Covid-19

[thatdberight]

Bloody hell!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51787238

[Zlatan]

Bloody hell!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51787238

Im curious as to why the BBC have it under the Middle East section considering it’s in Italy

[AlargeClaret]

Be catapulting loaves of bread to em

[Burnleyareback2]

Sad today when I picked my dad up and he said this is likely to be the last game of his season.

I think the next week is going to be a big one unfortunately.

[Cirrus_Minor]

Saw a bloke tonight in the JHU concourse wearing a mask. Obviously taking precautions before the match.

[paulatky]

Saw a bloke tonight in the JHU concourse wearing a mask. Obviously taking precautions before the match.

And in the lower concourse.
And guys queueing to wash their hands.
Good that people are taking it seriously

[dsr]

Would have a very serious effect on the economy which will take a long time to recover from.

The government will have to decide between personal health and economic health and unfortunately I think I know what they will choose

Individuals who think the government is wrong can make the same choice themselves. It is perfectly permissible, and indeed practical, for an individual to give up his or her job, stockpile as much food etc as they can afford, and simply lock themselves up and let nothing (bar water) and no-one into the house.

There is a lot of very cheap food at the moment. Porridge, for example, about 5p per dish if the cheapest oats are used and made with water. Frozen peas and other veg £4 for 5 bags at FarmFoods, ie. about 50 per pound. Sugar 60 per pound bag, bread 75p per loaf (if you have a big freezer) and long life milk £5 for 12 litres, also from FarmFoods. There are bargains to be had.

[Lowbankclaret]

I saw these stats yesterday for Italy, it states 99% of people who have sadly passed are above 60 years old.

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[Lowbankclaret]

Now here is an article that’s providing an interesting perspective of a country severely affected by the SARS virus and understands what the impact can be. It has prepared itself for this and I have to say immediately implemented precautions and it appears its working.
Perhaps we could learn something from this.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... SApp_Other

[Bfcboyo]

With Coronavirus out in the community spreading will we see a big spike next week after a weekend of footy and large numbers of people in close contact?

I've been saying for weeks we will be in a situation like Italy in the next few months it is pretty obvious.

[Zlatan]

It’s almost like our government want this to happen, by this I mean mass media frenzy and panic etc, but then I remember who our government is and realise what a stupid thought that is...

[thatdberight]

With Coronavirus out in the community spreading will we see a big spike next week after a weekend of footy and large numbers of people in close contact?

I've been saying for weeks we will be in a situation like Italy in the next few months it is pretty obvious.

If we do see a continuing rise in the rate of new cases (seems likely now from what's being said), football will be a drop in the ocean in terms of how it happened.

[paulatky]

New measures in Italy this morning put a quarter of the population on lock down.Schools,museums,gyms,nightclubs etc closed across the country until at least 3rd April.

The UK is 4 weeks behind Italy.

The situation is very serious yet some people are still saying its no worse than flu

[paulatky]

It’s almost like our government want this to happen, by this I mean mass media frenzy and panic etc, but then I remember who our government is and realise what a stupid thought that is...

Have you seen the measures taken in Italy this morning?

The UK government preparing for a “ central” figure of 100,000 additional deaths as a result of the virus.

[Zlatan]

Have you seen the measures taken in Italy this morning?

The UK government preparing for a “ central” figure of 1000,000 additional deaths as a result of the virus.

Yes I have seen the news, hence my post. Sorry but where exactly have you got 1M additional deaths from?

[Gordaleman]

Have you seen the measures taken in Italy this morning?

The UK government preparing for a “ central” figure of 1000,000 additional deaths as a result of the virus.

There you go again, taking comments out of context to suit your doomsday scenario. Not only that, you add a 0 to the quoted figure.

The 100,000 case projecection is a 'Worst case' situation. They are not saying that they EXPECT it to happen but are trying to prepare for the possibility.

Do you realise just what proportion of the population 100,000 is? We have 49,000 citys towns and villages in the UK. 100,000 is just two people per community on average.

Put things in perspective and stop panicking.

[thatdberight]

Yes I have seen the news, hence my post. Sorry but where exactly have you got 1M additional deaths from?

Not the first time on this thread people have been unable to correctly firm a number.

[Lord Beamish]

Have you seen the measures taken in Italy this morning?

The UK government preparing for a “ central” figure of 1000,000 additional deaths as a result of the virus.

