Covid-19

[thatdberight]

The graph says outside China though the point made was declining cases inside China.

Gordaleman said, " Worldwide cases are actually going down fast... "

Here's the graph you need to know that's wrong.

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[BurnleyFC]

Don’t bother washing your hands full stop.

It’ll make your immune system ten times better introducing it to lots of germs.

[Lowbankclaret]

WHOLE of Italy put on lockdown.

But it’s just flu, meh

[bfcjg]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/doctors-faceb ... 07495.html

[Jakubclaret]

It was a knocking bet, just a matter of time before things became more serious.

[bfcjg]

WHOLE of Italy put on lockdown.

But it’s just flu, meh

In true Italian tradition in a while they'll change sides and stop fighting it.

[Clarinetclaret]

Strange then, that even though this virus has been going around the world for three months now, there are still less than 4,000 deaths worldwide, yet Flu kills 9,000 a year on average, just in the UK.

You're right. All the governments and experts who are dealing with this virus daily should really consult with you instead. Your use of Google is worth more than any PhD in virology.
I suppose they're spending all this money and implementing all these measures just for the craic. Do you think?
You really are a buffoon of the highest order. Your credibility was shot when you mentioned your local chemist. Also to keep harping on about the flu is just pathetic. FLU HAS A VACCINE!
Has Italy ever put 16 million people on lockdown for Flu? Do you think they've googled their information before coming to this decision? They've consulted with experts not some silly old fart on a message board who has no qualifications in this field whatsoever.
Or do you have qualifications in virology which you havent bothered to tell us about? So do please tell us where you're getting your expert knowledge from.

[Clarinetclaret]

WHOLE of Italy put on lockdown.

But it’s just flu, meh

They should have spoke to Gordaleman.

[mdd2]

FLU HAS A VACCINE!
A bit of perspective around flu and a vaccine, its efficacy varies from year to year depending upon which strain of flu is doing the rounds and of course does not protect from influenza B. There is also a weak antiviral tamiflu which reduces the severity of the illness if started within a day of becoming ill.
A large observational study in the Annals of Internal Medicine showed that in the over 65's vaccination against flu did not reduce the number of admissions to hospital citing a poorer immune response in the elderly reducing the effectiveness of the vaccine.
The problem with Covid-19 is the newness of it for homo sapiens although some on here are perhaps not sapiens which may of course protect them.

[Lowbankclaret]

You're right. All the governments and experts who are dealing with this virus daily should really consult with you instead. Your use of Google is worth more than any PhD in virology.
I suppose they're spending all this money and implementing all these measures just for the craic. Do you think?
You really are a buffoon of the highest order. Your credibility was shot when you mentioned your local chemist. Also to keep harping on about the flu is just pathetic. FLU HAS A VACCINE!
Has Italy ever put 16 million people on lockdown for Flu? Do you think they've googled their information before coming to this decision? They've consulted with experts not some silly old fart on a message board who has no qualifications in this field whatsoever.
Or do you have qualifications in virology which you havent bothered to tell us about? So do please tell us where you're getting your expert knowledge from.

Let’s stay calm and not attack our clarets friends. Whilst I agree, let’s stay calm.

It’s nice to be nice.

[mdd2]

Isn't all of Italy now in lockdown now? This is far more serious than flu but could if handled correctly result in fewer deaths but has the potential to cause a lot of deaths. China seems to be getting things under control which is good news if we can emulate their tactics, but whether we can in our more free society-visions of challenges to the High Court by friends of the earth if we try lockdown.

[Gordaleman]

Interesting how this graph does not quite agree with you.


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What has THAT graph got to do with China? Absolutely nothing. If you're going to argue, at least try a bit harder.

Yes, cases outside China are still rising, but the total cases I was referring to are falling.

[Gordaleman]

WHOLE of Italy put on lockdown.

But it’s just flu, meh

No one, that I'm aware of, has said "It's just Flu." Certainly not me. However, Britain's Chief Medical Officer today mentioned that "9,000 people die every year in Britain, and no one's panicking about that." Ring any bells?

[Lowbankclaret]

What has THAT graph got to do with China? Absolutely nothing. If you're going to argue, at lest try a bit harder.

