumps]

Not having a dig lowbank, I just wonder why deaths in care homes would alter any slight relaxing of the lockdown, say like Italy, where they are going to be allowed to visit family as long as distancing rules can still be applied. If that doesn't involve a care home, or anyone who visits a care home surely it would be Ok?

[evensteadiereddie]

I look at the daily figures hoping for good news. That to me is normal rather than the obsessive nature of many of the posts on here.

A very odd, snidey remark- not like you at all.
Pretending our figures are low and that all is well would be plain stupid, I'm sure you'd agree.

[claretonthecoast1882]

% of population that has died from covid-19.

But that number is what it is because of the lockdown. Could be at least 10 times higher without the restrictions

What is 10 x 0.03916% ?

No cheating and asking your "mrs"

[Elizabeth]

You'd be the last person I'd agree with on here

[evensteadiereddie]

Eh ?

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And, assuming you are talking to me, you actually believe that pretending figures are low and pretending all is well is NOT stupid ?
Fair enough.

[TheFamilyCat]

Not having a dig lowbank, I just wonder why deaths in care homes would alter any slight relaxing of the lockdown, say like Italy, where they are going to be allowed to visit family as long as distancing rules can still be applied. If that doesn't involve a care home, or anyone who visits a care home surely it would be Ok?

At a guess, if restrictions were eased there would be more chance of care home staff being infected and taking the virus into homes.

[FactualFrank]

What is 10 x 0.03916% ?

A big cheer from some on here, as they can post, "I said this X weeks/months ago".

[Grumps]

At a guess, if restrictions were eased there would be more chance of care home staff being infected and taking the virus into homes.

Not if they weren't subject to the relaxing.

[martin_p]

Not if they weren't subject to the relaxing.

So how would that work then?

[TheFamilyCat]

Not if they weren't subject to the relaxing.

Even if they were just following the current restrictions (essential shopping, daily exercise) they are more likely to come into contact with more people if restrictions were relaxed for others.

[Grumps]

So how would that work then?

The example I gave was visiting family as long as distancing was possible
Unfortunately care home workers wouldn't be allowed to do that. The same might have to be in place for NHS workers as well. Tough on them I know, but will help millions of others.

[martin_p]

The example I gave was visiting family as long as distancing was possible
Unfortunately care home workers wouldn't be allowed to do that. The same might have to be in place for NHS workers as well. Tough on them I know, but will help millions of others.

So what about the rest of their household? And how are you enforcing this?

[Grumps]

So what about the rest of their household? And how are you enforcing this?

How's it being enforced now?
You obviously don't agree, fair enough, might as well stop the discussion, it will get very boring for others

[martin_p]

How's it being enforced now?
You obviously don't agree, fair enough, might as well stop the discussion, it will get very boring for others

So you can’t answer the question then? I can’t agree or disagree if you don’t explain how it will work.

[Grumps]

So you can’t answer the question then? I can’t agree or disagree if you don’t explain how it will work.

Ok, you win, go away and celebrate.

[FactualFrank]

What the new normal may look like: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11512601/ ... s-britain/

[Lowbankclaret]

Not having a dig lowbank, I just wonder why deaths in care homes would alter any slight relaxing of the lockdown, say like Italy, where they are going to be allowed to visit family as long as distancing rules can still be applied. If that doesn't involve a care home, or anyone who visits a care home surely it would be Ok?

It may not, you could have a point about that.

My thinking was , if the numbers are as high as claimed. Some people saying deaths in care homes are similar or above hospital deaths that will push death rates close to 900 a day again. I admit we will not know for a week or so until testing gets high enough to do most care homes that think they have Covid cases.

Stopping it spreading from care home to care home will be difficult whilst relaxing lockdown. Just my thoughts.

[CombatClaret]

What the new normal may look like: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11512601/ ... s-britain/

I was in that very queue on Monday
It's for the post office and was about 30 meter long.

[Grumps]

It may not, you could have a point about that.

My thinking was , if the numbers are as high as claimed. Some people saying deaths in care homes are similar or above hospital deaths that will push death rates close to 900 a day again. I admit we will not know for a week or so until testing gets high enough to do most care homes that think they have Covid cases.

Stopping it spreading from care home to care home will be difficult whilst relaxing lockdown. Just my thoughts.

I think this country's biggest threat will be when other countries relax their lockdowns and we see Italians, Spanish and French being allowed out socialising, visiting family etc.
Our death figures won't matter a jot to those members of the great British public who decide enough is enough and take things into their hands and Start breaking the guidelines

[paulatky]

I think this country's biggest threat will be when other countries relax their lockdowns and we see Italians, Spanish and French being allowed out socialising, visiting family etc.
Our death figures won't matter a jot to those members of the great British public who decide enough is enough and take things into their hands and Start breaking the guidelines

Dont know if its the Cocopops I have had for breakfast but I’ve agreed with a lot you have posted today. !!’

I feel what you have described above has already started to happen with a lot of businesses re-opening this week.

[Grumps]

Dont know if its the Cocopops I have had for breakfast but I’ve agreed with a lot you have posted today. !!’

I feel what you have described above has already started to happen with a lot of businesses re-opening this week.

It could be the cocopops, or not just having a go at someone as soon as you see certain usernames. Iam trying, but failing miserably at times
I think it has started, and I think the government need to explain how the exit will look, if, certain criteria is met. That's what's happened in Spain and Italy, they know, if they continue to behave, when they'll be allowed out etc

[CombatClaret]

We watched Italy, we had several weeks head start on them. Today we overtake their daily death toll and soon we will overtake their total.