1,000,000? The predicted mortality rate for those infected is about 3%. If the whole 70m people in Britain contracted this illness, that would equate to about 210,000 deaths.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... eath-rate/

[Gordaleman]

Have you seen the measures taken in Italy this morning?

The UK government preparing for a “ central” figure of 1000,000 additional deaths as a result of the virus.

The best Boris and his crew have come up with so far is to bluster on about singing Happy Birthday twice while washing your hands. Talk about a headless chicken.

[paulatky]

1,000,000? The predicted mortality rate for those infected is about 3%. If the whole 70m people in Britain contracted this illness, that would equate to about 210,000 deaths.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... eath-rate/

You have miscalculated.

In your scenario it would be 2.1m not 210,000 !!

[Zlatan]

So far 2 people have died in the UK. Both elderly with underlying health conditions.

My father is 82, has Parkinson’s and chronic heart failure, if he contracts this virus it is more likely that he will die as a result. As horrid as it sounds, I personally would welcome his death because he’s suffered enough lately. He is bed bound and unable to care for himself.

Yet should he die from this virus (which according to the actual stats, he has about a 1 in 10 chance of dying if he gets it) then his death will be attributed to Coronavirus but in reality he will have died from Parkinson’s, heart failure and old age.

[Zlatan]

Not the first time on this thread people have been unable to correctly firm a number.

Indeed, I try to question it without ridicule though. I know some posters have a genuine fear of this due to their own circumstances which I understand.

[Lord Beamish]

You have miscalculated.

In your scenario it would be 2.1m not 210,000 !!

Ha! Doh. I missed a zero from my initial sum.

Still. 70m of us are not going to get Corona Virus.

In Wuhan, where the initial outbreak was, out of a popular of 11m only about 150,000 cases were reported.

[Gordaleman]

It is looking like a death rate of 2% not all that different from a new influenza virus where there is little or no immunity. In reality it will be less than 2% as there will be those who have only a mild infection and do not come to attention of the health care system. If it gets hold here then our NHS will be swamped given the state it is already in. The great and good may think we are prepared and I am sure we are to a degree but if we get an epidemic with 2% of those infected needing a hospital bed-watch out.
We run a system which over the years has reduced NHS beds to such an extent that there is now no slack.

When this is all over, it will give the Tories (Who have run the NHS down for years.) the excuse to sell the NHS off. They will probably use the excuse of 'Massive new funding' from America.

NHS safe in their hands? Yeh, right.

[Lowbankclaret]

So far 2 people have died in the UK. Both elderly with underlying health conditions.

My father is 82, has Parkinson’s and chronic heart failure, if he contracts this virus it is more likely that he will die as a result. As horrid as it sounds, I personally would welcome his death because he’s suffered enough lately. He is bed bound and unable to care for himself.

Yet should he die from this virus (which according to the actual stats, he has about a 1 in 10 chance of dying if he gets it) then his death will be attributed to Coronavirus but in reality he will have died from Parkinson’s, heart failure and old age.

My mother thinks if she gets it she will die too. She struggles breathing with her severe asthma most days.

She has done her funeral plan in the last couple of days, because she knows I would be useless.

I hope it does not come to that.

[taio]

When this is all over, it will give the Tories (Who have run the NHS down for years.) the excuse to sell the NHS off. They will probably use the excuse of 'Massive new funding' from America.

NHS safe in their hands? Yeh, right.

This idea they will self off the NHS is absolute nonsense.

[Gordaleman]

So far 2 people have died in the UK. Both elderly with underlying health conditions.

My father is 82, has Parkinson’s and chronic heart failure, if he contracts this virus it is more likely that he will die as a result. As horrid as it sounds, I personally would welcome his death because he’s suffered enough lately. He is bed bound and unable to care for himself.

Yet should he die from this virus (which according to the actual stats, he has about a 1 in 10 chance of dying if he gets it) then his death will be attributed to Coronavirus but in reality he will have died from Parkinson’s, heart failure and old age.

I sympathise with your Father's situation mate.

That's like so many people. They go into hospital with, let's say a broken hip and die of Pnumonia later. Cause of death would be put down as Pnumonia but if they hadn't broken their hip, they wouldn't have succomed to Pnumonia.

[Gordaleman]

This idea they will self off the NHS is absolute nonsense.

Oh, so the fact that large parts of the NHS have already been sold to the Yanks, has passed you by?

[taio]

Oh, so the fact that large parts of the NHS have already been sold to the Yanks, has passed you by?

