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Re: Covid-19

Post by jackmiggins » Wed May 27, 2020 4:02 am

Given that DC is regarded as a highly intelligent, analytical person, who will have been in full possession of the probabilities and risks associated with the virus, is it likely that he would have panicked that both he and his wife would be incapacitated at the same time? Is it likely that he would abandon his post without speaking to his boss or his staff? Is it likely that the first communication would be a phone call to his boss a few days later, whilst he was extremely ill in hospital?
I could go on, but you hopefully get the general drift. My conclusion, based on his press conference and his particularly stuttering performance (remember he is supposedly exceptionally media savvy)is that the whole story is a charade. Called an ambulance when his four year old had vomited and yet he was bedridden and extremely poorly for several days???

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Re: Covid-19

Post by jackmiggins » Wed May 27, 2020 6:00 am

Just watched a report on the young Indian lady, cycling her Ill father home for seven days. Puts this rubbish into perspective.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed May 27, 2020 8:30 am

jackmiggins wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 4:00 am
Hasn't been missed at all - however, the happy holiday makers from the cheap March excursions don't like it to be mentioned.

Who are these people you are speaking about ?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Wed May 27, 2020 9:17 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 8:30 am
Who are these people you are speaking about ?
There aren't any, it's just in muggins imagination.
He leaves it for a bit, then brings it up in unrelated posts, and if someone replies to him they get accused of bullying, which is why I've blocked him.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed May 27, 2020 11:12 am

Another professor bringing good news

The lack of a resurgence in #COVID19 cases following the easing of lockdowns in several countries is intriguing. I'll take Switzerland as an example. The lockdown ended on May 11 (schools/restaurants opened). Yet this did not translate in any increase in new cases so far.
(1/6) https://t.co/gQC9yd7lPP

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Re: Covid-19

Post by NottsClaret » Wed May 27, 2020 11:31 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 11:12 am
Another professor bringing good news

The lack of a resurgence in #COVID19 cases following the easing of lockdowns in several countries is intriguing. I'll take Switzerland as an example. The lockdown ended on May 11 (schools/restaurants opened). Yet this did not translate in any increase in new cases so far.
(1/6) https://t.co/gQC9yd7lPP
Yes, away from the all the noise, there does seem to be mounting evidence that as opposed to a feared 'second wave' the lockdown easing in some European countries, notably Germany, has only seen further reductions in infections and deaths.

Although they didn't suffer anything like as much as we did originally, they started opening shops and schools when their infection rate was similar to ours (finally) is.

Overall, as long as we don't all behave like the 'elite' I reckon we'll be looking at an even more positive picture in another month or so. Maybe this isn't armageddon after all.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Wed May 27, 2020 11:53 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 8:09 pm
Maybe the WHO are keeping warnings up to attract more funding? Who knows? Maybe different doctors have different opinions.

There's plenty of positive news about but the mainstream media keep ignoring it.
Good news doesn't generate sales and clicks alas.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Wed May 27, 2020 11:54 am

NottsClaret wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 11:31 am
Yes, away from the all the noise, there does seem to be mounting evidence that as opposed to a feared 'second wave' the lockdown easing in some European countries, notably Germany, has only seen further reductions in infections and deaths.

Although they didn't suffer anything like as much as we did originally, they started opening shops and schools when their infection rate was similar to ours (finally) is.

Overall, as long as we don't all behave like the 'elite' I reckon we'll be looking at an even more positive picture in another month or so. Maybe this isn't armageddon after all.
We don't need the services of Bruce Willis then. ;)

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Re: Covid-19

Post by jackmiggins » Wed May 27, 2020 12:05 pm

Grumps wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 9:17 am
There aren't any, it's just in muggins imagination.
He leaves it for a bit, then brings it up in unrelated posts, and if someone replies to him they get accused of bullying, which is why I've blocked him.
Very strange that you seem to pop up every time I post??? I must have really hit a nerve.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed May 27, 2020 12:20 pm

jackmiggins wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 12:05 pm
Very strange that you seem to pop up every time I post??? I must have really hit a nerve.
These people who were away in March, when do you think they booked it ?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Wed May 27, 2020 12:27 pm

Not enough positive news on this thread so i'll have to remedy that.

