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Re: Covid-19

Post by dsr » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:11 pm

paulatky wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:32 pm
But the overall death toll will be twice the normal numbers,so you have double the chance of dying. Normal + extra covid-19 deaths
"Normal" death toll is about 2,000 per day and about 300 of them are flu and pneumonia. Coronavirus will be taking a fair proportion of their share; it won't just be preying on people who would otherwise have lived for many more years.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by KateR » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:16 pm

dsr wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:11 pm
"Normal" death toll is about 2,000 per day and about 300 of them are flu and pneumonia. Coronavirus will be taking a fair proportion of their share; it won't just be preying on people who would otherwise have lived for many more years.
while I agree the numbers will revert somewhat later in the year I believe, so we will be able to compare what a normal full year looks like it is not a good point to deliberate. I would give anything to have had another day with either of my parents and therefore because some died , say 3 months earlier, is of no comfort at all.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:22 pm

paulatky wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:11 pm
The real crunch will come when the furlough scheme comes to an end .
At present upto 9 million workers are being supported by the Government.

Unfortunately, however sad it is, business closures should not come as a surprise to anyone.
Flybe was one of the 1st casualties back at the very beginning of March.
It's still a bit of a shock to see what seemed to be thriving, popular pubs go. I suppose it's hard enough trying to keep one pub going at the moment, trying to keep 10 going must be nigh on impossible.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by UnderSeige » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:56 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:29 pm
Could be onto something there. Our Chief medical officer would be taking on board the opinion of the World Health Organisation.

On 11 March a pandemic was declared by the WHO. By this time, 114 countries had reported cases!

the WHO declared on the 3rd of March 2020

"However, there are some important differences between COVID-19 and influenza.

First, COVID-19 does not transmit as efficiently as influenza, from the data we have so far.

With influenza, people who are infected but not yet sick are major drivers of transmission, which does not appear to be the case for COVID-19.

Evidence from China is that only 1% of reported cases do not have symptoms, and most of those cases develop symptoms within 2 days"
I think that the following statement is wrong- "COVID-19 does not transmit as efficiently as influenza, from the data we have so far". It was made by the WHO in March. There have been more up to date studies since.

Basic intuition should inform that current strains of influenza have not caused a global pandemic because we have vaccines for them.

"While both the flu and COVID-19 may be transmitted in similar ways, there is also a possible difference: COVID-19 might be spread through the airborne route, meaning that tiny droplets remaining in the air could cause disease in others even after the ill person is no longer near".https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/ ... vs-the-flu

"Here’s Why COVID-19 Is Much Worse Than the Flu.
But COVID-19 is not the seasonal flu. In many ways, it’s much worse. A column Trusted Sourceprinted in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) on May 14 noted that flu deaths and COVID-19 deaths are not even reported the same way.

The column written by Dr. Jeremy Samuel Faust, MS, an emergency medicine specialist affiliated with Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Massachusetts, states that flu deaths are estimated while COVID-19 deaths are confirmed cases. He notes that during mid-April the “counted deaths” for COVID-19 in the United States were around 15,000 per week. During a typical “peak week” for the flu, the “counted deaths” are about 750.

Faust concludes that COVID-19 deaths are actually anywhere from 10 times to 44 times the number of influenza fatalities. Other experts say there are also reasons beyond the raw statistics that indicate COVID-19 is more dangerous than influenza. https://www.healthline.com/health-news ... nt-the-flu"


"Research so far indicates that COVID-19 spreads more easily and has a higher death rate than the flu". Rachael Rettner - Senior Writer of livescience. May 14, 2020
"Since the new coronavirus was first discovered in January, many people have compared it with a more well-known disease: The flu.

Many of these comparisons pointed to the perhaps underappreciated toll of the flu, which causes millions of illnesses and tens of thousands of deaths every year in the U.S. alone. (During the current flu season, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that there have been 39 million to 56 million flu illnesses and 24,000 to 62,000 flu deaths in the U.S., although that number is an estimate based on hospitalizations with flu symptoms, not based on actually counting up every person who has died of flu.)

The new coronavirus disease, COVID-19, has caused more than 1.4 million illnesses and 85,000 deaths in the U.S. as of May 14, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

Related: Is 6 feet enough space for social distancing?