Which large parts? Privatisation has occured under both Labour and Conservative governments but only in relatively small pockets.

[paulatky]

Ha! Doh. I missed a zero from my initial sum.

Still. 70m of us are not going to get Corona Virus.

In Wuhan, where the initial outbreak was, out of a popular of 11m only about 150,000 cases were reported.

And I added a zero by mistake !!!

To achieve that households have been on total lockdown for 7 weeks and the effects on their economy have been drastic,

Apply that here and the economic effect would be devastating for all of us

[Gordaleman]

Which large parts? Privatisation has occured under both Labour and Conservative governments but only in relatively small pockets.

There are too many to list here but one example is the hospital pharmacies. They now belong to companies ultimately owned by American companies. Privatisation by stealth is what the Tories are good at.

Have you never heard the expression 'Thin end of the wedge'.

Anyway, this isn't the thread to discuss privatisation.

[Lord Beamish]

To achieve that households have been on total lockdown for 7 weeks and the effects on their economy have been drastic,

Apply that here and the economic effect would be devastating for all of us

The lockdown was overkill. The disease had played itself out by then. If Covid 19 was as virulent as we’re being told it would have swept through such a densely populated city before they’d have had time to know what had hit them, and would almost have certainly spread to other cities in China just as quickly, and then all over the World.

[thatdberight]

Indeed, I try to question it without ridicule though. I know some posters have a genuine fear of this due to their own circumstances which I understand.

That said, since my autocorrect took "form" as "firm".... Biter bit and all that....

[taio]

There are too many to list here but one example is the hospital pharmacies. They now belong to companies ultimately owned by American companies. Privatisation by stealth is what the Tories are good at.

Have you never heard the expression 'Thin end of the wedge'.

Anyway, this isn't the thread to discuss privatisation.

As I say outsourcing to private providers also happened under Labour including elements of hospital pharmacy. But I agree it isn't the right thread to discuss a point you brought up.

[Lowbankclaret]

The lockdown was overkill. The disease had played itself out by then. If Covid 19 was as virulent as we’re being told it would have swept through such a densely populated city before they’d have had time to know what had hit them, and would almost have certainly spread to other cities in China just as quickly, and then all over the World.

Funny that!!!
Italy is follow suit.
We will too in two weeks.

I have linked an article earlier where precautions appear to be working. Perhaps we should try that.

But we won’t!

[Spijed]

Funny that!!!
Italy is follow suit.
We will too in two weeks.

I have linked an article earlier where precautions appear to be working. Perhaps we should try that.

But we won’t!

If there is a lockdown who will produce simple things such as packaging to put food in, or even distribute the food itself to people?

[thatdberight]

A big shout out to the great British public. In an unprecedented show of support for their Italian cousins, they have decided to "buy Italian" to bolster their hard-hit economy. As a result of which, you can't get pasta for love nor money.

Bravissimo!

[Zlatan]

Which large parts? Privatisation has occured under both Labour and Conservative governments but only in relatively small pockets.

This has been covered many times before, and I have highlighted that when I go for blood tests I have to go to “Medical Centre, brought to you by Virgin Care” (https://virgincare.co.uk/) it’s states “partnering”, but please read that as “making profit from sick people at the country’s tax payers expense”.

That said, can we keep this thread to Coronavirus scaremongering etc thanks.

[taio]

This has been covered many times before, and I have highlighted that when I go for blood tests I have to go to “Medical Centre, brought to you by Virgin Care” (https://virgincare.co.uk/) it’s states “partnering”, but please read that as “making profit from sick people at the country’s tax payers expense”.

That said, can we keep this thread to Coronavirus scaremongering etc thanks.

Yes I know parts of the NHS are privatised.

[Zlatan]

My mother thinks if she gets it she will die too. She struggles breathing with her severe asthma most days.

She has done her funeral plan in the last couple of days, because she knows I would be useless.

I hope it does not come to that.

My dad’s funeral plan is also done. I think you’ve slightly missed my point though. If I framed it as there’s a 9 in 10 chance that my dad will die from old age as opposed to 1 in 10 chance that Coronavirus will kill him (and even then it’s only the straw that broke the camels back) I’d hope you see that the media using fear terms such as “killer virus” and “death rate” is fuelling panic buying of bog roll FFS. If they state 98% survival rate of those who get it and point out that only a few people have got it, it changes the narrative.

