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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:00 pm

What do we make of this?

For almost a week Spain's death toll has been stuck at 27,136, as officials haven't been reporting the number of daily deaths in the country.

The health ministry's emergencies coordinator, Fernando Simon, acknowledged last week that the national death toll had been "frozen" because of discrepancies in the figures, which he blamed on data-reporting delays in some regional areas.

Some regions have hit back at this, saying that they've been submitting all of the required data but it hasn't been reflected in the overall toll.

Spain switched to a new method of collecting data on confirmed cases and fatalities on 25 May, which resulted in much lower daily figures than were being recorded under the old system.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:03 pm

Brazil 2nd highest death toll in the world now, and yet still Bolsonaro rails against lockdown restrictions.

Brazil's death toll has surpassed the UK's to become the second-highest in the world. More than 41,000 people have died - but despite this, far-right President Jair Bolsonaro continues to focus on the economic impact of lockdown restrictions

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Re: Covid-19

Post by CombatClaret » Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:47 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:03 pm
Brazil's death toll has surpassed the UK's to become the second-highest in the world. More than 41,000 people have died - but despite this, far-right President Jair Bolsonaro continues to focus on the economic impact of lockdown restrictions
Populists gonna Populist.

Look over there, statues...
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Re: Covid-19

Post by NewClaret » Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:55 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:00 pm
What do we make of this?

For almost a week Spain's death toll has been stuck at 27,136, as officials haven't been reporting the number of daily deaths in the country.

The health ministry's emergencies coordinator, Fernando Simon, acknowledged last week that the national death toll had been "frozen" because of discrepancies in the figures, which he blamed on data-reporting delays in some regional areas.

Some regions have hit back at this, saying that they've been submitting all of the required data but it hasn't been reflected in the overall toll.

Spain switched to a new method of collecting data on confirmed cases and fatalities on 25 May, which resulted in much lower daily figures than were being recorded under the old system.
All aimed at reopening the tourist economy.

Have said all along that, despite all the furore over our numbers/Government, I believe them more than I believe other nations.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by UnderSeige » Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:08 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:00 pm
What do we make of this?

For almost a week Spain's death toll has been stuck at 27,136, as officials haven't been reporting the number of daily deaths in the country.

The health ministry's emergencies coordinator, Fernando Simon, acknowledged last week that the national death toll had been "frozen" because of discrepancies in the figures, which he blamed on data-reporting delays in some regional areas.

Some regions have hit back at this, saying that they've been submitting all of the required data but it hasn't been reflected in the overall toll.

Spain switched to a new method of collecting data on confirmed cases and fatalities on 25 May, which resulted in much lower daily figures than were being recorded under the old system.
Looks a bit odd. There may be a simple explanation.

The cynic might say that they are attempting to cover something up in case it's just a blip - not wanting to scare away the tourists.

They have been getting concerned about a second spike this week. The daily cases have risen from 167 to 502 in the last five days. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... try/spain/

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Re: Covid-19

Post by paulatky » Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:43 pm

What does r (t) mean ?
R naught is how many people one person will infect but what does a r(t) of 1 mean

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Re: Covid-19

Post by UnderSeige » Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:58 pm

paulatky wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:43 pm
What does r (t) mean ?
R naught is how many people one person will infect but what does a r(t) of 1 mean
"The actual or “effective” version of the reproductive number, as opposed to the basic version, is known as Rt—that is, the virus’s actual transmission rate at a given time, t". https://qz.com/1834700/rt-the-real-time ... lockdowns/

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Re: Covid-19

Post by paulatky » Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:21 pm

How do you post s picture on this site pleasr

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Re: Covid-19

Post by summitclaret » Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:38 am

Just finished watching The Andrew Marr show. I was impressed with all the guests today. Sunak was again excellent, including on a wide range of issues. Did not duck anything. A future PM? I thought David Lammy came over very well also. Being on the shadow front bench has helped him appeal to a wider audience. The guy from the WTO was particularly impressive. Rarely do you see someone in that type of role be so frank.

I have to say though that Marr was much less challenging in his questions to Lammy than Sunak.
He did a proper challenge to the latter, but with the former it was like a chat with a mate.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:15 am

summitclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:38 am
Just finished watching The Andrew Marr show. I was impressed with all the guests today. Sunak was again excellent, including on a wide range of issues. Did not duck anything. A future PM? I thought David Lammy came over very well also. Being on the shadow front bench has helped him appeal to a wider audience. The guy from the WTO was particularly impressive. Rarely do you see someone in that type of role be so frank.

