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Re: Covid-19

Post by chadders » Fri May 22, 2020 12:10 am

Spoke with a work colleague who's wife is a GP. They're prepping an old warehouse down here as an isolation unit in case of a second spike. Working flat out. Fingers crossed this virus is on its way out and the unit won't be required. Time will tell.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by FactualFrank » Fri May 22, 2020 8:32 am

Children and older adults to take part in vaccine trial

Children and older adults are to be included in the second phase of vaccine trials to protect against coronavirus.

The first phase of the University of Oxford trial began in April, involving 1,000 healthy adults aged 55 and under.

Trials of the same vaccine on monkeys appear to have given them protection against the disease.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52760871

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Re: Covid-19

Post by TheFamilyCat » Fri May 22, 2020 9:27 am

FactualFrank wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 8:32 am
Children and older adults to take part in vaccine trial

Children and older adults are to be included in the second phase of vaccine trials to protect against coronavirus.

The first phase of the University of Oxford trial began in April, involving 1,000 healthy adults aged 55 and under.

Trials of the same vaccine on monkeys appear to have given them protection against the disease.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52760871
Does that mean we can socialise with groups of monkeys now?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri May 22, 2020 9:28 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 9:27 am
Does that mean we can socialise with groups of monkeys now?
Only those you live with

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Re: Covid-19

Post by bfcjg » Fri May 22, 2020 10:37 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 9:27 am
Does that mean we can socialise with groups of monkeys now?
Theres no way I'm going shopping in Blackburn yet.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by jackmiggins » Fri May 22, 2020 10:49 am

False news I’m afraid. The tests have merely infected Monkeys thus far, which in itself, is worrying.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by mdd2 » Fri May 22, 2020 11:03 am

Big problem with this and other trials of vaccines now is the reduction is cases of infection. if none or only a few of these folk get infection in the non-covid vaccinated group due to a low rate of virus in circulation we will not know whether any of these vaccines work unless we give the go ahead based upon the level of antibodies produced which we do not know if that confers any kind of immunity. Just hope the hue and cry for ACTION doesn't lead to unwise plans as seems to be the case so far with every man and his dog wanting to knock back anything that is done to try and help with this pandemic.
Home kits to test for presence of the virus will be a laugh if based upon self swabbing.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Mala591 » Fri May 22, 2020 11:22 am

Maybe we will just have to accept a 0.5 -1% premature death rate after infection is the price that has to be paid for the country to return to some kind of new normality.

The over 70s and those with serious underlying medical problems might be being protected but is mass unemployment, a collapsed economy and a poor quality of life for everyone else an acceptable solution?
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Re: Covid-19

Post by FactualFrank » Fri May 22, 2020 11:26 am

mdd2 wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 11:03 am
Big problem with this and other trials of vaccines now is the reduction is cases of infection. if none or only a few of these folk get infection in the non-covid vaccinated group due to a low rate of virus in circulation we will not know whether any of these vaccines work.
Yeah, ironically, more people being infected actually helps as it means more data to work with.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by jackmiggins » Fri May 22, 2020 11:29 am

If we go for 100% infection, we’ll know exactly how many people die!

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri May 22, 2020 11:36 am

This story seems eerily similar to the lady who was in the news at one of London’s train stations last week.

https://www.lbcnews.co.uk/uk-news/taxi- ... spat-fare/

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Re: Covid-19

Post by keith1879 » Fri May 22, 2020 12:14 pm

This looks interesting. Just one of many things being tried I expect. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52754280
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Re: Covid-19

Post by keith1879 » Fri May 22, 2020 12:18 pm

Mala591 wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 11:22 am
Maybe we will just have to accept a 0.5 -1% premature death rate after infection is the price that has to be paid for the country to return to some kind of new normality.

The over 70s and those with serious underlying medical problems might be being protected but is mass unemployment, a collapsed economy and a poor quality of life for everyone else an acceptable solution?
I agree with your general argument...like most things it shouldn't be a black and white choice however. A combination of being able to target socially restrictive measures on the people who have actually got the disease and treatments to reduce the severity for those who catch it should eventually get us to a better quality of life.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by jackmiggins » Fri May 22, 2020 12:43 pm

Do we really think the economy will collapse? I’ve been working at home full time and our order book is stacking up - construction feasibility and design. This isn’t the banker’s **** up of 2008. Fully expect mayhem when clients unlock (many mainstream companies). Let’s hope many of us survive through this, despite the govt’s ineptitude.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Fri May 22, 2020 12:46 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 11:41 pm
The Tory Justice Minister is appalling.

