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If he claims to be a good parent why would he drive with poor eyesight?
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Maybe that is the case, Grumps. I know a number of people who live in London who choose not to drive long distances. It was a little question I was waiting for one of the journos to ask - but none did. However, I'd hazard a guess if the same question was asked of some of the journos, it wouldn't surprise me if they, or someone close to them, was also a "no motorways" driver. That's what easy access to public transport does for a lot of Londoners.
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They knew. They’ve known this for ages. As one of the questioners said “we’ve been asking where you are at the government briefing for weeks”.Swizzlestick wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 5:40 pmHis home was under that much threat, nobody noticed he and his family weren’t there for two weeks.
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One thing that doesn't make sense to me is how the concern about people attacking his property was relevant.
He was working 16 hour days before the illness with his wife and child alone at home so what changed to make it a valid reason to go and live in another property.
The illness is irreverent as they were in that situation regardless so are we saying that anybody in the public eye who feels under threat can just up sticks and drive across the country to another home
If Cummings felt that due to his position working for this govt that his family and home were under threat then this should have been discussed with govt security who im sure could have assessed the risk and offered protection if deemed necessary
He was working 16 hour days before the illness with his wife and child alone at home so what changed to make it a valid reason to go and live in another property.
The illness is irreverent as they were in that situation regardless so are we saying that anybody in the public eye who feels under threat can just up sticks and drive across the country to another home
If Cummings felt that due to his position working for this govt that his family and home were under threat then this should have been discussed with govt security who im sure could have assessed the risk and offered protection if deemed necessary
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No issues him travelling to a safe place where he had access to childcare if both became incapacitated. Do have an issue with the 25m drive, whatever the reasons. He should have apologised unreservedly for that.Zlatan wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 5:17 pmThat’s how I feel too, I’m feeling very conflicted by this. Yesterday I was so bloody angry as I haven’t seen my kids or my parents in over 2+ months and I felt betrayed; then his explanation including detail we didn’t know about such as the threat he felt at home in London seemed plausible and although still breaking the rules was something I could relate to; and now he’s undone all the humility and is the arrogant cock that I think we all know he is.
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With respect tiger76, those people are stupid.tiger76 wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 4:25 pmThey're all hypocrites and that's why party allegiance means nothing to me,however for a cabinet minister to flout his own government's guidance should have been a demotion offence at least,how can anybody take them seriously anymore when they wilfully ignore their own advice.
A link from the Beeb about how other families have had to abide by the rules during this crisis shows why people are irate at how their own government have behaved https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52798032
Stories like theirs brings home the reality of how much the lockdown has affected people in various ways,but they've knuckled down and got on with it,as have millions of other citizens,clearly some of the higher echelons feel they're above the laws and rules which the rest of us have to abide by.
In my own experience I've had to forgo a family funeral as numbers were limited and naturally immediate family were prioritised,but that's just the price we have to pay to ensure this virus doesn't wreck further havoc on society.
The actions of Cummings,Jenrick and others puts 2 fingers up to the vast majority who've obeyed the rules set out,that's why there's so much anger throughout the country.
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A weak, insipid, coward running the country. Oh and a liar.
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Absolutely amazed nobody asked the question, shows how bad they really are.Paul Waine wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 5:51 pmMaybe that is the case, Grumps. I know a number of people who live in London who choose not to drive long distances. It was a little question I was waiting for one of the journos to ask - but none did. However, I'd hazard a guess if the same question was asked of some of the journos, it wouldn't surprise me if they, or someone close to them, was also a "no motorways" driver. That's what easy access to public transport does for a lot of Londoners.
None of them seem to have taken the 30secs it took me to find the bit about exemptions around children, I think I first posted the link on here on Saturday.
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Isn't that simply a reflection on the people who gather outside his house, whoever they are?Swizzlestick wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 5:40 pmHis home was under that much threat, nobody noticed he and his family weren’t there for two weeks.
Though, to be fair, I think there were reports in media asking "where's Dom?" when he hadn't been seen in London in early April.