Both COVID-19 and the flu are respiratory illnesses. But COVID-19 is not the flu. Research so far indicates that COVID-19 spreads more easily and has a higher death rate than the flu. https://www.livescience.com/new-coronav ... h-flu.html"

"It is believed patients who have been infected with Covid-19 can be infectious before the onset of symptoms. Research published on 1 April by the US Department of Health and Human Services based on work from scientists in Hong Kong suggests there may be some evidence emerging that Covid-19 can be transmitted before the onset of symptoms. The World Health Organization on 2 April also stated: ‘Transmission from a pre-symptomatic case can occur before symptom onset."By Helen Quinn Tuesday 7th April, 2020 https://www.nursinginpractice.com/covid ... u%E2%80%99
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Re: Covid-19

Post by CombatClaret » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:06 pm

paulatky wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:11 pm
The real crunch will come when the furlough scheme comes to an end .
At present upto 9 million workers are being supported by the Government.
Throw in restaurants, stadiums, concerts, tourist attractions, theatres, film studios etc etc.
All the self employed who prominently work in arts, culture & media. August will be the last SEISS payment but these industries won't be anything like back to normal for a year or more.
The film set guidelines were laughable, literally suggesting dialogue scenes happen through a closed window.

If anyone's written any good screenplays about two town criers who live in quarry now is the time to hawk that around some studios.

I hope things are much better in the run up to Christmas as this is often a make or break season for restaurants and venues. A lot of venue's will break even most of the year while all profit comes from the July/Aug tourism peak and Xmas parties.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Mala591 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:15 pm

Sadly, 38 more deaths with Covid 19 as a contributory factor on the death certificate.

BBC are STILL making the unacceptable mistake by reporting that the deaths are FROM Covid 19.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by KateR » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:29 pm

however last week had a long conversation with the head of a home for the elderly where I volunteered once a week, she stated that regarding two deaths recently experienced, the doctors wrote Covid on the death certificate with zero testing carried out.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:42 pm

UnderSeige wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:56 pm
I think that the following statement is wrong- "COVID-19 does not transmit as efficiently as influenza, from the data we have so far". It was made by the WHO in March. There have been more up to date studies since.

Basic intuition should inform that current strains of influenza have not caused a global pandemic because we have vaccines for them.

"While both the flu and COVID-19 may be transmitted in similar ways, there is also a possible difference: COVID-19 might be spread through the airborne route, meaning that tiny droplets remaining in the air could cause disease in others even after the ill person is no longer near".https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/ ... vs-the-flu

"Here’s Why COVID-19 Is Much Worse Than the Flu.
But COVID-19 is not the seasonal flu. In many ways, it’s much worse. A column Trusted Sourceprinted in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) on May 14 noted that flu deaths and COVID-19 deaths are not even reported the same way.

The column written by Dr. Jeremy Samuel Faust, MS, an emergency medicine specialist affiliated with Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Massachusetts, states that flu deaths are estimated while COVID-19 deaths are confirmed cases. He notes that during mid-April the “counted deaths” for COVID-19 in the United States were around 15,000 per week. During a typical “peak week” for the flu, the “counted deaths” are about 750.

Faust concludes that COVID-19 deaths are actually anywhere from 10 times to 44 times the number of influenza fatalities. Other experts say there are also reasons beyond the raw statistics that indicate COVID-19 is more dangerous than influenza. https://www.healthline.com/health-news ... nt-the-flu"


"Research so far indicates that COVID-19 spreads more easily and has a higher death rate than the flu". Rachael Rettner - Senior Writer of livescience. May 14, 2020
"Since the new coronavirus was first discovered in January, many people have compared it with a more well-known disease: The flu.

Many of these comparisons pointed to the perhaps underappreciated toll of the flu, which causes millions of illnesses and tens of thousands of deaths every year in the U.S. alone. (During the current flu season, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that there have been 39 million to 56 million flu illnesses and 24,000 to 62,000 flu deaths in the U.S., although that number is an estimate based on hospitalizations with flu symptoms, not based on actually counting up every person who has died of flu.)

The new coronavirus disease, COVID-19, has caused more than 1.4 million illnesses and 85,000 deaths in the U.S. as of May 14, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

Related: Is 6 feet enough space for social distancing?