Shame that the government is made up of ministers who are only there because they agreed not to oppose a no deal brexit and are seen as malleable enough by no 10, rather than being in their positions on merit. There are far more capable Tory MPs on the back benches.
He's not a minister he's a junior minister,which probably explains why I've never heard of him.

He wasn't great though was he,how many times did Fiona Bruce have to probe him before he admitted the app wouldn't be rolled for at least a few weeks,stop the B.S and spin and treat the public like adults.

What his stance is now on brexit IDK,but according to his Wiki page he was opposed prior to the referendum.

I do note his company Moreof Silverstone is registered in the tax haven Jersey.

And i agree with the previous comments the former Danish PM was sensible and sane,if only more of our parliamentarians were so practical.

One example was her citing the use of venues such as cinemas,museums & sports stadiums to enhance children's education in a safe environment,we never think outside the box in this country.

And Denmark were one of the European countries who realised the threat of covid,and acted quickly in response,they didn't even have to impose a harsh lockdown,and already they're opening up their economy.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Fri May 22, 2020 12:53 pm

It seems Sir Tom has a rival.

Coronavirus: Dabirul Choudhury, 100, raises £150k with Ramadan walk

A 100-year-old man has raised more than £150,000 for coronavirus relief by walking while fasting for Ramadan.

Dabirul Islam Choudhury, from St Albans, challenged himself to walk 100 laps of his garden during the Islamic holy month, which ends on Saturday.

Mr Choudhury wants the donations to help people affected by coronavirus in the UK and Bangladesh.

He was inspired by World War Two veteran Captain Sir Tom Moore, who raised nearly £33m for charity.

Capt Tom, who is now 100, began walking 100 laps of his 80-metre garden on 26 April to raise money for NHS Charities Together.

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer praised Mr Choudhury's effort as "incredible" in a Tweet and added he was "an inspiration to us all".

Mr Choudhury's initial aim was to raise £1,000, which he hit within hours.

Since then Mr Choudhury's JustGiving page has raised more than £150,000 for the Ramadan Family Commitment Covid-19 crisis initiative, run by British-Bangladeshi television broadcaster Channel S.

"Thank you for your generous donations," Mr Choudhury said. "We have proved that we can stand hand to hand and shoulder to shoulder during the most unprecedented time of our lives.

"I would like to congratulate Captain Sir Thomas Moore for being knighted for his exemplary efforts to raise funds for our NHS."

Mr Choudhury has been fundraising for the entire month of Ramadan, which this year is from 23 April to 23 May, while continuing to observe religious fasting.

Born on 1 January 1920 in British Assam, now modern-day Bangladesh, Mr Choudhury moved to London to study English literature in 1957.

The St Albans community leader is also an accomplished poet.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by ksrclaret » Fri May 22, 2020 12:59 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 12:46 pm
He's not a minister he's a junior minister,which probably explains why I've never heard of him.

He wasn't great though was he,how many times did Fiona Bruce have to probe him before he admitted the app wouldn't be rolled for at least a few weeks,stop the B.S and spin and treat the public like adults.

What his stance is now on brexit IDK,but according to his Wiki page he was opposed prior to the referendum.

I do note his company Moreof Silverstone is registered in the tax haven Jersey.

And i agree with the previous comments the former Danish PM was sensible and sane,if only more of our parliamentarians were so practical.

One example was her citing the use of venues such as cinemas,museums & sports stadiums to enhance children's education in a safe environment,we never think outside the box in this country.

And Denmark were one of the European countries who realised the threat of covid,and acted quickly in response,they didn't even have to impose a harsh lockdown,and already they're opening up their economy.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25377 ... outh/votes

If he was opposed to the referendum he must have changed his mind.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by bfcjg » Fri May 22, 2020 1:01 pm

The problem in the UK is we have one of the most densely populated countries in Europe,sadly coupled with the densest politicians; it was always a recipe for disaster.
https://www.worldometers.info/populatio ... opulation/

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Fri May 22, 2020 1:06 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 12:59 pm
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25377 ... outh/votes

If he was opposed to the referendum he must have changed his mind.
That may well be the case,i don't want this thread going off topic so i'll end the brexit discussion here.

