Sounds like you should self isolate for 7 days with those symptoms.
Ring 111 I think is still the process rather than ringing your GP.
They will confirm what you should do.

NottsClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:30 pm

The worry about air travel would probably be more relevant weeks ago, or if we ever reached a stage where the virus was anything like under control.

At the moment we’ve probably got 1-2m people who either have or have had Covid19 in the country. A few thousand more arriving on a plane - who then have to follow the same social distancing as the rest of us anyway - probably aren’t going to tip the balance.

It might not tip the balance but you’ve got an extremely easy way to test a group of people that’s just being ignored. Seems very odd to me.
Could probably do away with passport checks now as well.

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:17 pm

I know there is a thread about the virus, however just seems full of people bickering at the moment. I am just asking how many people believe they have had it and did they have the common symptoms we are supposed to look out for i.e. dry cough, loss of sense of smell and taste and high temperature?
I am feeling pretty rough at the moment, got a slight temperature and body aches all over. I have felt generally yuk anyway since being confined to indoors and lack of fresh air, I live in a flat. Although I am almost 60 years old I am not really that concerned if I got the virus as I feel that most of us will eventually get it anyway in the absence of a vaccine. Just wondering if anyone else has displayed these symptoms and has then been confirmed as having the virus? Thanks.

Hard to tell. The classic symptoms aren't the only ones and many people get no symptoms and many get mild ones. I'd still be surprised, but not shocked, if I'd had it. I have a dry cough (but not persistent) that won't go after 3 weeks, which left me feeling hot the first couple of days with a few weird muscle aches.

Yours sounds closer to the classic symptoms.

thatdberight wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:23 pm

Hard to tell. The classic symptoms aren't the only ones and many people get no symptoms and many get mild ones. I'd still be surprised, but not shocked, if I'd had it. I have a dry cough (but not persistent) that won't go after 3 weeks, which left me feeling hot the first couple of days with a few weird muscle aches.

Yours sounds closer to the classic symptoms.

Are you sure that just isn't a reaction to Lowbanks data interpretation posts?

Ive had it about four times now i just shrugged if off.

Cheers. As long as I don’t get severely short of breath I will just hole up here for a week.

Dinks wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:27 pm

Ive had it about four times now i just shrugged if off.

Since you are online suggest use the online service in the first instance which is what the NHS prefers:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavir ... hat-to-do/

You should take TVCs advice just to be on the safe side, the problem being with this virus you have to be so careful even if it's something else, we all feel crap from time to time so best staying indoors anyway even if you feel fine, this virus isn't helping people with anxiety problems & it's easy to feel something's not right mentally when physically it is.

This OP is quite timely because I and a number of others were casting our minds back trecently o the Christmas/New Year period when just about everybody seemed to be ill with one thing or another.
Nothing particularly unusual about that but I, for one, suffered symptoms I very rarely get or have never ever had before : severe headache - never get them. Sweating overnight for five nights - so much so you could damn near wring the pilllow cases out and had to change the sheets everyday, they were wet through. Never happened before. Taste and sense of smell disappeared for two weeks - never -and a stupid dry cough that, according to the doc, wasn't on my lungs but made me wheeze so badly I thought I was going to faint, one occasion being in a restaurant in Torquay. Again, not something I've experienced. The passing out, not the restaurant.
The odd thing is nobody else immediately around me picked it up although the missus did get the sniffles.
Possibly all coincidence and just a nasty dose of the flu but it will be interesting to see the results of the studies that Oxford Uni and others are doing regarding flu-like illnesses reported in December and January to see what kind of strains were doing the rounds and if they were to do with Covid-19 or paving the way for it.

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:23 pm

It might not tip the balance but you’ve got an extremely easy way to test a group of people that’s just being ignored. Seems very odd to me.
Could probably do away with passport checks now as well.

We don't have enough tests for the doctors or nurses let alone check everyone coming off a flight, there's the problem.

thatdberight wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:57 pm

The great thing is that if those of us who can take the 3 in 1,000 (much less for most people) chance, those who want to hide until it's all over can. And in much more comfort.

So crack on, what’s stopping you?

A few months ago now I had the worst dry cough I’ve ever had, I was literally on my knees coughing on occasion and it persisted for weeks. The temperature went after about a week or so.

Trouble is, this was way before we heard anything about the Coronavirus being in the UK. I’m still not sure what to think on that - is it fanciful to think it could have been here much earlier than people think?

thatdberight wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:57 pm

The great thing is that if those of us who can take the 3 in 1,000 (much less for most people) chance, those who want to hide until it's all over can. And in much more comfort.

But its not 3 in a 1,000 ,its 10 in a 1,000

thatdberight wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:57 pm

The great thing is that if those of us who can take the 3 in 1,000 (much less for most people) chance, those who want to hide until it's all over can. And in much more comfort.

