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Re: Covid-19

Post by ksrclaret » Mon May 25, 2020 5:50 pm

Damo wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 5:49 pm
You should post that joke more often.
It's really funny
What time do you finish tonight?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Spijed » Mon May 25, 2020 5:51 pm

If he claims to be a good parent why would he drive with poor eyesight?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Paul Waine » Mon May 25, 2020 5:51 pm

Grumps wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 5:14 pm
I was with him, till the bizzare story of the trip to the castle

Does his wife not drive? Plus it doesn't fit the guidelines in any way.
Maybe that is the case, Grumps. I know a number of people who live in London who choose not to drive long distances. It was a little question I was waiting for one of the journos to ask - but none did. However, I'd hazard a guess if the same question was asked of some of the journos, it wouldn't surprise me if they, or someone close to them, was also a "no motorways" driver. That's what easy access to public transport does for a lot of Londoners.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by conyoviejo » Mon May 25, 2020 5:52 pm

Spijed wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 5:51 pm
If he claims to be a good parent why would he drive with poor eyesight?
And with his wife and kids in the car as well. :?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by NewClaret » Mon May 25, 2020 5:54 pm

Swizzlestick wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 5:40 pm
His home was under that much threat, nobody noticed he and his family weren’t there for two weeks.
They knew. They’ve known this for ages. As one of the questioners said “we’ve been asking where you are at the government briefing for weeks”.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon May 25, 2020 5:56 pm

One thing that doesn't make sense to me is how the concern about people attacking his property was relevant.

He was working 16 hour days before the illness with his wife and child alone at home so what changed to make it a valid reason to go and live in another property.

The illness is irreverent as they were in that situation regardless so are we saying that anybody in the public eye who feels under threat can just up sticks and drive across the country to another home

If Cummings felt that due to his position working for this govt that his family and home were under threat then this should have been discussed with govt security who im sure could have assessed the risk and offered protection if deemed necessary

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Re: Covid-19

Post by NewClaret » Mon May 25, 2020 5:57 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 5:17 pm
That’s how I feel too, I’m feeling very conflicted by this. Yesterday I was so bloody angry as I haven’t seen my kids or my parents in over 2+ months and I felt betrayed; then his explanation including detail we didn’t know about such as the threat he felt at home in London seemed plausible and although still breaking the rules was something I could relate to; and now he’s undone all the humility and is the arrogant cock that I think we all know he is.
No issues him travelling to a safe place where he had access to childcare if both became incapacitated. Do have an issue with the 25m drive, whatever the reasons. He should have apologised unreservedly for that.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by aggi » Mon May 25, 2020 6:01 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 4:25 pm
They're all hypocrites and that's why party allegiance means nothing to me,however for a cabinet minister to flout his own government's guidance should have been a demotion offence at least,how can anybody take them seriously anymore when they wilfully ignore their own advice.

A link from the Beeb about how other families have had to abide by the rules during this crisis shows why people are irate at how their own government have behaved https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52798032

Stories like theirs brings home the reality of how much the lockdown has affected people in various ways,but they've knuckled down and got on with it,as have millions of other citizens,clearly some of the higher echelons feel they're above the laws and rules which the rest of us have to abide by.

In my own experience I've had to forgo a family funeral as numbers were limited and naturally immediate family were prioritised,but that's just the price we have to pay to ensure this virus doesn't wreck further havoc on society.

The actions of Cummings,Jenrick and others puts 2 fingers up to the vast majority who've obeyed the rules set out,that's why there's so much anger throughout the country.
With respect tiger76, those people are stupid.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Silkyskills1 » Mon May 25, 2020 6:01 pm

A weak, insipid, coward running the country. Oh and a liar.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Mon May 25, 2020 6:02 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 5:51 pm
Maybe that is the case, Grumps. I know a number of people who live in London who choose not to drive long distances. It was a little question I was waiting for one of the journos to ask - but none did. However, I'd hazard a guess if the same question was asked of some of the journos, it wouldn't surprise me if they, or someone close to them, was also a "no motorways" driver. That's what easy access to public transport does for a lot of Londoners.
Absolutely amazed nobody asked the question, shows how bad they really are.
None of them seem to have taken the 30secs it took me to find the bit about exemptions around children, I think I first posted the link on here on Saturday.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Paul Waine » Mon May 25, 2020 6:02 pm

Swizzlestick wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 5:40 pm
His home was under that much threat, nobody noticed he and his family weren’t there for two weeks.
Isn't that simply a reflection on the people who gather outside his house, whoever they are?

Though, to be fair, I think there were reports in media asking "where's Dom?" when he hadn't been seen in London in early April.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by LeadBelly » Mon May 25, 2020 6:03 pm

I have nothing particularly against Cummings but his Barnard Castle trip story is risible.