The number of people dying with coronavirus in Scotland has fallen for a fourth consecutive week.

Figures released by National Records of Scotland (NRS) showed there had been 230 deaths in the week ending 24 May.

This was 105 fewer than the previous week, and brings the total number of deaths since the outbreak began to 3,779.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is expected to slightly ease the country's lockdown restrictions on Thursday.

The NRS figures showed that 46% of the 3,779 deaths so far have happened in care homes, while 47% were in hospitals and 7% were at home.

Care homes continued to account for the majority of deaths recorded last week - 54% - but the percentage has been falling in recent weeks from a high of 60% four weeks ago.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Wed May 27, 2020 12:33 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 12:27 pm
Not enough positive news on this thread so i'll have to remedy that.

The number of people dying with coronavirus in Scotland has fallen for a fourth consecutive week.

Figures released by National Records of Scotland (NRS) showed there had been 230 deaths in the week ending 24 May.

This was 105 fewer than the previous week, and brings the total number of deaths since the outbreak began to 3,779.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is expected to slightly ease the country's lockdown restrictions on Thursday.

The NRS figures showed that 46% of the 3,779 deaths so far have happened in care homes, while 47% were in hospitals and 7% were at home.

Care homes continued to account for the majority of deaths recorded last week - 54% - but the percentage has been falling in recent weeks from a high of 60% four weeks ago.
Thanks tiger

It does seem that once we can get the care home issue sorted we should see figures fall to a number where more easing can take place.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Wed May 27, 2020 12:33 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 12:20 pm
These people who were away in March, when do you think they booked it ?
Normally about 10 months before :lol:

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Wed May 27, 2020 12:38 pm

Grumps wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 12:33 pm
Thanks tiger

It does seem that once we can get the care home issue sorted we should see figures fall to a number where more easing can take place.
Community transmissions are slowing to a trickle now,and most hospitals have plenty of spare capacity,so yes it's care homes that need attention now,that's where the epicentre still remains hence why about half of the recorded deaths are still happening in care homes,tackle that and we'll be a long way to suppressing the virus to manageable levels. And we can helpfully try and start getting the economy going again.it'll be slow steps initially but we've got to start somewhere.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by jackmiggins » Wed May 27, 2020 12:40 pm

Many booked because the prices dropped drastically. I cancelled my holiday (booked last year) because I perceived the risks of being enclosed in an aircraft as too great.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by jackmiggins » Wed May 27, 2020 12:42 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 12:38 pm
Community transmissions are slowing to a trickle now,and most hospitals have plenty of spare capacity,so yes it's care homes that need attention now,that's where the epicentre still remains hence why about half of the recorded deaths are still happening in care homes,tackle that and we'll be a long way to suppressing the virus to manageable levels. And we can helpfully try and start getting the economy going again.it'll be slow steps initially but we've got to start somewhere.
The deaths will drop - probably in line with the reduced residential occupancy.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Wed May 27, 2020 12:47 pm

Well done to NZ.

New Zealand has no virus cases in hospital

The nation - hailed as a virus success - discharged its last virus patient from hospital last night, meaning it had no virus patients in wards for the first time in months.

It also reported no new cases for a fifth consecutive day. There are only about 1,500 reported case in total.

More than 420,000 people have also downloaded the nation's tracing app.

Officials are confident that they've stopped community transmission - but say their concerns now lie with their borders when they might reopen in coming months.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by jackmiggins » Wed May 27, 2020 12:59 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 12:47 pm
Well done to NZ.

New Zealand has no virus cases in hospital

The nation - hailed as a virus success - discharged its last virus patient from hospital last night, meaning it had no virus patients in wards for the first time in months.

It also reported no new cases for a fifth consecutive day. There are only about 1,500 reported case in total.

More than 420,000 people have also downloaded the nation's tracing app.

Officials are confident that they've stopped community transmission - but say their concerns now lie with their borders when they might reopen in coming months.
Exactly - their immediate actions were what I would have hoped to expect here.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed May 27, 2020 1:01 pm

jackmiggins wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 12:40 pm
Many booked because the prices dropped drastically. I cancelled my holiday (booked last year) because I perceived the risks of being enclosed in an aircraft as too great.

