nil_desperandum wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:26 pm

That's a very valid point. IMO the vast majority of people who have the virus won't actually be recorded officially since if they are following advice they will be self-isolating and will never actually be tested.
Hence the number of recorded deaths can only be a percentage of those actually tested and diagnosed as opposed to those who actually have it.

So when they keep saying "a man in Northampton" (or wherever) has tested positive for Covid 19, what has he done differently to actually undergo a test and get a "result"? If he'd followed the rules he'd have been nowhere near the doctors! But there have been loads of such reports. Or are some people turning up at the doctors and demanding to be tested against advice?

pushpinpussy wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:41 pm

not read any of this thread but there is a rumour going around that Nick Pope has got the virus. Fingers crossed its not true.

Who started the rumour? You?

Well it will have to take it's place in an extremely long list of rumours right now, I'm afraid!!!

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:39 pm

That’s why the virus will continue, people like you unwilling & reluctant to adopt a different lifestyle approach, if you starve anything from oxygen it perishes.

If you want to live under a stone and consider that a victory, the rest of us taking out chances won't stop you or impact your survival. Enjoy!

Dark Cloud wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:41 pm

So when they keep saying "a man in Northampton" (or wherever) has tested positive for Covid 19, what has he done differently to actually undergo a test and get a "result"? If he'd followed the rules he'd have been nowhere near the doctors! But there have been loads of such reports. Or are some people turning up at the doctors and demanding to be tested against advice?

Unless a number of those who get tested are showing more aggressive symptoms.

As best as I can understand it, if you get "flu" like symptoms you do not go to a doctor or hospital, you call the emergency number, they talk to you in terms of what you have, if your lucky you may have a thermometer and be able to take your or other family members temperature. NOTE to self, buy a thermometer.

Nothing happens after that except you self isolate, but during the conversation there will be other discussions, where do you live, red zone, yes/no box ticked. Have you travelled lately, flown anywhere, when, box ticked. Depending upon the survey outcome someone will come round to test you and then you get results, or it's we think it's flu like, stay in and call us in a couple of days, repeat.

Hence the statements around no one knows how many people have it because testing is very limited, so areas where we compare S Korea, 20,000 tested daily versus UK 1,000 tested daily gives rise to concern and also to statistics being way off.

Just my thoughts and no expert plus what I have been told.

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:08 pm

The Chinese have a lot to answer for due to how this disease originated and whether markets like that should operate in modern culture. Reckless in the extreme and this could polish off as many Brits as WW2 (though not as many in prime obviously). The point is, if it happens once it could happen again.

And the British on the other hand just contaminate a whole Scottish island with Anthrax spores and leave it for 48 years before doing anything to clean it up. Good old Brits eh?

thatdberight wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:57 pm

If you want to live under a stone and consider that a victory, the rest of us taking out chances won't stop you or impact your survival. Enjoy!

It’s short term, not forever, I don’t have a choice thanks to people like you, I’d prefer it if people stopped in for a month we can have all the parties in the world after that, let’s just get this s**t under control.

So you've just cleared the shelves of thermometers, Kate!

I'm taking the family on a train to a busy City visiting museums and restaurants this weekend.

It may be the last chance for a while so enjoy every one of them while you can.

Still gutted about the footy being behind closed doors though.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:03 pm

It’s short term, not forever, I don’t have a choice thanks to people like you, I’d prefer it if people stopped in for a month we can have all the parties in the world after that, let’s just get this s**t under control.

I've been following this tjhread...Kinell!
There is no guarantee that if everyone in this country at present stayed home for a month that this "pandemic" would be ended!

pushpinpussy wrote: ↑not read any of this thread but there is a rumour going around that Nick Pope has got the virus. Fingers crossed its not true.

Who started the rumour? You?
Somebody mentioned in passing when discussing Pickford as Englands keeper that Nick Pope catches everything.

How many humans were killed by the Anthrax experiment ?

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:09 pm

I've been following this tjhread...Kinell!
There is no guarantee that if everyone in this country at present stayed home for a month that this "pandemic" would be ended!

No true, but the natural likelihood of less exposure & contact can only mean 1 thing, it’d almost disappear domestically.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:03 pm

It’s short term, not forever, I don’t have a choice thanks to people like you, I’d prefer it if people stopped in for a month we can have all the parties in the world after that, let’s just get this s**t under control.

If it was a solution that worked, it might be worth considering. But since it fails that first test, it's not.

