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Spoke with a work colleague who's wife is a GP. They're prepping an old warehouse down here as an isolation unit in case of a second spike. Working flat out. Fingers crossed this virus is on its way out and the unit won't be required. Time will tell.
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Children and older adults to take part in vaccine trial
Children and older adults are to be included in the second phase of vaccine trials to protect against coronavirus.
The first phase of the University of Oxford trial began in April, involving 1,000 healthy adults aged 55 and under.
Trials of the same vaccine on monkeys appear to have given them protection against the disease.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52760871
Children and older adults are to be included in the second phase of vaccine trials to protect against coronavirus.
The first phase of the University of Oxford trial began in April, involving 1,000 healthy adults aged 55 and under.
Trials of the same vaccine on monkeys appear to have given them protection against the disease.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52760871
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Does that mean we can socialise with groups of monkeys now?FactualFrank wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 8:32 amChildren and older adults to take part in vaccine trial
Children and older adults are to be included in the second phase of vaccine trials to protect against coronavirus.
The first phase of the University of Oxford trial began in April, involving 1,000 healthy adults aged 55 and under.
Trials of the same vaccine on monkeys appear to have given them protection against the disease.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52760871
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Only those you live withTheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 9:27 amDoes that mean we can socialise with groups of monkeys now?
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Theres no way I'm going shopping in Blackburn yet.TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 9:27 amDoes that mean we can socialise with groups of monkeys now?
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False news I’m afraid. The tests have merely infected Monkeys thus far, which in itself, is worrying.
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Big problem with this and other trials of vaccines now is the reduction is cases of infection. if none or only a few of these folk get infection in the non-covid vaccinated group due to a low rate of virus in circulation we will not know whether any of these vaccines work unless we give the go ahead based upon the level of antibodies produced which we do not know if that confers any kind of immunity. Just hope the hue and cry for ACTION doesn't lead to unwise plans as seems to be the case so far with every man and his dog wanting to knock back anything that is done to try and help with this pandemic.
Home kits to test for presence of the virus will be a laugh if based upon self swabbing.
Home kits to test for presence of the virus will be a laugh if based upon self swabbing.
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Maybe we will just have to accept a 0.5 -1% premature death rate after infection is the price that has to be paid for the country to return to some kind of new normality.
The over 70s and those with serious underlying medical problems might be being protected but is mass unemployment, a collapsed economy and a poor quality of life for everyone else an acceptable solution?
The over 70s and those with serious underlying medical problems might be being protected but is mass unemployment, a collapsed economy and a poor quality of life for everyone else an acceptable solution?
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Yeah, ironically, more people being infected actually helps as it means more data to work with.mdd2 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 11:03 amBig problem with this and other trials of vaccines now is the reduction is cases of infection. if none or only a few of these folk get infection in the non-covid vaccinated group due to a low rate of virus in circulation we will not know whether any of these vaccines work.
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If we go for 100% infection, we’ll know exactly how many people die!
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This story seems eerily similar to the lady who was in the news at one of London’s train stations last week.
https://www.lbcnews.co.uk/uk-news/taxi- ... spat-fare/
https://www.lbcnews.co.uk/uk-news/taxi- ... spat-fare/
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This looks interesting. Just one of many things being tried I expect. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52754280
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I agree with your general argument...like most things it shouldn't be a black and white choice however. A combination of being able to target socially restrictive measures on the people who have actually got the disease and treatments to reduce the severity for those who catch it should eventually get us to a better quality of life.Mala591 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 11:22 amMaybe we will just have to accept a 0.5 -1% premature death rate after infection is the price that has to be paid for the country to return to some kind of new normality.
The over 70s and those with serious underlying medical problems might be being protected but is mass unemployment, a collapsed economy and a poor quality of life for everyone else an acceptable solution?
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Do we really think the economy will collapse? I’ve been working at home full time and our order book is stacking up - construction feasibility and design. This isn’t the banker’s **** up of 2008. Fully expect mayhem when clients unlock (many mainstream companies). Let’s hope many of us survive through this, despite the govt’s ineptitude.
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He's not a minister he's a junior minister,which probably explains why I've never heard of him.ksrclaret wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 11:41 pmThe Tory Justice Minister is appalling.
