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Re: Covid-19

Post by martin_p » Mon May 11, 2020 12:17 am

KateR wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 12:01 am
I can't believe this is anything to do with the relaxation though, transmission takes time to actually show through and grow plus there has not been that much relaxation for any length of time has there? Does this indicate it is still going up occasionally? Am asking questions here?
Germany started easing its lockdown around about 20th April. That’s three weeks ago, plenty of time to show up in infection figures.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by KateR » Mon May 11, 2020 12:19 am

martin_p wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 12:07 am
Your supposed to do your contingency and continuity planning before the disaster happens, not when it’s already happening.
I can 100% tell you the 2 companies I am working with had Pandemic Planning in addition to numerous other disaster planning scenarios. That's not to say some won't have had it but they have had plenty of time to work on reopening, am sure supermarkets didn't have all the ideas around distance stickers and shields for check out but they quickly adapted.

Far East learned during SARS the West didn't so definitely every Gov. has gone through a learning curve.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by KateR » Mon May 11, 2020 12:23 am

martin_p wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 12:17 am
Germany started easing its lockdown around about 20th April. That’s three weeks ago, plenty of time to show up in infection figures.
didn't realise it was that long ago, thank you, I was under the impression it was only days ago that it started.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by dsr » Mon May 11, 2020 12:27 am

One thing about the R number is that it's a very broad average. For example, if the UK's R is about 1, then it probably means that the old folks' home number is way above 1 while the rest of the UK is a bit below 1. It's variable between regions, between age groups, and between types of place.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by KateR » Mon May 11, 2020 12:51 am

dsr wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 12:27 am
One thing about the R number is that it's a very broad average. For example, if the UK's R is about 1, then it probably means that the old folks' home number is way above 1 while the rest of the UK is a bit below 1. It's variable between regions, between age groups, and between types of place.
clearly, al you have to do is look at the heat maps and BJ said 0.5 and 0.9 in different place and it's still an issue

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Re: Covid-19

Post by taio » Mon May 11, 2020 1:18 am

martin_p wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 12:07 am
Your supposed to do your contingency and continuity planning before the disaster happens, not when it’s already happening.
You're supposed to do both. Are you seriously suggesting plans should be fixed prior to knowing what the emergency is and not be subject to substantial review and change post commencement, especially during a pandemic that's the first of its kind? Sounds like a good idea :roll:
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Re: Covid-19

Post by If it be your will » Mon May 11, 2020 2:31 am

martin_p wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 9:07 pm
Again, you’re having to interpret what’s been said. How is anyone who thinks it might apply to them supposed to find out whether they are expected in work tomorrow or not?
It's quite easy to interpret really:

If you are a blue collar worker you need to start making preparations to go back to work. White collar workers, meanwhile, remain at home, but as of this week they will be allowed to go sunbathing in the park, visit beauty spots in the car, shop at garden centres and go golfing.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Mon May 11, 2020 6:22 am

Tall Paul wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 9:30 pm
So what was the issue with my post saying a lot of directors are going to be busy tonight answering questions from employees about going in to work tomorrow?
Wasn't aware there was an issue with your post

My issue would be with those people who listened to the speech and thought they Had to go into work in 12hrs,so much so they were ringing the boss up.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by jackmiggins » Mon May 11, 2020 6:43 am

