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This seems like terrible news to me and, if true, scandalous misinformation from the government.
This seems like terrible news to me and, if true, scandalous misinformation from the government.
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App - voluntary -shouldn't require enforcement.Grumps wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:51 pmI don't think the app would make somebody self isolate any better
It's already been well published that nobody will police it, so it's down to the individual. That shouldn't need any more leadership, everybody knows why you should isolate if asked to do so, unless they've been on Mars for 3 months.
Manual tracing - involuntary - will require enforcement for some.
The App is in addition to the manual contact tracing. It follows logically that those who download the app will be doing so voluntarily. They will download it so that they can be warned if they come into contact with someone who has tested positive. Having been warned they will then know not to be in contact with 'loved ones', friends and 'work colleagues'. Otherwise, what is the point of them downloading the App in the first place?
Everyone knows that you should isolate if contact traced through health officials. Also, everyone knows that you shouldn't be involved in mass gatherings and close contact with other members of the public. Everyone knows that you shouldn't be crowded together with thousands of people on a beach; in a protest march; or in a rave in the woods. Everyone knows that you shouldn't be gathered together in groups outside 'take aways'.
Whilst many will comply with the manual tracing, many will not unless they are forced to. The government have got it all mixed up. No App and 'manual tracing' that is advisory. In addition to this there is no 'compulsory mask wearing' in indoor public spaces. We still need a coherent containment plan.
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It sounds quite plausible to me. Also the stories that the virus is weakening sound plausible. However, at this stage it is all unproven. We can't rely on these theories until they are proven but it would be nice to think that they will be proven correct and that we can get out of all these ever changing and confusing restrictions and releases.ksrclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:35 pmProfessor Sikora gets a bad press from some, I think due to his views on the NHS that I've not seen but from what I've heard I wouldn't agree with. However, I find him to be an outstanding source of information and knowledge and I often check his tweets first when I want some news on the virus. He has generally been ahead of the curve on this.
His specialism is oncology but a number of viruses are implicated in the origin of cancer. Oncologists therefore have quite an extensive knowledge of viral life cycles, and indeed the immune system.
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All officials need to have the full information so that they can take appropriate actions that save lives and jobs. The public also need to be given clear guidelines and rules with penalties for not following them. They also need to be made aware of any dangers that are out there.ksrclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:53 pmhttps://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status ... 2691273728
This seems like terrible news to me and, if true, scandalous misinformation from the government.
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How do we force people to isolate as you suggest?UnderSeige wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:08 pmApp - voluntary -shouldn't require enforcement.
Manual tracing - involuntary - will require enforcement for some.
The App is in addition to the manual contact tracing. It follows logically that those who download the app will be doing so voluntarily. They will download it so that they can be warned if they come into contact with someone who has tested positive. Having been warned they will then know not to be in contact with 'loved ones', friends and 'work colleagues'. Otherwise, what is the point of them downloading the App in the first place?
Everyone knows that you should isolate if contact traced through health officials. Also, everyone knows that you shouldn't be involved in mass gatherings and close contact with other members of the public. Everyone knows that you shouldn't be crowded together with thousands of people on a beach; in a protest march; or in a rave in the woods. Everyone knows that you shouldn't be gathered together in groups outside 'take aways'.
Whilst many will comply with the manual tracing, many will not unless they are forced to. The government have got it all mixed up. No App and 'manual tracing' that is advisory. In addition to this there is no 'compulsory mask wearing' in indoor public spaces. We still need a coherent containment plan.
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Leicester lockdown being viewed as a blueprint for local lockdowns around the globe.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/five- ... latestnews
Pity countries like South Korea and New Zealand didn't think of it first.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/five- ... latestnews
Pity countries like South Korea and New Zealand didn't think of it first.
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This is for manual trace only. You don't need to bother with the app.
- Contact person (phone e-mail etc).
- Inform them that they have been in close contact with someone who has been tested positive for Coronavirus.
- Order them to stay at home for 14 days. Total quarantine. No leaving the premises.
- Warn them that officials will be calling at their home to check that they are isolating.
- Warn them that if they are not found to be at home without a good excuse when the official calls, they will receive a hefty fine.
- Offer advice on maintaining health and hygiene during the 14 days at home
- Offer an home testing kit and advice on what to do if they develop symptoms
- Give them a list of local resources that they can call upon if help is needed with shopping or picking up medications.
- Send officials round at random to check that people are following the quarantine order.
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The so-called experts said heat would affect the spread ,it hasn’tUnderSeige wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:15 pmIt sounds quite plausible to me. Also the stories that the virus is weakening sound plausible. However, at this stage it is all unproven. We can't rely on these theories until they are proven but it would be nice to think that they will be proven correct and that we can get out of all these ever changing and confusing restrictions and releases.