But it wouldn't be the 1st time an aspiring MP has had a Damascene conversion when promotion beckons.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by jackmiggins » Fri May 22, 2020 1:11 pm

We have an extremely rigid system betwixt government, banking and commerce. Very many MPs have commercial interests and pressures. This should be put to an end as, for far too long now, it has a major effect on the direction of strategy that is NOT to the benefit of the populous.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by bfcjg » Fri May 22, 2020 1:15 pm

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-s ... 39855.html
There does seem to be conflicting opinions about how manypeople havebeen infected ,?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Fri May 22, 2020 1:32 pm

This is to be applauded.

Mortgage holidays extended

Homeowners in the UK who are struggling financially due to the pandemic will be able to extend their mortgage payment holiday for a further three months or cut their payments.

Mortgage holidays were introduced in March. They allow people to defer payments without affecting their credit rating.

That respite from payments was set to end for the first applicants in June, and the Treasury said the extension would provide certainty for those affected.

But it said borrowers should still pay their mortgages if they were able.

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Re: Covid-19

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Re: Covid-19

Post by FactualFrank » Fri May 22, 2020 1:43 pm

keith1879 wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 12:14 pm
This looks interesting. Just one of many things being tried I expect. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52754280
I know a bit about the T-cells, purely due to my illness and the meds I'm on. They're known as the 'fighter cells'. Interesting the bit regarding the Lymphocytes as mine were down a bit at my last blood test. Something I should follow up.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri May 22, 2020 1:55 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 1:32 pm
This is to be applauded.

Mortgage holidays extended

Homeowners in the UK who are struggling financially due to the pandemic will be able to extend their mortgage payment holiday for a further three months or cut their payments.

Mortgage holidays were introduced in March. They allow people to defer payments without affecting their credit rating.

That respite from payments was set to end for the first applicants in June, and the Treasury said the extension would provide certainty for those affected.

But it said borrowers should still pay their mortgages if they were able.
Agree, I think later down the line though people taking advantage will regret it & it'll come back to haunt them, you are only putting off what needs to be paid, the 80% whilst off was supposed to be designed so you carry on as near as normal as possible for now, a structured scheme where you pay a percentage for now & the additional percentage after on top would have discouraged reckless borrowing & more financial responsibility, in time it'll lead to more problems with people spending what should be allocated elsewhere.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Hipper » Fri May 22, 2020 2:19 pm

jackmiggins wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 12:43 pm
Do we really think the economy will collapse? I’ve been working at home full time and our order book is stacking up - construction feasibility and design. This isn’t the banker’s **** up of 2008. Fully expect mayhem when clients unlock (many mainstream companies). Let’s hope many of us survive through this, despite the govt’s ineptitude.
Some large and up to now important sections of the economy are having major problems - transport (flying, cars, trains), retail (non food anyway), hospitality (hotels, eateries etc., holiday resorts), no doubt others. We have already seen redundancies announced at Rolls Royce, Virgin Atlantic and I dare say others. Universities look like they will have problems with finances. The government is borrowing enormous amounts of money to keep us, some businesses and local authorities afloat. This will have to be paid back somehow in time. Surviving businesses will have to recoup their costs for adapting.

It seems to me the only real success story will be supermarkets and how we have become even more dependent on them. I don't think that is a good thing and would like to see, as I've mentioned before, more encouragement to grow food individually.

The economy may not collapse but threats are all around for difficult times ahead.

Of course a lot depends on how we eventually learn to cope with the virus.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Fri May 22, 2020 2:26 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 1:37 pm
Tens of thousands of tests have been double counted

What a surprise.
This is what happens when daft targets are set,as long as testing is available for those who require it,the numbers aren't really relevant.

What's more important is the strategy,but it's the government who've pushed reaching 100k a day,then 200k a day,and that's why they're being forced to massage the figures to meet targets which never needed setting in the first place.

