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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Sun May 10, 2020 1:04 pm

Blackrod wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 12:51 pm
Not sure how you come out of lockdown with thousands of new infections every day.
Precisely! and the number of new cases is still rising in some localities,unless the government have a ready made,track,trace,isolate,strategy prepared it's madness to consider coming out of lockdown.

This Telegraph article suggests they're already having 2nd thoughts about the current model,and may have to have a back-up plan in place.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... ace-plan/

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Re: Covid-19

Post by CombatClaret » Sun May 10, 2020 1:12 pm

This also from the Torygraph.
Why a worker would want to stay at home with 31,000 dead and new infections at 18,000 per day...
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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Sun May 10, 2020 1:26 pm

Spain reports lowest daily death toll in two months

Spain has reported its lowest daily death toll in two months, as it emerges from strict lockdown restrictions.

The health ministry says 143 people died over a 24-hour period, taking Spain's total number of deaths to 26,621.

It is the lowest daily figure since 18 March, two days into the lockdown. The peak was reached on 2 April, with 950 deaths.

Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez said on Saturday that large parts of country, covering 51% of the population, would begin "phase one" of a four-step lockdown transition on Monday.

Restaurants and bars will be able to serve customers outside and shops selling non-essential items can open. Private gatherings of 10 people or fewer can also be held.

Madrid, Barcelona and the other badly-affected regions do not currently meet the criteria for similar measures, so will have to wait at least another week to move to "phase one".

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Sun May 10, 2020 1:32 pm

Sobering numbers to consider.

UK deaths 'could exceed 100,000 if lockdown relaxed too quickly'

Scientific advisers to the UK government have reportedly warned that the country could suffer more than 100,000 deaths by the end of the year if lockdown measures are relaxed too quickly.

The Sunday Times reports that the government was warned about the potential death toll early last week, with an unnamed scientific adviser telling he newspaper: “There is very limited room for manoeuvre”.

PM Boris Johnson will make a speech to the nation on Sunday evening and is expected to set out a "roadmap" for easing the restrictions.

While the government is giving little away about what may be announced, here are some of the things to look out for.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Zlatan » Sun May 10, 2020 1:41 pm

A little chuckle at the expense of Matt Hancock :D

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... wsource=cl

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Re: Covid-19

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sun May 10, 2020 2:27 pm

I don’t want to emulate Boris and get told off for misquoting the excellent Dr Spiegelhalter, but the statistics doctor came across well on Marr earlier.

My interpretation of one element was that excess UK deaths compared to normal times are:

a + (b - c)

Where a = covid deaths, b = other deaths, c = other deaths that would have happened anyway.

The key point seems to be that “b” is in part happening because of the lockdown (e.g. cancer sufferer has treatment delayed).

Therefore lifting the lockdown will save lives in “b” but cost more lives in “a”, and the government has to weigh up what best to do. I found that fascinating, because the media doesn’t often say this as clearly as he did. It’s a no win situation basically.

(Yes, I’m aware that despite saying this was clear, my post will still seem gobbledegook to many, apologies)

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Re: Covid-19

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Re: Covid-19

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sun May 10, 2020 2:44 pm

aggi wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 2:04 pm
Good to see that whatever the topic is you're still happy to completely make stuff up (unless you can point out where I claimed the treasury select committee used raw mortality rates to draw conclusions and judgements on the UK government's handling of the 2020 Coronavirus pandemic crisis).
Aha! The Olde Semantics and Wriggle approach aggi eh!?

Stop pretending you arent fully aware of my stance on this.

I've repeatedly asked for anyone to name a person, anywhere in the world, that has all the relevant information, right now. That will enable them to make a fair, balanced and accurate judgement on how individual countries have handled the unprecedented 2020 global pandemic.

I've also said that using the raw mortality rates to draw conclusions and judgements on the UK government's handling of the 2020 Coronavirus pandemic crisis, while we're still in the middle of it is premature, uninformed potentially dangerous and a fools errand.


It's quite obvious from these 2 previous post that you clearly understand my opinion and even claimed the Treasury Select Committee disagreed with it!!
aggi wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 10:31 am
I note the Treasury Select Committee doesn't really agree with your approach.
aggi wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 10:25 am
Well they directly compared the UK to another country which is one of the things you've been complaining about.
You've still to post a link where they disagree with me. In the meantime I'll leave you with the thoughts of people who actually know what they're talking about.