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Correct. The only problem is, of course, that is it not happening.UnderSeige wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:30 pmAll officials need to have the full information so that they can take appropriate actions that save lives and jobs. The public also need to be given clear guidelines and rules with penalties for not following them. They also need to be made aware of any dangers that are out there.
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Good point. There is a lot of theorising going on by experts. I prefer to rely on information that we know as facts.
Currently we don't know whether the virus will fizzle out or take off into a second spike. If it does fizzle out, we don't know whether it will take off again in the winter. We don't know whether a second wave will emerge with a mutation that makes the virus more deadly and infectious to younger age groups.
Until we know things for certain, we should use the things that we do know that helps combat the virus. A proper 'containment strategy' backed up by enforcement and technology modelled on those successfully deployed by other countries.
Continue to develop vaccines and other medications. WE know that progress is being made in these fields. We can't just rely on theories and luck.
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Yes apparently but as above I’ve not seen a single thing wrong with anything he says.Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:50 pmIs there not a bit of controversy surrounding this ‘professor’?
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Exactly how I feel. He has never professed to be an expert. But articulated the doom and gloom in an accurate and easy to understand and often positive way.ksrclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:35 pmProfessor Sikora gets a bad press from some, I think due to his views on the NHS that I've not seen but from what I've heard I wouldn't agree with. However, I find him to be an outstanding source of information and knowledge and I often check his tweets first when I want some news on the virus. He has generally been ahead of the curve on this.
His specialism is oncology but a number of viruses are implicated in the origin of cancer. Oncologists therefore have quite an extensive knowledge of viral life cycles, and indeed the immune system.
Refreshing in my eyes
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Leicester's Labour mayor Sir Peter Soulsby, 71, who has criticised ministers over city's new lockdown broke Covid rules himself to visit his girlfriend
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... riend.html
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I don't think it's terrible news. If I read it right, it's saying that the infection rate isn't going down as quickly as we thought but a far, far smaller proportion of the infections are serious - in other words, either the vulnerable are being protected, or the virus is losing potency. So good news, perhaps.ksrclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:53 pmhttps://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status ... 2691273728
This seems like terrible news to me and, if true, scandalous misinformation from the government.
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Yes that would be the good news from that piece of information, so long as the death rate continues to fall. If it does, then it certainly supports the idea that the virus is no longer affecting people as badly.dsr wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:23 pmI don't think it's terrible news. If I read it right, it's saying that the infection rate isn't going down as quickly as we thought but a far, far smaller proportion of the infections are serious - in other words, either the vulnerable are being protected, or the virus is losing potency. So good news, perhaps.
If death rate starts to increase in the next few weeks, then we'll have a big problem because it appears the numbers of new cases could be as much as "90%" higher than the numbers the government are reporting each day. That seems to me to be the perfect ingredients for the dreaded 'second spike'.
I hope the former turns out to be the reality. The government had better hope it's the former as well because they appear to have withheld this information and that will not go down well. Time will tell.
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All excellent ideas, but in reality, who are these officials you talk about, who have the power to enforce the rules, and fine offenders. The police have said they won't do it, border force won't do it for arrivals in the country, so who's left, can you imagine how many we would need to check all these thousands of people?UnderSeige wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:39 pmThis is for manual trace only. You don't need to bother with the app.
- Contact person (phone e-mail etc).
- Inform them that they have been in close contact with someone who has been tested positive for Coronavirus.
- Order them to stay at home for 14 days. Total quarantine. No leaving the premises.
- Warn them that officials will be calling at their home to check that they are isolating.
- Warn them that if they are not found to be at home without a good excuse when the official calls, they will receive a hefty fine.
- Offer advice on maintaining health and hygiene during the 14 days at home
- Offer an home testing kit and advice on what to do if they develop symptoms
- Give them a list of local resources that they can call upon if help is needed with shopping or picking up medications.
- Send officials round at random to check that people are following the quarantine order.
They don't, and won't exist, so like I said it's down to the individuals, app or no app
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71 year old visiting his girlfriend, hope he got more then his cockdown .RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:39 pmLeicester's Labour mayor Sir Peter Soulsby, 71, who has criticised ministers over city's new lockdown broke Covid rules himself to visit his girlfriend
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... riend.html
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Could we be getting nearer to herd immunity ?