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I have nothing particularly against Cummings but his Barnard Castle trip story is risible.
Maybe Kyle Walker should've said he was just checking his eyesight when he had the "models" round his place.
Maybe Kyle Walker should've said he was just checking his eyesight when he had the "models" round his place.
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The return to Number 10 and the drive to the castle are clear breaches of lockdown regulations and he should’ve, at the bare minimum, apologised for them.
The fact he didn’t says a lot about him and this government.
This now makes a mockery of any future public health guidance from the government. It’s severely diluted the message, at a crucial juncture as we look to ease up the lockdown. The fact the government haven’t acted on that is actually quite astonishing.
The fact he didn’t says a lot about him and this government.
This now makes a mockery of any future public health guidance from the government. It’s severely diluted the message, at a crucial juncture as we look to ease up the lockdown. The fact the government haven’t acted on that is actually quite astonishing.
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Agree with all of that. One was within the rules, the other wasn't. Just seems to me a poor excuse from someone who has been caught out, and that's the best he could come up with.
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Journos were too focused on "get Dom" rather than "can we report facts" to our readers/listeners/viewers.
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All went a bit like the Harry Enfield sketch where the Tory politician does the statement at the gates of his country estate
Should have done a “we were out buying groceries when we took a wrong turn and accidentally happened on a beauty spot. I jumped out of the car to ask the bluebells for directions home, while my wife ushered away onlookers. Soon we were back on our way”.
Whilst it sounds as though he didn’t take significant risks, he should have apologised unreservedly. He was clearly wrong.
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Think he got himself to be honest. The onus was on him to report the facts, the journos were there to ask the questions.Paul Waine wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 6:04 pmJournos were too focused on "get Dom" rather than "can we report facts" to our readers/listeners/viewers.
Wasn't that why the whole thing was set up in the first place? So he could report some 'facts'?
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Should we accept that people in public eye may be under threat in their homes, DA?Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 5:56 pmOne thing that doesn't make sense to me is how the concern about people attacking his property was relevant.
He was working 16 hour days before the illness with his wife and child alone at home so what changed to make it a valid reason to go and live in another property.
The illness is irreverent as they were in that situation regardless so are we saying that anybody in the public eye who feels under threat can just up sticks and drive across the country to another home
If Cummings felt that due to his position working for this govt that his family and home were under threat then this should have been discussed with govt security who im sure could have assessed the risk and offered protection if deemed necessary
You may, of course, have identified why his father spoke with the police when DC and family arrived at the vacant property on his parent's farm. Always a good idea not to advertise where you are if there is the possibility of others creating threats.
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I feel sorry for that Professor who lost his job for shagging during the lockdown. He should've just said he was worried his penis had stopped working and he wanted to double check.
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What part of DC's report do you have issues with ksr?
Follow-up question: what did you think of the journos questions?
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He lost me properly there as well.Pimlico_Claret wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 5:18 pmI can't remember stopping to fill up with petrol. FFS, give up now man, you are becoming a laughing stock.
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Now that he’s wanking himself to oblivion his eyesight will deteriorate too...Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 6:10 pmI feel sorry for that Professor who lost his job for shagging during the lockdown. He should've just said he was worried his penis had stopped working and he wanted to double check.
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Yes I acknowledged that but I dont see its relation to them being ill.Paul Waine wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 6:10 pmShould we accept that people in public eye may be under threat in their homes, DA?
You may, of course, have identified why his father spoke with the police when DC and family arrived at the vacant property on his parent's farm. Always a good idea not to advertise where you are if there is the possibility of others creating threats.
Like I said govt have security to support by issues like that and had they recommended Cummings go to a unknown property in Durham then regardless of whether they were sick or not they would have been no question to answer
Do you feel that anyone who feels a threat at their home can just break lockdown rules and go somewhere else?
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The drive to Barnard Castle from Durham on the account he needed to check to his eyesight would hold up.Paul Waine wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 6:12 pmWhat part of DC's report do you have issues with ksr?