Yes, cases outside China are still rising, but the total cases I was referring to are falling.

So China locked down 60 million people, you denied the reduction in cases is anything to with the lockdown.

Yes cases in China are falling due to the measures imposed.

It’s rising outside of China, and Italy have realised why .

Hence the lockdown.

I know you cannot see it or why it is.

[Gordaleman]

FLU HAS A VACCINE!
A bit of perspective around flu and a vaccine, its efficacy varies from year to year depending upon which strain of flu is doing the rounds and of course does not protect from influenza B. There is also a weak antiviral tamiflu which reduces the severity of the illness if started within a day of becoming ill.
A large observational study in the Annals of Internal Medicine showed that in the over 65's vaccination against flu did not reduce the number of admissions to hospital citing a poorer immune response in the elderly reducing the effectiveness of the vaccine.
The problem with Covid-19 is the newness of it for homo sapiens although some on here are perhaps not sapiens which may of course protect them.

I really don't know why some people keep saying FLU has a vaccine. Everyone knows that and even with that vaccine, it kills about 650,000 worldwide every year, including an average 9,000 in the UK. To me, that makes Flu even more dangerous than Covid 19.

[Gordaleman]

So China locked down 60 million people, you denied the reduction in cases is anything to with the lockdown.

Yes cases in China are falling due to the measures imposed.

It’s rising outside of China, and Italy have realised why .

Hence the lockdown.

I know you cannot see it or why it is.

Yet again, you say I've said something that I haven't. I have NEVER said the reduction in cases in China had nothing to do with the lockdown.

Do you always make things up and tell lies as you go along?

[mdd2]

But you will note Gordaleman that the vaccine aint that good especially for those who suffer most from flu and your theory that flu is worse than Covid-19 will remain a hypothesis until we have much more information about this virus.
How did the snooker go?

[Gordaleman]

Gordaleman said, " Worldwide cases are actually going down fast... "

Here's the graph you need to know that's wrong.
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Believe it or not, the whole world includes China.

[Gordaleman]

But you will note Gordaleman that the vaccine aint that good especially for those who suffer most from flu and your theory that flu is worse than Covid-19 will remain a hypothesis until we have much more information about this virus.
How did the snooker go?

Snooker was good thanks.

All I can say is that you are right about Flu and older people. That's why it's so bloody dangerous.

Because of the massive falls in Covid 19 cases in China, there are now a lot less cases than previously, though they have risen slighly again in the last 24 to 48 hours. (See chart thatedberight nitpicking.) That's just because he doesn't like to admit the Chief Medical officer compared it to Flu today and said no one panicks about that.

Yes, Covid 19 will remain a hypothisis until we have more info about it, but it has an awful long way to go before it kills as many as Flu. It's crazy how people say because Flu has a vaccine, it's not a problem. What planet are they from?

[NewClaret]

Basically a big fuss about nothing. Everyone loves a crisis, especially the markets.

If you’re old or have underlying health conditions, be sensible. Otherwise, perspective needed.

Will concede Boris should have stopped all flights returning from China and northern Italy though.

[thatdberight]

Believe it or not, the whole world includes China.

That graph is for the whole of the world.

Not that you care about the truth since your only response is lying about the stats.

Here's the split. Get a friend to add it up for you.

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[thatdberight]

Snooker was good thanks.

All I can say is that you are right about Flu and older people. That's why it's so bloody dangerous.

Because of the massive falls in Covid 19 cases in China, there are now a lot less cases than previously, though they have risen slighly again in the last 24 to 48 hours. (See chart thatedberight nitpicking.) That's just because he doesn't like to admit the Chief Medical officer compared it to Flu today and said no one panicks about that.

Yes, Covid 19 will remain a hypothisis until we have more info about it, but it has an awful long way to go before it kills as many as Flu. It's crazy how people say because Flu has a vaccine, it's not a problem. What planet are they from?

"Covid 19 will remain a hypothisis"

WTAF does that even mean?

[Gordaleman]

Basically a big fuss about nothing. Everyone loves a crisis, especially the markets.

If you’re old or have underlying health conditions, be sensible. Otherwise, perspective needed.