In my opinion, we have gleaned the following to date (no doubt more will eventually become evident);
1. The government had woefully inadequate plans to deal with a pandemic.
2. Even so, they neglected to address that situation sooner.
3. They opted for the bare minimum option of limiting infection to protect the capacity of the NHS - queues of critically ill patients at hospitals would have totally destroyed them politically, morally and ethically.
4. They are continuing in this vein, even though test and trace has proved the most efficient option to date.
5. I’ll beat on about this particular one, as I believe it’s the most critical - flights should have been suspended immediately. That’s basically how the virus entered the country after all. Any incoming passengers should have been isolated (as was originally the case with the few passengers flown in from ships and the original two Chinese patients detected in York). Why the hell may this be carried out at the end of the month? I know I’ll get flack for this as there are a few posters who took advantage (with gross stupidity) of cheap holidays in March and then moaned that their resorts had been effectively ‘shut down’ (probably hoping for some compensation!) in addition to those ex pats scampering back for free health treatment.
I’ve no doubt that political and civil service heads will be much more concerned with covering their tracks before the inevitable backlash. Personally, I’d be happier if they were all replaced immediately with competent officials determined to deal with the matter in hand, instead of putting all their efforts into covering their backs!

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Mon May 11, 2020 7:00 am

jackmiggins wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 6:43 am

I know I’ll get flack for this as there are a few posters who took advantage (with gross stupidity) of cheap holidays in March and then moaned that their resorts had been effectively ‘shut down’ (probably hoping for some compensation!)
For those who don't know...... The above will be aimed at me and one other one here
Every single bit of the above is a lie, the poster has been told, and warned about it
1. It wasn't a cheap holiday, it was booked a year in advance
2. We didn't go in March, there were no warnings about travel, there were no cases in the UK, or where we travelled to, when we left.
3. We never moaned about the resort being shut down, as it was still open when we left

The only gross stupity is reposting something you've been told is a lie, time and time again
I've never done it, but if this continues then the poster will be reported to the moderator of this site.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by jackmiggins » Mon May 11, 2020 7:19 am

Wasn’t specifically about you, whoever you are? Was about the massive influx, including thousands of Chinese students , ex pats and, yes the idiots that decided to fly out on holidays, fully knowing about the virus (actually in Feb when much more info was available to all).

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Mon May 11, 2020 7:30 am

jackmiggins wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 7:19 am
Wasn’t specifically about you, whoever you are? Was about the massive influx, including thousands of Chinese students , ex pats and, yes the idiots that decided to fly out on holidays, fully knowing about the virus (actually in Feb when much more info was available to all).
Check your previous posts, all aimed at me

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Re: Covid-19

Post by jackmiggins » Mon May 11, 2020 7:51 am

The only posts aimed at you followed your trolling. My views are based on a more global ethos. Believe me, you are not uppermost in my mind.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Tall Paul » Mon May 11, 2020 7:52 am

Grumps wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 6:22 am
Wasn't aware there was an issue with your post

My issue would be with those people who listened to the speech and thought they Had to go into work in 12hrs,so much so they were ringing the boss up.
Top trending Google searches from around midnight last night:
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We know people are stupid, Johnson and his team know people are stupid - they took advantage of this to get elected.

There are also people who are desperate to get back to work so if the Prime Minister tells them that it should be actively encouraged effectively immediately you don't expect them to contact their boss to ask when they can?
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Mon May 11, 2020 8:07 am

jackmiggins wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 7:51 am
The only posts aimed at you followed your trolling. My views are based on a more global ethos. Believe me, you are not uppermost in my mind.
You really need to check your previous posts, and the various posts you've made accusing me of all sorts because of a holiday taken in February, and your insults in those posts.
You even said you'd get grief off certain posters once you mentioned cheap march holidays. I seem to recall one post where you accused be of having to return on a repatriation flight :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Mon May 11, 2020 8:10 am

Tall Paul wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 7:52 am
Top trending Google searches from around midnight last night:
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We know people are stupid, Johnson and his team know people are stupid - they took advantage of this to get elected.