When did you cancel and when were you due to go ?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Wed May 27, 2020 1:03 pm

jackmiggins wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 12:40 pm
Many booked because the prices dropped drastically. I cancelled my holiday (booked last year) because I perceived the risks of being enclosed in an aircraft as too great.
I thought it was Scotland you cancelled?

I've seen Cheltenham races blamed

I've seen Liverpools champions league game blamed

I've seen open borders blamed

But other than in your mind have I seen people who booked late holidays in March blamed... Please can you point us all in the direction of that evidence

By the way, have you seen the reports that due to air filtering, aircraft cabins are actually safer than operating theatres.... Airports might be a different argument.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by ksrclaret » Wed May 27, 2020 1:06 pm

New Zealand have been remarkable in dealing with this.

Jacinda Ardern is a phenomenal leader. Our lot aren't fit to polish her heels.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by jackmiggins » Wed May 27, 2020 1:21 pm

Grumps wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 1:03 pm
I thought it was Scotland you cancelled?

I've seen Cheltenham races blamed

I've seen Liverpools champions league game blamed

I've seen open borders blamed

But other than in your mind have I seen people who booked late holidays in March blamed... Please can you point us all in the direction of that evidence

By the way, have you seen the reports that due to air filtering, aircraft cabins are actually safer than operating theatres.... Airports might be a different argument.
It was Ardnarmurchan and I was concerned for my family’s safety and the prospect of transferring the virus there. As for airplane filters - yes.....sure. Transference of virus/bugs has been going on for 50 years, but they’ve sorted this out in a few weeks???
As for evidence of late bookings - I know four families who opted for these - they all had an awful time as the resorts had basically shut.
Couldn’t care less about your holiday, or any of that - it’s been done and move on. Do get miffed when some ‘wonder why’ we’re in such an awful situation, when some very simple options could have been followed ie shut your borders.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by dsr » Wed May 27, 2020 1:29 pm

jackmiggins wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 12:42 pm
The deaths will drop - probably in line with the reduced residential occupancy.
They've dropped by a lot more than that.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by jackmiggins » Wed May 27, 2020 1:36 pm

dsr wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 1:29 pm
They've dropped by a lot more than that.
Thankfully - shouldn’t have said ‘in line with’, as some will survive.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Hapag Lloyd » Wed May 27, 2020 1:37 pm

New Zealand do seem to have dealt with the virus exceptionally well but it has to be noted that they have a population density of about 46 people per square mile whereas in England it is well over 700 people for the same area.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Wed May 27, 2020 1:46 pm

jackmiggins wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 1:21 pm
It was Ardnarmurchan and I was concerned for my family’s safety and the prospect of transferring the virus there. As for airplane filters - yes.....sure. Transference of virus/bugs has been going on for 50 years, but they’ve sorted this out in a few weeks???
As for evidence of late bookings - I know four families who opted for these - they all had an awful time as the resorts had basically shut.
Couldn’t care less about your holiday, or any of that - it’s been done and move on. Do get miffed when some ‘wonder why’ we’re in such an awful situation, when some very simple options could have been followed ie shut your borders.
So, you were flying to Scotland?

I've never mentioned my holiday in this discussion.

It could well have helped closing borders, but created a load of other problems, and those stopped wouldn't have been your made up March travellers in any case

Like you say, move on. Good advice, hopefully you'll follow your own advice.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Wed May 27, 2020 1:52 pm

Hapag Lloyd wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 1:37 pm
New Zealand do seem to have dealt with the virus exceptionally well but it has to be noted that they have a population density of about 46 people per square mile whereas in England it is well over 700 people for the same area.
Oh! there's no doubt New Zealand has natural advantages to help them combat such outbreaks,but what can't be denied is they've utilised those advantages to the maximum effect. And their swift reactions have played a major part in not allowing the virus to gain a foothold in the community,hence why their death rates are incredibly low.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by jackmiggins » Wed May 27, 2020 2:04 pm

Grumps wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 1:46 pm
So, you were flying to Scotland?