Will concede Boris should have stopped all flights returning from China and northern Italy though.

They explained why they didn't stop flights or check passenger earlier today. They said it just doesn't work. Italy did so, and look at them tonight.

[If it be your will]

Gordaleman is basically the coronavirus equivalent of Comical Ali, the Iraqi information minister:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF_D9ILqmQo

The virus isn't bad...we crush the virus and it ran into the desert like rats...we expelled the virus from the airports, and we crush them...the virus is a snake retreating to the desert...Virus? We burned the virus in hell. It is retreating...

[thatdberight]

Gordaleman, " Worldwide cases are actually going down fast."

Shown they're actually rising.

Gordaleman, "Nitpicking..."

[thatdberight]

Gordaleman is basically the coronavirus equivalent of Comical Ali, the Iraqi information minister:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF_D9ILqmQo

The virus isn't bad...we crush the virus and it ran into the desert like rats...we expelled the virus from the airports, and we crush them...the virus is a snake retreating to the desert...Virus? We burned the virus in hell. It is retreating...

I'll be honest, his approach to facts remind me mostly of another septuagenarian. I wonder does he sport an orange hue and a flamboyant hairstyle.

[Gordaleman]

That graph is for the whole of the world.

Not that you care about the truth since your only response is lying about the stats.

Here's the split. Get a friend to add it up for you.
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I've got that whole graph printed out in from of me, not just a small section and it clearly shows the massive falls in China. That in turn reduced the whole world figures, although as I accepted in an earlier post, they have gone back up slightly in the last 48 hours.

You just don't like the fact that I've been comparing this to Flu for weeks , and now the Chief Medical Officer has said the same thing today. He said that Flu kills 9,000 a year in Britain, and no one panics about that. I suppose he's not a good enough expert for you?

[Gordaleman]

I'll be honest, his approach to facts remind me mostly of another septuagenarian. I wonder does he sport an orange hue and a flamboyant hairstyle.

Usual sarcastic rubbish. It kills your credibilty. Not that you ever had much.

[thatdberight]

I've got that whole graph printed out in from of me, not just a small section and it clearly shows the massive falls in China. That in turn reduced the whole world figures, although as I accepted in an earlier post, they have gone back up slightly in the last 48 hours.

You just don't like the fact that I've been comparing this to Flu for weeks , and now the Chief Medical Officer has said the same thing today. He said that Flu kills 9,000 a year in Britain, and no one panics about that. I suppose he's not a good enough expert for you?

I haven't seen his comments for myself yet but will try to do so tonight.

Your skills in comprehension, interpretation and reporting, as well as your lack of probity mean I'll have to check it myself rather than take your version at face value. But, unlike you, I have followed the science and the scientists as best I can so if he says this is no more serious than a flu season, that'll be great I assume it would also be accompanied by his resignation as he railed against the government's over-reaction.

Edit: Can't see anything online about it - nothing today apart from his involvement in the PM's press conference. Maybe it'll make the papers tomorrow.

[Gordaleman]

See, you're now putting words in my mouth. Where did I say that he said "It is no more serious than Flu." I didn't.

Ask Grumps what he said because he posted the same as me.

Stop misquoting me.

[paulatky]

As I have said before the economic cost will be greater than the human cost.

Just how many League One and Two clubs will survive if games have to be played behind closed doors in a few weeks time

[Zlatan]

As I have said before the economic cost will be greater than the human cost.

Just how many League One and Two clubs will survive if games have to be played behind closed doors in a few weeks time

Christ man, people are dying and you’re worried about money...!

[of course I understand the issue, I’m just massively over reacting as is the expectation in today’s society]

[Jakubclaret]

Christ man, people are dying and you’re worried about money...!

[of course I understand the issue, I’m just massively over reacting as is the expectation in today’s society]

That might be the case, but that doesn't help to pay the bills, it's normal for people to be worried about money, especially if renting, if the worst happened some of us could have a mortgage holiday or interest only short term.

[paulatky]

Why are we 15 days behind them? What's your basis for that, statistically or on some other quote]


Top expert this morning says the UK is very likely to follow what’s happening in Italy !!!