There are also people who are desperate to get back to work so if the Prime Minister tells them that it should be actively encouraged effectively immediately you don't expect them to contact their boss to ask when they can?
If they are so desperate to get back to work, what's been stopping them?
As I understand it, correct me if iam wrong, the only businesses that will be open today, are those that have never been forced to shut down anyway.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Blackrod » Mon May 11, 2020 9:12 am

Quarantine for arrivals into the country except France. Scenes of overcrowding and no social distancing at Paris Gare du Nord this morning. They can then just drift into the UK with no quarantine and will potentially be spreading the virus. There’s no point having these rules if there’s a big weak link in the chain.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by martin_p » Mon May 11, 2020 9:16 am

taio wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 1:18 am
You're supposed to do both. Are you seriously suggesting plans should be fixed prior to knowing what the emergency is and not be subject to substantial review and change post commencement, especially during a pandemic that's the first of its kind? Sounds like a good idea :roll:
No I’m suggesting you shouldn’t be waiting for the **** to hit the fan before having a decent plan. Clearly you need to be flexible and adapt after that.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by TsarBomba » Mon May 11, 2020 9:17 am

Has anyone heard from Inchy recently?

Wondering how he’s getting on.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Mon May 11, 2020 9:20 am

Blackrod wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 9:12 am
Quarantine for arrivals into the country except France. Scenes of overcrowding and no social distancing at Paris Gare du Nord this morning. They can then just drift into the UK with no quarantine and will potentially be spreading the virus. There’s no point having these rules if there’s a big weak link in the chain.
France have agreement not to quarantine arrivals from E. U. And UK. and same for their subjects travelling into those countries

I can see other countries reaching similar agreements, but with the caveat that if a certain country has a sudden rise in cases, the agreement could be lifted. It would be strange to be able to fly from France, but not Spain Portugal or anywhere else in Europe.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by evensteadiereddie » Mon May 11, 2020 9:25 am

Precise dates would have helped, dates which might have helped businesses make re-opening plans and arrangements, however tentative, with something to work towards.
Sure, there'd be the understanding these would be under constant review and could possibly change but it seems to be the complete fog, the uncertainty which is killing some of these businesses off.
It was interesting to hear the views of two business folks from the South West after Johnson's waffle, one a hotel owner from Weston, the other representing trade across that region. Neither of them left-wingers, I assume, but both pretty scathing in their observations.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by NewClaret » Mon May 11, 2020 9:30 am

Grumps wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 8:10 am
If they are so desperate to get back to work, what's been stopping them?
As I understand it, correct me if iam wrong, the only businesses that will be open today, are those that have never been forced to shut down anyway.
That’s correct. So hard to understand why there’s all the “confusion”. In fact, many employers (B&Q, etc) have already been reopening after putting the appropriate measures in place.

In answer to another posters question: I think your boss should be calling you!
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Mon May 11, 2020 9:38 am

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 9:25 am
Precise dates would have helped, dates which might have helped businesses make re-opening plans and arrangements, however tentative, with something to work towards.
Sure, there'd be the understanding these would be under constant review and could possibly change but it seems to be the complete fog, the uncertainty which is killing some of these businesses off.
It was interesting to hear the views of two business folks from the South West after Johnson's waffle, one a hotel owner from Weston, the other representing trade across that region. Neither of them left-wingers, I assume, but both pretty scathing in their observations.
I've not been critical of Boris, or the government, but last night's statement was, poor at best.
Hopefully more meat will be put on the bones today
Iam sure businesses will be given more information, if they haven't already.
What the general public can do needs clearing up. As it stands, I think you can drive to a park and meet up with your mum, but couldn't walk round the corner to speak to her on the driveway or in the garden, obviously observing the 2m rule.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by IanMcL » Mon May 11, 2020 9:39 am

KateR wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 12:19 am
Far East learned during SARS the West didn't so definitely every Gov. has gone through a learning curve.
The UK did learn, highlighted its acute failings and what needed to be done, following a major exercise,. in 2016.

Then it did nothing....
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Tall Paul » Mon May 11, 2020 9:55 am

Grumps wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 8:10 am
If they are so desperate to get back to work, what's been stopping them?
As I understand it, correct me if iam wrong, the only businesses that will be open today, are those that have never been forced to shut down anyway.
Their workplace being closed is what's stopping them, obviously.