I've never mentioned my holiday in this discussion.

It could well have helped closing borders, but created a load of other problems, and those stopped wouldn't have been your made up March travellers in any case

Like you say, move on. Good advice, hopefully you'll follow your own advice.
Precisely - I wasn’t even flying, but cancelled anyway, as it’s still transferring the virus. You did indicate in you myriad of earlier posts that your holiday was abroad. If you didn’t fly, you must have sailed - perhaps you rowed?
Either way, please stop jumping on any of my posts with your sorry excuses - very tiresome - you say you’ve blocked me - can you try double blocking me, as it doesn’t seem to have worked (

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Wed May 27, 2020 2:10 pm

jackmiggins wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 2:04 pm
Precisely - I wasn’t even flying, but cancelled anyway, as it’s still transferring the virus. You did indicate in you myriad of earlier posts that your holiday was abroad. If you didn’t fly, you must have sailed - perhaps you rowed?
Either way, please stop jumping on any of my posts with your sorry excuses - very tiresome - you say you’ve blocked me - can you try double blocking me, as it doesn’t seem to have worked (
You posted today, at 1240, that you cancelled your holiday for fear of flying

Now you're saying you weren't even flying?????????

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Wed May 27, 2020 2:11 pm

This guy's tale has to be shared,hope he makes a full recovery in time,but it illustrates how dangerous this virus can be for some.

Dad given 1% chance of coronavirus survival makes miracle recovery after 50 days on ventilatorhttps://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-s ... 6764.html

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Damo » Wed May 27, 2020 2:14 pm

Hapag Lloyd wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 1:37 pm
New Zealand do seem to have dealt with the virus exceptionally well but it has to be noted that they have a population density of about 46 people per square mile whereas in England it is well over 700 people for the same area.
Not to mention not being part of a union that allows free movement of people, and being located thousands of miles away from anywhere with a covid19 problem

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Re: Covid-19

Post by jackmiggins » Wed May 27, 2020 2:16 pm

Perceived the risk - to highlight the most common form of holiday travel. Never been frightened of flying. Answered all of your petty questions - now stop detracting from the main points of the discussion.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Wed May 27, 2020 2:30 pm

jackmiggins wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 2:16 pm
Perceived the risk - to highlight the most common form of holiday travel. Never been frightened of flying. Answered all of your petty questions - now stop detracting from the main points of the discussion.
I think you've just had your very own Dominic Cummings moment, found to be telling porkies about a trip, then make up some bizzare tale. How's your eyesight?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Wed May 27, 2020 2:32 pm

jackmiggins wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 12:40 pm
Many booked because the prices dropped drastically. I cancelled my holiday (booked last year) because I perceived the risks of being enclosed in an aircraft as too great.
But he wasn't flying :lol: :lol:

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Re: Covid-19

Post by FactualFrank » Wed May 27, 2020 2:36 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 2:11 pm
This guy's tale has to be shared,hope he makes a full recovery in time,but it illustrates how dangerous this virus can be for some.

Dad given 1% chance of coronavirus survival makes miracle recovery after 50 days on ventilatorhttps://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-s ... 6764.html
Wow, that's a hell of along time to be on a ventilator. And the bit about his family writing letters to say goodbye, and preparing his funeral. Terrible. Like you say, hope he makes a complete recovery.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by joey13 » Wed May 27, 2020 3:15 pm

How many days before the second wave begins ? , so many following their instincts now it’s only a matter of time

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Re: Covid-19

Post by jackmiggins » Wed May 27, 2020 3:22 pm

Grumps wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 2:30 pm
I think you've just had your very own Dominic Cummings moment, found to be telling porkies about a trip, then make up some bizzare tale. How's your eyesight?
Complete waste of my time posting on here. You have very serious problems. You have completely ignored my actual post - why did I bother? Happy Trolling.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lord Beamish » Wed May 27, 2020 3:28 pm

jackmiggins wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 3:22 pm
Complete waste of my time posting on here. You have very serious problems. You have completely ignored my actual post - why did I bother? Happy Trolling.
This place is an absolute toilet at times. It’s why so many have either stopped posting altogether, or, like myself, only post occasionally.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Wed May 27, 2020 3:50 pm

joey13 wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 3:15 pm
How many days before the second wave begins ? , so many following their instincts now it’s only a matter of time
Depends whether people have brains or not