The mortality rate is far higher than that.

CombatClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:46 pm

We don't have enough tests for the doctors or nurses let alone check everyone coming off a flight, there's the problem.

Perhaps put them in quarantine then, or stop the flights.

It’s a bit of a **** take that a family are fined for driving to Devon to go fishing ( no, I don’t agree with what they did ), a man gets threatened with pepper spray for running errands for his mother and a chap in Doncaster, I think, gets told off by a police officer for letting his kids play in the front garden, but we allow hundreds of people in at Heathrow to add to the mix of people who aren’t abiding by the rules, to spread this virus to other people.

I’m struggling to get supplies for work now as all my usual builders merchants are closed. I’m now using Wickes and B&Q and have to order two days in advance as I’m in a queue with other people buying fertiliser and bedding plants.

Builders merchants closed, all and sundry arriving at airports, packed on planes not two metres apart then left to mix with the rest of us in the aisles of Tesco. Makes no sense and is ******* me off.

Things were certainly afoot. One study in New Jersey, I believe, noticed an unusual spike in flu-like cases in December and is looking into that and the head of the funeral directors in Bergamo, Italy reported a large surge in funerals throughout December. A very worrying surge.
If these two examples have been replicated elsewhere and widely so, it does make you wonder what the hell has been going on.

I assume some air travel is classed as essential or can any Tom, Dick or Harry book on a flight currently?

The woman who went went on the return trip to Iran, booked after lockdown was announced and implemented. She works for Weight watchers, self employed, they are paying 50% of her usual earnings, the rest made up by benefits, so saw it as an opportunity to visit family. I can’t see visiting family in a different country is essential, when you can’t visit your families this one ffs. Not swearing at you Rileybobs, but at the situation.

Quite possibly the worst scenario is thinking you've had it when you haven't.

I know quite a few who are convinced they've had it, I'm equally convinced they haven't.

I was off work sick for 5 weeks from February to early April. Dry cough, fever, tiredness etc.

Docs said it was a chest infection but 3 rounds of anti-biotics did bugger all against it.and from previous experience a chest infection doesn't yield a dry cough.

Could have been any old virus, not THE virus, although I'm hoping it was then I'm done with it

Mrs Trevor and myself had a flu jab for the first time last October. For approx. 6 weeks after we both had the dry cough. No other symptoms and even the cough wasn’t a problem apart from being very frustrating.
We have been home isolating, apart from weekly shop, so we’ll probably never know.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:55 pm

The mortality rate is far higher than that.

Let's go for 9, shall we?

paulatky wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:52 pm

But its not 3 in a 1,000 ,its 10 in a 1,000

Some studies showing 3 - but yes up to 10 in some.

Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:48 pm

So crack on, what’s stopping you?

A sense of responsibility to everyone else and not thinking I'm the only **** clever enough to have seen something that has eluded everyone else.

thatdberight wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:29 pm

Let's go for 9, shall we?

We don't know for certain regarding the numbers it's widely acknowledged that people are dying from the virus without the count being added to the system in place, I'm not committing myself to any number as I'd be guessing I'd confidently suggest it's higher than 3 in 1000 & it's hardly surprising I'm not the only person who disagrees with that number.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:35 pm

We don't know for certain regarding the numbers it's widely acknowledged that people are dying from the virus without the count being added to the system in place, I'm not committing myself to any number as I'd be guessing I'd confidently suggest it's higher than 3 in 1000 & it's hardly surprising I'm not the only person who disagrees with that number.

But haven't they said up to 80% of people who get the virus will show mild or no symptoms at all?

If that's the case then surely the percentage dying compared to those who have it will be lower.

thatdberight wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:30 pm

Some studies showing 3 - but yes up to 10 in some.

That's not including the illegal people residing in the UK, the homeless people, the old people dying in the carehomes or just at home, to be included in the count you need to be tested positive & to die in a hospital.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:35 pm

We don't know for certain regarding the numbers it's widely acknowledged that people are dying from the virus without the count being added to the system in place

Acknowledged by whom? People on here don't count, by the way.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:39 pm

That's not including the illegal people residing in the UK, the homeless people, the old people dying in the carehomes or just at home, to be included in the count you need to be tested positive & to die in a hospital.

Not true. That's one of Lowbank's lies. Yes, some people will slip under the radar in terms of illegal migrants but not the other categories. And the latest 0.37% was a decent looking study (as are the others that say up to 1%) - these people are not just taking some numbers from worldometers and sticking them in a calculator.

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:24 pm

Mrs Trevor and myself had a flu jab for the first time last October. For approx. 6 weeks after we both had the dry cough. No other symptoms and even the cough wasn’t a problem apart from being very frustrating.
We have been home isolating, apart from weekly shop, so we’ll probably never know.

