Covid-19

[evensteadiereddie]

Yea come round,but don't bring that bellend Eddie with ya

This coming from a bellend who believes the Covid-19 virus is man-made and who contributed yesterday to a thread bullying another poster so badly - again - the mods removed it.
Nah, you and your moronic buddies are welcome to each other.

[Gordaleman]

Unfortunately that was always going to be the case - putting economy before individuals health

But those politicians are vulnerable too, as we've already seen.

Not sure I'd like to be crammed together on those benches in a notoriously warm atmosphere, never mind be crammed together in the voting lobbies.

On the latter point, I think they are considering electronic voting.

[Steve1956]

This coming from a bellend who believes the Covid-19 virus is man-made and who contributed yesterday to a thread bullying another poster so badly - again - the mods removed it.
Nah, you and your moronic buddies are welcome to each other.

Hang on a minute i bullied no one

[Gordaleman]

Dr David Kelly after evidence at the Iraq enquiry for instance. Dammit! Let's stay on track That one made no sense to his family at all.

Spot on. He was about to tell people that there were no WOMD and the Iraqui dissidents who wanted war and provided the WOMD evidence, took him out while MI6 looked away.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Strange-Death- ... SP21H6QQXG

[evensteadiereddie]

S1956, you joined in the ****-taking/bullying of Imploding Turtle, with others, and so much so the thread was removed.
Anyway, carry on smoking/taking whatever it is you're on.
You're a credit to this board.

[dsr]

Unfortunately that was always going to be the case - putting economy before individuals health

Not really. If it's correct that younger people tend to be scarcely more affected than with flu, then there's a lot of sense in the idea of letting all the younger people get the infection out of the way while the older folk keep their heads down. Then when the younger folk have recovered there will be a lot fewer potential sources for the old people to get the disease from.

We can't stop the virus without a vaccine. And if we live in lockdown for a year or so before a vaccine comes, then the economy will be so trashed that people will be dying of everything else so there will be no net benefit.

Perhaps.

[Steve1956]

You joined in the ****-taking/bullying of Imploding Turtle, with others, and so much so the thread was removed.
Anyway, carry on smoking/taking whatever it is you're on. You're a credit to this board.

I started the thread saying i missed him....genuinely and never added to the thread so your accusations are wrong

[evensteadiereddie]

Yeah, yeah, it was only banter, honest.....

[Gordaleman]

Not really. If it's correct that younger people tend to be scarcely more affected than with flu, then there's a lot of sense in the idea of letting all the younger people get the infection out of the way while the older folk keep their heads down. Then when the younger folk have recovered there will be a lot fewer potential sources for the old people to get the disease from.

We can't stop the virus without a vaccine. And if we live in lockdown for a year or so before a vaccine comes, then the economy will be so trashed that people will be dying of everything else so there will be no net benefit.

Perhaps.

Good points.

[Steve1956]

Yeah, yeah, it was only banter, honest.....

Genuine thread i started ...i did no bullying your accusations are false pal

[Claret32yrs]

Spot on. He was about to tell people that there were no WOMD and the Iraqui dissidents who wanted war, took him out while MI6 looked away.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Strange-Death- ... SP21H6QQXG

That's a new one. Not heard that before.

[Gordaleman]

That's a new one. Not heard that before.

Read the book. It was written by an MP.

[evensteadiereddie]

S1956, your er, "genuine" thread certainly attracted a few of your like-minded pals, didn't it ? Purely accidentally, of course.
I'm not sure which is worse, the bullying or the cowardice.

Either way, the mods did the right thing thankfully.

Pal.

[Claret32yrs]

Read the book. It was written by an MP.

Oh I believe he was knocked off but not heard that theory.

[Hapag Lloyd]

S1956, you joined in the ****-taking/bullying of Imploding Turtle, with others, and so much so the thread was removed.
Anyway, carry on smoking/taking whatever it is you're on.
You're a credit to this board.

Did IT even see the thread he was being “bullied” on or are you just offended on his behalf?

[evensteadiereddie]

What difference does it make ?