[thatdberight]

"Top expert". Who? Where? When? Source?

[paulatky]

Christ man, people are dying and you’re worried about money...!

[of course I understand the issue, I’m just massively over reacting as is the expectation in today’s society]

To the large majority of people the economic effects are going to be felt far more widely and adversely than the health effects.

I predicted the stock market falls a few weeks ago so yesterday’s bloodbath came as no surprise to me.

People in general are now starting to realise that this is far more serious than seasonal flu

[Grumps]

See, you're now putting words in my mouth. Where did I say that he said "It is no more serious than Flu." I didn't.

Ask Grumps what he said because he posted the same as me.

Stop misquoting me.

Gordaleman, I think the trouble for some on here is they cannot digest what is being said or written. The chief medical officer only used the comparison with flu in respect of numbers dying, not likening the two viruses, just to show that this virus hasn't reached the severity in deaths as flu. Which is what both you and I said
However certain people, unable to comprehend what was being said, thought it was being likened to flu, as in symptoms etc, and use that inability to understand arguments to hurl abuse at yourself, which was completely out of order .

[Jakubclaret]

To the large majority of people the economic effects are going to be felt far more widely and adversely than the health effects.

I predicted the stock market falls a few weeks ago so yesterday’s bloodbath came as no surprise to me.

People in general are now starting to realise that this is far more serious than seasonal flu

Some of us on here we knew from day 1 or had strong grounded suspicions that it was serious, alarm bells started ringing for me when the Chinese whistleblowing doctor was conveniently silenced. Me & you & a few others have been on the ball all along.

[thatdberight]

Gordaleman, I think the trouble for some on here is they cannot digest what is being said or written. The chief medical officer only used the comparison with flu in respect of numbers dying, not likening the two viruses, just to show that this virus hasn't reached the severity in deaths as flu. Which is what both you and I said
However certain people, unable to comprehend what was being said, thought it was being likened to flu, as in symptoms etc, and use that inability to understand arguments to hurl abuse at yourself, which was completely out of order .

Thanks, Grumps. Since I haven't hurled abuse any user in regards the words of the CMO yesterday, I'll assume that's not me.

If the CMO said this hasn't reached anything like the same level of deaths as flu, that's obviously factual and obviously obvious. If he said panic is unnecessary and pointless, that's what I'd expect and is true. If he said that we face other health threats every year that are significant and people should remember that as context, again - no surprise.

However, if he said or implied that this virus, if we don't take significant steps, is no more dangerous than a flu season or implied that the excess deaths from it could only be in the same region as a flu season, that would surprise me.

[Zlatan]

Some of us on here we knew from day 1 or had strong grounded suspicions that it was serious, alarm bells started ringing for me when the Chinese whistleblowing doctor was conveniently silenced. Me & you & a few others have been on the ball all along.

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[paulatky]

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Very childish ,thought you were above that.

Anyway time for breakfast before a corporate hospitality day at Cheltenham.

[Zlatan]

Very childish ,thought you were above that.

Anyway time for breakfast before a corporate hospitality day at Cheltenham.

No, I'll tell you what's childish. It's users wanting, above all else, to be "right" about something and to rub other users noses in it. By saying this, I am in no way agreeing that anything you or the other doom-mongers is saying is "right", but thats exactly how you're coming across.

[Jakubclaret]

No, I'll tell you what's childish. It's users wanting, above all else, to be "right" about something and to rub other users noses in it. By saying this, I am in no way agreeing that anything you or the other doom-mongers is saying is "right", but thats exactly how you're coming across.

Attitudes like that aren't helping the situation, sometimes when people early on have been warning what's going to happen & it as happened & is still happening, it's time to take a backseat & think hey up so & so said this last week or however long ago & that person had a point & was right & they clearly know what they are talking about, it the same recurring theme, the questions are there & some posters time after time get the answers right.

[Zlatan]

Attitudes like that aren't helping the situation, sometimes when people early on have been warning what's going to happen & it as happened & is still happening, it's time to take a backseat & think hey up so & so said this last week or however long ago & that person had a point & was right & they clearly know what they are talking about, it the same recurring theme, the questions are there & some posters time after time get the answers right.

