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Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:33 pm
by Jakubclaret
thatdberight wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:26 pm
How's that consistent with "Avoid... gatherings in smaller public spaces such as pubs, cinemas, restaurants, theatres, bars, clubs"?
Just by applying common sense, I’m not sure if you play snooker but on a midweek day you’d probably get 5 to 6 people at the most in the club, on a league match night I wouldn’t recommend, remember it was only the other day you was poking fun at me about hiding behind stones & suggesting the appropriate course of action is to live life normally.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:35 pm
by paulatky
Why is there so much bickering on this thread.
Just looked in and its all bickering tonight.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:46 pm
by thatdberight
Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:33 pm
Just by applying common sense, I’m not sure if you play snooker but on a midweek day you’d probably get 5 to 6 people at the most in the club, on a league match night I wouldn’t recommend, remember it was only the other day you was poking fun at me about hiding behind stones & suggesting the appropriate course of action is to live life normally.
I'm still just following the advice. When the advice changes, so does my behaviour.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:48 pm
by Gordaleman
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:55 pm
by ClaretTony
paulatky wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:35 pm
Why is there so much bickering on this thread.
Just looked in and its all bickering tonight.
And it’s going to stop. Any more and posters will be removed for a period. It’s pathetic.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:06 am
by tim_noone
Gordaleman wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:34 pm
You mean that it doesn't suit your agenda.
15 cases of COVID-19, 8 of which have recovered and gone home. The others still quarantined but not seriuosly ill.
NOT A SINGLE DEATH. I'll bet you're actually diasappointed about that.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:12 am
by Dy1geo
These are strange times and it is not times for I told you so etc we are all from the same stock ie Burnley Fans and we have to pull together. If some one wants to paint the doomsday scenario fine but don’t have ago they may be extremely worried and feeling anxious likewise don’t have a go at a poster that says it’s not as bad as the flu, I will live life as normal when they change their views.
We are in nature creatures of habit and this medical emergency is taking away our version of normality but what I can say is that normality will resume and we will be back discussing if Barnes should be in before J Rod
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:39 am
by HunterST_BFC
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:39 am
by HunterST_BFC
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:31 am
by HieronymousBoschHobs
Inchy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:23 pm
I am a labour voter, I don’t like Boris.
However, Boris takes no blame for any of this. He is doing as he is told by the government experts.
In times like this, no matter how much you dislike our leader, we must pull together. Boris has been admirable during his press conferences. It pains me to say this as I believe him to be a joker, a clown, but Boris has come across as stately during his conferences. He’s been honest and sincere. I believe Corbyn would have faffed about. I’m no Tory but sometimes you need a heartless ******* when he country faces a war like this.
It saddens me to see a Labour voter falling for this charlatan’s cheap imitation of a dignified politician solemnly facing a national crisis. He’s winging it as he’s always done.
You say Corbyn would faff, but if word for word, policy for policy, he’d done exactly the same as Johnson, the press would be crucifying him and this forum, which, by my reckoning, has an older, more right wing demographic, would be in meltdown. Being flanked by experts would not be ‘following the science’ but ‘hiding behind his advisors’ ‘lacking the confidence to lead’. If Corbyn had been as vague as Johnson has been about what we are going to do economically, with the markets in free fall, it would be ‘This is what happens when you let the Marxists in’.
How do I know this you might ask? I don’t.
Just as neither you, nor I, nor anyone, knows or can ever know how Corbyn would have handled this situation because Boris Johnson, not Jeremy Corbyn, became prime minister after the last election. So let’s stop comparing the actual government to a fictitious government which a majority of people did not vote for. Let’s concern ourselves instead with the actions of the government for which a majority of people did. The same government which has been in charge of the health service for the past 10 years. The same government in which Boris Johnson served as a minister. The same government whose first and most important purpose is to prepare for just such times as these. So yes, he can, and he ought, to be blamed for what may well befall us now because much of it may, in the final analysis, turn out to have been avoidable.