[Steve1956]

S1956, your er, "genuine" thread certainly attracted a few of your like-minded pals, didn't it ? Purely accidentally, of course.
I'm not sure which is worse, the bullying or the cowardice.

Either way, the mods did the right thing thankfully.

Pal.

Get off your high horse pal i dont have any like minded buddies on here.....i posted asking if he had been banned or driven out....nothing else and you accuse me of bullying...your out of order pal.

[keith1879]

We're only toward the bottom because of time not our precautions or lack of, we're showing exactly the same 33% growth rate as pre-lock down Italy just 13 days behind.

I'm not sure where you get that stat from but happy to see it substantiated.
I would say that we have a much slower growth rate than Italy. I have ignored the early stages when only one or two cases existed...in both countries there has been a steady increase since around 20 cases were recorded.

Italy hit 20 cases on 21 February and 10 days later they had 2036 cases. (11 days later 2502)

UK hit 20 cases on 1 March, and 10 days later we have 452 (11 days later 596) ...that looks like a much slower growth rate (for whatever reason). The rate is of course not constant and appears in both cases to be increasing which is exactly what you would expect.

Edited to update figures

[evensteadiereddie]

Read my last post to you again.

Pal.

[Steve1956]

Read my last post again.

Pal.

I'd rather not your accusations against me are false and your out of order

[Gordaleman]

Oh I believe he was knocked off but not heard that theory.

Norman Baker Liberal MP wrote the book. If you're interested in learning more Google Norma Baker and look at Wikipedia.

[Hapag Lloyd]

What difference does it make ?

Are you IT’s mum ?

[martin_p]

So, summary of the PM’s press conference, more people are going to die, keep washing your hands. We seem to be the only country in the world that thinks this an appropriate response to the situation.

[FactualFrank]

So, summary of the PM’s press conference, more people are going to die, keep washing your hands. We seem to be the only country in the world that thinks this an appropriate response to the situation.

Looks to me from the reading I've done, that they are just going to let it happen and see who's left at the end.

[evensteadiereddie]

I'd rather not your accusations against me are false and your out of order

My what are out of order ?

Oh, you mean "you're".

Aye, fine, so you suddenly decided, out of the goodness of your heart, to enquire about the health and welfare of a poster you and your cronies have taken the pi$$ out of mercilessly over the past few months, so much so that for one reason or another, he decided to leave the board.

Absolute ******** and you've not even got the guts to admit it.

Well done, you must be so pleased with yourself.

[ClaretAndJew]

How have we not taken similar steps to literally loads of other countries?

[Spijed]

Not really. If it's correct that younger people tend to be scarcely more affected than with flu, then there's a lot of sense in the idea of letting all the younger people get the infection out of the way while the older folk keep their heads down. Then when the younger folk have recovered there will be a lot fewer potential sources for the old people to get the disease from.

We can't stop the virus without a vaccine. And if we live in lockdown for a year or so before a vaccine comes, then the economy will be so trashed that people will be dying of everything else so there will be no net benefit.

Perhaps.

But you could say the herding model has happened in Italy, with dire consequences.

[evensteadiereddie]

Looks to me from the reading I've done, that they are just going to let it happen and see who's left at the end.

Just watching Johnson and the medics' press conference and that's exactly what they are planning.

[martin_p]

How have we not taken similar steps to literally loads of other countries?

Because we have a clueless PM heading up a clueless government.

[evensteadiereddie]

Are you IT’s mum ?

No, are you ?

[Steve1956]

My what are out of order ?

Oh, you mean "you're".

Aye, fine, so you suddenly decided, out of the goodness of your heart, to enquire about the health and welfare of a poster you and your cronies have taken the pi$$ out of mercilessly over the past few months, so much so that for one reason or another, he decided to leave the board.

Absolute ******** and you've not even got the guts to admit it.

Well done, you must be so pleased with yourself.

Check back on those threads were IT contributed you will find no bullying of him by me

[Inchy]

Because we have a clueless PM heading up a clueless government.

I am no fan of BoJo or the tories, however I doubt Boris is calling the shots here.

[evensteadiereddie]

We're talking about yesterday's thread, S1956.
You know, the one that you started.
The one the mods removed.