Shame that the government is made up of ministers who are only there because they agreed not to oppose a no deal brexit and are seen as malleable enough by no 10, rather than being in their positions on merit. There are far more capable Tory MPs on the back benches.
He wasn't great though was he,how many times did Fiona Bruce have to probe him before he admitted the app wouldn't be rolled for at least a few weeks,stop the B.S and spin and treat the public like adults.
What his stance is now on brexit IDK,but according to his Wiki page he was opposed prior to the referendum.
I do note his company Moreof Silverstone is registered in the tax haven Jersey.
And i agree with the previous comments the former Danish PM was sensible and sane,if only more of our parliamentarians were so practical.
One example was her citing the use of venues such as cinemas,museums & sports stadiums to enhance children's education in a safe environment,we never think outside the box in this country.
And Denmark were one of the European countries who realised the threat of covid,and acted quickly in response,they didn't even have to impose a harsh lockdown,and already they're opening up their economy.
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It seems Sir Tom has a rival.
Coronavirus: Dabirul Choudhury, 100, raises £150k with Ramadan walk
A 100-year-old man has raised more than £150,000 for coronavirus relief by walking while fasting for Ramadan.
Dabirul Islam Choudhury, from St Albans, challenged himself to walk 100 laps of his garden during the Islamic holy month, which ends on Saturday.
Mr Choudhury wants the donations to help people affected by coronavirus in the UK and Bangladesh.
He was inspired by World War Two veteran Captain Sir Tom Moore, who raised nearly £33m for charity.
Capt Tom, who is now 100, began walking 100 laps of his 80-metre garden on 26 April to raise money for NHS Charities Together.
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer praised Mr Choudhury's effort as "incredible" in a Tweet and added he was "an inspiration to us all".
Mr Choudhury's initial aim was to raise £1,000, which he hit within hours.
Since then Mr Choudhury's JustGiving page has raised more than £150,000 for the Ramadan Family Commitment Covid-19 crisis initiative, run by British-Bangladeshi television broadcaster Channel S.
"Thank you for your generous donations," Mr Choudhury said. "We have proved that we can stand hand to hand and shoulder to shoulder during the most unprecedented time of our lives.
"I would like to congratulate Captain Sir Thomas Moore for being knighted for his exemplary efforts to raise funds for our NHS."
Mr Choudhury has been fundraising for the entire month of Ramadan, which this year is from 23 April to 23 May, while continuing to observe religious fasting.
Born on 1 January 1920 in British Assam, now modern-day Bangladesh, Mr Choudhury moved to London to study English literature in 1957.
The St Albans community leader is also an accomplished poet.
Coronavirus: Dabirul Choudhury, 100, raises £150k with Ramadan walk
A 100-year-old man has raised more than £150,000 for coronavirus relief by walking while fasting for Ramadan.
Dabirul Islam Choudhury, from St Albans, challenged himself to walk 100 laps of his garden during the Islamic holy month, which ends on Saturday.
Mr Choudhury wants the donations to help people affected by coronavirus in the UK and Bangladesh.
He was inspired by World War Two veteran Captain Sir Tom Moore, who raised nearly £33m for charity.
Capt Tom, who is now 100, began walking 100 laps of his 80-metre garden on 26 April to raise money for NHS Charities Together.
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer praised Mr Choudhury's effort as "incredible" in a Tweet and added he was "an inspiration to us all".
Mr Choudhury's initial aim was to raise £1,000, which he hit within hours.
Since then Mr Choudhury's JustGiving page has raised more than £150,000 for the Ramadan Family Commitment Covid-19 crisis initiative, run by British-Bangladeshi television broadcaster Channel S.
"Thank you for your generous donations," Mr Choudhury said. "We have proved that we can stand hand to hand and shoulder to shoulder during the most unprecedented time of our lives.
"I would like to congratulate Captain Sir Thomas Moore for being knighted for his exemplary efforts to raise funds for our NHS."
Mr Choudhury has been fundraising for the entire month of Ramadan, which this year is from 23 April to 23 May, while continuing to observe religious fasting.
Born on 1 January 1920 in British Assam, now modern-day Bangladesh, Mr Choudhury moved to London to study English literature in 1957.
The St Albans community leader is also an accomplished poet.