Suffice to say, I will be interested to see how the Blitz spirit BS Johnson and co are trying to sell will be going down in a month’s time when the crisis has actually hit. I don’t think the NHS will be able to handle this, and I am very worried about my parents, neither of whom are in great health, catching the illness because I expect some people will be unable to receive adequate care. I’m not going to be palmed off with some cod Churchillian overtones when the lives of my loved ones are at stake, and I doubt I’ll be the only one.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:23 am
by AlargeClaret
HieronymousBoschHobs wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:31 am
It saddens me to see a Labour voter falling for this charlatan’s cheap imitation of a dignified politician solemnly facing a national crisis. He’s winging it as he’s always done.
You say Corbyn would faff, but if word for word, policy for policy, he’d done exactly the same as Johnson, the press would be crucifying him and this forum, which, by my reckoning, has an older, more right wing demographic, would be in meltdown. Being flanked by experts would not be ‘following the science’ but ‘hiding behind his advisors’ ‘lacking the confidence to lead’. If Corbyn had been as vague as Johnson has been about what we are going to do economically, with the markets in free fall, it would be ‘This is what happens when you let the Marxists in’.
How do I know this you might ask? I don’t.
Just as neither you, nor I, nor anyone, knows or can ever know how Corbyn would have handled this situation because Boris Johnson, not Jeremy Corbyn, became prime minister after the last election. So let’s stop comparing the actual government to a fictitious government which a majority of people did not vote for. Let’s concern ourselves instead with the actions of the government for which a majority of people did. The same government which has been in charge of the health service for the past 10 years. The same government in which Boris Johnson served as a minister. The same government whose first and most important purpose is to prepare for just such times as these. So yes, he can, and he ought, to be blamed for what may well befall us now because much of it may, in the final analysis, turn out to have been avoidable.
Suffice to say, I will be interested to see how the Blitz spirit BS Johnson and co are trying to sell will be going down in a month’s time when the crisis has actually hit. I don’t think the NHS will be able to handle this, and I am very worried about my parents, neither of whom are in great health, catching the illness because I expect some people will be unable to receive adequate care. I’m not going to be palmed off with some cod Churchillian overtones when the lives of my loved ones are at stake, and I doubt I’ll be the only one.
How on earth can you politise corona virus? any leader of any nation is in an almost impossible situation in a scenario like this . BJ could cure Covid19 but the left/remainers would still rant endlessly on echo chambers like Twitter. It’s a time to pull together not score cheap points . The govt are trying to keep things going and gradually phase closures rather than “ overnight orders “ giving people a bit of prep time etc . It’s ugly but JC would be in the exact same dilemma
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:53 am
by thatdberight
Certainly is. As that says, "The science has shifted dramatically"
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:57 am
by Zlatan
Good luck everyone
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:36 am
by Bordeauxclaret
I really hope they are right.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:41 am
by Loyalclaret
Rays of hope, at least we know the best brains around the world are working on this and will find an answer
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victo ... 83855c3669
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:41 am
by Spijed
Surely trying to suppress this is the best course of action giving time for possible treatments in the next few weeks
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:49 am
by thatdberight
Spijed wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:41 am
Surely trying to suppress this is the best course of action giving time for possible treatments in the next few weeks
That's what the scientists must believe because now we're effectively hiding from it and hoping some kind of scientific response allows to come out from behind our sofas.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:18 am
by Jakubclaret
thatdberight wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:46 pm
I'm still just following the advice. When the advice changes, so does my behaviour.
As already predicted, I could see exactly where all this was heading, hence my earlier suggestions about less social interaction & the need to be reclusive, yes you are following the advice late on without thinking on your plates of meat at a earlier point.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:26 am
by claretonthecoast1882
Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:18 am
As already predicted, I could see exactly where all this was heading, hence my earlier suggestions about less social interaction & the need to be reclusive, yes you are following the advice late on without thinking on your plates of meat at a earlier point.
Are you able to predict how things will be in 3 weeks time with all your knowledge ?
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:32 am
by Billy Balfour
thatdberight wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:49 am
That's what the scientists must believe because now we're effectively hiding from it and hoping some kind of scientific response allows to come out from behind our sofas.