Not all businesses that are closed were forced to close by the government. Our company, for example, supplies to the leisure industry so there is no work to do but many of the staff want to come back and think that Johnson was telling them that they should be able to today.

I hear Dominic Raab has changed the advice to going back to work on Wednesday now :roll:

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Mon May 11, 2020 9:59 am

Tall Paul wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 9:55 am
Their workplace being closed is what's stopping them, obviously.

Not all businesses that are closed were forced to close by the government. Our company, for example, supplies to the leisure industry so there is no work to do but many of the staff want to come back and think that Johnson was telling them that they should be able to.
They want to go back, knowing there's nothing to do? And because they think Boris told them they could do?

Where do you get your workforce from?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Burnley Ace » Mon May 11, 2020 10:02 am

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 9:25 am
Precise dates would have helped, dates which might have helped businesses make re-opening plans and arrangements, however tentative, with something to work towards.
Sure, there'd be the understanding these would be under constant review and could possibly change but it seems to be the complete fog, the uncertainty which is killing some of these businesses off.
It was interesting to hear the views of two business folks from the South West after Johnson's waffle, one a hotel owner from Weston, the other representing trade across that region. Neither of them left-wingers, I assume, but both pretty scathing in their observations.
If you don’t then meet the precise date then you are condemned for failing to meet your target. Businesses should have already made a number of different contingency plans.

The hotel owner should liaise with his trade associations who in turn should be working with the local council and tourism depts to be in the best position to react when there are further announcements in July.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by martin_p » Mon May 11, 2020 10:07 am

Johnson must know last night’s announcement has gone down badly as he’s cancelled today’s COVID press conference and replaced it with a q&a session with selected members of the public. Much better to have vetted questions from the public than those nasty journalists when things aren’t going as planned.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Mon May 11, 2020 10:20 am

martin_p wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 10:07 am
Johnson must know last night’s announcement has gone down badly as he’s cancelled today’s COVID press conference and replaced it with a q&a session with selected members of the public. Much better to have vetted questions from the public than those nasty journalists when things aren’t going as planned.
He said in the speech last night that he would be addressing parliament

And taking questions from the public later

So it hasn't been changed.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by FactualFrank » Mon May 11, 2020 10:24 am

martin_p wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 10:07 am
Johnson must know last night’s announcement has gone down badly as he’s cancelled today’s COVID press conference and replaced it with a q&a session with selected members of the public. Much better to have vetted questions from the public than those nasty journalists when things aren’t going as planned.
Do you know what time?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon May 11, 2020 10:28 am

FactualFrank wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 10:24 am
Do you know what time?
Priti Patel has tweeted it will be at 92 past mid 7 this aftermorning
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Mala591 » Mon May 11, 2020 10:33 am

BBC still making the same (serious) mistake of quoting numbers of deaths FROM Coronavirus instead of deaths WITH Coronavirus.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by martin_p » Mon May 11, 2020 10:35 am

FactualFrank wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 10:24 am
Do you know what time?
No one knows what time at the moment.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by martin_p » Mon May 11, 2020 10:36 am

Grumps wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 10:20 am
He said in the speech last night that he would be addressing parliament

And taking questions from the public later

So it hasn't been changed.
He didn’t mention he was cancelling his press conference. Media organisations have only found out this morning.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by aggi » Mon May 11, 2020 10:37 am

NewClaret wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 10:15 pm
Let me tell you what we’ve done then.

- bought some non-invasive thermometers to check people on entry.
- written our own policy on office use, partly based on government advice and partly common sense.
- cleared all desks. People should operate a clear desk policy anyway, but they don’t. This is to aid cleaning, both normal physical cleaning and a new product we’ve bought that fills the office with a fog that deep cleans the office.
- bought the said deep cleaning products.
- arranged with our cleaning contractors to staff up, including the rota/SLA’s, for when we return.
- bought hand sanitiser for each row of desks, wipes for each desk and glove dispensers near touch points (like doors).
- prioritised employee’s for return to work based on need, their own transport arrangements, health conditions, etc. We’ve known for at least a month who would be first back in the office when restrictions were lifted.