I have to say though that Marr was much less challenging in his questions to Lammy than Sunak.
He did a proper challenge to the latter, but with the former it was like a chat with a mate.
Beeb always favour Labour. Par for the course.

Absolutely agree that Sunak would make a great future PM.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:26 am

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:15 am
Beeb always favour Labour. Par for the course.

Absolutely agree that Sunak would make a great future PM.
Not sure about that, Laura Kuessenburg may as well be on the Tory payroll.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by paulatky » Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:30 am

summitclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:38 am
Just finished watching The Andrew Marr show. I was impressed with all the guests today. Sunak was again excellent, including on a wide range of issues. Did not duck anything. A future PM? I thought David Lammy came over very well also. Being on the shadow front bench has helped him appeal to a wider audience. The guy from the WTO was particularly impressive. Rarely do you see someone in that type of role be so frank.

I have to say though that Marr was much less challenging in his questions to Lammy than Sunak.
He did a proper challenge to the latter, but with the former it was like a chat with a mate.

When I first heard Sunak speak at the start of this crisis I was very impressed with him but for me I lost all credibility in him when he said just 3 weeks after lockdown that the economic recovery would be swift and V shaped.
A month later he then said that we would be facing the deepest recession in history.

If he really thought the economic recovery would be swift and V shaped hes in the wrong job

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Mala591 » Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:35 am

Sunak said it will be safe to go shopping tomorrow. It isn't safe. If you wear a face covering and keep to the social distancing rule then you will minimise your individual risk of infection. That isn't the same as being 100% safe.

Each individual must decide for themselves how much risk to take.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by kentonclaret » Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:03 pm

If it was perfectly safe to go shopping tomorrow then larger stores would be reopening both their cafeterias and restaurants along with their public toilet facilities, which they won't.

TFL also continuing with their message "TFL is for essential journeys only". Is going shopping to restart the economy deemed to be "essential".

With all public toilet facilities still closed only go out to spend a pound if you won"t need to spend a penny? ;)

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Re: Covid-19

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:08 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:26 am
Not sure about that, Laura Kuessenburg may as well be on the Tory payroll.
😂😂😂😂 No chance. Not judging by her stupid questions every briefing.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by paulatky » Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:08 pm

UnderSeige wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:58 pm
"The actual or “effective” version of the reproductive number, as opposed to the basic version, is known as Rt—that is, the virus’s actual transmission rate at a given time, t". https://qz.com/1834700/rt-the-real-time ... lockdowns/
Can someone explain these graphs.

The r (t) doesnt look high enough to me before lockdown and in most areas the r(t) doesnt seem to have fallen very much 3 weeks after lockdown
Can someone explain these graghs.
Can someone explain these graghs.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:09 pm

Mala591 wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:35 am
Sunak said it will be safe to go shopping tomorrow. It isn't safe. If you wear a face covering and keep to the social distancing rule then you will minimise your individual risk of infection. That isn't the same as being 100% safe.

Each individual must decide for themselves how much risk to take.
Exactly. Nothing in 100% safe. People have to take personal responsibility for their health.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:31 pm

Mala591 wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:35 am
Sunak said it will be safe to go shopping tomorrow. It isn't safe. If you wear a face covering and keep to the social distancing rule then you will minimise your individual risk of infection. That isn't the same as being 100% safe.

Each individual must decide for themselves how much risk to take.
It's never been 100% safe. If you're waiting for things to be 100% safe before going anywhere, enjoy the rest of your life at home... Most will risk odds of over 1000/1 and venture out.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by kentonclaret » Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:35 pm

Iain Duncan Smith just interviewed on BBC News by Ben Ridge claiming that the 2 metres rule should be relaxed, allowing hospitality to reopen, arguing that the wearing of masks means that the risk of infection is greatly reduced even at 1 metre.

Presumably when pubs and restaurants reopen people will not be wearing masks which makes his point completely irrelevant.

Difficult to eat and drink otherwise. :lol:
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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:43 pm

Grumps wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:31 pm
It's never been 100% safe. If you're waiting for things to be 100% safe before going anywhere, enjoy the rest of your life at home... Most will risk odds of over 1000/1 and venture out.
Stay at home and you'll end up dying of boredom and inertia, as long as people adhere to the social distancing measures introduced in shops, and exercise basic common sense, then you greatly reduce your chances of catching the virus.