Hiding from it? Then why are many of them working 18 hour days. Don't talk ****.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:32 am
by CrosspoolClarets
Spijed wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:41 am
Surely trying to suppress this is the best course of action giving time for possible treatments in the next few weeks
I suspect the fear is that the economic wreckage will cost even more lives than 250,000 (or at least, ruin lives for millions). After all, that is what posters like you (rightly, on the whole) have said was the effect of austerity.
So it isn’t a simple situation. I personally think this could easily cause inflation and a massive economic crisis to make Lehman Brothers a walk in the park.
I also suspect the politicians have realised that the way our media works would ensure that when people start dying in corridors without access to Intensive Care, the fingers would point and the government would fall. That is in nobodies interests right now. I think the scientific advisor guy is saying that the contagion is more rapid than thought so the NHS would be overwhelmed without this isolation. We have to trust their modelling and rapid adjustment to their strategy as figures evolve.
p.s. this thread should be a way to pull people together and find some common support and solidarity. Let’s make that one positive from this horrible thing.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:33 am
by thatdberight
Billy Balfour wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:32 am
Hiding from it? Then why are many of them working 18 hour days. Don't talk ****.
Who's working 18 hour days?
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:34 am
by Jakubclaret
claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:26 am
Are you able to predict how things will be in 3 weeks time with all your knowledge ?
Yes, roughly where we are now, slightly worse not much though, end of April it will get bad in terms of comparison to now & the next fortnight.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:36 am
by thatdberight
Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:18 am
As already predicted, I could see exactly where all this was heading, hence my earlier suggestions about less social interaction & the need to be reclusive, yes you are following the advice late on without thinking on your plates of meat at a earlier point.
The difference is, if the advice changes again, I'll change my behaviour again while you'll stick to plan sofa. I was never in any doubt that we'd hit a need for some further changes in what we do.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:36 am
by Billy Balfour
thatdberight wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:33 am
Who's working 18 hour days?
Not you, that's for sure.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:37 am
by thatdberight
Billy Balfour wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:36 am
Not you, that's for sure.
It was a serious question. You responded with a comment I don't understand.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:38 am
by Jakubclaret
thatdberight wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:36 am
The difference is, if the advice changes again, I'll change my behaviour again while you'll stick to plan sofa. I was never in any doubt that we'd hit a need for some further changes in what we do.
You've been wrong so many times so far about everything regarding coronavirus, I'm surprised you are still posting on this subject!
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:41 am
by Lowbankclaret
claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:26 am
Are you able to predict how things will be in 3 weeks time with all your knowledge ?
Just look at Italy today, that will be us in two weeks time.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:44 am
by Bordeauxclaret
thatdberight wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:33 am
Who's working 18 hour days?
Every person involved in company IT departments I would guess.
Feel for those guys trying to get as many people set up for home working as possible.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:44 am
by thatdberight
Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:38 am
You've been wrong so many times so far about everything regarding coronavirus, I'm surprised you are still posting on this subject!
From the very start of this thread, page 1, where you said 600 people a year in the UK died of flu and I tried to tell you it was 17,000 average (with sources) which is the the sort of number we now all know, that's been the level of dialogue we've been having. I'd best leave it.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:51 am
by claretonthecoast1882
Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:41 am
Just look at Italy today, that will be us in two weeks time.
Why just Italy ? Why not Holland or Belgium ?
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:52 am
by Claret-On-A-T-Rex
This is my favourite part...
"Change course or a quarter of a million people will die in a "catastrophic epidemic" of coronavirus - warnings do not come much starker than that.
The message came from researchers modelling how the disease will spread, how the NHS would be overwhelmed and how many would die.
The science has shifted dramatically and as a result we are now facing the most profound changes to our daily lives in peacetime.
This realisation has happened only in the past few days.
However, it is long after other scientists and the World Health Organization had warned of the risks of not going all-out to stop the virus."