Maybe Kyle Walker should've said he was just checking his eyesight when he had the "models" round his place.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Swizzlestick » Mon May 25, 2020 6:03 pm

The return to Number 10 and the drive to the castle are clear breaches of lockdown regulations and he should’ve, at the bare minimum, apologised for them.

The fact he didn’t says a lot about him and this government.

This now makes a mockery of any future public health guidance from the government. It’s severely diluted the message, at a crucial juncture as we look to ease up the lockdown. The fact the government haven’t acted on that is actually quite astonishing.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Mon May 25, 2020 6:04 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 5:57 pm
No issues him travelling to a safe place where he had access to childcare if both became incapacitated. Do have an issue with the 25m drive, whatever the reasons. He should have apologised unreservedly for that.
Agree with all of that. One was within the rules, the other wasn't. Just seems to me a poor excuse from someone who has been caught out, and that's the best he could come up with.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Paul Waine » Mon May 25, 2020 6:04 pm

Grumps wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 6:02 pm
Absolutely amazed nobody asked the question, shows how bad they really are.
None of them seem to have taken the 30secs it took me to find the bit about exemptions around children, I think I first posted the link on here on Saturday.
Journos were too focused on "get Dom" rather than "can we report facts" to our readers/listeners/viewers. :(

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Re: Covid-19

Post by NewClaret » Mon May 25, 2020 6:06 pm

Grumps wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 5:14 pm
I was with him, till the bizzare story of the trip to the castle

Does his wife not drive? Plus it doesn't fit the guidelines in any way.
All went a bit like the Harry Enfield sketch where the Tory politician does the statement at the gates of his country estate :lol: :lol:

Should have done a “we were out buying groceries when we took a wrong turn and accidentally happened on a beauty spot. I jumped out of the car to ask the bluebells for directions home, while my wife ushered away onlookers. Soon we were back on our way”.

Whilst it sounds as though he didn’t take significant risks, he should have apologised unreservedly. He was clearly wrong.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by ksrclaret » Mon May 25, 2020 6:07 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 6:04 pm
Journos were too focused on "get Dom" rather than "can we report facts" to our readers/listeners/viewers. :(
Think he got himself to be honest. The onus was on him to report the facts, the journos were there to ask the questions.

Wasn't that why the whole thing was set up in the first place? So he could report some 'facts'?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Paul Waine » Mon May 25, 2020 6:10 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 5:56 pm
One thing that doesn't make sense to me is how the concern about people attacking his property was relevant.

He was working 16 hour days before the illness with his wife and child alone at home so what changed to make it a valid reason to go and live in another property.

The illness is irreverent as they were in that situation regardless so are we saying that anybody in the public eye who feels under threat can just up sticks and drive across the country to another home

If Cummings felt that due to his position working for this govt that his family and home were under threat then this should have been discussed with govt security who im sure could have assessed the risk and offered protection if deemed necessary
Should we accept that people in public eye may be under threat in their homes, DA?

You may, of course, have identified why his father spoke with the police when DC and family arrived at the vacant property on his parent's farm. Always a good idea not to advertise where you are if there is the possibility of others creating threats.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon May 25, 2020 6:10 pm

I feel sorry for that Professor who lost his job for shagging during the lockdown. He should've just said he was worried his penis had stopped working and he wanted to double check. 🍆💦
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Paul Waine » Mon May 25, 2020 6:12 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 6:07 pm
Think he got himself to be honest. The onus was on him to report the facts, the journos were there to ask the questions.

Wasn't that why the whole thing was set up in the first place? So he could report some 'facts'?
What part of DC's report do you have issues with ksr?

Follow-up question: what did you think of the journos questions?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by keith1879 » Mon May 25, 2020 6:12 pm

Pimlico_Claret wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 5:18 pm
I can't remember stopping to fill up with petrol. FFS, give up now man, you are becoming a laughing stock.
He lost me properly there as well.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Zlatan » Mon May 25, 2020 6:13 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 6:10 pm
I feel sorry for that Professor who lost his job for shagging during the lockdown. He should've just said he was worried his penis had stopped working and he wanted to double check. 🍆💦
Now that he’s wanking himself to oblivion his eyesight will deteriorate too...

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon May 25, 2020 6:14 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 6:10 pm
Should we accept that people in public eye may be under threat in their homes, DA?

You may, of course, have identified why his father spoke with the police when DC and family arrived at the vacant property on his parent's farm. Always a good idea not to advertise where you are if there is the possibility of others creating threats.
Yes I acknowledged that but I dont see its relation to them being ill.