Both COVID-19 and the flu are respiratory illnesses. But COVID-19 is not the flu. Research so far indicates that COVID-19 spreads more easily and has a higher death rate than the flu. https://www.livescience.com/new-coronav ... h-flu.html"

"It is believed patients who have been infected with Covid-19 can be infectious before the onset of symptoms. Research published on 1 April by the US Department of Health and Human Services based on work from scientists in Hong Kong suggests there may be some evidence emerging that Covid-19 can be transmitted before the onset of symptoms. The World Health Organization on 2 April also stated: ‘Transmission from a pre-symptomatic case can occur before symptom onset."By Helen Quinn Tuesday 7th April, 2020 https://www.nursinginpractice.com/covid ... u%E2%80%99
I was replying to what had been said about this post.

CombatClaret wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:56 pm

June 13th
Prime Minister @10downing Street -
"Coronavirus thrives on mass gatherings."

March 16th
Health Secretary when questioned on Cheltenham and Liverpool vs Atletico
"The risks of transmission at 'mass gatherings' are relatively low."

Any wonder why this shower of a government is overseeing one of the worst death tolls in the world.
I was simply pointing out what the WHO had said around the time the health secretary said what he said back in March.

On 11 March a pandemic was declared by the WHO. By this time, 114 countries had reported cases!

the WHO declared on the 3rd of March 2020

"However, there are some important differences between COVID-19 and influenza.

First, COVID-19 does not transmit as efficiently as influenza, from the data we have so far.

With influenza, people who are infected but not yet sick are major drivers of transmission, which does not appear to be the case for COVID-19.


Evidence from China is that only 1% of reported cases do not have symptoms, and most of those cases develop symptoms within 2 days"


Seems to have irked quite a few messageboard revisionists. Who kept well away from the Turf apparently as theyd, ever so wisely , gone into lockdown long before we plebs did!

This thread has been less about the virus itself, and far more about morbid self aggrandisement over who is the most accurate over mortality rates.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:44 pm

Downward trend in new cases continuing.

Decline in UK patients with coronavirus

Dominic Raab says a further 430 people were admitted to hospital with the coronavirus on 12 June, down from over 500 a week earlier.

He says the regional breakdown of what is happening in UK hospitals shows a 19% reduction in the number of patients with Covid-19 compared with a week previously.

He adds that the UK is "not out of the woods entirely" and that the data backs the government as it cautiously eases some restrictions, such as reopening non-essential shops.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Zlatan » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:47 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:42 pm
Seems to have irked quite a few messageboard revisionists. Who kept well away from the Turf apparently as theyd, ever so wisely , gone into lockdown long before we plebs did!

This thread has been less about the virus itself, and far more about morbid self aggrandisement over who is the most accurate over mortality rates.
If you're referring to me here, I can assure you I am not revising anything, check the thread and you'll find I have been consistent.

Your final statement is accurate though, and I have consistently agreed with what you state on that matter, far too much point scoring by some who accuse others of doing the same when it is pointed out to them.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:47 pm

Grumps wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:04 pm
In years to come the spurs game will become the opposite of the orient game
Thousands claiming they weren't there!
"I wasn't at the spurs game and neither was Mrs Sparticus!"

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Re: Covid-19

Post by paulatky » Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:14 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:47 pm
If you're referring to me here, I can assure you I am not revising anything, check the thread and you'll find I have been consistent.

Your final statement is accurate though, and I have consistently agreed with what you state on that matter, far too much point scoring by some who accuse others of doing the same when it is pointed out to them.
Consistently under estimated the seriousness of covid-19 and not once had the good grace to hold your hands up and admit that the flak you gave me and Lowbank at the very beginning of March is now shown to be totally unjustified.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Zlatan » Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:36 pm

paulatky wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:14 pm
Consistently under estimated the seriousness of covid-19 and not once had the good grace to hold your hands up and admit that the flak you gave me and Lowbank at the very beginning of March is now shown to be totally unjustified.
Consistently posted using multiple accounts...

Check the thread, I took it seriously, but I wanted you and Lowbankclaret to temper your doomsday scenarios because they were way off the mark. If me asking you to stop predicting 2M deaths and lowbanks 26% death rate came across as not taking it seriously then I’m sorry that I didn’t put it across in terms you found acceptable, but you both were being ridiculous about the death rates I had to respond accordingly because it was dangerous and inflammatory to do what you both did, but I always took this seriously.