Testing is important of course,but testing alone won't curb the spread,it's what happens after someone tests positive that's the key,and this is where the track trace isolate part is the vital factor.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Fri May 22, 2020 2:28 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 1:55 pm
Agree, I think later down the line though people taking advantage will regret it & it'll come back to haunt them, you are only putting off what needs to be paid, the 80% whilst off was supposed to be designed so you carry on as near as normal as possible for now, a structured scheme where you pay a percentage for now & the additional percentage after on top would have discouraged reckless borrowing & more financial responsibility, in time it'll lead to more problems with people spending what should be allocated elsewhere.
I don't have a mortgage, but family have, they were advised to take the holiday. With a 25/30 year mortgage most will renegotiate or move mortgage companies several times in that period, and new terms will eventually get them back to where they were.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by AndrewJB » Fri May 22, 2020 3:46 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... is-johnson

Cruel and useless. We had austerity that killed at best the high tens of thousands of fellow citizens, and yet didn’t solve the problem it was intended to do. Now we have more needless deaths with the virus. Has any political party caused more misery in recent times?

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Post by Grumps » Fri May 22, 2020 3:49 pm

AndrewJB wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 3:46 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... is-johnson

Cruel and useless. We had austerity that killed at best the high tens of thousands of fellow citizens, and yet didn’t solve the problem it was intended to do. Now we have more needless deaths with the virus. Has any political party caused more misery in recent times?
If they hadn't though, what would you have had to moan about... Every cloud :lol: :lol:

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Post by dsr » Fri May 22, 2020 4:13 pm

AndrewJB wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 3:46 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... is-johnson

Cruel and useless. We had austerity that killed at best the high tens of thousands of fellow citizens, and yet didn’t solve the problem it was intended to do. Now we have more needless deaths with the virus. Has any political party caused more misery in recent times?
The beauty of it is that you can blame the government for not shutting down the economy because coronavirus costs lives, and you can blame the government because they have shut down the economy because austerity costs lives, and when you add them up you probably get some people who have died twice solely because of the Conservative party.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri May 22, 2020 4:17 pm

Grumps wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 2:28 pm
I don't have a mortgage, but family have, they were advised to take the holiday. With a 25/30 year mortgage most will renegotiate or move mortgage companies several times in that period, and new terms will eventually get them back to where they were.
Yes that's partly true, depending on the circumstances, it's advisable to repay debt asap in normal financial circumstances for less interest to be accrued overall long-term, debt doesn't disappear it only disappears when it's repaid unfortunately, I really wish it did but there you go.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Zlatan » Fri May 22, 2020 4:23 pm

dsr wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 4:13 pm
The beauty of it is that you can blame the government for not shutting down the economy because coronavirus costs lives, and you can blame the government because they have shut down the economy because austerity costs lives, and when you add them up you probably get some people who have died twice solely because of the Conservative party.
Isn’t that how they’re counting the Covid tests?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by CombatClaret » Fri May 22, 2020 4:27 pm

Ministers rejected school reopening plan recommended by Sage experts

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... ge-experts

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Re: Covid-19

Post by AndrewJB » Fri May 22, 2020 4:29 pm

dsr wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 4:13 pm
The beauty of it is that you can blame the government for not shutting down the economy because coronavirus costs lives, and you can blame the government because they have shut down the economy because austerity costs lives, and when you add them up you probably get some people who have died twice solely because of the Conservative party.
Had we shut down earlier, we might have nipped it in the bud with far fewer deaths, and be more certain of easing the lockdown right now.

If the burden of the recovery is shared across society, and those at the bottom protected, we’ll see both a faster recovery, and fewer austerity related deaths. But if the costs of recovery are - like the last recession - heaped on those at the bottom, then (just as with last time) we’ll see a slow recovery and many preventable deaths. That’s the choice the government has.

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Post by tim_noone » Fri May 22, 2020 4:34 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 11:36 am
This story seems eerily similar to the lady who was in the news at one of London’s train stations last week.

https://www.lbcnews.co.uk/uk-news/taxi- ... spat-fare/
Another disgusting individual ...theres some sh!t vermin out there.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by dsr » Fri May 22, 2020 4:37 pm

AndrewJB wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 4:29 pm
Had we shut down earlier, we might have nipped it in the bud with far fewer deaths, and be more certain of easing the lockdown right now.