Like I said govt have security to support by issues like that and had they recommended Cummings go to a unknown property in Durham then regardless of whether they were sick or not they would have been no question to answer

Do you feel that anyone who feels a threat at their home can just break lockdown rules and go somewhere else?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by ksrclaret » Mon May 25, 2020 6:21 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 6:12 pm
What part of DC's report do you have issues with ksr?

Follow-up question: what did you think of the journos questions?
The drive to Barnard Castle from Durham on the account he needed to check to his eyesight would hold up.

I thought the journos questions were pretty standard given the situation, to be honest. I can accept that some made it too obvious they don't like him, but I'm not sure what else in terms of questioning you'd expect from them.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Paul Waine » Mon May 25, 2020 6:22 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 6:14 pm

Do you feel that anyone who feels a threat at their home can just break lockdown rules and go somewhere else?
I know it's a different situation, I'm sure we are all familiar with the domestic abuse advice. I'd expect that that situation is also an exception to the "stay at home" rules.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Paul Waine » Mon May 25, 2020 6:26 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 6:21 pm
The drive to Barnard Castle from Durham on the account he needed to check to his eyesight would hold up.

I thought the journos questions were pretty standard given the situation, to be honest. I can accept that some made it too obvious they don't like him, but I'm not sure what else in terms of questioning you'd expect from them.
We know some of the journos, already. Others were new to me. I could have done with "X from Y media" type of introduction. (We only got the "X").

It would have been interesting if any one of the journos had asked about the quality of the reports by their colleagues. Which of today's journos "broke" the story in the Mirror and Guardian, were they there?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon May 25, 2020 6:34 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 6:22 pm
I know it's a different situation, I'm sure we are all familiar with the domestic abuse advice. I'd expect that that situation is also an exception to the "stay at home" rules.
Still dont understand why this was suddenly a problem because of the illness.

Sounds like an excuse to me but if true and it was that serious then Im sure he's reported it to the police who give a reference every time a report of this nature.

Until we say some evidence beyond it being just his say so then I dont see this as a valid reason for travelling to Durham. I fully expect you to agree with me on this this cos whenever theres been a critical story of the govt you've demanded unequivocal proof and have not been prepared to simply take someones word (especially when you deem them to have a bias or a conflict of interest)

Anyway the main point to my post was to try and understand why this suddenly became an issue when he was actually going to be spending all his time in the home and not be leaving his wife and child alone. Not sure you've tried but you definitely havn't helped me understand this logic so leave it there

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Re: Covid-19

Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon May 25, 2020 6:35 pm

Tomorrow's Guardian scoop.

Man in "Protecting my family" shocker!

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Billy Balfour » Mon May 25, 2020 6:38 pm

Weston-Super-Mare hospital has closed to new patients after it became overwhelmed with coronavirus patients.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Swizzlestick » Mon May 25, 2020 6:40 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 6:35 pm
Tomorrow's Guardian scoop.

Man in "Protecting my family" shocker!
Protecting his family by going on a 60 mile test drive to check his eyesight.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Zlatan » Mon May 25, 2020 6:41 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 6:38 pm
Weston-Super-Mare hospital has closed to new patients after it became overwhelmed with coronavirus patients.
Yeah but DomCum is more important...

...ahh the penny drops now :(

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon May 25, 2020 6:43 pm

For those really keen to know if his wife could drive then according to Mary Wakefield the answer is yes

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Re: Covid-19

Post by aggi » Mon May 25, 2020 6:44 pm

Today's UTC scoop.

Ringo in protecting the Islington metropolitan elite shocker.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon May 25, 2020 6:44 pm

What I got from the press conference was this.

The Londoncentric remoaner media have portrayed Cummings as the sinister puppet master, the dark machiavellian coniver.

The Pestons of this world by , effectively , forcing him to make this statement. He's been able to be seen as a calm, quietly spoken and polite father who acted on instinct to keep his family out of harm's way. Being able to present himself as such rather than the brooding devil incarnate they love to portray. Means the lefty remoaner media have only gone and shot their own fox!

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Re: Covid-19

Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon May 25, 2020 6:47 pm

Dominic Cummings victory medals on the table -

EU referendum

General election

Londoncentric remoaner media

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Re: Covid-19

Post by android » Mon May 25, 2020 6:47 pm

joey13 wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 10:12 pm
It was factually wrong , but you knew that didn’t you :lol:
You haven't managed to get back to me on this Joey but did you notice that Durham police put out yet another "clarification" of their communications with the Cummings family. It's at least their 3rd attempt that I know of. Apparently they put it out at 4.01pm but unfortunately for them the Cummings press conf. was delayed so it got a bit more attention than they would have hoped!