Gordaleman wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:01 pm

And the British on the other hand just contaminate a whole Scottish island with Anthrax spores and leave it for 48 years before doing anything to clean it up. Good old Brits eh?

Poor example that was war time stuff. Try our changed feeding practice and BSE-that is much better

Claret32yrs wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:00 pm

What the f*ck has this to do with Brexit. It's not relevant who is PM or who said what! Nobody could prepare for this. Why the hell are you bringing politics into it? It would be the same regardless or party. Unless you're suggesting Labour have some magical health pixies?

Brexit because Johnson, Gove, and Cummings are the liars who led the leave campaign. Who mentioned Labour I am thinking of the Italian, Danish, Irish, S Korean governments.

Are you a brexit supporter? Remind me of the benefits we are going to enjoy.

thatdberight wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:12 pm

If it was a solution that worked, it might be worth considering. But since it fails that first test, it's not.

No such pilot test has taken place here.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:12 pm

No true, but the natural likelihood of less exposure & contact can only mean 1 thing, it’d almost disappear domestically.

6 weeks minimum.
Apparently it can survive in the nasal passages for 5 weeks.
The thing is that if everyone stayed at home for that sort of period there'd be thousands of deaths by many other causes.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:15 pm

No such pilot test has taken place here.

You be the guinea pig then. Nobody is stopping you.

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:15 pm

6 weeks minimum.
The thing is that if everyone stayed at home for that sort of period there'd be thousands of deaths by many other causes.

Boredom?

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:15 pm

6 weeks minimum.
Apparently it can survive in the nasal passages for 5 weeks.
The thing is that if everyone stayed at home for that sort of period there'd be thousands of deaths by many other causes.

Either way it’s something we’d never find out, it would take preparation & everybody on board, it ain’t happening, it’d have to be government endorsed & a certain date so everybody could stockpile essentials in advance.

pushpinpussy wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:41 pm

not read any of this thread but there is a rumour going around that Nick Pope has got the virus. Fingers crossed its not true.

Was it your neighbour the BFC footballer who told you that?

Or are you lying again?

KateR wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:59 pm

As best as I can understand it, if you get "flu" like symptoms you do not go to a doctor or hospital, you call the emergency number, they talk to you in terms of what you have, if your lucky you may have a thermometer and be able to take your or other family members temperature. NOTE to self, buy a thermometer.

Nothing happens after that except you self isolate, but during the conversation there will be other discussions, where do you live, red zone, yes/no box ticked. Have you travelled lately, flown anywhere, when, box ticked. Depending upon the survey outcome someone will come round to test you and then you get results, or it's we think it's flu like, stay in and call us in a couple of days, repeat.

Hence the statements around no one knows how many people have it because testing is very limited, so areas where we compare S Korea, 20,000 tested daily versus UK 1,000 tested daily gives rise to concern and also to statistics being way off.

Just my thoughts and no expert plus what I have been told.

Thermometers a quid at Boyes in Padiham!

thatdberight wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:17 pm

You be the guinea pig then. Nobody is stopping you.

Doesn’t matter, whilst people don’t change I don’t have a choice in the matter, I can only stop the spread myself I can’t control others from spreading.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:23 pm

Doesn’t matter, whilst people don’t change I don’t have a choice in the matter, I can only stop the spread myself I can’t control others from spreading.

Yeah but you can hide away until it's over which in your view is the best solution. Good luck if you pursue it.

thatdberight wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:25 pm

Yeah but you can hide away until it's over which in your view is the best solution. Good luck if you pursue it.

If I’m still posting in a month or so I guess I’m ok, I’m relatively low risk anyhow, I’m thinking about other high risk people & not myself.

Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:22 pm

Thermometers a quid at Boyes in Padiham!

You know where you can stick your cheap thermometers!
Like Bob Dylan once said "You don't need a weatherman to say which way the wind blows"

Hong Kong Pomeranian has now tested negative for Covid 19 following a blood test.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/hea ... irus-lacks

However, they are still going to do more tests on it.

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:32 pm

You know where you can stick your cheap thermometers!
Like Bob Dylan once said "You don't need a weatherman to say which way the wind blows"

Perhaps that’s your fetish.

What ever floats your boat.

Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:22 pm

Thermometers a quid at Boyes in Padiham!

Probably already been "used"! (But I'll check them out tomorrow anyway!! To see if they fit!!!)

Not the full story, of course.

Serology negative for antibodies but.. "the dog continued to test “weakly positive” for the virus in oral and nasal swab samples."