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https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25377 ... outh/votestiger76 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 12:46 pmHe's not a minister he's a junior minister,which probably explains why I've never heard of him.
He wasn't great though was he,how many times did Fiona Bruce have to probe him before he admitted the app wouldn't be rolled for at least a few weeks,stop the B.S and spin and treat the public like adults.
What his stance is now on brexit IDK,but according to his Wiki page he was opposed prior to the referendum.
I do note his company Moreof Silverstone is registered in the tax haven Jersey.
And i agree with the previous comments the former Danish PM was sensible and sane,if only more of our parliamentarians were so practical.
One example was her citing the use of venues such as cinemas,museums & sports stadiums to enhance children's education in a safe environment,we never think outside the box in this country.
And Denmark were one of the European countries who realised the threat of covid,and acted quickly in response,they didn't even have to impose a harsh lockdown,and already they're opening up their economy.
If he was opposed to the referendum he must have changed his mind.
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The problem in the UK is we have one of the most densely populated countries in Europe,sadly coupled with the densest politicians; it was always a recipe for disaster.
https://www.worldometers.info/populatio ... opulation/
https://www.worldometers.info/populatio ... opulation/
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That may well be the case,i don't want this thread going off topic so i'll end the brexit discussion here.ksrclaret wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 12:59 pmhttps://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25377 ... outh/votes
If he was opposed to the referendum he must have changed his mind.
But it wouldn't be the 1st time an aspiring MP has had a Damascene conversion when promotion beckons.
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We have an extremely rigid system betwixt government, banking and commerce. Very many MPs have commercial interests and pressures. This should be put to an end as, for far too long now, it has a major effect on the direction of strategy that is NOT to the benefit of the populous.
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https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-s ... 39855.html
There does seem to be conflicting opinions about how manypeople havebeen infected ,?
There does seem to be conflicting opinions about how manypeople havebeen infected ,?
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This is to be applauded.
Mortgage holidays extended
Homeowners in the UK who are struggling financially due to the pandemic will be able to extend their mortgage payment holiday for a further three months or cut their payments.
Mortgage holidays were introduced in March. They allow people to defer payments without affecting their credit rating.
That respite from payments was set to end for the first applicants in June, and the Treasury said the extension would provide certainty for those affected.
But it said borrowers should still pay their mortgages if they were able.
Mortgage holidays extended
Homeowners in the UK who are struggling financially due to the pandemic will be able to extend their mortgage payment holiday for a further three months or cut their payments.
Mortgage holidays were introduced in March. They allow people to defer payments without affecting their credit rating.
That respite from payments was set to end for the first applicants in June, and the Treasury said the extension would provide certainty for those affected.
But it said borrowers should still pay their mortgages if they were able.
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I know a bit about the T-cells, purely due to my illness and the meds I'm on. They're known as the 'fighter cells'. Interesting the bit regarding the Lymphocytes as mine were down a bit at my last blood test. Something I should follow up.keith1879 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 12:14 pmThis looks interesting. Just one of many things being tried I expect. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52754280
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Agree, I think later down the line though people taking advantage will regret it & it'll come back to haunt them, you are only putting off what needs to be paid, the 80% whilst off was supposed to be designed so you carry on as near as normal as possible for now, a structured scheme where you pay a percentage for now & the additional percentage after on top would have discouraged reckless borrowing & more financial responsibility, in time it'll lead to more problems with people spending what should be allocated elsewhere.tiger76 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 1:32 pmThis is to be applauded.
Mortgage holidays extended
Homeowners in the UK who are struggling financially due to the pandemic will be able to extend their mortgage payment holiday for a further three months or cut their payments.
Mortgage holidays were introduced in March. They allow people to defer payments without affecting their credit rating.
That respite from payments was set to end for the first applicants in June, and the Treasury said the extension would provide certainty for those affected.
But it said borrowers should still pay their mortgages if they were able.