[AlargeClaret]

I'm not sure where you get that stat from but happy to see it substantiated.
I would say that we have a much slower growth rate than Italy. I have ignored the early stages when only one or two cases existed...in both countries there has been a steady increase since around 20 cases were recorded.

Italy hit 20 cases on 21 February and 10 days later they had 2036 cases. (11 days later 2502)

UK hit 20 cases on 1 March, and 10 days later we have 452 (11 days later 596) ...that looks like a much slower growth rate (for whatever reason). The rate is of course not constant and appears in both cases to be increasing which is exactly what you would expect.

Edited to update figures

There’s no time here for measured fact based posting when knee jerk hysteria and “ twitter theory “ is the guiding light

[Im_not_Robbie_Blake]

What about this member of the IT family? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2ajHEdsdU4
NB A good way of protecting yourself from the virus - a VERY hairy face!

[Steve1956]

We're talking about yesterday's thread. You know, the one that you started. The one the mods removed.

Ok prove I bullied him or shut the **** up

[thatdberight]

Unfortunately that was always going to be the case - putting economy before individuals health

Balancing doesn't imply putting one before the other.

[dsr]

But you could say the herding model has happened in Italy, with dire consequences.

You could. But is their new system improving it?

I can see why people do or do not like the long term plan that Britain seems to have. But what about the long term plan other countries have? What is it? OK, so you shut the schools and shops and businesses and everyone stays at home for 6 weeks - but then what? Shut them for 6 weeks more? I've seen the long term plan for the UK and it has disadvantages. But so do all the other long term plans.

This disease can't be eradicated without a vaccine.

[Claret32yrs]

Because we have a clueless PM heading up a clueless government.

I totally fail to see what Boris Johnson is supposed to do. He's no medical expert. He's going off advice off the top NHS staff. Incidentally, regarded as the best in the world. Yet you and others think it's the Government's fault?! He, for me; is dealing with it better than many other countries. He's admitted he is not expert and why should he be? As the NHS expert said. What would be the benefit of closing schools? We all know damn well if we close schools, lots of 'parents' will let their kids run amock! Totally defeats the object. Yes! There are a lot of 'parents' who just don't give a crap about their kids across the country. I think I'd trust our NHS specialists over people on here. And to lay this at the Government's door is just plain ludicrous. Corbyn would have gone off the advice off the same people. These are not Tory NHS people, they're just NHS specialists. Quit bringing politics into it. It doesn't matter who was PM, this is a unique situation.

[Elizabeth]

Eddie, the way you hounded people on the Brexit thread I don't think you can be taken seriously when you accuse others of bullying

[evensteadiereddie]

Ok prove I bullied him or shut the **** up

A bit difficult to do with the thread that you started yesterday having been removed by the mods - because of bullying !

Significant, I think, that they took the whole thread down - including your innocent, well - meaning enquiry - and not just the occasional post.

Anyway, as I said, the mods did their job - trash like that thread has no place on this board. I think even you might be able to accept that.

If not, too bad.

[evensteadiereddie]

Eddie, the way you hounded people on the Brexit thread I don't think you can be taken seriously when you accuse others of bullying

Oh, Christ, here we go, he's back again.. "Hounded" as in not accepting everything you said regarding Brexit and your claims to have invented political expressions ? "Ivory tower ? " "Metropolitan bubble" ?
Even my pointing out of your - sorry, another poster's - autistic tendencies was done in good faith. Anybody who can bash out hundreds and hundreds of posts on the same aspects of the same topic, day after day, using exactly the same patterns, is in dire need of help. I even supplied helpful website links.
You confuse "hounding" with "challenging stupid claims."
I know you like to believe you are superior to the rest of us but the truth is your boring, empty and Brexit-obsessed life exposes you for the sadsack you are.
You even tried to take the p$$ out of me for going skiing.
So what do you do - post endlessly about Brexit. What a prick.