This is my final attempt to correct you on this, I won’t try any more however much you bully me about it
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Re: Covid-19

Post by KateR » Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:51 pm

in all fairness Paul came in to the discussion quite late, long after Lowbank being "attacked" and as such I know Zlatan posted: "anywhere between 400 and 13000 deaths - which equates to between 0.01% and 2.6%" before Paul entered this thread, which is going to turn out to be pretty accurate even though he did for a long time, like many others make references to flu. However I don't remember if this was UK or World but think UK

Paul and Lowbank went very high in there estimates and were told about pessimistic predication which fuel panic.

Nobody on the whole of this thread should try to be "look at me and what I said"

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Re: Covid-19

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:01 pm

Regarding a second wave, I think it was only the other week that a poster guaranteed it as fact. That it was definitely happening.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by ksrclaret » Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:08 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:01 pm
Regarding a second wave, I think it was only the other week that a poster guaranteed it as fact. That it was definitely happening.
It was only yesterday that one poster said exactly the same thing.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by KateR » Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:19 pm

how are you defining second wave? Is it when cases rise somewhere in the country, the whole of the country, is it more to do with deaths?

Personally I would class a second wave as when measures that were in place to open up are rescinded and you move backwards to more stringent measure to account for a rise in cases and deaths.

For example living in Texas I believe we opened to early, cases have gone up but no restriction have been reimposed from pre-lockdown, so for me a not a second wave, yet!

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:23 pm

Hope for New Yorkers? Certainly it's a vast improvement from their peak.

New York's death toll and total number of people sent to hospital due to Covid-19 have both fallen to the lowest points since the crisis began.

On Monday, Governor Andrew Cuomo said this weekend had the fewest deaths on a three-day average since March. The number of positive tests has also continued to decline.

Twenty-five people died of the virus on Sunday and there were just over 1,600 residents requiring hospital treatment for Covid-19 over the weekend.

"The facts are that new York is on the right track," he said, though noted it was unlikely the numbers would hit zero. "It's coming down to what the doctor certifies as the cause of death, many people who pass away because of Covid have other underlying conditions."

The report comes as parts of the state enter the third phase of reopening; gatherings of up to 25 people will be allowed, up from 10, and many businesses are back open.

But the governor also called out businesses and residents ignoring social distancing measures, saying the state had received 25,000 complaints of violations.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by UnderSeige » Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:29 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:42 pm
I was replying to what had been said about this post.




I was simply pointing out what the WHO had said around the time the health secretary said what he said back in March.

On 11 March a pandemic was declared by the WHO. By this time, 114 countries had reported cases!

the WHO declared on the 3rd of March 2020

"However, there are some important differences between COVID-19 and influenza.

First, COVID-19 does not transmit as efficiently as influenza, from the data we have so far.

With influenza, people who are infected but not yet sick are major drivers of transmission, which does not appear to be the case for COVID-19.


Evidence from China is that only 1% of reported cases do not have symptoms, and most of those cases develop symptoms within 2 days"


Seems to have irked quite a few messageboard revisionists. Who kept well away from the Turf apparently as theyd, ever so wisely , gone into lockdown long before we plebs did!

This thread has been less about the virus itself, and far more about morbid self aggrandisement over who is the most accurate over mortality rates.
I can identify with that. I went to the Spurs game and thought it was just another flue that only affected a small minority of the population. I was more gutted about dropping the point than worried about the virus.

The WHO didn't help matters in February. I think they called the pandemic 'too late'. At the time though, if we had gone into lockdown I would have thought that the government had lost their marbles. How quickly things changed though. I guess that's how it is in a pandemic though. Things can change quickly one way or the other.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:32 pm

KateR wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:19 pm
how are you defining second wave? Is it when cases rise somewhere in the country, the whole of the country, is it more to do with deaths?

Personally I would class a second wave as when measures that were in place to open up are rescinded and you move backwards to more stringent measure to account for a rise in cases and deaths.