If the burden of the recovery is shared across society, and those at the bottom protected, we’ll see both a faster recovery, and fewer austerity related deaths. But if the costs of recovery are - like the last recession - heaped on those at the bottom, then (just as with last time) we’ll see a slow recovery and many preventable deaths. That’s the choice the government has.
Yep, that's the beauty of it. Even if the government makes every single decision from now on exactly in accordance with your views, you can still slate them for ever on the grounds that the recession is going to kill millions and no-one would have died (apart from perhaps a few with coronavirus caused by someone other than the government) if Labour had been in power.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Fri May 22, 2020 4:55 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 4:17 pm
Yes that's partly true, depending on the circumstances, it's advisable to repay debt asap in normal financial circumstances for less interest to be accrued overall long-term, debt doesn't disappear it only disappears when it's repaid unfortunately, I really wish it did but there you go.
I think the thought behind it, is when you change your mortgage you do that because of a better deal, and what you can afford, therefore any months missed will be absorbed into the new, affordable payments.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by paulatky » Fri May 22, 2020 5:05 pm

Grumps wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 4:55 pm
I think the thought behind it, is when you change your mortgage you do that because of a better deal, and what you can afford, therefore any months missed will be absorbed into the new, affordable payments.
But taking a mortgage holiday now could seriously affect your chances of getting that better deal in the future. For some taking the mortgage holiday might be the only option , but unless its really necessary its not a good idea.
Although it doesnt go against your credit history a lot of mortgage lenders are asking applicants have they ever taken a payment holiday,
Mortgages are harder to come by now than they were 3 months ago.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by TheFamilyCat » Fri May 22, 2020 5:09 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 4:27 pm
Ministers rejected school reopening plan recommended by Sage experts

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... ge-experts
Following the science?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Fri May 22, 2020 5:12 pm

paulatky wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 5:05 pm
But taking a mortgage holiday now could seriously affect your chances of getting that better deal in the future. For some taking the mortgage holiday might be the only option , but unless its really necessary its not a good idea.
Although it doesnt go against your credit history a lot of mortgage lenders are asking applicants have they ever taken a payment holiday,
Mortgages are harder to come by now than they were 3 months ago.
Which mortgage company do you work for?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri May 22, 2020 5:20 pm

Grumps wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 4:55 pm
I think the thought behind it, is when you change your mortgage you do that because of a better deal, and what you can afford, therefore any months missed will be absorbed into the new, affordable payments.
Will only apply to a small portion on a already existing worse deal, you only have to miss a few payments & you are looking at a 4 figure sum to catch up on, however you condense into a new deal won’t make much of a difference if any & don’t forget to add on the new administration paperwork costs & brokering commission fee if applicable.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Fri May 22, 2020 5:26 pm

inbound flights facing new quarantine rules,arguably should happened earlier,but they're finally getting to grips.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-1 ... 4382.html

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Fri May 22, 2020 5:33 pm

What is it with these bleeding Lordshttps://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/coron ... 0123.html

Time to shut this outdated institution down for good.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Fri May 22, 2020 5:46 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 5:26 pm
inbound flights facing new quarantine rules,arguably should happened earlier,but they're finally getting to grips.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-1 ... 4382.html
How do the government expect those arriving, to get to their address to self isolate? Public transport?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri May 22, 2020 5:51 pm

AndrewJB wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 3:46 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... is-johnson

Cruel and useless. We had austerity that killed at best the high tens of thousands of fellow citizens, and yet didn’t solve the problem it was intended to do. Now we have more needless deaths with the virus. Has any political party caused more misery in recent times?

Labour and the Iraq war ?
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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Fri May 22, 2020 6:04 pm

Grumps wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 5:46 pm
How do the government expect those arriving, to get to their address to self isolate? Public transport?
According to the report this- Anyone arriving by air, sea or rail will be advised to use personal transport to head to their accommodation, and once there not leave for 14 days.

What you do if you have no access to personal transport is a good :?:

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Re: Covid-19

Post by TheFamilyCat » Fri May 22, 2020 6:47 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 5:26 pm
inbound flights facing new quarantine rules,arguably should happened earlier,but they're finally getting to grips.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-1 ... 4382.html
Not even a token gesture

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Fri May 22, 2020 6:53 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 6:04 pm
According to the report this- Anyone arriving by air, sea or rail will be advised to use personal transport to head to their accommodation, and once there not leave for 14 days.

What you do if you have no access to personal transport is a good :?:
I doubt those arriving by air will have their own transport, its just playing at it tbh.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Fri May 22, 2020 7:08 pm

One of my close neighbours, in his early eighties, had been struggling a bit and needed carers for the last couple of years. They moved him into a care home temporarily whilst he had a walk in shower fitted. He caught coronavirus in the care home. Found out yesterday that he died in hospital during the week.

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