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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:18 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:16 am
11 am today.

Italy may be the top story in the BBC newsroom today, but it’s my job to keep an eye on what’s happening in China.

And today, the numbers are looking positive: Chinese health officials reported the lowest daily number of new coronavirus infections since January - an indication that the virus's spread is slowing.

China’s National Health Commission said there were 44 new cases on Saturday, that’s less than half the number reported on Friday.

Twenty-seven people died, the lowest figure in more than a month. All the deaths were recorded in the city of Wuhan, in Hubei province, where Covid-19 originated. One of the biggest temporary hospitals that was built there will now close.
Do you agree that’s been achieved by the total lockdown of that area???

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:25 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:20 am
Does there need to be an economic fallout? That is a serious question. It’s been stated on here though that the government are calculating the minimum impact to the economy more closely than they are concerned about people’s health.
Unfortunately there will be an economic fallout.

On the day 9/11 happened, I spoke to colleagues about the fact there would be a large redundancy at work in about 6 months, it takes that time to feed through.

This will have a greater impact on the company I work for. In a memo on Friday it stated immediate action. No people to be recruited externally and no people to be back filled internally, so it’s started already that they recognise it’s going to have a big impact.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:26 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:59 am
You correctly deduced I’m no fan of the government. With age and wisdom I conclude I don’t like many politicians, as most are out to feather their own nests anyway
We can agree 100% on that.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by paulatky » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:27 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:25 pm
Unfortunately there will be an economic fallout.

On the day 9/11 happened, I spoke to colleagues about the fact there would be a large redundancy at work in about 6 months, it takes that time to feed through.

This will have a greater impact on the company I work for. In a memo on Friday it stated immediate action. No people to be recruited externally and no people to be back filled internally, so it’s started already that they recognise it’s going to have a big impact.
And house market has already slowed and airlines,cruiselines and travel companies hit.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:28 pm

Just been to Aldi, never seen it so busy.
Now I would not say people were panic buying, far from it.
But people were certainly buying more than I would normally see

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:35 pm

paulatky wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:27 pm
And house market has already slowed and airlines,cruiselines and travel companies hit.
I work in the aircraft industry, it will be hit hard unfortunately.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:37 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:18 pm
Do you agree that’s been achieved by the total lockdown of that area???
No, I don't agree. Only a relatively small area (One province) has been in lock down, but cases are falling daily, all over China.

The last figures I saw were only 27,000 active cases in China, and that's WHO figures three or four days ago. It's probably even less now.

Try looking at the latest pollution index for China. Having dropped substantially because people weren't travelling to work, it's now on the rise again as people return.

Sorry if that doesn't suit your fearmonger agenda.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:01 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:37 pm
No, I don't agree. Only a relatively small area (One province) has been in lock down, but cases are falling daily, all over China.

The last figures I saw were only 27,000 active cases in China, and that's WHO figures three or four days ago. It's probably even less now.

Try looking at the latest pollution index for China. Having dropped substantially because people weren't travelling to work, it's now on the rise again as people return.

Sorry if that doesn't suit your fearmonger agenda.
I know you think I am trying to frighten people , but I would say I am drawing people’s attention to some of the facts in the data that just don’t fit with the “it’s just like flu agenda”

The data suggests 10% needs intensive care treatment, if that was the case for seasonal flu, we would have significantly more intensive care beds.

As I am not in China I don’t know what the actual truth is, but did reports not say 60 million people were in lockdown, which of the 1.38 billion people is a smaller percentage than Italy are going to lockdown.

Italy a country of 60 million has today locked down 16 million.

Nothing I say or any data produced will change your views, so we will just have to agree to disagree.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:12 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:01 pm
I know you think I am trying to frighten people , but I would say I am drawing people’s attention to some of the facts in the data that just don’t fit with the “it’s just like flu agenda”

The data suggests 10% needs intensive care treatment, if that was the case for seasonal flu, we would have significantly more intensive care beds.

As I am not in China I don’t know what the actual truth is, but did reports not say 60 million people were in lockdown, which of the 1.38 billion people is a smaller percentage than Italy are going to lockdown.

Italy a country of 60 million has today locked down 16 million.

Nothing I say or any data produced will change your views, so we will just have to agree to disagree.
We certainly disagree. And just for clarity. I have NEVER said it wasn't serious and I've NEVER said it was like Flu. What I have said, is that Covid-19 has an awful lot of catching up to do if it is EVER going to kill as many people as Flu. Surely, how many it kills, and it's less than 4,000 worldwide so far, is more important? Flu kills between 290,00 and 650,000 globally, every single year, so to me, that's a far bigger threat.