For example living in Texas I believe we opened to early, cases have gone up but no restriction have been reimposed from pre-lockdown, so for me a not a second wave, yet!
I'd class a second wave as being almost, or bypassing, how bad it was a few weeks ago. So basically another lockdown as tight as it was.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:02 pm

KateR wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:51 pm
in all fairness Paul came in to the discussion quite late, long after Lowbank being "attacked" and as such I know Zlatan posted: "anywhere between 400 and 13000 deaths - which equates to between 0.01% and 2.6%" before Paul entered this thread, which is going to turn out to be pretty accurate even though he did for a long time, like many others make references to flu. However I don't remember if this was UK or World but think UK

Paul and Lowbank went very high in there estimates and were told about pessimistic predication which fuel panic.

Nobody on the whole of this thread should try to be "look at me and what I said"
I am confused by your quote, 400 to 13,000 being pretty accurate. The ONS is saying it now over 50,000.

Many on here didn’t take it seriously and probably never will.

I gave up posting as the bullying was horrendous IMO.

I came back yesterday to have A read and to point out the oncoming economic impact.

Once again people are just not willing to accept what’s staring us in the face.

The north west is going suffer massive job losses.

Take the engineering industry.

Rolls Royce announced as stage 1 of the redundancies 234 jobs to go at Barlick. Stage 1 is 3000 of the total 8000 to go in civil aerospace. Leaving just over 500 working there. Less than 600 makes the plant unsustainable.
Many many subcontractors supply RR as well.

Driving round at the weekend, there were loads of shops and pubs with “to Let “ signs up.

A recession is coming , but I suspect a depression as I don’t think the world can afford to stop it.

Rather try to waste my time explain it all, I think it’s just best to let you guys wander into it obliviously.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by KateR » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:06 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:32 pm
I'd class a second wave as being almost, or bypassing, how bad it was a few weeks ago. So basically another lockdown as tight as it was.
in that definition I would agree very unlikely to happen, but I think you will see some area rise at times but not enough to go back to full lockdown, I have no clue as to what said original poster said in terms of 'second wave" but we would have had differing opinions on when a second wave occurred. For example S Korea closed down nightclubs after a "spike" but some reported it as a second wave.

I remember some in the early days here saying about the Spanish Flu second wave that was worse than the original and that it was a fear of that re occurrence. I certainly don't expect anything like that.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by UnderSeige » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:16 pm

KateR wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:19 pm
how are you defining second wave? Is it when cases rise somewhere in the country, the whole of the country, is it more to do with deaths?

Personally I would class a second wave as when measures that were in place to open up are rescinded and you move backwards to more stringent measure to account for a rise in cases and deaths.

For example living in Texas I believe we opened to early, cases have gone up but no restriction have been reimposed from pre-lockdown, so for me a not a second wave, yet!
You are right. I have posted about this several times over the last few days with links.

A second wave occurs only when the virus transmutes and moves on to another cohort of the population. An example of this is the 'Spanish Flue second wave'. Following the first world war the virus mutated into a more deadly form in Europe. There were a lot of troop movements at the time which caused the 'transmuted deadly virus' to be carried around the globe. The new form of the virus targeted the young.

People are tending to confuse 'second wave' with 'second spike' or 'second peak'. Matt Hancock, in his daily briefing this evening was talking about avoiding a 'second spike'. I have heard other ministers, including the Prime Minister using this term.

The' second spike' is what you are getting in Texas. It is the same form of the virus as in March. Due to Texas lifting the lockdown too early the virus is now transmitting more freely again.

'Second waves', in pandemics, often occur after a lull. The virus seems to have gone away but then comes back in a different form. If there is a 'second wave' it could be more infectious than the first or less infectious.

If there is a 'second wave' that is more infectious you will be able to recognise it. Very suddenly, perhaps after a lull, the virus would take off again and would be infecting different groups of the population - perhaps the young or the middle aged etc. At this stage it is impossible to predict a second wave.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by paulatky » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:59 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:36 pm
Consistently posted using multiple accounts...

Check the thread, I took it seriously, but I wanted you and Lowbankclaret to temper your doomsday scenarios because they were way off the mark. If me asking you to stop predicting 2M deaths and lowbanks 26% death rate came across as not taking it seriously then I’m sorry that I didn’t put it across in terms you found acceptable, but you both were being ridiculous about the death rates I had to respond accordingly because it was dangerous and inflammatory to do what you both did, but I always took this seriously.

This is my final attempt to correct you on this, I won’t try any more however much you bully me about it
The highest number of deaths I ever stated was 700,000 based on no lockdown restrictions.

