Peterborough United made 8k from our game

[Quickenthetempo]

On a twitter thread about VAR costing over 9k a game in the F.A Cup (at premier league grounds and deducted in match expenses) the Posh chairmen has posted they only made 8k pounds from our game.

Our costs must be huge and where does the foreign T.V money go?

[Targetman]

On a twitter thread about VAR costing over 9k a game in the F.A Cup (at premier league grounds and deducted in match expenses) the Posh chairmen has posted they only made 8k pounds from our game.

Our costs must be huge and where does the foreign T.V money go?

Does he possibly mean profit, after their travel/overnight expenses etc?

[Silkyskills1]

But just think about the experience they gained playing against us. They've not looked back since and their league position is close to automatic promotion. Darren MacAnthony? can moan all he wants(as he usually does) but he may look back on that defeat as a pivotal moment in their season. The Burnley experience; priceless

[TVC15]

He’s obviously not counting the prize money from the FA for reaching the 3rd round.
He’s a wrong un is their chairman - the club have a history of attracting em.

[Quickenthetempo]

It's a twitter thread about the cost of VAR (9 grand a game) and how lower league clubs got caught out not expecting to have to pay so much in the FA Cup.
He replied to somebody asking him how much they made from an away tie at a premier league club.
People think away ties in the premier league are a big payer, reality is different.

[ClaretTony]

Does he possibly mean profit, after their travel/overnight expenses etc?

We would have had to pay all their travel expenses including any overnight accommodation

[TVC15]

Gate receipts will only have been around £75k to £100k. Then isn’t that then split 3 ways between both sides and the FA ?
Take off cost of VAR and travel / hotel expenses etc and then yep easy to see how it’s only £8k.

[NL Claret]

Payment goes to the PGMOL, I'd never heard of this organisation before this season. They are now running / ruining the game.

[Quickenthetempo]

I can't see VAR being in the early rounds of the cup next year. The smaller clubs will be well against it now.

We have had to sell around 1200 tickets against Posh just to pay for VAR.

[NL Claret]

The pitch side monitor was well worth the expense. Mike Riley!!

[ClaretTony]

Payment goes to the PGMOL, I'd never heard of this organisation before this season. They are now running / ruining the game.

PGMOL was set up in 2001 when referees first went professional at Premier League level.

[Dyched]

Sam Ricketts mentioned Shrewsbury got around £150,000 as opposed to around £5/600,000 if the Liverpool 1st team played. Haven’t a clue how with Anfield being full anyway?

[Stayingup]

If this true its no wonder the FA cup is not treated seriously by Premier League teams.

[Marney&Mee]

We would have had to pay all their travel expenses including any overnight accommodation

That can’t be right can it CT ? Why would we cover that.

[ClaretTony]

That can’t be right can it CT ? Why would we cover that.

I think it is the rules but it comes out of the overall profit before it is shared so in effect Peterborough would have paid half of it.

[Dark Cloud]

We would have had to pay all their travel expenses including any overnight accommodation

We pay their travel and accommodation?? Is that really so?? What if they decided to fly up and booked a really fancy hotel??

[ClaretTony]

We pay their travel and accommodation?? Is that really so?? What if they decided to fly up and booked a really fancy hotel??

I think there are some stricter rules than that and it has to be agreed between the two clubs prior to the game.

[ClaretTony]

Travelling Expenses

(i) In all Rounds, match expenses shall include travelling expenses, actually incurred, which must not exceed £3.00 per coach mile for same day travel and £6.00 per coach mile where an overnight stay is agreed. If private cars or minibus are used, then the expenses which can be claimed will be for a maximum of five cars at £0.40 per mile. For ties involving travel to/from the Isle of Wight, boat fares at the cheapest rate are allowed to be claimed.

(ii) The travelling expenses for the Visiting Club are to be calculated based on a return journey on a direct route from the visiting Club’s Headquarters to the venue where the match shall be played, the total mileage must be agreed between both Clubs prior to the first match and confirmed on the Match Arrangement Form.

(iii) When travelling by rail, the cost of 25 standard class fares at the cheapest available rate may be claimed.

(b) Hotel Expenses

(i) Where agreement concerning hotel accommodation has been reached, Clubs must confirm the agreement in writing on the Match Arrangement Form.

(ii) Where mutual agreement concerning hotel accommodation cannot be reached, and the Visiting Club considers it necessary or desirable to claim hotel expenses, written application must be made to The Association with a copy to the Home Club at least seven days in advance of the first match. The Professional Game Board shall have the power at its absolute discretion whether or not to grant permission.

[Top Claret]

Paying the opposition hotel expenses can't be right.


So if Stanley had an home tie to Chelsea, do you honestly think they would agree to pay for the players and staffs overnight accommodation at the Dunkenhalgh

Can't see it myself and never heard of this before

[dougcollins]

I wondered why they were staying at the Queen Vic.

[Top Claret]

I wrote my ditty before I read Tony's, so apologies Tony

They obviously have a fixed rate agreed between clubs or it would get out of hand, with loads of argy bloody bargy

[Paul Waine]

Paying the opposition hotel expenses can't be right.


So if Stanley had an home tie to Chelsea, do you honestly think they would agree to pay for the players and staffs overnight accommodation at the Dunkenhalgh

Can't see it myself and never heard of this before

Premier Inn or Travel Lodge, family rooms - anything above and you can pay it yourself.