I understand what your saying but an amount of what is posted on here is absolute rubbish and that includes information from the users I’m referring to (that includes you), so when you suggest we agree that “oh, he was right last week about the escalation”, he must also be right about “using deep heat on my anus because he said that too”, or don’t you understand that. And for some posters the fact that they want to be “right” means they don’t appear to actually care about what is happening.

[thatdberight]

Attitudes like that aren't helping the situation, sometimes when people early on have been warning what's going to happen & it as happened & is still happening, it's time to take a backseat & think hey up so & so said this last week or however long ago & that person had a point & was right & they clearly know what they are talking about, it the same recurring theme, the questions are there & some posters time after time get the answers right.

Who's "got it right" time after time? Which posters?

[Gordaleman]

Thanks, Grumps. Since I haven't hurled abuse any user in regards the words of the CMO yesterday, I'll assume that's not me.

If the CMO said this hasn't reached anything like the same level of deaths as flu, that's obviously factual and obviously obvious. If he said panic is unnecessary and pointless, that's what I'd expect and is true. If he said that we face other health threats every year that are significant and people should remember that as context, again - no surprise.

However, if he said or implied that this virus, if we don't take significant steps, is no more dangerous than a flu season or implied that the excess deaths from it could only be in the same region as a flu season, that would surprise me.

There you go, twisting my words again to try and justify your lies about me. He didn't say ANY of the things you state above and I didn't say he did. I told you what he said, I can almost quote it word for word. He said, " People should remember that 9,000 people a year die from Flu in this country, and no one is panicking about that." That's all I wrote on these bulletin boards but what he said, is what I've been riduculed for, for weeks now.

Grumps wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:43 am
Gordaleman, I think the trouble for some on here is they cannot digest what is being said or written. The chief medical officer only used the comparison with flu in respect of numbers dying, not likening the two viruses, just to show that this virus hasn't reached the severity in deaths as flu. Which is what both you and I said.

Read the last eight words from Grumps at least.

[Jakubclaret]

I understand what your saying but an amount of what is posted on here is absolute rubbish and that includes information from the users I’m referring to (that includes you), so when you suggest we agree that “oh, he was right last week about the escalation”, he must also be right about “using deep heat on my anus because he said that too”, or don’t you understand that. And for some posters the fact that they want to be “right” means they don’t appear to actually care about what is happening.

You just have to apply common sense, regarding any suggestions or recommendations about any anus problems you better off seeing your GP, or if it's something obvious like farmer giles, anusol or preparation H would be the favourite, I know it's only an example you've used by the way. Regarding the virus I think everybody is concerned because it could affect us or our family.

[Jakubclaret]

Who's "got it right" time after time? Which posters?

You are looking at 1700 posts. Rounded up to nearest 100 assuming another 3 might go in by the time of posted.

[thatdberight]

There you go, twisting my words again to try and justify your lies about me. He didn't say ANY of the things you state above and I didn't say he did. I told you what he said, I can almost quote it word for word. He said, " People should remember that 9,000 people a year die from Flu in this country, and no one is panicking about that." That's all I wrote on these bulletin boards but what he said, is what I've been riduculed for, for weeks now.

I can't find that quote although I'd agree with it and have done repeatedly. Flu, due to immunity and vaccines, has no more capacity to kill people than the 17,000 a year that it does (average last 5 seasons).

That can't be said about this current problem.

[Gordaleman]

Thanks, Grumps. Since I haven't hurled abuse any user in regards the words of the CMO yesterday, I'll assume that's not me.

If the CMO said this hasn't reached anything like the same level of deaths as flu, that's obviously factual and obviously obvious. If he said panic is unnecessary and pointless, that's what I'd expect and is true. If he said that we face other health threats every year that are significant and people should remember that as context, again - no surprise.

However, if he said or implied that this virus, if we don't take significant steps, is no more dangerous than a flu season or implied that the excess deaths from it could only be in the same region as a flu season, that would surprise me.

Again in this post, you say things that no one has said, just to try and justify your angry responses. He didn't say any of the stuff you quote above, so why are you suggesting he mat have done?