That was based on 80% of the population getting infected and a mortality rate of 1-1.5%,

Where you get I said £2.0m from I dont know.

The actual numbers despite the lockdown restrictions are certainly more than your “ its nowt but a bit of flu the elderly get” scenario.

Pointing out where you quoted me wrong is bullying is it ? Yeah right oh.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Martinc265 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:43 pm

I went for a Covid test at Blackburn Hospital on Sunday, road signs are diabolical by the way, got the result at 4.30 tonight, negative.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Zlatan » Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:32 pm

I’m done

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Re: Covid-19

Post by paulatky » Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:44 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:32 pm
I’m done
My son used to say that when he had finished on his potty . Brought back memories

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Zlatan » Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:29 am

paulatky wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:44 pm
I’m a bully - this is bullying
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:25 am

Looks like Mrs Atky has left the computer logged on again!!!

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Re: Covid-19

Post by paulatky » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:28 am

Zlatan wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:36 pm
I am a bully too, but being 2 faced I dont like it if I consider others bully me,
You really are a sad and pathetic individual.

I thought long and hard before saying that as I know you have health problems related to shielding but you need to take a long hard look at yourself.

You can give it out, but cant take it.

Grow up for goodness sake.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:34 am

paulatky wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:28 am
You really are a sad and pathetic individual.

I thought long and hard before saying that as I know you have health problems related to shielding but you need to take a long hard look at yourself.

You can give it out, but cant take it.

Grow up for goodness sake.

Is it purely a coincidence that since you outed yourself posting as someone else and patting yourself on the back, then claiming that the other poster was your wife that that was her last actual post on here ?

How come she has lost her log in details since posting as you ?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by paulatky » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:35 am

Grumps wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:25 am
Looks like Mrs Atky has left the computer logged on again!!!
Typical of you Grumps ,you take everything at face value.

If you looked back through the my posts you would see that I never posted that.

Zaltan has tried to be clever but just made himself look bitter and silly.

I have a right to defend myself when I am unfairly criticised. I dont bleat about bullying like you and others do.

To put the record straight my wife defended me 3 times in here after she was disgusted with how I was being treated on here. We have always supported each other.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:43 am

paulatky wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:35 am
Typical of you Grumps ,you take everything at face value.

If you looked back through the my posts you would see that I never posted that.

Zaltan has tried to be clever but just made himself look bitter and silly.

I have a right to defend myself when I am unfairly criticised. I dont bleat about bullying like you and others do.

To put the record straight my wife defended me 3 times in here after she was disgusted with how I was being treated on here. We have always supported each other.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Covid-19

Post by uptheclarets » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:50 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:34 am
Is it purely a coincidence that since you outed yourself posting as someone else and patting yourself on the back, then claiming that the other poster was your wife that that was her last actual post on here ?

How come she has lost her log in details since posting as you ?
It is disgusting and shameful how you treated my husband on here.
All he has ever done is tried to help other people to understand the dangers of vivid-19 and the implications on all our lives going forward.

I tried to tell him he was wasting his time trying to educate others on a football message board. How some of you have behaved is deplorable.

Despite that I hope you all stay safe and sometime in the future we can all return to t'turf

Paul will be annoyed I have spoken up on his behalf but just felt I had to.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:52 am

uptheclarets wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:50 am
It is disgusting and shameful how you treated my husband on here.
All he has ever done is tried to help other people to understand the dangers of vivid-19 and the implications on all our lives going forward.

I tried to tell him he was wasting his time trying to educate others on a football message board. How some of you have behaved is deplorable.

Despite that I hope you all stay safe and sometime in the future we can all return to t'turf

Paul will be annoyed I have spoken up on his behalf but just felt I had to.

:D :D :D Hi Paul

Had you logged in 5 minutes ago uptheclarets you could have been on the same time as your husband.

vivid 19 ? Is that your name for your imagination

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Re: Covid-19

Post by UnderSeige » Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:17 am

Worldwide Latest Figures

Coronavirus Cases:...8,128,490
Recovered:............4,242,154
Closed Cases..........4,681,575
Deaths...................439,421 (9% of all recorded Closed cases)

Daily New Cases: still rising.
Daily Mortalities: Falling from mid April to mid May. Now flat lining.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

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Re: Covid-19

Post by evensteadiereddie » Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:22 am

At least our exports are on the up : two cases from the UK identified in New Zealand.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:31 am


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Re: Covid-19

Post by UnderSeige » Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:21 am

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:31 am
This is well worth a read.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... inApp=true
It's the second Spike that we need to avoid in order to save the economy from catastrophe. It's bad enough now. I'm not sure just how much government will be able to help if we go into a second lockdown that trails into the winter months.