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/around-third- ... 27243.html
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/around-third- ... 27243.html
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It is not just an idea. They are already doing it in other countries. Are you saying that, like with the app, we would fail to do this too?Grumps wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:23 amAll excellent ideas, but in reality, who are these officials you talk about, who have the power to enforce the rules, and fine offenders. The police have said they won't do it, border force won't do it for arrivals in the country, so who's left, can you imagine how many we would need to check all these thousands of people?
They don't, and won't exist, so like I said it's down to the individuals, app or no app
Just like we don't have a policeman on every street corner to deal with every crime, we don't need to visit every person in quarantine every day. You just need enough officers for there to be a sufficient deterrent. We have already recruited 25,000 officers, we would need to recruit a few more.
It just needs a bit of imagination and 'realistic can do attitude' along with a bit of copying the best ideas from overseas.
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The isolation is now only guidance, not law, so the police won't do it... So I'll ask again, who are these officials who you want to enforce your idea?UnderSeige wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:55 amIt is not just an idea. They are already doing it in other countries. Are you saying that, like with the app, we would fail to do this too?
Just like we don't have a policeman on every street corner to deal with every crime, we don't need to visit every person in quarantine every day. You just need enough officers for there to be a sufficient deterrent. We have already recruited 25,000 officers, we would need to recruit a few more.
It just needs a bit of imagination and 'realistic can do attitude' along with a bit of copying the best ideas from overseas.
It won't happen.
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This is exactly the kind of study that we need here. I can remember Borris saying that it could be a 'game changer'. If we had some idea about this, policy could be adjusted accordingly. High immunity amongst the younger population could mean the opening of schools colleges and Universities more freely and many other things could be achieved.bfcjg wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:34 amCould we be getting nearer to herd immunity ?
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/around-third- ... 27243.html
It looks like Sweden are gradually getting there. They haven't had a lockdown as strict as most other countries but their population is 'risk averse' to viruses in general. This has resulted in a steady increase in daily cases. They haven't had a spike followed by a 'slow decline in cases' like the rest of Europe. Their daily case numbers is still on the increase. They have also had a much higher number of cases than other Scandanavian countries with similar cultures. Their fatalities have declined along with the rest of Europe though.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... ry/sweden/
30% would probably not achieve 'herd immunity' but is likely to slow the spread of the virus down. I think that 'herd immunity' is achieved somewhere between 60-80%.
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If there is something in this it will be another good weapon in the armoury. It could also go a long way to explaining why the first wave (hopefully the only wave) does not affect the young as much as older age groups. Also, along with the Swedish type studies in bfcg's latest post it could be the key to getting education up and running.
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Article from the 'Times of Israel' on the long term effects on those who have been hospitalised due to COVID-19.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/its-frigh ... ll-suffer/
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- Many people are suffering from fatigue and/or anxiety.
- Pain that there is no explanation for. Often a pain level of 10 on a scale of 1-10.These pains — seen in young patients and old alike — have doctors scratching their heads. Schenker said: “Painkillers block the pain but don’t relieve the source, but we don’t know how to address the source and you can’t be on painkillers the rest of your life.”
While the pains are excruciating for some, others describe the pains more as a major discomfort: burning sensations, tingling, or just a hard-to-place sense that a limb does not feel normal.
The patients with these pains do not normally raise red flags during the main medical examinations. Schenker said: “We check their lung and hearts and they have no disease, and they have no neurological issues. We do scans and can’t see anything, but they have this pain — we’re told about it again and again.”
- "More than half the patients, weeks after testing negative, are still symptomatic".
- Insomnia
- Difficulty in walking.
- Breathing problems
- Sense of taste and smell, lost
- Depression
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It won't happen because the government haven't got the gumption to make it happen. It's another of their 'half a strategy failures'. If they had the gumption it would be easy to recruit new officials and lay down the rules. The guidance needs to become firm rules with penalties if broken - like other countries do. It's only for a few months and the people who are told to quarantine will only need to do so for two weeks. It's not too much to ask to save lives and peoples jobs.
Who are these officials?
- Some will be recruited from people who are currently not working - in the same way that they recruited the first 25 thousand. There may still be a large number of applicants on file that can be called upon.
- There could be graduates who are struggling to get work in the current economic climate who would be glad of a temporary role. Particularly if they are graduates in 'Public Policy', 'law enforcement' or similar disciplines. Thousands of them will have just this month finished their degrees.
- Some could be temporarily re-deployed from other public roles such as traffic wardens, benefit fraud investigators etc. However, I don't think this would be necessary since it would be easy enough to recruit a few thousand more.