Ideally the R number would be lower before lockdown is eased, but most people aren't paying the restrictions any heed now, so in that case we might as well try and get the economy moving again, the economic figures are horrendous now, imagine what they'll be like in another month or so.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by kentonclaret » Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:52 pm

"but most people aren't paying the restrictions any heed now"

I went to the shops yesterday and the vast majority were wearing masks, using a hand sanitizer and maintaining the 2 metre distance, in both the supermarket and on public transport (wearing of masks compulsory as from tomorrow).

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Re: Covid-19

Post by dermotdermot » Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:01 pm

It might just install a little confidence if the Chinese were to finally do something about these disgusting meat markets. As reported yesterday, an outbreak centred around the Xinfadi market in Beijing. If this current pandemic were to subside, we could be back to square one with further mutations breaking from this source or from others in the country. Not enough is said about this lately. This hideous practices continue and the Chinese government don’t seem capable of doing anything about it.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Spijed » Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:02 pm

No one seems to have come up with a solution for those who are vulnerable.

Are they meant to stay away from others until a vaccine or treatment is found?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by MrTopTier » Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:09 pm

43000 crowd at Auckland Blues Super league game.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by kentonclaret » Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:14 pm

Sadly, very close to the number of Covid19 deaths reported in the UK. :cry:

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Re: Covid-19

Post by ksrclaret » Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:17 pm

I wonder just where the UK would be now if we had a leader like Jacinda Ardern, instead of an ex hack who got fired. Depressing. :(

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Re: Covid-19

Post by summitclaret » Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:24 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:02 pm
No one seems to have come up with a solution for those who are vulnerable.

Are they meant to stay away from others until a vaccine or treatment is found?
Probably. I won't be going on the Turf without a vaccine for example. So no chance of shops.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by summitclaret » Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:28 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:17 pm
I wonder just where the UK would be now if we had a leader like Jacinda Ardern, instead of an ex hack who got fired. Depressing. :(
It's not reasonable to compare the 2 countries for lots of reasons. If more Labour and Tory MPs had done what they promised in their 2017 manifestos, BJ would never had been PM. You reap what you sow. Disgusting anti-democratics the lot of them.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by taio » Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:30 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:02 pm
No one seems to have come up with a solution for those who are vulnerable.

Are they meant to stay away from others until a vaccine or treatment is found?
Those shielding will have to make their own choice pending any vaccine.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Bigbopper » Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:44 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:17 pm
I wonder just where the UK would be now if we had a leader like Jacinda Ardern, instead of an ex hack who got fired. Depressing. :(
If Corid 19 infected sheep rather than people we would be doing better than New Zealand. :D :D

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Re: Covid-19

Post by UnderSeige » Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:44 pm

Mala591 wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:35 am
Sunak said it will be safe to go shopping tomorrow. It isn't safe. If you wear a face covering and keep to the social distancing rule then you will minimise your individual risk of infection. That isn't the same as being 100% safe.

Each individual must decide for themselves how much risk to take.
And also how much risk that they are willing to subject others too.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:08 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:24 pm
Probably. I won't be going on the Turf without a vaccine for example. So no chance of shops.
I wrote on another thread, I don’t see how football can ever get back to how it was.
The majority of supporters I suggest are all older rather than younger.
Don’t see me ever going to a football match again as I don’t think a vaccine will work.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by ksrclaret » Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:17 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:08 pm
I wrote on another thread, I don’t see how football can ever get back to how it was.
The majority of supporters I suggest are all older rather than younger.
Don’t see me ever going to a football match again as I don’t think a vaccine will work.
Try and get a grip mate. What a load of nonsense. Let us know if you ever manage to catch those black clouds.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Spijed » Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:33 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:08 pm
I wrote on another thread, I don’t see how football can ever get back to how it was.
The majority of supporters I suggest are all older rather than younger.
Don’t see me ever going to a football match again as I don’t think a vaccine will work.
They don't have a vaccine in New Zealand.

If we can manage to get rid of the virus like they've done then surely we can get back to normal.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:37 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:17 pm
Try and get a grip mate. What a load of nonsense. Let us know if you ever manage to catch those black clouds.
I suppose it all depends on your view of the situation.
Will there be a second wave or not. I think there will.
Will there be a depression similar to the 1930’s. I think there will.
History of the 1930 depression showed a recovery before markets collapsed. See attached graph.