It would have better to come out of lockdown more slowly - perhaps starting at the end of June or at least when we have an effective containment plan with app technology and all. The 'cat's out of the bag' now. Poor management of the situation by government and 'low cultural capital' of the UK population has resulted in the situation being 'out of control' again.

We are now reliant on the virus becoming weaker and fizzling out of it's own accord or a vaccine becoming available late summer/early Autumn.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:40 am

uptheclarets wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:50 am
It is disgusting and shameful how you treated my husband on here.
All he has ever done is tried to help other people to understand the dangers of vivid-19 and the implications on all our lives going forward.

I tried to tell him he was wasting his time trying to educate others on a football message board. How some of you have behaved is deplorable.

Despite that I hope you all stay safe and sometime in the future we can all return to t'turf

Paul will be annoyed I have spoken up on his behalf but just felt I had to.
I Carnt decide if this is.. The funniest thing I've read on here, the saddest, most childish or the most ridiculous.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:41 am

Grumps wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:40 am
I Carnt decide if this is.. The funniest thing I've read on here, the saddest, most childish or the most ridiculous.
Well it made me laugh, absolute crank

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Re: Covid-19

Post by AndrewJB » Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:22 am

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... a-pandemic

I suppose this underlines their credentials as the government of the rich.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by CleggHall » Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:35 am

Top civil servants (permanent secretaries) but seemingly know nowt!
God help us.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:39 am

Grumps wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:40 am
I Carnt decide if this is.. The funniest thing I've read on here, the saddest, most childish or the most ridiculous.
You've not been following this thread since page 1 then.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:42 am

FactualFrank wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:39 am
You've not been following this thread since page 1 then.
I meant the whole messageboard, from the beginning, to be honest :lol:

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Re: Covid-19

Post by ksrclaret » Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:52 am

uptheclarets wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:50 am
It is disgusting and shameful how you treated my husband on here.
All he has ever done is tried to help other people to understand the dangers of vivid-19 and the implications on all our lives going forward.

I tried to tell him he was wasting his time trying to educate others on a football message board. How some of you have behaved is deplorable.

Despite that I hope you all stay safe and sometime in the future we can all return to t'turf

Paul will be annoyed I have spoken up on his behalf but just felt I had to.
Absolutely brilliant :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I wouldn’t worry about Paul being annoyed. Something tells me he’s more than signed off on this post. :lol:

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:07 pm


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Re: Covid-19

Post by Spijed » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:07 pm

UnderSeige wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:21 am
It's the second Spike that we need to avoid in order to save the economy from catastrophe. It's bad enough now. I'm not sure just how much government will be able to help if we go into a second lockdown that trails into the winter months.

It would have better to come out of lockdown more slowly - perhaps starting at the end of June or at least when we have an effective containment plan with app technology and all. The 'cat's out of the bag' now. Poor management of the situation by government and 'low cultural capital' of the UK population has resulted in the situation being 'out of control' again.

We are now reliant on the virus becoming weaker and fizzling out of it's own accord or a vaccine becoming available late summer/early Autumn.
The problem is we have also to follow other world economies. If everyone else successfully comes out of lockdown we have simply no choice but to follow suit otherwise the damage from that will far outweigh anything from the virus.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by paulatky » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:11 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:52 am
Absolutely brilliant :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I wouldn’t worry about Paul being annoyed. Something tells me he’s more than signed off on this post. :lol:
I am still very much around and will continue to add my opinions in a polite and responsible manner but maintain the right to defend myself when I am subjected to uncalled for abuse.

Thankfully there are some on here who can debate in an intelligent and civil manner without resorting to unjustified insults.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:16 pm

paulatky wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:11 pm
I am still very much around and will continue to add my opinions in a polite and responsible manner but maintain the right to defend myself when I am subjected to uncalled for abuse.

Thankfully there are some on here who can debate in an intelligent and civil manner without resorting to unjustified insults.

You sound just like your mrs :D

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