[levraiclaret]

I totally fail to see what Boris Johnson is supposed to do. He's no medical expert. He's going off advice off the top NHS staff. Incidentally, regarded as the best in the world. Yet you and others think it's the Government's fault?! He, for me; is dealing with it better than many other countries. He's admitted he is not expert and why should he be? As the NHS expert said. What would be the benefit of closing schools? We all know damn well if we close schools, lots of 'parents' will let their kids run amock! Totally defeats the object. Yes! There are a lot of 'parents' who just don't give a crap about their kids across the country. I think I'd trust our NHS specialists over people on here. And to lay this at the Government's door is just plain ludicrous. Corbyn would have gone off the advice off the same people. These are not Tory NHS people, they're just NHS specialists. Quit bringing politics into it. It doesn't matter who was PM, this is a unique situation.

They are taking advice from behavioural economists (the nudge people) not medical experts. They appear to be banking on covid 19 virus sweeping through the population and providing herd immunity down the line. there may be many deaths meanwhile amongst vulnerable groups - elderly, asthmatics, smokers.

[paulatky]

I totally fail to see what Boris Johnson is supposed to do. He's no medical expert. He's going off advice off the top NHS staff. Incidentally, regarded as the best in the world. Yet you and others think it's the Government's fault?! He, for me; is dealing with it better than many other countries. He's admitted he is not expert and why should he be? As the NHS expert said. What would be the benefit of closing schools? We all know damn well if we close schools, lots of 'parents' will let their kids run amock! Totally defeats the object. Yes! There are a lot of 'parents' who just don't give a crap about their kids across the country. I think I'd trust our NHS specialists over people on here. And to lay this at the Government's door is just plain ludicrous. Corbyn would have gone off the advice off the same people. These are not Tory NHS people, they're just NHS specialists. Quit bringing politics into it. It doesn't matter who was PM, this is a unique situation.

And a number of parents work in the NHS and if they took time off work to look after their kids ut would drastically reduce the NHS workforce any further

[Gordaleman]

A lot of good sense being spoken at the PMs press conference. Not much by Boris of course, (He's not a scientist.) but plenty by his advisers. (Not Dominic Cummings.)

So they are still not stopping football crowds despite yesterdays claims and that's very good news for a lot of little clubs who might now have a bit of breathing space.

It seems that they are trying to get a different curve on the graph to other European countries, and hopefully reduce the viruses impact having learned from what happened there.

[Claret32yrs]

They are taking advice from behavioural economists (the nudge people) not medical experts. They appear to be banking on covid 19 virus sweeping through the population and providing herd immunity down the line. there may be many deaths meanwhile amongst vulnerable groups - elderly, asthmatics, smokers.

Whichever way you look at it. They'd offer the same advice to whatever colour party was in office. It's a moot point!

[Zlatan]

They are taking advice from behavioural economists (the nudge people) not medical experts. They appear to be banking on covid 19 virus sweeping through the population and providing herd immunity down the line. there may be many deaths meanwhile amongst vulnerable groups - elderly, asthmatics, smokers.

Economic decision then... doing something to “fund” the NHS by removing the need for some...

[tongue firmly in cheek here]

[evensteadiereddie]

They are taking advice from behavioural economists (the nudge people) not medical experts. They appear to be banking on covid 19 virus sweeping through the population and providing herd immunity down the line. there may be many deaths meanwhile amongst vulnerable groups - elderly, asthmatics, smokers.

The final medic admitted as much - on an inevitably large scale.

[paulatky]

They are taking advice from behavioural economists (the nudge people) not medical experts. They appear to be banking on covid 19 virus sweeping through the population and providing herd immunity down the line. there may be many deaths meanwhile amongst vulnerable groups - elderly, asthmatics, smokers.

Agree with that in a way.

Putting economic health ahead of personal health

[Claret32yrs]

A lot of good sense being spoken at the PMs press conference. Not much by Boris of course, (He's not a scientist.) but plenty by his advisers. (Not Dominic Cummings.)

So they are still not stopping football crowds despite yesterdays claims and that's very good news for a lot of little clubs who might now have a bit of breathing space.

It seems that they are trying to get a different curve on the graph to other European countries, and hopefully reduce the viruses impact having learned from what happened there.

Therein is my point. It doesn't matter who was PM. None of them would have an answer. It's a case of winging it and taking advice off those better qualified. Amazing how many people think a PM should be an expert on everything.