Dr. Stephen Baker , a professor in molecular microbiology leading a team who have developed a Covid 19 test for front line NHS workers. Speaking on Talk radio on Thursday morning around 8.30 am.

"Headline figures, at this point are only usefull in tracking where about on the virus's progress curve we currently are. With countrys using different methods, it would be unwise to use them for comparisons. Given age, health and obesity appear to be key determinants in a virus that we are still learning about

Nick Strike , head of Health and Life Events at the Office of National Statistics- Speaking on LBC around 9 am Thursday morning.

"The UK is widely accepted as being the fastest to certify and codify deaths. So I'm not surprised that our numbers are higher at this stage in the pandemic."

"There are large differences in the "method data" ,"reporting structures" between individual countries. Also the fact that we are counting "WITH COVID as opposed to "OF COVID" is also a key determining factor that could explain the greater levels of mortality so far"

Using raw mortality figures at this stage is somewhat premature when trying to ascertain how well individual countries have performed. Population density, age and the ethnic make up of individual populations will be, I think, be important factors to consider"

"The ONS would typically take around ONE YEAR when analysing standardised mortality rates before publishing its findings. Given its still ongoing, its probably going to be some time before we are at that stage"

Karol Sikora - a British physician specialising in oncology. He is currently Medical Director of Rutherford Health plc, Director of Medical Oncology at the Bahamas Cancer Centre, a partner in and dean of the University of Buckingham's medical school.

"Comparisons are dangerous. Spain's figures dont include care homes.

Italy's barely include them.

Frances sporadically include them.

It may make striking headlines,but every country records differently.

Comparisons on figures are pointless for now"

I tend to agree with a professor in molecular microbiology at Cambridge university, the head of Health and Life Events at the ONS, and a leading medical expert aggi.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by ksrclaret » Sun May 10, 2020 2:46 pm

Ey up, someone's late for 'work' again.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sun May 10, 2020 2:53 pm

martin_p wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 1:36 pm
You seem to have missed completely the original point I made (and that which the poll I linked was about) which was about the timing of the lockdown, nothing to do with comparing death rates. So do you think we went into lockdown too late?
No Marty you were asking a question-

martin_p wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 9:11 am
One wonders whether Wrongo (or indeed the government) would be taking this stance if
our figures were more like Germany’s than Spain and Italy’s. I think we all know the answer to that.
You refer to "OUR FIGURES" , which clearly means mortality rates. No mention whatsoever about lockdown timing.

And if you want to talk about "missing the point." You've, not surprisingly, missed the following! -

When making a fair and objective assessment on how each country has performed the following may have to be considered-

Excess deaths which will be a key determining factor.

A consistent way that deaths are attributed to Covid 19

Obesity.

Rates of diabetes.

Ethnic make up of population.

Age demographics.

Population densities.

Poverty.

Whether a country had already experienced similar epidemics like MERS or SARS and had infrastructure already in place which certain countries have.

Whether or not a colder/warmer climate helps or hinders the contagious nature of this new virus.

Whether having global international hub, (LONDON) through which 1000s of people from all over the world pass through on a daily basis, is a disadvantage.

Rates of single occupancy homes

Rates of multiple occupancy homes

Numbers of the population people in care homes.

The potential effect of ultra violet light on the virus in countries experiencing their summer.

The effect of vitamin D deficiency in large swathes of the population at the end of a long grey winter.


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Re: Covid-19

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sun May 10, 2020 2:57 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 1:22 pm
Funnily enough, I do agree with him. Comparisons are pointless, now and in the future.

31,241 is the number of deaths in the UK. That's not 'political mud-slinging' and is not 'uninformed'.

What is your opinion on 31,241 deaths?
My opinion on the uk deaths is probably the same as any right minded person is.

That each and everyone of those cases will be a tragedy and heartbreaking loss for the families , loved ones and friends of the individual who has sadly passed. The same applies to the deaths not just in the UK, but wherever they have occurred around the world.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by TVC15 » Sun May 10, 2020 3:02 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 2:46 pm
Ey up, someone's late for 'work' again.
Just as we were all enjoying the break eh.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by ClaretCliff » Sun May 10, 2020 3:02 pm

To decide how we come out of lockdown why don’t we hold a referendum? That seems straightforward enough.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by TVC15 » Sun May 10, 2020 3:06 pm

ClaretCliff wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 3:02 pm
To decide how we come out of lockdown why don’t we hold a referendum? That seems straightforward enough.
Will they get Priti Patel to write the no of UK deaths on a big red bus ?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sun May 10, 2020 3:16 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 1:23 pm
So why have they come to a different view point than scientist's in other parts of Europe as to when we should have locked down etc?