Sooner or later, there will be an Armegeddon virus to make you happy, but I don't think it's this one.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Grumps » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:18 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:19 am
There you go again, taking comments out of context to suit your doomsday scenario. Not only that, you add a 0 to the quoted figure.

The 100,000 case projecection is a 'Worst case' situation. They are not saying that they EXPECT it to happen but are trying to prepare for the possibility.

Do you realise just what proportion of the population 100,000 is? We have 49,000 citys towns and villages in the UK. 100,000 is just two people per community on average.

Put things in perspective and stop panicking.
Iam not sure how Paul is going to survive...stockpile stuff,but how many people have touched it before he's got his hands on it, darnt touch cash, can't go out for food or drink, my god I think I'll stay here,next to H10 in Tenerife, it's all normal here

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Grumps » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:20 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:12 am
My dad’s funeral plan is also done. I think you’ve slightly missed my point though. If I framed it as there’s a 9 in 10 chance that my dad will die from old age as opposed to 1 in 10 chance that Coronavirus will kill him (and even then it’s only the straw that broke the camels back) I’d hope you see that the media using fear terms such as “killer virus” and “death rate” is fuelling panic buying of bog roll FFS. If they state 98% survival rate of those who get it and point out that only a few people have got it, it changes the narrative.

I am not belittling the situation, it is serious, but the vast majority (well over 99.9%) of the population don’t need to worry about it.
Absolutely spot on.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Grumps » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:24 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:01 pm
I know you think I am trying to frighten people , but I would say I am drawing people’s attention to some of the facts in the data that just don’t fit with the “it’s just like flu agenda”

The data suggests 10% needs intensive care treatment, if that was the case for seasonal flu, we would have significantly more intensive care beds.

As I am not in China I don’t know what the actual truth is, but did reports not say 60 million people were in lockdown, which of the 1.38 billion people is a smaller percentage than Italy are going to lockdown.

Italy a country of 60 million has today locked down 16 million.

Nothing I say or any data produced will change your views, so we will just have to agree to disagree.
So working on your figures, 10 percent of 260 currently need intensive care, do they? The increase in NHS care are people who have read your posts, and the media, get a cold and go to the hospital, which they have never done before.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:28 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:12 pm
We certainly disagree. And just for clarity. I have NEVER said it wasn't serious and I've NEVER said it was like Flu. What I have said, is that Covid-19 has an awful lot of catching up to do if it is EVER going to kill as many people as Flu. Surely, how many it kills, and it's less than 4,000 worldwide so far, is more important? Flu kills between 290,00 and 650,000 globally, every single year, so to me, that's a far bigger threat.

Sooner or later, there will be an Armegeddon virus to make you happy, but I don't think it's this one.

Your a very strange person who thinks it would make me happy for lots of people to die.
What I do think is we are not treating this seriously enough and hence it will spread.
That concerns me as it’s likely my mother and I will be just two of the statistics.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:30 pm

Grumps wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:24 pm
So working on your figures, 10 percent of 260 currently need intensive care, do they? The increase in NHS care are people who have read your posts, and the media, get a cold and go to the hospital, which they have never done before.
1/. UK is not releasing those figures.

2/. It’s very early days yet.

Let’s see what’s happening at the end of the month.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Grumps » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:33 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:30 pm
1/. UK is not releasing those figures.

2/. It’s very early days yet.

Let’s see what’s happening at the end of the month.
Or carry on spreading rubbish, up to you to make that decision

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:34 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:28 pm
Your a very strange person who thinks it would make me happy for lots of people to die.
What I do think is we are not treating this seriously enough and hence it will spread.
That concerns me as it’s likely my mother and I will be just two of the statistics.
So you just choose to ignore the figures I gave you and the comments I made before the Armageddon bit?

Why? Don't they suit your fear agenda?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:35 pm

Grumps wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:24 pm
So working on your figures, 10 percent of 260 currently need intensive care, do they? The increase in NHS care are people who have read your posts, and the media, get a cold and go to the hospital, which they have never done before.
UK is not releasing that level of detail and with only 270 cases it's a small sample - 253 cases are still active.

But Italian doctors reported this 10% figure - have you got a better figure with a source?

Professor Maurizio Cecconi, Professor Antonio Pesenti and Professor Giacomo Grasselli, from the University of Milan;
"We are seeing a high percentage of positive cases being admitted to our intensive care units (ICUs), in the range of 10 per cent of all positive patients."