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Similar ethnic diversity in these places. As I posted above. May be due to living style. Ie more to a house which is common in some cultures compared to ours.Billy Balfour wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:07 pmData reveals coronavirus hotspots in Bradford, Barnsley and Rochdale
https://bit.ly/3eQgTbL
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Meanwhile.... Back in the real world.... All would need conviction checks... Guidence would have to be transferred into legislation, are you going to force these graduates and unemployed to do it, or just hope they all apply, get interviewed etc etc...... Oh, and perhaps we could kit them out with what these other, successful countries do.... Or maybe they wouldn't want to be armed.UnderSeige wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:53 pmIt won't happen because the government haven't got the gumption to make it happen. It's another of their 'half a strategy failures'. If they had the gumption it would be easy to recruit new officials and lay down the rules. The guidance needs to become firm rules with penalties if broken - like other countries do. It's only for a few months and the people who are told to quarantine will only need to do so for two weeks. It's not too much to ask to save lives and peoples jobs.
Who are these officials?
- Some will be recruited from people who are currently not working - in the same way that they recruited the first 25 thousand. There may still be a large number of applicants on file that can be called upon.
- There could be graduates who are struggling to get work in the current economic climate who would be glad of a temporary role. Particularly if they are graduates in 'Public Policy', 'law enforcement' or similar disciplines. Thousands of them will have just this month finished their degrees.
Just imagine if it was world war two instead of coronavirus. You would be saying "oh dear where are all the air raid wardens going to come from (put that light out)? Who are these people who are going to become local defence volunteers to guard our aerodromes (don't tell him Pike)? Oh no there's no one to pick the troops up off the Dunkirk beaches? Who's going to work in our war industries? Where are the people for our land army? Oh no! Oh dear! Oh dear We've had it. We're doomed! Doomed!"
- Some could be temporarily re-deployed from other public roles such as traffic wardens, benefit fraud investigators etc. However, I don't think this would be necessary since it would be easy enough to recruit a few thousand more.
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Taken from a tweet somebody on here shared: https://www.ft.com/content/301c847c-a31 ... 66933d423a
Does this mean, we have no idea of whether where we live is actually rising in cases, due to most cases being hidden from us?
Does this mean, we have no idea of whether where we live is actually rising in cases, due to most cases being hidden from us?
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That last graphic is slightly misleading. The 7 day rolling average is a better indication and that has fallen from 1087 new cases average on June 24th to 946 rolling average today which is a 13% reduction
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CV abating in Scotland? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53251192
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Who do you think you are kidding Mr Grumps?Grumps wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:02 pmMeanwhile.... Back in the real world.... All would need conviction checks... Guidence would have to be transferred into legislation, are you going to force these graduates and unemployed to do it, or just hope they all apply, get interviewed etc etc...... Oh, and perhaps we could kit them out with what these other, successful countries do.... Or maybe they wouldn't want to be armed.
In the real world:
- Government have recruited around 25,000 already.
- The NHS already employ Clinical Contact Caseworkers - even before coronavirus.
- People want to gain employment to earn money to spend on things.
- People want to have experiences to put on their CV when times are difficult for finding work.
- People starting out in work want to get that first foot on the career ladder.
- A lot of people would like a career in the NHS and this is a first step to that career. Especially if they want to become a permanent Clinical Contact Caseworker with good pay and pension.
- The advert for contact tracers stated that the job has the potential to become a permanent role since contact tracers are likely going to be a “long-term requirement due to the current pandemic”.
- Government, NHS, Public Health England etc recruit new employees on a daily basis.
- Conviction checks can be carried out quite quickly. Especially if applications are made through GRS The Governments streamlined recruiting system or similar. https://civilservice.blog.gov.uk/2019/0 ... ent-level/
- The 'Coronavirus Act 2020' will likely cover any necessary legal requirements.
- If any further legislation is necessary (which is unlikely) it can be made swiftly. Especially with a government that has a massive majority and an opposition that would more than likely be in favour.
- Other countries are sending officials to check up on people who are supposed to be isolating. I have not heard anything about shootouts with guns in these countries.
- The officials won't need guns. The only time that fines would be issued is when the people are not in.
- When officials visit they would do so on a very polite and friendly basis enquiring if the quarantined people are alright and asking if they need any help or information. If they are 'not in' a notice would be served giving the person a number of days to explain why.
- The vast majority of people will comply with the quarantine. Some out of duty and some to avoid the fine. This is the objective of the exercise to isolate all people who have, or are at high risk of having, the disease.
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I appreciate the time you've taken, so feel it only fair to replyUnderSeige wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:56 pmWho do you think you are kidding Mr Grumps?
In the real world:
- Government have recruited around 25,000 already.
- The NHS already employ Clinical Contact Caseworkers - even before coronavirus.
- People want to gain employment to earn money to spend on things.