To be fair, the people I quoted, as you can see from above, weren't commenting on the timing of the lockdown.

However, during the same interview, speaking on Talk radio on Thursday morning around 8.30 am. What Dr. Stephen Baker , a professor in molecular microbiology leading a team who have developed a Covid 19 test for front line NHS workers, did say, when asked about the timing of the lockdown. Was , and I'm not quoting verbatim here, something on the lines of , " overall, given they had to balance the economic needs with the medical advice they were receiving. I probably think it was about right."

To answer your question directly myself. I guess the reason for "a different view point than scientist's in other parts of Europe." Is because each country has unique circumstances regards, population densities, ethnic make up, age demographics, obesity , diabetes to consider. It appears, by the government's chief medical officer's own admission previously. That around the start of March there was a difference of opinion amongst the medical experts whether to go for a swedish like herd immunity approach or lockdown. He mentioned in one of the daily briefings, I think it was, that "sometimes coming to a consensus isn't always so easy" or something on those lines.

So I guess if achieving a consensus as to the best timing for a lockdown in one country is not easy. It's going to be more difficult across nations.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sun May 10, 2020 3:17 pm

AndrewJB wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 1:25 pm
Only in a Daily Mail world would my political opinions be seen as “far left.” That draws a line back to how you inform yourself of what’s happening in the world. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor ... t_politics

Which of my opinions have been rejected by Labour?
All those that lead to their worst general election result for bloody decades! (If they've any sense!)

:lol: :lol:

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Re: Covid-19

Post by android » Sun May 10, 2020 3:21 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 2:27 pm
I don’t want to emulate Boris and get told off for misquoting the excellent Dr Spiegelhalter, but the statistics doctor came across well on Marr earlier.

My interpretation of one element was that excess UK deaths compared to normal times are:

a + (b - c)

Where a = covid deaths, b = other deaths, c = other deaths that would have happened anyway.

The key point seems to be that “b” is in part happening because of the lockdown (e.g. cancer sufferer has treatment delayed).

Therefore lifting the lockdown will save lives in “b” but cost more lives in “a”, and the government has to weigh up what best to do. I found that fascinating, because the media doesn’t often say this as clearly as he did. It’s a no win situation basically.

(Yes, I’m aware that despite saying this was clear, my post will still seem gobbledegook to many, apologies)
If this board is anything to go by, we seem to have become so fixated on "a" (understandable to a large degree) that we don't seem to be very concerned about "b - c".

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Re: Covid-19

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sun May 10, 2020 3:52 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 2:57 pm
My opinion on the uk deaths is probably the same as any right minded person is.

That each and everyone of those cases will be a tragedy and heartbreaking loss for the families , loved ones and friends of the individual who has sadly passed. The same applies to the deaths not just in the UK, but wherever they have occurred around the world.
Yes, of course each and every individual case is heartbreaking.

Do you have an opinion on the number of these heartbreaking deaths?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun May 10, 2020 4:05 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 1:41 pm
A little chuckle at the expense of Matt Hancock :D

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... wsource=cl

Humiliating. And the joke's on us , sadly.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by ksrclaret » Sun May 10, 2020 4:10 pm

Good Lord, to say Hancock has been a shambles throughout would be a huge compliment to him.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Sun May 10, 2020 4:21 pm

BREAKING
Further 10 deaths of Covid-19 patients in Scotland

Latest figures published by the Scottish government reveal that 13,486 people have tested positive for Covid-19, an increase of 181 from yesterday.

1,484 patients are in hospital with a suspected or confirmed case (down 101), with 82 being treated in intensive care (a decrease of seven).

A further 10 people who tested positive have died, taking the total in Scotland, by that measure, to 1,857 deaths.

3,100 people have been discharged from hospital after receiving treatment for the virus since 5 March.

Death figures are low,but it's a weekend,so they'll likely rise in the next few days,plenty of people recovering though.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Sun May 10, 2020 4:24 pm

BREAKING
England announces 178 more hospital deaths

The NHS has announced another 178 deaths in England of people who tested positive for Covid-19, bringing the total number of confirmed deaths in English hospitals to 23,150.