It will take two seconds of googling for you to reassure yourself that these are serious clinicians in the critical care field in the most affected area.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by dsr » Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:28 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:28 pm
Just been to Aldi, never seen it so busy.
Now I would not say people were panic buying, far from it.
But people were certainly buying more than I would normally see
It's an issue of definition, to a large extent. What constitutes panic buying? for example, I live fifty yards from Tesco and the Co-Op and 100 yards from Sainsbury's, and don't normally buy anything until the old stuff has run out. For example, I don't buy a box of tea bags until the old box is all but empty - now I have a full box in reserve; same for most non-perishables. Does that count as panic buying?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:38 pm

dsr wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:28 pm
It's an issue of definition, to a large extent. What constitutes panic buying? for example, I live fifty yards from Tesco and the Co-Op and 100 yards from Sainsbury's, and don't normally buy anything until the old stuff has run out. For example, I don't buy a box of tea bags until the old box is all but empty - now I have a full box in reserve; same for most non-perishables. Does that count as panic buying?
Certainly some evidence when I went to do the weekly shop. Hardly any pasta left was the main food one, obvious demand for UHT milk (I'd rather drink water, thanks), cleaning and personal care products, bits of other stuff.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Bfcboyo » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:09 pm

Speaking to an expert yesterday and we will all need bidets and baby wipes by Easter.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:21 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:16 pm
Whenever there is a tragic event, such as people dying in a burning building it tends to be the case that more victims die from being trampled to death due to panic, rather than from any causes of fire.

Can you imagine Germany having a lockdown, for example?
Apologies , been gardening.

The way I see it, it’s kinda going.
Contact tracing, oh pants that didn’t work, As I pointed out it wouldn’t.
2nd phase of trying to slow it spread, implemented too late! Oh pants that didn’t work.

Gov panic and implements lockdown. Germany will implement it, as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by bfcjg » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:26 pm

Hopefully when more and more people who have had it and have recovered start posting and going on you tube f@ceb00k etc the hysteria will die down.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:33 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:34 pm
So you just choose to ignore the figures I gave you and the comments I made before the Armageddon bit?

Why? Don't they suit your fear agenda?
You can keep spinning this Lowbank spreads fear agenda, but it is bullshit!

I have looked at data and given an opinion.

I have not suggested X amount will die, not said this is an apocalypse .

I think there is a reality of this situation some people are sticking their head in the sand and ignoring.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:36 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:35 pm
UK is not releasing that level of detail and with only 270 cases it's a small sample - 253 cases are still active.

But Italian doctors reported this 10% figure - have you got a better figure with a source?

Professor Maurizio Cecconi, Professor Antonio Pesenti and Professor Giacomo Grasselli, from the University of Milan;
"We are seeing a high percentage of positive cases being admitted to our intensive care units (ICUs), in the range of 10 per cent of all positive patients."

It will take two seconds of googling for you to reassure yourself that these are serious clinicians in the critical care field in the most affected area.
Thank you for your support!

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Bfcboyo » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:40 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:26 pm
Hopefully when more and more people who have had it and have recovered start posting and going on you tube f@ceb00k etc the hysteria will die down.
Along with thousands of elderly and ill unfortunately.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:41 pm

Perhaps today’s Italian figures might explain why they reacting the way they are.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:52 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:36 pm
Thank you for your support!
Facts are facts.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Spijed » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:15 pm

I suspect we'll be watching what countries like Germany and France do.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:28 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:52 pm
Facts are facts.
It appears at times that’s up for debate on here.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:31 pm

Also, let’s just reflect on the timeframe as reported in Italy. According to the reports it’s been 16 days from first case reported to lockdown in Italy.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:34 pm

Is anyone else more curious about Lowbank’s shopping habits than the stats?
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Grumps » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:37 pm

:roll:
thatdberight wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:52 pm
Facts are facts.
If only people stuck to them

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by bfcjg » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:38 pm

Bfcboyo wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:40 pm
Along with thousands of elderly and ill unfortunately.
Why focus on the negative, the vast vast majority will make a full recovery and as more of us become immune the virus will die out.
One good thing would appear to be the international cooperation to get a cure and hopefully this will bring the world to its senses or at least the likes of Trump and his contempt for the natural world.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:39 pm

Grumps wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:37 pm
:roll:

If only people stuck to them
Agreed.

So I presume we now agree the 10% seems like a decent number unless and until we get something better?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by paulatky » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:40 pm

Its amazing to think its only 6 days ago I was ridiculed for saying there would be stock shortages. It gives me no pleasure in seeing that I have been right but myself and Lowbank have worked out this would be very serious weeks ago.
Unbelievable that people still saying its nothing more seasonal flu.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:41 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:38 pm
... hopefully this will bring the world to its senses or at least the likes of Trump and his contempt for the natural world.
I believe he's already been stripped of his permit as a market trader in Wuhan.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:41 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:28 pm
It appears at times that’s up for debate on here.
You like FACTS do you? Well here's a FACT.