I stayed at Dunkenhalgh when we played Chelsea first home game - when Chelsea won 3-1 . The Chelsea team were there with me, plus a handful of Chelsea fans.

[IanMcL]

Sam Ricketts mentioned Shrewsbury got around £150,000 as opposed to around £5/600,000 if the Liverpool 1st team played. Haven’t a clue how with Anfield being full anyway?

Yes very odd that one....unless season ticket holders got in free?

Commentators kept going on about a full house.

[ClaretTony]

Yes very odd that one....unless season ticket holders got in free?

Commentators kept going on about a full house.

Season ticket holders can’t be admitted free in the FA Cup. If a home club chooses to do it they have to cover the cost.

[Quickenthetempo]

Sam Ricketts mentioned Shrewsbury got around £150,000 as opposed to around £5/600,000 if the Liverpool 1st team played. Haven’t a clue how with Anfield being full anyway?

Liverpool reduced their prices.

[Marney&Mee]

Travelling Expenses

(i) In all Rounds, match expenses shall include travelling expenses, actually incurred, which must not exceed £3.00 per coach mile for same day travel and £6.00 per coach mile where an overnight stay is agreed. If private cars or minibus are used, then the expenses which can be claimed will be for a maximum of five cars at £0.40 per mile. For ties involving travel to/from the Isle of Wight, boat fares at the cheapest rate are allowed to be claimed.

(ii) The travelling expenses for the Visiting Club are to be calculated based on a return journey on a direct route from the visiting Club’s Headquarters to the venue where the match shall be played, the total mileage must be agreed between both Clubs prior to the first match and confirmed on the Match Arrangement Form.

(iii) When travelling by rail, the cost of 25 standard class fares at the cheapest available rate may be claimed.

(b) Hotel Expenses

(i) Where agreement concerning hotel accommodation has been reached, Clubs must confirm the agreement in writing on the Match Arrangement Form.

(ii) Where mutual agreement concerning hotel accommodation cannot be reached, and the Visiting Club considers it necessary or desirable to claim hotel expenses, written application must be made to The Association with a copy to the Home Club at least seven days in advance of the first match. The Professional Game Board shall have the power at its absolute discretion whether or not to grant permission.

Well you live and learn

[Chester Perry]

The lack of understanding of the average fan of the cost of running clubs and staging matches is very high and the rewards in our domestic cups do little to help big clubs cover them - it is something that has been discussed in length around the recent outcry over replays and even participation by big clubs recently - fundamentally these clubs are losing money by taking part and it is why an increasing number of clubs are forcing season ticket holders to buy cup tickets

This podcast I posted on the Magic Money Tree thread divulges the fixed costs at Middlesbrough (relevant section starts around 21 mins from the end)

https://twitter.com/dubasfisher/status/ ... 8154840065

[dsr]

Gate receipts will only have been around £75k to £100k. Then isn’t that then split 3 ways between both sides and the FA ?
Take off cost of VAR and travel / hotel expenses etc and then yep easy to see how it’s only £8k.

Take off VAT as well - one sixth of the gate receipts go to the government.

[timshorts]

Paying the opposition hotel expenses can't be right.


So if Stanley had an home tie to Chelsea, do you honestly think they would agree to pay for the players and staffs overnight accommodation at the Dunkenhalgh

Can't see it myself and never heard of this before

The home team don't pay all the away team hotel expenses. Effectively it is shared as it comes out of the game income before profits are calculated at the bottom of the match return.
There is also a bit on the form which allows you to deduct advertising costs if you are the home team.
The thing sort of works. Of course, you get anomalies, and at lower levels in the early rounds you probably don't get enough to pay the expenses given that the refs have to be from out of county (unless you manage to get drawn against an opponent from your own league) but it generally is not too unfair.
That is dependent on your not getting stiffed by the other team. Thank you Eastbourne Town.

[Andreshotboots]

I think there are some stricter rules than that and it has to be agreed between the two clubs prior to the game.

Stayed at the Titanic hotel in Liverpool a couple of seasons ago and the Leicester team were staying there before playing at Anfield. Staff member told me they had the contract for the the accommodation from the Premier League for visiting teams playing both at Anfield and Goodison. As CT said it's all pre agreed and arranged.

[Burnley1989]

Pretty sure away teams use crow wood now, cracking place and I’d recommend the new restaurant to anyone that fancies a nice meal

[Pimlico_Claret]

Stayed at the Titanic hotel in Liverpool a couple of seasons ago and the Leicester team were staying there before playing at Anfield. Staff member told me they had the contract for the the accommodation from the Premier League for visiting teams playing both at Anfield and Goodison. As CT said it's all pre agreed and arranged.

I was staying there a few years back when Swansea were playing Everton. Brian Flynn was in the bar area, assume he was part of the Swansea set up, had a pleasant chat with him as one of my all time favorite Burnley players.

[ClaretTony]

I was staying there a few years back when Swansea were playing Everton. Brian Flynn was in the bar area, assume he was part of the Swansea set up, had a pleasant chat with him as one of my all time favorite Burnley players.

Flynny was at Swansea on the scouting side but then moved to Everton - or maybe the other way round.