But no, some people actually TRUST BORIS JOHNSON
Forget WHO advice and pay attention to the nodding shills behind him because now, suddenly the "people have had enough of experts" party are bringing out "experts" to stand behind
And we've actually got people saying let the pubs and clubs and theatres go bust to save the insurance industry.
Hasn't it occurred to anybody that when the rest of Europe comes out of isolation the UK will have to be quarantined, by Europe because it followed a different timetable?
Watching from abroad, reading the British newspapers and reading the comments on here is absolutely dumbfounding.
HieronymousBoschHobs wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:31 am
It saddens me to see a Labour voter falling for this charlatan’s cheap imitation of a dignified politician solemnly facing a national crisis. He’s winging it as he’s always done.
You say Corbyn would faff, but if word for word, policy for policy, he’d done exactly the same as Johnson, the press would be crucifying him and this forum, which, by my reckoning, has an older, more right wing demographic, would be in meltdown. Being flanked by experts would not be ‘following the science’ but ‘hiding behind his advisors’ ‘lacking the confidence to lead’. If Corbyn had been as vague as Johnson has been about what we are going to do economically, with the markets in free fall, it would be ‘This is what happens when you let the Marxists in’.
How do I know this you might ask? I don’t.
Just as neither you, nor I, nor anyone, knows or can ever know how Corbyn would have handled this situation because Boris Johnson, not Jeremy Corbyn, became prime minister after the last election. So let’s stop comparing the actual government to a fictitious government which a majority of people did not vote for. Let’s concern ourselves instead with the actions of the government for which a majority of people did. The same government which has been in charge of the health service for the past 10 years. The same government in which Boris Johnson served as a minister. The same government whose first and most important purpose is to prepare for just such times as these. So yes, he can, and he ought, to be blamed for what may well befall us now because much of it may, in the final analysis, turn out to have been avoidable.
Suffice to say, I will be interested to see how the Blitz spirit BS Johnson and co are trying to sell will be going down in a month’s time when the crisis has actually hit. I don’t think the NHS will be able to handle this, and I am very worried about my parents, neither of whom are in great health, catching the illness because I expect some people will be unable to receive adequate care. I’m not going to be palmed off with some cod Churchillian overtones when the lives of my loved ones are at stake, and I doubt I’ll be the only one.
Well said.
The idea that Boris Johnson isn't to blame for the state of the NHS is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:59 am
by Claret-On-A-T-Rex
Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:41 am
Just look at Italy today, that will be us in two weeks time.
Pfft what really? For a bit of flu. Bah, we fought the germans, Boris will cure it, best NHS in the world, **** business, let the pubs and clubs go bust, I'm going down to my local insurance office after all this for a pint.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:04 am
by Carport
Seemed apt
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:07 am
by thatdberight
Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:52 am
And we've actually got people saying let the pubs and clubs and theatres go bust to save the insurance industry.
Not what I said. What I said was the insurance industry won't be able to pay out for every club, restaurant, bar, venue, museum, football club etc in the country. So it'll fall to government and then back to all of us anyway.
But still, "Tories bad!" or whatever your message was.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:16 am
by NottsClaret
Did anyone see the full Imperial College report on which yesterday's update was based. Lots of stats, graphs and knowledge and very little politics so it won't be for everyone.
Admitted the demand on ICU was higher than anticipated (imagine admitting an error!) so hence the tweak on policy. Anyway, after wading through it all, obviously there's no easy way out however much you scream and shout or point at what someone else is doing.
Either you do nothing and it's over by July. Astonishing how quick it would happen and pass. The downside there is half a million vulnerable people slowly choke to death on their own lungs at home and in the street. That's quite a downside.
Or you have peaks and troughs of outbreaks - using suppression as we are now to quell it each time - over the next 18 months. Way more people survive. Except the economy collapses, society is changed, people are isolated and it's not exactly clear how public services are maintained or funded.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:19 am
by ClaretAndJew
I vote for saving as many human lives as possible.
I know, I know, it's a bit "lefty" of me but damn it I'm just so god damn compassionate to my fellow humans.