There have been another 10 confirmed deaths in Scotland, 12 more in Wales, and five in Northern Ireland.

The UK-wide figure, which also includes deaths in care homes and the community, will be announced later.

Experts have previously warned against over-interpreting daily figures of people dying with Covid-19 in the UK, since they often reflect reporting delays.

Spikes or dips may in part reflect bottlenecks in the reporting system, rather than real changes in the trend.

Many hospitals will not report deaths that happened over the weekend until the middle of the following week.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Taffy on the wing » Sun May 10, 2020 4:33 pm

Grumps wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 7:27 am
Careful, people might actually think you believe that.
They're doing a pretty good job of it!.......of course you can't see any of the problems, you're basking in Boris's Sunlit uplands.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sun May 10, 2020 4:41 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 3:52 pm
Yes, of course each and every individual case is heartbreaking.

Do you have an opinion on the number of these heartbreaking deaths?
Yes. I've already given it to you.
RingoMcCartney wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 3:52 pm
That each and everyone of those cases will be a tragedy and heartbreaking loss for the families , loved ones and friends of the individual who has sadly passed. The same applies to the deaths not just in the UK, but wherever they have occurred around the world
On the number.

One is one too many . Wherever in the world it may occur.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun May 10, 2020 5:12 pm

Particularly when it's avoidable.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Taffy on the wing » Sun May 10, 2020 5:35 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 4:05 pm
Humiliating. And the joke's on us , sadly.
He looks like he's having a Breakdown.......just shocking, this whole Government response is laughable!

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Re: Covid-19

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun May 10, 2020 5:48 pm

A few more performances like that and he'll be out.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Sun May 10, 2020 6:01 pm

Eight fined in UK after birthday party

Eight people have been fined for breaking lockdown regulations after a fight broke out at a birthday party attended by 40 adults and children.

Police in Bolton, near Manchester, broke up the brawl on Saturday evening, but some of those involved refused to leave and began to deliberately cough and spit.

Seven people were detained on suspicion of being drunk and disorderly and breaching lockdown measures.

Greater Manchester Police said they were later handed fixed penalties. Another person was not arrested but fined at the scene.

This is the dregs of society the police are dealing with,time to get tough with this vermin.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Sun May 10, 2020 6:03 pm

Well one thing you can credit the government for is their consistency.

UK misses testing target for eighth day in row

The UK government has failed to meet its target of 100,000 daily tests for the eighth day in a row.

The Department of Health and Social Care says 92,837 tests were provided in the 24 hours to 09:00 BST on Sunday - down from 96,878 the day before.

It has only met the target twice.

Earlier, the government admitted sending about 50,000 coronavirus tests to the US last week for processing after "operational issues" in UK labs.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by dsr » Sun May 10, 2020 6:10 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 12:16 pm
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Dr Ami Jones, an intensive care consultant in Wales, tweeted today to say: “Showing our supremacy in the world stats as we irresponsibly flount lockdown to celebrate VE Day in the worst fashion. Glad I’ve had a couple of weeks away from ITU to recuperate as the next wave is going to make this horrific statistic even worse. Things are about to get busy.”

He tweeted: “Our ICU already has more Covid cases than 2 weeks ago as more people go out. Ignoring lockdown has us seriously worried for the next few weeks.”
She's picked an unfortunate graph. Death rate of 6.6 per million doesn't sound very many - if she wants to frighten people back into lockdown, as she presumably does, then she ought to use a scarier stat.

As a reference point, the number of people who die each week with flu or pneumonia cited as a primary or secondary cause of death = 31 per million. Though that is an average over the whole year; that number will be double that in winter, much less in summer. Of course, the number who are killed by flu only, among people with no other pre-existing conditions, is much lower - about 3 per million per week.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Holtyclaret » Sun May 10, 2020 6:15 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 6:01 pm
Eight fined in UK after birthday party

Eight people have been fined for breaking lockdown regulations after a fight broke out at a birthday party attended by 40 adults and children.

Police in Bolton, near Manchester, broke up the brawl on Saturday evening, but some of those involved refused to leave and began to deliberately cough and spit.

Seven people were detained on suspicion of being drunk and disorderly and breaching lockdown measures.