It basically re-confirms that my interpretation was correct and they misled us with their first effort.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Swizzlestick » Mon May 25, 2020 6:47 pm

It’s a take, I’ll give you that, Ringo. 🤣

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Zlatan » Mon May 25, 2020 6:47 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 6:44 pm
What I got from the press conference was this.

The Londoncentric remoaner media have portrayed Cummings as the sinister puppet master, the dark machiavellian coniver.

The Pestons of this world by , effectively , forcing him to make this statement. He's been able to be seen as a calm, quietly spoken and polite father who acted on instinct to keep his family out of harm's way. Being able to present himself as such rather than the brooding devil incarnate they love to portray. Means the lefty remoaner media have only gone and shot their own fox!
You know what, he nearly had me convinced but you’ve reminded me that he’s liked by people like you so now I think I’m back to my default position that he’s a slimey git

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Re: Covid-19

Post by keith1879 » Mon May 25, 2020 6:49 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 6:34 pm
Still dont understand why this was suddenly a problem because of the illness.

Sounds like an excuse to me but if true and it was that serious then Im sure he's reported it to the police who give a reference every time a report of this nature.

Until we say some evidence beyond it being just his say so then I dont see this as a valid reason for travelling to Durham. I fully expect you to agree with me on this this cos whenever theres been a critical story of the govt you've demanded unequivocal proof and have not been prepared to simply take someones word (especially when you deem them to have a bias or a conflict of interest)

Anyway the main point to my post was to try and understand why this suddenly became an issue when he was actually going to be spending all his time in the home and not be leaving his wife and child alone. Not sure you've tried but you definitely havn't helped me understand this logic so leave it there
Yes I feel that your last paragraph nicely sums up a problem with his story.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon May 25, 2020 6:51 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 6:47 pm
You know what, he nearly had me convinced but you’ve reminded me that he’s liked by people like you so now I think I’m back to my default position that he’s a slimey git
Take whatever position you like.

It ain't gonna resuscitate that fox!

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon May 25, 2020 7:00 pm

Labour as bad as the Torys

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Re: Covid-19

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Re: Covid-19

Post by aggi » Mon May 25, 2020 7:01 pm

It's like they've only just discovered this internet thing.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by CombatClaret » Mon May 25, 2020 7:01 pm

So family ended up in a hospital 260miles from his home.

Way to adhere to lockdown and use your judgement to keep both your family and the public safe.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by ksrclaret » Mon May 25, 2020 7:03 pm

Does anyone know if Cummings has hosted dinner parties in his metropolitan London centric Islington bubble?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Damo » Mon May 25, 2020 7:04 pm

I think the remainers should watch that again. Look beyond the stuttering and your own blind hatred of him. That was a masterful performance. The media wanted one thing from all of that. An appology. Once they had that they could tear him in pieces and have his head on a stake. Instead he highlighted the lies they have been telling. Condemned them for whipping the public into a frenzy and portrayed himself as a loving family man.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by jackmiggins » Mon May 25, 2020 7:08 pm

Too much umming and erring for me. I thought it looked too much like the story fitting the dateline. Chief aide wasn’t tested?? Absolutely no proof that any of them had COVID. Thought the journos were poor - does his wife drive and how and why did he secure child care once they returned to London. Also surprised that he couldn’t remember if he’d filled up on the return journey - doubt he often drives that far and he’s had all weekend to retrace his steps. Telecon with Bojo was also fishy - neither can remember what was said - strange telephone call if you ask me. Boils down to Oxford boys sticking together.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Spijed » Mon May 25, 2020 7:11 pm

Damo wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 7:04 pm
I think the remainers should watch that again. Look beyond the stuttering and your own blind hatred of him. That was a masterful performance. The media wanted one thing from all of that. An appology. Once they had that they could tear him in pieces and have his head on a stake. Instead he highlighted the lies they have been telling. Condemned them for whipping the public into a frenzy and portrayed himself as a loving family man.
And even you must agree that in Dominic Cummings we have someone who has absolutely no sympathy whatsoever in the suffering and hardship that many families have had to put up with for weeks. He basically stuck two fingers up to all those families who weren't allowed to go to funerals or care homes.

Heartless wouldn't do him justice!
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lord Beamish » Mon May 25, 2020 7:14 pm

He’s holed below the waterline.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Damo » Mon May 25, 2020 7:15 pm

Spijed wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 7:11 pm
And even you must agree that in Dominic Cummings we have someone who has absolutely no sympathy whatsoever in the suffering and hardship that many families have had to put up with for weeks. He basically stuck two fingers up to all those families who weren't allowed to go to funerals or care homes.

Heartless wouldn't do him justice!
Oh I agree wholeheartedly.
He was lying through his teeth no doubt.
That was still a great performance
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