Follow-up question: what did you think of the journos questions?
I thought the journos questions were pretty standard given the situation, to be honest. I can accept that some made it too obvious they don't like him, but I'm not sure what else in terms of questioning you'd expect from them.
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I know it's a different situation, I'm sure we are all familiar with the domestic abuse advice. I'd expect that that situation is also an exception to the "stay at home" rules.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 6:14 pm
Do you feel that anyone who feels a threat at their home can just break lockdown rules and go somewhere else?
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We know some of the journos, already. Others were new to me. I could have done with "X from Y media" type of introduction. (We only got the "X").ksrclaret wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 6:21 pmThe drive to Barnard Castle from Durham on the account he needed to check to his eyesight would hold up.
I thought the journos questions were pretty standard given the situation, to be honest. I can accept that some made it too obvious they don't like him, but I'm not sure what else in terms of questioning you'd expect from them.
It would have been interesting if any one of the journos had asked about the quality of the reports by their colleagues. Which of today's journos "broke" the story in the Mirror and Guardian, were they there?
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Still dont understand why this was suddenly a problem because of the illness.Paul Waine wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 6:22 pmI know it's a different situation, I'm sure we are all familiar with the domestic abuse advice. I'd expect that that situation is also an exception to the "stay at home" rules.
Sounds like an excuse to me but if true and it was that serious then Im sure he's reported it to the police who give a reference every time a report of this nature.
Until we say some evidence beyond it being just his say so then I dont see this as a valid reason for travelling to Durham. I fully expect you to agree with me on this this cos whenever theres been a critical story of the govt you've demanded unequivocal proof and have not been prepared to simply take someones word (especially when you deem them to have a bias or a conflict of interest)
Anyway the main point to my post was to try and understand why this suddenly became an issue when he was actually going to be spending all his time in the home and not be leaving his wife and child alone. Not sure you've tried but you definitely havn't helped me understand this logic so leave it there
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Tomorrow's Guardian scoop.
Man in "Protecting my family" shocker!
Man in "Protecting my family" shocker!
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Weston-Super-Mare hospital has closed to new patients after it became overwhelmed with coronavirus patients.
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Protecting his family by going on a 60 mile test drive to check his eyesight.RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 6:35 pmTomorrow's Guardian scoop.
Man in "Protecting my family" shocker!
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Yeah but DomCum is more important...Billy Balfour wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 6:38 pmWeston-Super-Mare hospital has closed to new patients after it became overwhelmed with coronavirus patients.
...ahh the penny drops now
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For those really keen to know if his wife could drive then according to Mary Wakefield the answer is yes
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ent ... prize-2000
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ent ... prize-2000
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Today's UTC scoop.
Ringo in protecting the Islington metropolitan elite shocker.
Ringo in protecting the Islington metropolitan elite shocker.
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What I got from the press conference was this.
The Londoncentric remoaner media have portrayed Cummings as the sinister puppet master, the dark machiavellian coniver.
The Pestons of this world by , effectively , forcing him to make this statement. He's been able to be seen as a calm, quietly spoken and polite father who acted on instinct to keep his family out of harm's way. Being able to present himself as such rather than the brooding devil incarnate they love to portray. Means the lefty remoaner media have only gone and shot their own fox!
The Londoncentric remoaner media have portrayed Cummings as the sinister puppet master, the dark machiavellian coniver.
The Pestons of this world by , effectively , forcing him to make this statement. He's been able to be seen as a calm, quietly spoken and polite father who acted on instinct to keep his family out of harm's way. Being able to present himself as such rather than the brooding devil incarnate they love to portray. Means the lefty remoaner media have only gone and shot their own fox!
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Dominic Cummings victory medals on the table -
EU referendum
General election
Londoncentric remoaner media
EU referendum
General election
Londoncentric remoaner media
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You haven't managed to get back to me on this Joey but did you notice that Durham police put out yet another "clarification" of their communications with the Cummings family. It's at least their 3rd attempt that I know of. Apparently they put it out at 4.01pm but unfortunately for them the Cummings press conf. was delayed so it got a bit more attention than they would have hoped!