The only thing I think can stop that is if the world decide to spend its way out, but can it afford to.

This is a long way from being over economically.

I was correct about a lot of what this virus was bringing from page 1 of this thread. I suspect it’s economic impact has a long way to play out and it’s going to be worse than people think.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by ksrclaret » Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:40 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:37 pm
I suppose it all depends on your view of the situation.
You feed off negativity and have done since this began. There are plenty of reasons for optimism if you look around the world right now, but you choose not to see those and focus only the bad. Good luck to you but it's nonsense.

"I don't think a vaccine will work". Jesus wept.

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Post by paulatky » Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:48 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:33 pm
They don't have a vaccine in New Zealand.

If we can manage to get rid of the virus like they've done then surely we can get back to normal.
Cant see us getting rid of the virus.

Think we will have to learn to live with 50-80 covid deaths a day.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Billy Balfour » Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:19 pm

Meanwhile Six thousand people attended two illegal raves in Greater Manchester. And people wonder why the northwest has one of the highest R-rates in the country. I despair, I really do.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:24 pm

Doom and gloom are here again i see, do you guys ever lighten up, yes this virus is bad and there will be an economic impact, but for goodness sake , there's been greater catastrophes to strike the human race, and we've overcome those, so why should this be any different, if Australia and New Zealand can eradicate or minimise this virus, then i'm sure other developed countries can follow suit, my biggest fear is for those countries in Africa, Asia, Latin & South America, who don't have the resources and infrastructure the Western powers do.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by paulatky » Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:33 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:24 pm
Doom and gloom are here again i see, do you guys ever lighten up, yes this virus is bad and there will be an economic impact, but for goodness sake , there's been greater catastrophes to strike the human race, and we've overcome those, so why should this be any different, if Australia and New Zealand can eradicate or minimise this virus, then i'm sure other developed countries can follow suit, my biggest fear is for those countries in Africa, Asia, Latin & South America, who don't have the resources and infrastructure the Western powers do.
Tiger, I would call it realism.

If the government had listened to me and Lowbank they would have locked down at least 2 weeks earlier and prevented many 10,000’s of deaths.

Once you accept reality you can re-align your life and get on with it.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Wile E Coyote » Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:33 pm

initially back in march this was highly impactive, a strange and dangerous virus to deal with and people began to panic.
Most could understand the governments measures and behaved appropriately. Now in mid june , its apparent there has been a colossal failure by those in charge of decision making and protecting the public. the care home issue alone is a national disgrace.
Add to this the imbecilic masses ignoring things and having beach days out, traipsing off to snowdonia, and the pig ignorant hordes of revellers and idiots marching and protesting.we have every chance now of allowing this to become a huge problem again very soon . people push the boundaries as much as possible. and the virus will wreak more havoc amongst an apathetic public.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:34 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:33 pm
They don't have a vaccine in New Zealand.

If we can manage to get rid of the virus like they've done then surely we can get back to normal.
NZ locked down early and severely which looks like it was the right strategy.

We did a lock down light and came out to early.

Plus no one is really keeping to the rules, so we will suffer a new second wave.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by paulatky » Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:36 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:19 pm
Meanwhile Six thousand people attended two illegal raves in Greater Manchester. And people wonder why the northwest has one of the highest R-rates in the country. I despair, I really do.
And thats why it will be so difficult to eradicate the virus. At least those raves were outside, come winter they would have been inside with increased risk of infection.

Thats not being pessimistic,just seeing the reality of the situation.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by ksrclaret » Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:38 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:34 pm
NZ locked down early and severely which looks like it was the right strategy.

We did a lock down light and came out to early.

Plus no one is really keeping to the rules, so we will suffer a new second wave.
Can you please stop this. You have no idea about how any of this will pan out, so kindly stop presenting your depressed opinions as facts.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:43 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:40 pm
You feed off negativity and have done since this began. There are plenty of reasons for optimism if you look around the world right now, but you choose not to see those and focus only the bad. Good luck to you but it's nonsense.

"I don't think a vaccine will work". Jesus wept.
So tell me, how successful is the flu jab??? That’s a corona type virus. There have been reports saying this has 22 p,us strains already.
My company Is going to get rid of 1/3 of its workforce as are several companies. The impact is going to be severe.