It’s not been easy to organise, but we’ve had plenty of time to do it.
They all seem minimal interventions though, nothing costing a massive amount.

Take a factory where social distancing isn't possible with the current layout. Should they be spending significant amounts on moving machines, rerouting walkways, expanding toilets and canteens, etc, at a time when money is likely to be scarce, in the hope that this is suitable. You can understand why some businesses would hold off to see what the plan is going to be before incurring the cost.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by martin_p » Mon May 11, 2020 10:38 am

aggi wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 10:37 am
They all seem minimal interventions though, nothing costing a massive amount.

Take a factory where social distancing isn't possible with the current layout. Should they be spending significant amounts on moving machines, rerouting walkways, expanding toilets and canteens, etc, at a time when money is likely to be scarce, in the hope that this is suitable. You can understand why some businesses would hold off to see what the plan is going to be before incurring the cost.
Johnson has used the phrase ‘where possible’ to give employers a get out so many won’t bother.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by aggi » Mon May 11, 2020 10:42 am

FactualFrank wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 10:24 am
Do you know what time?
Statement to Parliament will be at 3.30. Not sure when the Q&A session will be (I'm not that interested in seeing Johnson answer some easy win questions).
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Mon May 11, 2020 10:45 am

martin_p wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 10:36 am
He didn’t mention he was cancelling his press conference. Media organisations have only found out this morning.
Or they didn't listen properly
Lots wrong with last night's speech, but he set out what he was doing today

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Re: Covid-19

Post by NottsClaret » Mon May 11, 2020 10:46 am

I'm no fan of Boris, he's a liar, a chancer and totally unsuitable to be Prime Minister and his cabinet is the most useless bunch of no marks I can remember.

However, there's a worrying trend brought on by the lockdown where everyone is becoming infantilised. We all have a lot of information now about how to avoid spreading the virus. All these endless 'yes but can I play catch in the park with my cousin on a Wednesday?' type questions.. jeez, you've all still got minds.

You don't need every last eventuality spelling out for you. I can work from home so I do. I don't go and see my friends. I don't go to my parents. I go to the shops and take the kids out for exercise. My missus goes to work because she has to but is careful. We all know what we should do. Pretending to be utterly baffled by a fairly simple policy just because your whole day isn't mapped out for you like some primary school child is getting tiresome.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by duncandisorderly » Mon May 11, 2020 10:52 am

NottsClaret wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 10:46 am
I'm no fan of Boris, he's a liar, a chancer and totally unsuitable to be Prime Minister and his cabinet is the most useless bunch of no marks I can remember.

However, there's a worrying trend brought on by the lockdown where everyone is becoming infantilised. We all have a lot of information now about how to avoid spreading the virus. All these endless 'yes but can I play catch in the park with my cousin on a Wednesday?' type questions.. jeez, you've all got still minds.

You don't need every last eventuality spelling out for you. I can work from home so I do. I don't go and see my friends. I don't go to my parents. I go to the shops and take the kids out for exercise. My missus goes to work because she has to but is careful. We all know what we should do. Pretending to be utterly baffled by a fairly simple policy just because your whole day isn't mapped out for you like some primary school child is getting tiresome.
Corrected that for you.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon May 11, 2020 10:55 am

NottsClaret wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 10:46 am
I'm no fan of Boris, he's a liar, a chancer and totally unsuitable to be Prime Minister and his cabinet is the most useless bunch of no marks I can remember.

However, there's a worrying trend brought on by the lockdown where everyone is becoming infantilised. We all have a lot of information now about how to avoid spreading the virus. All these endless 'yes but can I play catch in the park with my cousin on a Wednesday?' type questions.. jeez, you've all still got minds.