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Some large and up to now important sections of the economy are having major problems - transport (flying, cars, trains), retail (non food anyway), hospitality (hotels, eateries etc., holiday resorts), no doubt others. We have already seen redundancies announced at Rolls Royce, Virgin Atlantic and I dare say others. Universities look like they will have problems with finances. The government is borrowing enormous amounts of money to keep us, some businesses and local authorities afloat. This will have to be paid back somehow in time. Surviving businesses will have to recoup their costs for adapting.jackmiggins wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 12:43 pmDo we really think the economy will collapse? I’ve been working at home full time and our order book is stacking up - construction feasibility and design. This isn’t the banker’s **** up of 2008. Fully expect mayhem when clients unlock (many mainstream companies). Let’s hope many of us survive through this, despite the govt’s ineptitude.
It seems to me the only real success story will be supermarkets and how we have become even more dependent on them. I don't think that is a good thing and would like to see, as I've mentioned before, more encouragement to grow food individually.
The economy may not collapse but threats are all around for difficult times ahead.
Of course a lot depends on how we eventually learn to cope with the virus.
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This is what happens when daft targets are set,as long as testing is available for those who require it,the numbers aren't really relevant.Tall Paul wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 1:37 pmTens of thousands of tests have been double counted
What a surprise.
What's more important is the strategy,but it's the government who've pushed reaching 100k a day,then 200k a day,and that's why they're being forced to massage the figures to meet targets which never needed setting in the first place.
Testing is important of course,but testing alone won't curb the spread,it's what happens after someone tests positive that's the key,and this is where the track trace isolate part is the vital factor.
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I don't have a mortgage, but family have, they were advised to take the holiday. With a 25/30 year mortgage most will renegotiate or move mortgage companies several times in that period, and new terms will eventually get them back to where they were.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 1:55 pmAgree, I think later down the line though people taking advantage will regret it & it'll come back to haunt them, you are only putting off what needs to be paid, the 80% whilst off was supposed to be designed so you carry on as near as normal as possible for now, a structured scheme where you pay a percentage for now & the additional percentage after on top would have discouraged reckless borrowing & more financial responsibility, in time it'll lead to more problems with people spending what should be allocated elsewhere.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... is-johnson
Cruel and useless. We had austerity that killed at best the high tens of thousands of fellow citizens, and yet didn’t solve the problem it was intended to do. Now we have more needless deaths with the virus. Has any political party caused more misery in recent times?
Cruel and useless. We had austerity that killed at best the high tens of thousands of fellow citizens, and yet didn’t solve the problem it was intended to do. Now we have more needless deaths with the virus. Has any political party caused more misery in recent times?
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If they hadn't though, what would you have had to moan about... Every cloudAndrewJB wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 3:46 pmhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... is-johnson
Cruel and useless. We had austerity that killed at best the high tens of thousands of fellow citizens, and yet didn’t solve the problem it was intended to do. Now we have more needless deaths with the virus. Has any political party caused more misery in recent times?
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The beauty of it is that you can blame the government for not shutting down the economy because coronavirus costs lives, and you can blame the government because they have shut down the economy because austerity costs lives, and when you add them up you probably get some people who have died twice solely because of the Conservative party.AndrewJB wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 3:46 pmhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... is-johnson
Cruel and useless. We had austerity that killed at best the high tens of thousands of fellow citizens, and yet didn’t solve the problem it was intended to do. Now we have more needless deaths with the virus. Has any political party caused more misery in recent times?
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Yes that's partly true, depending on the circumstances, it's advisable to repay debt asap in normal financial circumstances for less interest to be accrued overall long-term, debt doesn't disappear it only disappears when it's repaid unfortunately, I really wish it did but there you go.
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Isn’t that how they’re counting the Covid tests?dsr wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 4:13 pmThe beauty of it is that you can blame the government for not shutting down the economy because coronavirus costs lives, and you can blame the government because they have shut down the economy because austerity costs lives, and when you add them up you probably get some people who have died twice solely because of the Conservative party.
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Ministers rejected school reopening plan recommended by Sage experts
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... ge-experts
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... ge-experts
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Had we shut down earlier, we might have nipped it in the bud with far fewer deaths, and be more certain of easing the lockdown right now.dsr wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 4:13 pmThe beauty of it is that you can blame the government for not shutting down the economy because coronavirus costs lives, and you can blame the government because they have shut down the economy because austerity costs lives, and when you add them up you probably get some people who have died twice solely because of the Conservative party.