Greater Manchester Police said they were later handed fixed penalties. Another person was not arrested but fined at the scene.

This is the dregs of society the police are dealing with,time to get tough with this vermin.
Absolute €nobheads. Unfortunately this type of behaviour has been rife throughout the lockdown and combined with bbqers, illicit hairdressing etc... what effect % wise would anyone say this has had on the number of positive cases we’ve had in the uk?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by NewClaret » Sun May 10, 2020 6:17 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 1:41 pm
A little chuckle at the expense of Matt Hancock :D

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... wsource=cl
:lol:

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Re: Covid-19

Post by NewClaret » Sun May 10, 2020 6:19 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 6:03 pm
Well one thing you can credit the government for is their consistency.

UK misses testing target for eighth day in row

The UK government has failed to meet its target of 100,000 daily tests for the eighth day in a row.

The Department of Health and Social Care says 92,837 tests were provided in the 24 hours to 09:00 BST on Sunday - down from 96,878 the day before.

It has only met the target twice.

Earlier, the government admitted sending about 50,000 coronavirus tests to the US last week for processing after "operational issues" in UK labs.
Couple of thousand in it. No biggie.

Suspect nobody can be bothered going and getting tested when the weather is so nice anyway. I certainly can’t.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Spijed » Sun May 10, 2020 6:19 pm

Holtyclaret wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 6:15 pm
what effect % wise would anyone say this has had on the number of positive cases we’ve had in the uk?
Probably no more than places like Germany where there have been protests against the lockdown with people deliberately hugging each other to prove a point!

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Sun May 10, 2020 6:27 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 6:03 pm
Well one thing you can credit the government for is their consistency.

UK misses testing target for eighth day in row

The UK government has failed to meet its target of 100,000 daily tests for the eighth day in a row.

The Department of Health and Social Care says 92,837 tests were provided in the 24 hours to 09:00 BST on Sunday - down from 96,878 the day before.

It has only met the target twice.

Earlier, the government admitted sending about 50,000 coronavirus tests to the US last week for processing after "operational issues" in UK labs.
How many people have requested tests?
Has anyone been refused a test, because there's no capacity?
Perhaps only 92,000 test were requested?
Just asking.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Holtyclaret » Sun May 10, 2020 6:28 pm

Really? I hadn’t seen that. Knobs everywhere I guess!

Anyway I’d guess at least 20% in the uk.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Holtyclaret » Sun May 10, 2020 6:31 pm

Grumps wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 6:27 pm
How many people have requested tests?
Has anyone been refused a test, because there's no capacity?
Perhaps only 92,000 test were requested?
Just asking.
I’m perfectly happy with the numbers achieved, a great effort to get to those levels from where we were with more capacity to follow to back up the contact tracing when that begins before long (if the numbers of new infections continue to fall).

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Sun May 10, 2020 6:38 pm

Holtyclaret wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 6:31 pm
I’m perfectly happy with the numbers achieved, a great effort to get to those levels from where we were with more capacity to follow to back up the contact tracing when that begins before long (if the numbers of new infections continue to fall).
So am I
The people I know who have required a test have got one the same day, or latest the day after.
There's a post on another thread that the testing site at turf moor has plenty of slots available.
The bottom line is if you need a test, you'll get one.

The less people requiring tests the better.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun May 10, 2020 6:46 pm

Holtyclaret wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 6:15 pm
Absolute €nobheads. Unfortunately this type of behaviour has been rife throughout the lockdown and combined with bbqers, illicit hairdressing etc... what effect % wise would anyone say this has had on the number of positive cases we’ve had in the uk?
It’s absolutely impossible to say, to establish any sort of number you need to be certain that the people were positive, you could have 30 negative people having a party & in truth not doing any harm nor spreading it, nevertheless it’s deemed foolish behaviour & contrary to the lockdown rulings. It’s more than possible even probable young people socialising within & more importantly STAYING within a close knit circle are not actually spreading it, chances are if there did in them circumstances there’d overcome it anyway. As daft as it sounds it’s more preferable that if people are choosing to behave that way it’s isolated in that way, it’s absolutely impossible for 5 negative people to spread it to 5 negative people, the obvious dangers are nobody can be certain & whilst that’s the case it’s better to play safe & solitary.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by martin_p » Sun May 10, 2020 6:51 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 2:53 pm
No Marty you were asking a question-




You refer to "OUR FIGURES" , which clearly means mortality rates. No mention whatsoever about lockdown timing.