I also had flu jab for first time.. November felt crap for a few days thinking why did I have it... then odd times in December out in a tshirt."arent you cold" was mentioned once or twice I had the jab for pneumonia also which is practice I assume. I dont "think"? I've had it..and am Adhering to the Lockdown rules.shop infrequently and exercise if I choose.

Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:58 pm

North west hospital cases rising still.

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Peak in the north west isn't expected for a couple of weeks yet according to nhs planning.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:39 pm

That's not including the illegal people residing in the UK, the homeless people, the old people dying in the carehomes or just at home, to be included in the count you need to be tested positive & to die in a hospital.

Stay out of the fu...ing Hospital....Period!

thatdberight wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:39 pm

Acknowledged by whom? People on here don't count, by the way.

A big clue comes from the daily hospital reported deaths meaning exactly that, no mention of anybody else dying from the virus unless you are suggesting that everybody who dies from the virus gets tested positive & then dies whilst in hospital, the figure is far higher but it's pure guesswork reaching/concluding any numbers.

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:42 pm

With respect that’s the naive approach I was referring to (though it is the media I am more concerned about, who seem fixated by the mortality graph).

lol at you calling me naive. You keep licking those boots, lad.

The approach and decisions the government is taking should be being questioned every step of the way. They should be transparent and held to account. These arent just numbers; lives are at stake.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:46 pm

A big clue comes from the daily hospital reported deaths meaning exactly that, no mention of anybody else dying from the virus unless you are suggesting that everybody who dies from the virus gets tested positive & then dies whilst in hospital, the figure is far higher but it's pure guesswork reaching/concluding any numbers.

The ONS releases those numbers. Try to keep up rather than imagining things.

NottsClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:13 pm

Why would they go for 5-6 weeks? There’s no chance they’ll suggest that. Three weeks absolute maximum which of course can be reviewed. More likely two.

Several European nations lifting lockdown measures next week.

I don't think the measures will get stricter but 12 weeks in total of the current ones, or very close to, is highly likely.

Wouldn't be surprised if it carried on way into the summer.

thatdberight wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:42 pm

Not true. That's one of Lowbank's lies. Yes, some people will slip under the radar in terms of illegal migrants but not the other categories. And the latest 0.37% was a decent looking study (as are the others that say up to 1%) - these people are not just taking some numbers from worldometers and sticking them in a calculator.

"Not other categories" so you are suggesting that all homeless people are being tested before some of the NHS staff on the front are being tested, unless you carry out post mortems on everybody dying (not tested) it's impossible to establish if it's the virus, bearing in mind the homeless people will have a poor malnutritioned diet & a weakened immune system, they'd be ripe for the virus & it wouldn't really be questioned it'd be flagged under heroin or alcohol ect, a OD or liver failure.

thatdberight wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:42 pm

Not true. That's one of Lowbank's lies. Yes, some people will slip under the radar in terms of illegal migrants but not the other categories. And the latest 0.37% was a decent looking study (as are the others that say up to 1%) - these people are not just taking some numbers from worldometers and sticking them in a calculator.

So every Gov presentation states it does not include people who die outside of hospital.
Which Hancock statements are you watching?

You just cuddle up to your 0.37%, it’s no basis on reality, but it makes you feel so much better.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:56 pm

"Not other categories" so you are suggesting that all homeless people are being tested before some of the NHS staff on the front are being tested, unless you carry out post mortems on everybody dying (not tested) it's impossible to establish if it's the virus, bearing in mind the homeless people will have a poor malnutritioned diet & a weakened immune system, they'd be ripe for the virus & it wouldn't really be questioned it'd be flagged under heroin or alcohol ect, a OD or liver failure.

I'm unfamiliar with the detailed procedures for dealing with the death of a homeless person but I know a large proportion of homeless deaths are dealt with by the coroner - for obvious reasons - so I don't imagine there's much of a lack of recording (although there may be delays). They make up less than 0.5% of the country's population so, regardless of any shortfall in reporting (I don't know there is one) I can't see it's an important distortion.

Croydon Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:20 pm

I was off work sick for 5 weeks from February to early April. Dry cough, fever, tiredness etc.

Docs said it was a chest infection but 3 rounds of anti-biotics did bugger all against it.and from previous experience a chest infection doesn't yield a dry cough.

Could have been any old virus, not THE virus, although I'm hoping it was then I'm done with it

It’s exactly people like like yourself who need the antibody test.

Hopefully you did have it and don’t need to worry any more.

Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:04 pm

So every Gov presentation states it does not include people who die outside of hospital.
Which Hancock statements are you watching?

You just cuddle up to your 0.37%, it’s no basis on reality, but it makes you feel so much better.

It doesn't affect me one way or the other. I'm not scared of the looming shadow of the eternal blackness creeping, or in this case, racing up on us - its cold merciless claw ready to wrest us from this mortal coil. I'm not the one who needs comfort from hoping everybody else is as petrified as me.