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Re: Covid-19

Post by joey13 » Wed May 27, 2020 4:34 pm

Grumps wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 3:50 pm
Depends whether people have brains or not
I was thinking Cummings was quite bright myself ,you obviously think different

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Re: Covid-19

Post by keith1879 » Wed May 27, 2020 4:37 pm

Anyone watching Boris in front of the committee? He really doesn't convince does he? (Not just talking about the Cummings thing).

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Wed May 27, 2020 4:40 pm

joey13 wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 4:34 pm
I was thinking Cummings was quite bright myself ,you obviously think different
I think he was very bright, he had a problem, read the guidelines, realised there was an answer.

If people don't have brains they'll go for picnics in the park, or mass gatherings on the beach, because they somehow think that would be Ok just because Cummings did what he did.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Wed May 27, 2020 4:42 pm

keith1879 wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 4:37 pm
Anyone watching Boris in front of the committee? He really doesn't convince does he? (Not just talking about the Cummings thing).
Not sure if it's the video link that makes it difficult, but he's not at his best

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Re: Covid-19

Post by TVC15 » Wed May 27, 2020 4:59 pm

Aye he’s bright as a button is Cummings.
He’s caused an almighty ****-storm for himself, his family and his boss and then he’s poured even more fuel on the fire by trying to be clever and face the media.
He’s now the laughing stock of the internet and social media with most of the country’s media following him and his wife....and no doubt his kid at some point.

Super intelligent - bordering on genius.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Wed May 27, 2020 5:12 pm

Good luck implementing this in the current climate.

PM hints at financial penalties for those who don't isolate

Clark now asks if it will be compulsory for someone to stay at home if they have come into contact with an infected person, under the new test-and-trace system.

Boris Johnson says staying at home in that situation would be good "not just for them but also good for the population".

Clark repeats his question.

"We wanted to make it clear that people must stay at home," the PM says.

Will it be the law or just advice, Clark wants to know.

"We will be asking people to stay at home - if they don't follow that advice, we will consider what sanctions may be necessary," says Johnson.

"By the police?"

"Whatever is appropriate," says the PM.

That's going to go down like a ton of sick if they try it,this is why they should have taken the public with them and not alienated them.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Wed May 27, 2020 5:20 pm

Just like quarantine after flights, it was never going to be policed

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Blackrod » Wed May 27, 2020 5:53 pm

Grumps wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 1:03 pm
I thought it was Scotland you cancelled?

I've seen Cheltenham races blamed

I've seen Liverpools champions league game blamed

I've seen open borders blamed

But other than in your mind have I seen people who booked late holidays in March blamed... Please can you point us all in the direction of that evidence

By the way, have you seen the reports that due to air filtering, aircraft cabins are actually safer than operating theatres.... Airports might be a different argument.
There are reports that Cheltenham caused a lot more cases. Should not have gone ahead imo

Borders should have shut early and there should have been /should be checks or proper quarantine in place when not

The Liverpool game shouldn’t have gone ahead.

Airline cabins are renowned for spreading bugs and I don’t fancy being in one right now.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Wed May 27, 2020 6:00 pm

Blackrod wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 5:53 pm
There are reports that Cheltenham caused a lot more cases. Should not have gone ahead imo

Borders should have shut early and there should have been /should be checks or proper quarantine in place when not

The Liverpool game shouldn’t have gone ahead.

Airline cabins are renowned for spreading bugs and I don’t fancy being in one right now.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/181 ... lanes/amp/

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Re: Covid-19

Post by martin_p » Wed May 27, 2020 6:08 pm

keith1879 wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 4:37 pm
Anyone watching Boris in front of the committee? He really doesn't convince does he? (Not just talking about the Cummings thing).
Why do you think he rarely does it!

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Blackrod » Wed May 27, 2020 6:17 pm

It’s one article only and I’m more concerned about the close proximity to other passengers. On many budget airlines you are squeezed in like sardines.

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