Hope this doesn't offend anyone.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:23 am
by thatdberight
ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:19 am
I vote for saving as many human lives as possible.
I know, I know, it's a bit "lefty" of me but damn it I'm just so god damn compassionate to my fellow humans.
Hope this doesn't offend anyone.
That level of absolute commitment would be consistent with living a subsistence lifestyle and sending all surplus money to fund life-saving infrastructure in third world countries. I doubt there's anybody does that.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:28 am
by NottsClaret
ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:19 am
I vote for saving as many human lives as possible.
I know, I know, it's a bit "lefty" of me but damn it I'm just so god damn compassionate to my fellow humans.
Hope this doesn't offend anyone.
I imagine that's not too controversial a view point. But if austerity did indeed kill thousands, the effect these 'lockdowns' will have on every economy will give us austerity x 10. There really is no easy way out. But we're all in the same boat, one day it will be over. And in the long run, we're all dead anyway. Good morning!
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:31 am
by Spijed
NottsClaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:16 am
Or you have peaks and troughs of outbreaks - using suppression as we are now to quell it each time - over the next 18 months. Way more people survive. Except the economy collapses, society is changed, people are isolated and it's not exactly clear how public services are maintained or funded.
Surely we'll have treatments very soon - likely within a few weeks to make the survival rate even better.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:36 am
by ClaretAndJew
Spijed wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:31 am
Surely we'll have treatments very soon - likely within a few weeks to make the survival rate even better.
Any vaccines won't be ready for months.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:39 am
by FactualFrank
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:40 am
by paulatky
Is China still in lockdown in Wahun City
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:41 am
by FactualFrank
Australian researchers claim two existing drugs could 'cure' COVID-19 after patients they tested responded 'very well' to treatment
Chloroquine, an anti-malarial drug, and HIV-suppressing combination lopinavir/ritonavir have both reportedly shown promising results in human tests and made the virus 'disappear' in infected patients.
The drugs are being tested as researchers and doctors around the world scramble to try and find a vaccine, cure or treatment for the deadly virus.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... virus.html
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:44 am
by Colburn_Claret
thatdberight wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:53 am
Certainly is. As that says, "The science has shifted dramatically"
And it will again, it always does. No one can forecast coronavirus, only hindsight will give us the 'facts'. You make an educated guess, based on the current data, and you play it as it falls.
Imo I think I'd have left the tighter restrictions longer, we need people to catch and recover from this in order to start the down slope to full recovery. That said, I don't think it pays to rock the boat under the circumstances, so I will be following government guide lines. It would be irresponsible and selfish not to.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:49 am
by FactualFrank
A friend's son aged 9 is thought to have it. His mum is trying to get him tested, which is proving difficult.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:50 am
by Spijed
FactualFrank wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:49 am
A friend's son aged 9 is thought to have it. His mum is trying to get him tested, which is proving difficult.
What symptoms is he showing
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:52 am
by FactualFrank
Spijed wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:50 am
What symptoms is he showing
Continuous cough and fever.
Also, he had a sleepover with a friend on Saturday and the other lad is the same. Struggling with his breathing during the night.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:59 am
by Spijed
If the govt can get the deaths down to 48,000 it'll be the same as sepsis
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-51138859
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:06 am
by Dy1geo
FactualFrank wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:52 am
Continuous cough and fever.
Also, he had a sleepover with a friend on Saturday and the other lad is the same. Struggling with his breathing during the night.
This will end up being the norm and sadly unless we change our ways as a society by social distancing people who need ventilators that would in normal circumstances be available and keep them alive will be told they are not available.
Sadly for your friends family they will only test if he needs to go to hospital. I know of two people one has the constant cough and temperature and he has been told to self isolate, his wife hasn’t had any symptoms at all but under new guidelines she is self isolating for 2 week after she told work. However his mum is a lot worse but again she hasn’t been tested and it will only be the case if she carries on deteriorating.
I can only ask that people like your friend follows the guidelines and now self isolates and people over 70 etc. do the same or we may have the scenario where ventilators are not available for children.
We will get through this