On the other hand, people argue like they did, it’s just like flu, will not need lockdown etc. Now it’s economic impact will be limited. No it will not, it will be a worldwide depression.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Spijed » Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:46 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:34 pm

Plus no one is really keeping to the rules, so we will suffer a new second wave.
People can't distance on the tube in London yet there doesn't seem to be any spikes in that area.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by ksrclaret » Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:48 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:43 pm
So tell me, how successful is the flu jab??? That’s a corona type virus. There have been reports saying this has 22 p,us strains already.
My company Is going to get rid of 1/3 of its workforce as are several companies. The impact is going to be severe.

On the other hand, people argue like they did, it’s just like flu, will not need lockdown etc. Now it’s economic impact will be limited. No it will not, it will be a worldwide depression.
No that's incorrect. The flu is not a "corona type virus", whatever that means. Flu is caused by the influenza virus and Covid-19 is caused by a coronavirus.

Look around the world right now and there are reasons for optimism. Countries that opened up over a month ago continue to see their death rate, infection rate and hospital admissions fall.

If you want revel in your own negativity, that's fine, but I can't imagine it's much fun being you. Please though, try and keep it off this board. And if you really can't resist, make it clear that the negativity is merely your opinion and don't present it as fact.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by dsr » Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:57 pm

paulatky wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:48 pm
Cant see us getting rid of the virus.

Think we will have to learn to live with 50-80 covid deaths a day.
That's be easy enough then. We already live with flu and pneumonia that contribute to 300 deaths per day, and some of those covid deaths will be reducing the flu deaths because they're both respiratory diseases, so that (I think) probably counts as the most optimistic post you have made.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:02 pm

paulatky wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:33 pm
Tiger, I would call it realism.

If the government had listened to me and Lowbank they would have locked down at least 2 weeks earlier and prevented many 10,000’s of deaths.

Once you accept reality you can re-align your life and get on with it.
Agree on the lockdown, even in early March the warning signs were there, and my employer was already advising staff that weren't essential on-site workers to work from home, and they weren't alone in this advise, now if the government and presumably SAGE couldn't see this, and thus acted sooner, then someone's at fault, once the full minutes are revealed from these early SAGE meetings, then the truth will be known, but it's hardly a secret that certain senior advisers were advocating a herd immunity strategy, and it's this valuable time that was lost in the late winter and early spring, when everyone could see what was unfolding in Northern Italy, that has probably contributed to our high death toll.

And well i'm normally upbeat, you do raise an important issue about the long-term economic impact, it's almost like we're going to be hit with a double whammy, we've not handled the pandemic well, and have one of the worst death tolls in the world, no matter how you slice the numbers it's grim, but allied to that we're struggling to find a viable exit strategy, so we can sensibly ease lockdown without sparking a 2nd wave.

Having apportioned blame to the government, i have to point out the stupidity of some of the British public, in attending various protests, flocking to beaches, and holding secret raves, has all the medical advice of the last 3 months not impacted in their minds one iota.

Our best hope short-term is this virus burns itself out naturally, and that would be fantastic, but we can't rely on that happening, so we have to have some form of strategy for living alongside it for several months at least, what concerns me is i don't see any effective leadership or route map out of this crisis, even the much vaunted world-beating app is having teething problems to put it mildly.

New Zealand has been mentioned a lot, and no you can't compare apples and pears, but they acted quickly and decisively, abetted by strong leadership displayed by Adern, and she took the country with her, as she was respected and trusted, and now New Zealand is reaping the benefits of this robust approach, and they're possibly coming out the other side, certainly it's a major triumph that sporting fixtures can now be attended by full crowds, even with the best will in the world, i can't see fans being admitted to sports venues in the UK until late summer/early autumn at the earliest, and even then it'll be in restricted numbers.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by bfcmik » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:04 pm

paulatky wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:48 pm
Cant see us getting rid of the virus.

Think we will have to learn to live with 50-80 covid deaths a day.
36 deaths reported today down from 77 on Sunday last week (the numbers are always lowest on Sunday and Monday) which is the lowest daily total since March 22nd (care home deaths were not reported at that time).
7 day rolling average down to 165 down from 230 last week and the lowest 7 day average since March 27th (peaked at 946 on April 14th exactly 2 months ago today)

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