If the burden of the recovery is shared across society, and those at the bottom protected, we’ll see both a faster recovery, and fewer austerity related deaths. But if the costs of recovery are - like the last recession - heaped on those at the bottom, then (just as with last time) we’ll see a slow recovery and many preventable deaths. That’s the choice the government has.
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Another disgusting individual ...theres some sh!t vermin out there.Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 11:36 amThis story seems eerily similar to the lady who was in the news at one of London’s train stations last week.
https://www.lbcnews.co.uk/uk-news/taxi- ... spat-fare/
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Yep, that's the beauty of it. Even if the government makes every single decision from now on exactly in accordance with your views, you can still slate them for ever on the grounds that the recession is going to kill millions and no-one would have died (apart from perhaps a few with coronavirus caused by someone other than the government) if Labour had been in power.AndrewJB wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 4:29 pmHad we shut down earlier, we might have nipped it in the bud with far fewer deaths, and be more certain of easing the lockdown right now.
If the burden of the recovery is shared across society, and those at the bottom protected, we’ll see both a faster recovery, and fewer austerity related deaths. But if the costs of recovery are - like the last recession - heaped on those at the bottom, then (just as with last time) we’ll see a slow recovery and many preventable deaths. That’s the choice the government has.
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I think the thought behind it, is when you change your mortgage you do that because of a better deal, and what you can afford, therefore any months missed will be absorbed into the new, affordable payments.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 4:17 pmYes that's partly true, depending on the circumstances, it's advisable to repay debt asap in normal financial circumstances for less interest to be accrued overall long-term, debt doesn't disappear it only disappears when it's repaid unfortunately, I really wish it did but there you go.
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But taking a mortgage holiday now could seriously affect your chances of getting that better deal in the future. For some taking the mortgage holiday might be the only option , but unless its really necessary its not a good idea.
Although it doesnt go against your credit history a lot of mortgage lenders are asking applicants have they ever taken a payment holiday,
Mortgages are harder to come by now than they were 3 months ago.
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Following the science?CombatClaret wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 4:27 pmMinisters rejected school reopening plan recommended by Sage experts
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... ge-experts
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Which mortgage company do you work for?paulatky wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 5:05 pmBut taking a mortgage holiday now could seriously affect your chances of getting that better deal in the future. For some taking the mortgage holiday might be the only option , but unless its really necessary its not a good idea.
Although it doesnt go against your credit history a lot of mortgage lenders are asking applicants have they ever taken a payment holiday,
Mortgages are harder to come by now than they were 3 months ago.
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Will only apply to a small portion on a already existing worse deal, you only have to miss a few payments & you are looking at a 4 figure sum to catch up on, however you condense into a new deal won’t make much of a difference if any & don’t forget to add on the new administration paperwork costs & brokering commission fee if applicable.
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inbound flights facing new quarantine rules,arguably should happened earlier,but they're finally getting to grips.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-1 ... 4382.html
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-1 ... 4382.html
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What is it with these bleeding Lordshttps://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/coron ... 0123.html
Time to shut this outdated institution down for good.
Time to shut this outdated institution down for good.
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How do the government expect those arriving, to get to their address to self isolate? Public transport?tiger76 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 5:26 pminbound flights facing new quarantine rules,arguably should happened earlier,but they're finally getting to grips.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-1 ... 4382.html
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AndrewJB wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 3:46 pmhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... is-johnson
Cruel and useless. We had austerity that killed at best the high tens of thousands of fellow citizens, and yet didn’t solve the problem it was intended to do. Now we have more needless deaths with the virus. Has any political party caused more misery in recent times?
Labour and the Iraq war ?
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According to the report this- Anyone arriving by air, sea or rail will be advised to use personal transport to head to their accommodation, and once there not leave for 14 days.
What you do if you have no access to personal transport is a good
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Not even a token gesturetiger76 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 5:26 pminbound flights facing new quarantine rules,arguably should happened earlier,but they're finally getting to grips.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-1 ... 4382.html
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I doubt those arriving by air will have their own transport, its just playing at it tbh.
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One of my close neighbours, in his early eighties, had been struggling a bit and needed carers for the last couple of years. They moved him into a care home temporarily whilst he had a walk in shower fitted. He caught coronavirus in the care home. Found out yesterday that he died in hospital during the week.