"The [gene] sequence results indicate that the virus likely spread from the infected persons and subsequently infected the dog,” the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department (AFCD) said in a statement. Chui said the government’s experts would continue to classify the dog as having a low-level infection, despite the blood test result.

Unnamed Man City player has self isolated ahead of our game this weekend..

How are the matches still going on?

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:41 pm

Unnamed Man City player has self isolated ahead of our game this weekend..

How are the matches still going on?

It’s Mendy

No, not the full story (Still the sarcasm.) but I wasn't trying to hide anything or I wouldn't have given you the link.

I still think it's a pointless story and the dog was only environmentally infected.

thatdberight wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:37 pm

We obviously haven't got complete science but what we have doesn't support this theory, unfortunately (WHO reporting from China last week).

Not being argumentative, but i'm not sure what you mean. Could you please link a source?
The way I see it is:
They claim that children could be carrying it but not showing symptoms. So let's assume that both my grandchildren have it and no one really knows. They've passed it on to me, but my symptoms are quite mild, so self and wife have decided to self-isolate, and we're really not sure whether we have it or not. She then also picks it up and stays in bed for a few days but we never alert the doctor or any authority and we eventually feel normal again.
How can the 4 of us be included in the statistics even though as it turns out we have had the virus?
(The above is purely hypothetical by the way, but entirely plausible and not unrealistic.)

Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:35 pm

Perhaps that’s your fetish.

What ever floats your boat.

Nobody needs a thermometer to know they have a fever!

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:45 pm

Not being argumentative, but i'm not sure what you mean. Could you please link a source?

Of course. Much too much unsourced, misquoted or made up info on here - I should have provided the link.

https://globalbiodefense.com/headlines/ ... -response/
(Snippets from the full interview - but Aylward's comments are available elsewhere too)

"In Guangdong, they went back and retested 320,000 samples originally taken for influenza surveillance and other screening. Less than 0.5 percent came up positive, which is about the same number as the 1,500 known Covid cases in the province. There is no evidence that we’re seeing only the tip of a grand iceberg, with nine-tenths of it made up of hidden zombies shedding virus. What we’re seeing is a pyramid: most of it is above-ground. Once we can test antibodies in a bunch of people, maybe I’ll be saying, “Guess what? Those data didn’t tell us the story.” But the data we have now don’t support it." (my highlight)

"“That was really interesting, because we were hoping and maybe expecting to see a large burden of mild and asymptomatic cases,” says Caitlin Rivers, an epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. “That piece of data suggests that’s not happening, which would imply that the case fatality risk might be more or less as we currently have.” But Guangdong province was not a heavily affected area, so it is not clear whether the same holds in Hubei province, which was the hardest hit, Rivers cautions."
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03 ... -countries

Heathrow was remarkably quiet tonight... luckily I got back to the north just as my company implemented a travel ban. 3 week travel ban

Gordaleman wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:44 pm

No, not the full story (Still the sarcasm.) but I wasn't trying to hide anything or I wouldn't have given you the link.

I still think it's a pointless story and the dog was only environmentally infected.

It's not sarcasm. You know my opinion of you.

The fact that you believe at this distance you know better than the experts handling the case is instructive.

The story seems trivial. No symptoms, no sign the dog is contagious, no mutation.

Just out of interest.....
Does anyone on here believe they won't get it?

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:07 pm

Just out of interest.....
Does anyone on here believe they won't get it?

Not me

Not sure Id put my trust in a scientist referring to " a bunch of people "

Every cloud.... There is another thread about Genesis reuniting, well at least now that will be delayed.

Mikel Arteta...

thatdberight wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:59 pm

It's not sarcasm. You know my opinion of you.

The fact that you believe at this distance you know better than the experts handling the case is instructive.

The story seems trivial. No symptoms, no sign the dog is contagious, no mutation.

I really couldn't give a sh*t what you think of me but at least I don't deal in scare stories, which is all this dog story is.

If it's ever proved that this dog got more than environmental infection through it's infected owner then I'll put my hand up.

You might have to wait a long time though.

Arteta tests positive.

Gordaleman wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:27 pm

I really couldn't give a sh*t what you think of me but at least I don't deal in scare stories, which is all this dog story is.

If it's ever proved that this dog got more than environmental infection through it's infected owner then I'll put my hand up.

You might have to wait a long time though.

You've spent a long time misunderstanding and lying about it for someone who doesn't deal in it.

Gordaleman wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:53 pm

Who started the rumour? You?

Rumour was related to papal Pope