- People want to have experiences to put on their CV when times are difficult for finding work.
- People starting out in work want to get that first foot on the career ladder.
- A lot of people would like a career in the NHS and this is a first step to that career. Especially if they want to become a permanent Clinical Contact Caseworker with good pay and pension.
- The advert for contact tracers stated that the job has the potential to become a permanent role since contact tracers are likely going to be a “long-term requirement due to the current pandemic”.
- Government, NHS, Public Health England etc recruit new employees on a daily basis.
- Conviction checks can be carried out quite quickly. Especially if applications are made through GRS The Governments streamlined recruiting system or similar. https://civilservice.blog.gov.uk/2019/0 ... ent-level/
- The 'Coronavirus Act 2020' will likely cover any necessary legal requirements.
- If any further legislation is necessary (which is unlikely) it can be made swiftly. Especially with a government that has a massive majority and an opposition that would more than likely be in favour.
- Other countries are sending officials to check up on people who are supposed to be isolating. I have not heard anything about shootouts with guns in these countries.
- The officials won't need guns. The only time that fines would be issued is when the people are not in.
- When officials visit they would do so on a very polite and friendly basis enquiring if the quarantined people are alright and asking if they need any help or information. If they are 'not in' a notice would be served giving the person a number of days to explain why.
- The vast majority of people will comply with the quarantine. Some out of duty and some to avoid the fine. This is the objective of the exercise to isolate all people who have, or are at high risk of having, the disease.
None of your suggestions will happen, and as I said at the beginning it's down to individuals to self isolate, because it won't be policed. There are not going to be thousands of recently employed people knocking on doors to see if people are in, or not.
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Blue is non CoVid19 related and yellow is where CoVid19 is cited on the death certificate.
Figures are from the Office for National Statistics and relate to England and Wales only.
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I don't think it will happen either. I don't think that this government can grasp the need for a 'containment plan'. We are now just relying on luck. Let's hope that the virus runs out of steam or that an early vaccine is achieved.Grumps wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:17 pmI appreciate the time you've taken, so feel it only fair to reply
None of your suggestions will happen, and as I said at the beginning it's down to individuals to self isolate, because it won't be policed. There are not going to be thousands of recently employed people knocking on doors to see if people are in, or not.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... y-councils
The governments contract with Deloitte didn’t commit them to pass on the pillar 2 data to councils, meaning about 80% of new cases remain unknown to councils. It’s a staggering level of incompetence.
The governments contract with Deloitte didn’t commit them to pass on the pillar 2 data to councils, meaning about 80% of new cases remain unknown to councils. It’s a staggering level of incompetence.
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Another Failed Government Restriction that is not helping much but is damaging business and jobs.
"Tory MP Theresa Villiers said the travel industry had been "damaged" without cutting the Covid-19 risk".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53252096
"Tory MP Theresa Villiers said the travel industry had been "damaged" without cutting the Covid-19 risk".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53252096
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I'm sure they'll look after the UK and send a couple of boxes through the post. After all, we're their bezzy mate...
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https://uk.yahoo.com/news/ons-england-c ... 49569.html
Lets hope this weekends ease up doesnt cause an increase.
Lets hope this weekends ease up doesnt cause an increase.
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Stanley Johnson disregarding lockdown rules now,https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-53266552 clearly they believe the rules don't apply to them.
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Let's also hope those figures include Pillar 2. The Leicester numbers showed a drop in cases with Pillar 1, yet when Pillar 2 were added, it showed the spike in cases. It's hard to know which numbers to trust.bfcjg wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:41 pmhttps://uk.yahoo.com/news/ons-england-c ... 49569.html
Lets hope this weekends ease up doesnt cause an increase.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... villa.htmlbfcjg wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:41 pmhttps://uk.yahoo.com/news/ons-england-c ... 49569.html
Lets hope this weekends ease up doesnt cause an increase.
With examples like this (Michael Gove’s wife tweeted her approval of him circumventing the rules), I don’t hold out much hope for people to act with caution.
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No surprise. Trump wants to paper over the obscene cracks he's made so far.
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Gavin Williamson giving a govt press conference. The Q&As should be fun. I just can't take this guy seriously. Every time I see him my brain plays "Russia should go away and shut up" on repeat and then I imagine howls of laughter coming from the Kremlin.
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Williamson grates on me quite a lot. I find him false and weak.Billy Balfour wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:08 pmGavin Williamson giving a govt press conference. The Q&As should be fun. I just can't take this guy seriously. Every time I see him my brain plays "Russia should go away and shut up" on repeat and then I imagine howls of laughter coming from the Kremlin.