Flu KILLS between 290,00 and 650,000 globally, every single year.

So with figures for Corona Virus in China reducing dramatically (Currently about 27,000 cases, not deaths.) and less than 4,000 deaths world wide. How is Covid-19 anywhere near as bad as Flu?

When Covid-19 figures get anywhere near the figures for Flu, I might become a little more concerned. Untill then, I'll wash my hands and carry on as normal.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:41 pm

paulatky wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:40 pm
Its amazing to think its only 6 days ago I was ridiculed for saying there would be stock shortages. It gives me no pleasure in seeing that I have been right but myself and Lowbank have worked out this would be very serious weeks ago.
Unbelievable that people still saying its nothing more seasonal flu.
Stock shortages of what? Have you been to a shop today?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:43 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:41 pm
You like FACTS do you? Well here's a FACT.

Flu KILLS between 290,00 and 650,000 globally, every single year.

So with figures for Corona Virus in China reducing dramatically (Currently about 27,000 cases, not deaths.) and less than 4,000 deaths world wide. How is Covid-19 anywhere near as bad as Flu?

When Covid-19 figures get anywhere near the figures for Flu, I might become a little more concerned. Untill then, I'll wash my hands and carry on as normal.
You're right. We've quite often seen large parts of a major European country locked down for flu season. Same difference really.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by paulatky » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:45 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:38 pm
Why focus on the negative, the vast vast majority will make a full recovery and as more of us become immune the virus will die out.
One good thing would appear to be the international cooperation to get a cure and hopefully this will bring the world to its senses or at least the likes of Trump and his contempt for the natural world.
What evidence is there that people will become immune.

Reports in China is that re-infection rates are 10-15% whilst others point out that number might be because people had not really recovered the first time. Also can any info to come out of China be relied upon
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:45 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:34 pm
Is anyone else more curious about Lowbank’s shopping habits than the stats?
I have no idea why those adverts pop upon my feed.
Last time I bought a pair of trainers was 14 years ago in Florida.
Bought one phone case in the last 6 years.

I do some trading in stocks and shares so can see that one.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by ksrclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:45 pm

As immunity develops in the population, is it too much to hope that the contents of this thread will be agglutinated along with the virus?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:45 pm

This thread is like a hamster in its wheel.

Going nowhere fast.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by paulatky » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:49 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:41 pm
Stock shortages of what? Have you been to a shop today?
Toilet rolls,pasta, soap,hand gels,some medicines,long life milk

Have you had your head in the sand all weekend

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:50 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:43 pm
You're right. We've quite often seen large parts of a major European country locked down for flu season. Same difference really.
Just because a government takes drastic action, that has nothing to do with the virus itself. The figures are nowhere near the infection or death rates for Flu. We live in a world of instant communication which we didn't have even when SARS was around, and they are scared of public opinion going against them if they don't do something. Also, if this virus is anything like most similar viruses, it will cease to be a major problem when the weather gets warmer. SARS, a very dangerous virus, died out all by itself and this will probably do the same.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:50 pm

I can confirm that toilet rolls at Tesco are limited to 5 packages.

They thought that 5 x 24 toilet rolls was excessive, so I couldn't go any higher.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:51 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:41 pm
You like FACTS do you? Well here's a FACT.

Flu KILLS between 290,00 and 650,000 globally, every single year.

So with figures for Corona Virus in China reducing dramatically (Currently about 27,000 cases, not deaths.) and less than 4,000 deaths world wide. How is Covid-19 anywhere near as bad as Flu?

When Covid-19 figures get anywhere near the figures for Flu, I might become a little more concerned. Untill then, I'll wash my hands and carry on as normal.
Here’s a fact you can dispute.

Name one country who has lockdown any people for seasonal flu??

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:55 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:45 pm
As immunity develops in the population, is it too much to hope that the contents of this thread will be agglutinated along with the virus?
I have no idea what it is but I want to be agglutinated. For sure.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:57 pm

paulatky wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:49 pm
Toilet rolls,pasta, soap,hand gels,some medicines,long life milk

Have you had your head in the sand all weekend
No, I haven't. Instead, I've been to two major supermarkets today and, while there was obvious evidence of more buying in those categories, nothing was out and "food shortages" doesn't mean you can't get your favourite brand of olive. It means that there's a shortage of food.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:59 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:50 pm
The figures are nowhere near the ... death rates for Flu.
Define what you mean. Then I can decide what to call you.

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