And if you want to talk about "missing the point." You've, not surprisingly, missed the following! -

When making a fair and objective assessment on how each country has performed the following may have to be considered-

Excess deaths which will be a key determining factor.

A consistent way that deaths are attributed to Covid 19

Obesity.

Rates of diabetes.

Ethnic make up of population.

Age demographics.

Population densities.

Poverty.

Whether a country had already experienced similar epidemics like MERS or SARS and had infrastructure already in place which certain countries have.

Whether or not a colder/warmer climate helps or hinders the contagious nature of this new virus.

Whether having global international hub, (LONDON) through which 1000s of people from all over the world pass through on a daily basis, is a disadvantage.

Rates of single occupancy homes

Rates of multiple occupancy homes

Numbers of the population people in care homes.

The potential effect of ultra violet light on the virus in countries experiencing their summer.

The effect of vitamin D deficiency in large swathes of the population at the end of a long grey winter.

So you won’t answer a simple question. I’ll ask again. Do you agree with the majority of the country that the U.K. entered lockdown too late?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Holtyclaret » Sun May 10, 2020 6:53 pm

Bit of a crap question the more I think about it, literally impossible to calculate.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Holtyclaret » Sun May 10, 2020 6:54 pm

Sorry Martin, not aimed at you. Just saying the question I set was bobbins!!

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Sun May 10, 2020 6:56 pm

martin_p wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 6:51 pm
So you won’t answer a simple question. I’ll ask again. Do you agree with the majority of the country that the U.K. entered lockdown too late?
Sorry if I've missed it, I don't see every poll, which one said that.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by aggi » Sun May 10, 2020 7:07 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 2:44 pm
Aha! The Olde Semantics and Wriggle approach aggi eh!?

Snip
You say semantics, I say making things up. Other people I'd give the benefit of the doubt to, but you have a history of making things up so I'm less likely to do that.

I'm aware of your stance. Criticism isn't OK, praise is. I don't know why you have that double standard as you've refused to elaborate, you just copy and paste something unrelated.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun May 10, 2020 7:07 pm

Holtyclaret wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 6:53 pm
Bit of a crap question the more I think about it, literally impossible to calculate.
I’ve just had a look for the eligibility regarding the tests, every testing kit should be delivered to every household in the uk regardless if you are eligible or not, & every testing kit should have a unique code linked to the resident/s stored on a database & the testing should be compulsory, it’s the only way to isolate & be near enough 100% safe.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by AndrewJB » Sun May 10, 2020 7:16 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 3:17 pm
All those that lead to their worst general election result for bloody decades! (If they've any sense!)

:lol: :lol:
So you’ve changed from they have rejected them to they ought to.

I haven’t finished laughing at the new covid slogan yet. When I’ve described Johnson as ineffectual before, this is what I meant. A slogan to defeat a virus, like a cable car nobody uses, or a private bridge with £40 Million public funding that isn’t built. This is what Britons sadly voted for.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Zlatan » Sun May 10, 2020 7:23 pm

I have a question...

What has happened to all the terrorists that we used to be told to be worried about...?

...just asking...

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Re: Covid-19

Post by AndrewJB » Sun May 10, 2020 7:26 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 6:03 pm
Well one thing you can credit the government for is their consistency.

UK misses testing target for eighth day in row

The UK government has failed to meet its target of 100,000 daily tests for the eighth day in a row.

The Department of Health and Social Care says 92,837 tests were provided in the 24 hours to 09:00 BST on Sunday - down from 96,878 the day before.

It has only met the target twice.

Earlier, the government admitted sending about 50,000 coronavirus tests to the US last week for processing after "operational issues" in UK labs.
The new slogan gives no useful guidance, but they’ll take credit for any success, and deny it had anything to do with any failures.

At the same time they’ve been doing their very best to prevent NHS workers from making their fears known publicly:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... -shortages

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Zlatan » Sun May 10, 2020 7:26 pm

Missus raised a fair point. If everyone is to return to work tomorrow, and they have kids - who’s going to look after the kids?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Sun May 10, 2020 7:33 pm

Grumps wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 6:56 pm
Sorry if I've missed it, I don't see every poll, which one said that.
There's this Ipsos Mori poll from late April Grumps,of course hindsight's wonderful.https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/ ... nues-grow

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