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:55 pm

I don't think the measures will get stricter but 12 weeks in total of the current ones, or very close to, is highly likely.

Wouldn't be surprised if it carried on way into the summer.

Can any country afford 12 weeks in lockdown though? We are going to have to accept a balance at some point.

It’s going to come back if you lockdown for 24 weeks.. for 52 weeks. The idea is to keep numbers below those the NHS can cope with.

As soon as that is achievable - which it pretty much is now - then it’s a case of seeing which levers you can release while keeping the curve below the line. We’re becoming too obsessed with an unachievable goal of getting this virus back in the box and deaths down to zero.

That ship has sailed and now it’s just a case of management until the vaccine arrives.. or everyone has had it.

thatdberight wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:08 pm

It doesn't affect me one way or the other. I'm not scared of the looming shadow of the eternal blackness creeping, or in this case, racing up on us - its cold merciless claw ready to wrest us from this mortal coil. I'm not the one who needs comfort from hoping everybody else is as petrified as me.

You just do not get me at all do you.
So here is me going to care homes, funeral directors, etc . Yes respecting social distancing. They need our help , so it needs to be done.
The data says we are in the sh1t.

You just keep taking the **** and making it joke of it.

thatdberight wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:05 pm

I'm unfamiliar with the detailed procedures for dealing with the death of a homeless person but I know a large proportion of homeless deaths are dealt with by the coroner - for obvious reasons - so I don't imagine there's much of a lack of recording (although there may be delays). They make up less than 0.5% of the country's population so, regardless of any shortfall in reporting (I don't know there is one) I can't see it's an important distortion.

In the event of an homeless person's death the coroner would swiftly record it without even investigating, you'd see the track marks ect & swiftly sign it off, if it's suspicious circumstances the need for a detailed examination would be necessary, a coroner simply doesn't have the time to investigate every single death unless it's suspicious, the morgues simply don't have the capacity as well to be stacking corpses up whilst investigations are being carried out.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:15 pm

In the event of an homeless person's death the coroner would swiftly record it without even investigating, you'd see the track marks ect & swiftly sign it off, if it's suspicious circumstances the need for a detailed examination would be necessary, a coroner simply doesn't have the time to investigate every single death unless it's suspicious, the morgues simply don't have the capacity as well to be stacking corpses up whilst investigations are being carried out.

How do you know this?

thatdberight wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:18 pm

How do you know this?

I just do, common sense, I think you've been watching too many episodes of silent witness & think all the mortuaries are like the Lyell, it's a straightforward process signing off, the sensitivity with the family also plays a massive part & respectful considerations are an normality.

NottsClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:15 pm

Can any country afford 12 weeks in lockdown though? We are going to have to accept a balance at some point.

It’s going to come back if you lockdown for 24 weeks.. for 52 weeks. The idea is to keep numbers below those the NHS can cope with.

As soon as that is achievable - which it pretty much is now - then it’s a case of seeing which levers you can release while keeping the curve below the line. We’re becoming too obsessed with an unachievable goal of getting this virus back in the box and deaths down to zero.

That ship has sailed and now it’s just a case of management until the vaccine arrives.. or everyone has had it.

Oh it's here to stay now, that's for sure. I know we've planned for a definite 3 months of WFH, but wouldn't at all be surprised with 6.

Sunak announcing the furlough scheme covering 3 months (plus more if needed) was a pretty big indicator of what they're expecting.

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:49 pm

A few months ago now I had the worst dry cough I’ve ever had, I was literally on my knees coughing on occasion and it persisted for weeks. The temperature went after about a week or so.

Trouble is, this was way before we heard anything about the Coronavirus being in the UK. I’m still not sure what to think on that - is it fanciful to think it could have been here much earlier than people think?

Same with my wife. Started first week of this year. High temp, dry cough which didn't stop for more than a few minutes before starting agai, difficulty breathing for a few minutes several times . It took about 2 1/2 weeks before it really cleared up.
I watched them interview a woman in hospital with Covid last week and her coughing/breathing was exactly the same and I'm convinced that Mrs Hattrick has had it. Would be interesting to know how many suffered similar symptoms around that time or earlier if the question was raised nationally.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:15 pm

In the event of an homeless person's death the coroner would swiftly record it without even investigating, you'd see the track marks ect & swiftly sign it off, if it's suspicious circumstances the need for a detailed examination would be necessary, a coroner simply doesn't have the time to investigate every single death unless it's suspicious, the morgues simply don't have the capacity as well to be stacking corpses up whilst investigations are being carried out.

A young Lad in manor park was stressed his mum stopped him from going out for weed.he comitted suicide....the Body was not removed from the house for 3 days. Some crap situations going on.