You don't need every last eventuality spelling out for you. I can work from home so I do. I don't go and see my friends. I don't go to my parents. I go to the shops and take the kids out for exercise. My missus goes to work because she has to but is careful. We all know what we should do. Pretending to be utterly baffled by a fairly simple policy just because your whole day isn't mapped out for you like some primary school child is getting tiresome.

Really isn't as hard to work out as some are making it. By the end of this we are going to be left with even more people who need their hand holding through life. Tiresome is the perfect word for it.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Mon May 11, 2020 11:02 am

It amazes me that people can wipe their backsides without being told when, where, who can be with you, how often.......

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Post by TVC15 » Mon May 11, 2020 11:09 am

From my understanding of the extent of relaxation of lockdown restrictions I think Boris Johnson has got this about correct....and “Boris Johnson” and “correct” are not words I have used in the same sentence very often.

I do think there is confusion - and ministers talking this morning don’t seem too sure themselves. I think it will be a lot clearer by the end of today and I also think that irrespective of the specific measures announced the overall feeling of little change for the next 3 or 4 weeks seems the most sensible approach given the amount of new cases still emerging every day and how we are still early in our understanding of the virus.

I am not sure why the government decided to communicate this in the way it did.
It was due on Thursday - I’m guessing he wanted to avoid a bank holiday situation but that did not work anyway.
Sunday evenings video message was pretty vague and generic.
And then they start to brief media outlets with a few titbits / specifics - just led to more confusion.
Monday - government ministers discussing it across media outlets...still vague and inconsistent.
Monday afternoon - specifics to be released with detail.

Why did they not just issue the detail with the message ? That could have happened anytime between Thursday and this afternoon...
Or even release the detail before - give people time to digest, get questions ready etc and give the high level summary / context and rationale afterwards.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Swizzlestick » Mon May 11, 2020 11:10 am

Has the dick measuring contest above finished now?

The government have changed their minds three times this morning already about meeting up with family. Asking for some clarity on that has now suddenly turned into some weird ‘you need to be told what to do’ diatribe.
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Post by ksrclaret » Mon May 11, 2020 11:10 am

Even the Sun are going with the story of utter confusion from the government this morning.

Whether you like it or not, the communication has gone tits up again.

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Post by ksrclaret » Mon May 11, 2020 11:12 am

Swizzlestick wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 11:10 am
Has the dick measuring contest above finished now?

The government have changed their minds three times this morning already about meeting up with family. Asking for some clarity on that has now suddenly turned into some weird ‘you need to be told what to do’ diatribe.
My favourite is when they compare people needing clarity over the Coronavirus, a pathogen that has killed 31,000 people in the UK and counting, with needing clarity on things like getting dressed in the morning or crossing a road.

They then imply other people are stupid. You couldn’t make it up.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by TVC15 » Mon May 11, 2020 11:15 am

Funny how a lot of people who were saying they don’t need their hand holding and everything was crystal clear are the same ones who make up their own interpretation of lockdown rules.
How many times have you heard “I can decide for myself how many times I go out as long as I socially distance etc” ?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by randomclaret2 » Mon May 11, 2020 11:19 am

Things would have been so different with Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott and Long Bailey at the helm

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Mala591 » Mon May 11, 2020 11:20 am

2 metre distancing on public transport is obviously impossible. Reducing down to 1 metre and making face coverings compulsory is imo the only possible solution. Buses, trains, tubes etc will need to limit the number of passengers they carry at any one time (good luck with that!).

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Re: Covid-19

Post by CombatClaret » Mon May 11, 2020 11:26 am

ksrclaret wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 11:10 am
Even the Sun are going with the story of utter confusion from the government this morning.

Whether you like it or not, the communication has gone tits up again.
If they can't communicate clearly and keep having to go back on or clarify points you have to assume they don't have a clue what they're doing in the first place.

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