It basically re-confirms that my interpretation was correct and they misled us with their first effort.
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It’s a take, I’ll give you that, Ringo.
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You know what, he nearly had me convinced but you’ve reminded me that he’s liked by people like you so now I think I’m back to my default position that he’s a slimey gitRingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 6:44 pmWhat I got from the press conference was this.
The Londoncentric remoaner media have portrayed Cummings as the sinister puppet master, the dark machiavellian coniver.
The Pestons of this world by , effectively , forcing him to make this statement. He's been able to be seen as a calm, quietly spoken and polite father who acted on instinct to keep his family out of harm's way. Being able to present himself as such rather than the brooding devil incarnate they love to portray. Means the lefty remoaner media have only gone and shot their own fox!
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Yes I feel that your last paragraph nicely sums up a problem with his story.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 6:34 pmStill dont understand why this was suddenly a problem because of the illness.
Sounds like an excuse to me but if true and it was that serious then Im sure he's reported it to the police who give a reference every time a report of this nature.
Until we say some evidence beyond it being just his say so then I dont see this as a valid reason for travelling to Durham. I fully expect you to agree with me on this this cos whenever theres been a critical story of the govt you've demanded unequivocal proof and have not been prepared to simply take someones word (especially when you deem them to have a bias or a conflict of interest)
Anyway the main point to my post was to try and understand why this suddenly became an issue when he was actually going to be spending all his time in the home and not be leaving his wife and child alone. Not sure you've tried but you definitely havn't helped me understand this logic so leave it there
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Labour as bad as the Torys
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It's like they've only just discovered this internet thing.
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So family ended up in a hospital 260miles from his home.
Way to adhere to lockdown and use your judgement to keep both your family and the public safe.
Way to adhere to lockdown and use your judgement to keep both your family and the public safe.
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Does anyone know if Cummings has hosted dinner parties in his metropolitan London centric Islington bubble?
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I think the remainers should watch that again. Look beyond the stuttering and your own blind hatred of him. That was a masterful performance. The media wanted one thing from all of that. An appology. Once they had that they could tear him in pieces and have his head on a stake. Instead he highlighted the lies they have been telling. Condemned them for whipping the public into a frenzy and portrayed himself as a loving family man.
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Too much umming and erring for me. I thought it looked too much like the story fitting the dateline. Chief aide wasn’t tested?? Absolutely no proof that any of them had COVID. Thought the journos were poor - does his wife drive and how and why did he secure child care once they returned to London. Also surprised that he couldn’t remember if he’d filled up on the return journey - doubt he often drives that far and he’s had all weekend to retrace his steps. Telecon with Bojo was also fishy - neither can remember what was said - strange telephone call if you ask me. Boils down to Oxford boys sticking together.
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And even you must agree that in Dominic Cummings we have someone who has absolutely no sympathy whatsoever in the suffering and hardship that many families have had to put up with for weeks. He basically stuck two fingers up to all those families who weren't allowed to go to funerals or care homes.Damo wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 7:04 pmI think the remainers should watch that again. Look beyond the stuttering and your own blind hatred of him. That was a masterful performance. The media wanted one thing from all of that. An appology. Once they had that they could tear him in pieces and have his head on a stake. Instead he highlighted the lies they have been telling. Condemned them for whipping the public into a frenzy and portrayed himself as a loving family man.
Heartless wouldn't do him justice!
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Oh I agree wholeheartedly.Spijed wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 7:11 pmAnd even you must agree that in Dominic Cummings we have someone who has absolutely no sympathy whatsoever in the suffering and hardship that many families have had to put up with for weeks. He basically stuck two fingers up to all those families who weren't allowed to go to funerals or care homes.
Heartless wouldn't do him justice!
He was lying through his teeth no doubt.
That was still a great performance
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