I am not belittling the situation, it is serious, but the vast majority (well over 99.9%) of the population don’t need to worry about it.

[Gordaleman]

11 am today.

Italy may be the top story in the BBC newsroom today, but it’s my job to keep an eye on what’s happening in China.

And today, the numbers are looking positive: Chinese health officials reported the lowest daily number of new coronavirus infections since January - an indication that the virus's spread is slowing.

China’s National Health Commission said there were 44 new cases on Saturday, that’s less than half the number reported on Friday.

Twenty-seven people died, the lowest figure in more than a month. All the deaths were recorded in the city of Wuhan, in Hubei province, where Covid-19 originated. One of the biggest temporary hospitals that was built there will now close.

[paulatky]

My dad’s funeral plan is also done. I think you’ve slightly missed my point though. If I framed it as there’s a 9 in 10 chance that my dad will die from old age as opposed to 1 in 10 chance that Coronavirus will kill him (and even then it’s only the straw that broke the camels back) I’d hope you see that the media using fear terms such as “killer virus” and “death rate” is fuelling panic buying of bog roll FFS. If they state 98% survival rate of those who get it and point out that only a few people have got it, it changes the narrative.

I am not belittling the situation, it is serious, but the vast majority (well over 99.9%) of the population don’t need to worry about it.

But they will be effected by the economic fallout for years to come.

And that is the effect many people are overlooking.

[thatdberight]

This has been covered many times before, and I have highlighted that when I go for blood tests I have to go to “Medical Centre, brought to you by Virgin Care” (https://virgincare.co.uk/) it’s states “partnering”, but please read that as “making profit from sick people at the country’s tax payers expense”.

That said, can we keep this thread to Coronavirus scaremongering etc thanks.

Yes. Let's not debate here but I absolutely disagree that making profit from medicine or treatment is wrong.

[thatdberight]

But they will be effected by the economic fallout for years to come.

And that is the effect many people are overlooking.

*affected

I'm not giving up on this one...

[Zlatan]

But they will be effected by the economic fallout for years to come.

And that is the effect many people are overlooking.

Does there need to be an economic fallout? That is a serious question. It’s been stated on here though that the government are calculating the minimum impact to the economy more closely than they are concerned about people’s health.

[thatdberight]

Does there need to be an economic fallout? That is a serious question. It’s been stated on here though that the government are calculating the minimum impact to the economy more closely than they are concerned about people’s health.

You're quite measured on the impact of this virus but that statement comes straight from your pre-existing conditions of your political persuasion. Of course there's a payoff between social and economic issues and health. Otherwise beer, driving and cigarettes would be illegal tomorrow.

[Zlatan]

You're quite measured on the impact of this virus but that statement comes straight from your pre-existing conditions of your political persuasion. Of course there's a payoff between social and economic issues and health. Otherwise beer, driving and cigarettes would be illegal tomorrow.

You correctly deduced I’m no fan of the government. With age and wisdom I conclude I don’t like many politicians, as most are out to feather their own nests anyway

[Lowbankclaret]

If there is a lockdown who will produce simple things such as packaging to put food in, or even distribute the food itself to people?

Spijed, I am not saying I want this to happen.
I don’t know what’s going to happen but I fear some parts of the UK will be under lockdown.

It will be up to the government to sort out how things work.

[Lowbankclaret]

My dad’s funeral plan is also done. I think you’ve slightly missed my point though. If I framed it as there’s a 9 in 10 chance that my dad will die from old age as opposed to 1 in 10 chance that Coronavirus will kill him (and even then it’s only the straw that broke the camels back) I’d hope you see that the media using fear terms such as “killer virus” and “death rate” is fuelling panic buying of bog roll FFS. If they state 98% survival rate of those who get it and point out that only a few people have got it, it changes the narrative.

I am not belittling the situation, it is serious, but the vast majority (well over 99.9%) of the population don’t need to worry about it.

No I did get your point, and I do have empathy with your situation.
It’s not a nice position to be in.

I think all we can do is keep our fingers crossed.

[Spijed]

Spijed, I am not saying I want this to happen.
I don’t know what’s going to happen but I fear some parts of the UK will be under lockdown.

It will be up to the government to sort out how things work.

Whenever there is a tragic event, such as people dying in a burning building it tends to be the case that more victims die from being trampled to death due to panic, rather than from any causes of fire.

Can you imagine Germany having a lockdown, for example?