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Another crash

Post by MACCA » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:06 pm

Yep same area, this time Windermere Ave a VW golf wrapped round a tree.
Avoid the area

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Re: Another crash

Post by Blackrod » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:25 pm

i wonder if the speed limit was being obeyed.

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Re: Another crash

Post by BennyD » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:26 pm

The tree was almost certainly under the limit.

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Re: Another crash

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:29 pm

Thought this was referencing m65. 4 yesterday on way to Preston. And not even the worse drive of the week on that motorway.

M65 is an absolute shocker these days.
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Re: Another crash

Post by alboclaret » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:39 pm

BennyD wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:26 pm
The tree was almost certainly under the limit.
Possibly not with this wind ;)
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Re: Another crash

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:45 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:29 pm
Thought this was referencing m65. 4 yesterday on way to Preston. And not even the worse drive of the week on that motorway.

M65 is an absolute shocker these days.
Roads do not have accidents, I suggest that it may have more to do with those driving on them.
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Re: Another crash

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:46 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:45 pm
Roads do not have accidents, I suggest that it may have more to do with those driving on them.
Correct. And there seems to be a minimum of one a day on the 65 now.
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Re: Another crash

Post by The Enclosure » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:55 pm

I am driving to Preston hospital every weekday for 2 months at 6am every morning........it is a nightmare drive in the dark.Drivers are exceeding well over the speed limit and quite frankly it is scary at times.

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Re: Another crash

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:59 pm

The Enclosure wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:55 pm
I am driving to Preston hospital every weekday for 2 months at 6am every morning........it is a nightmare drive in the dark.Drivers are exceeding well over the speed limit and quite frankly it is scary at times.
Ditto on that route every week. No matter what time I leave at if it’s after six it’s a nightmare. And at night any time until at least seven thirty is. The closed road on Accy road isn’t helping in either direction. Everyone funnelling into one place. And the one road out of town they’ve built a Starbucks on it to time with that closure.

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Re: Another crash

Post by wilks_bfc » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:01 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:59 pm
Ditto on that route every week. No matter what time I leave at if it’s after six it’s a nightmare. And at night any time until at least seven thirty is. The closed road on Accy road isn’t helping in either direction. Everyone funnelling into one place. And the one road out of town they’ve built a Starbucks on it to time with that closure.
And closing a lane on each side of the motorway hasn’t helped either

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Re: Another crash

Post by dsr » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:19 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:45 pm
Roads do not have accidents, I suggest that it may have more to do with those driving on them.
To be fair, if the M65 is too dangerous to drive on at 70 mph, then the powers that be ought to cut the speed limit to a more reasonable level.

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Re: Another crash

Post by summitclaret » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:19 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:29 pm
Thought this was referencing m65. 4 yesterday on way to Preston. And not even the worse drive of the week on that motorway.

M65 is an absolute shocker these days.
Nowt wrong with the M65. Drivers though ?

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Re: Another crash

Post by bfcjg » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:36 pm

Anyone seen work going on yet on the bollarded off section of the M65 ? I haven't. Why didn't they wait until the work at the network 65 junction was finished ?

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Re: Another crash

Post by dsr » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:43 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:19 pm
Nowt wrong with the M65. Drivers though ?
Are you saying that it's an entirely different set of drivers on the M65 from the people who drive on the other roads? That since they turned the lights off, the drivers have got worse?

Is it the same on "smart motorways" - the increase in deaths is caused by bad driving and not to do with the road?

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Re: Another crash

Post by gawthorpe_view » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:46 pm

M65 from Burnley to Colne will be subject to a 50 mph speed limit from 15th February until the end of March for drainage improvement works.
I suspect this may also include lane closures.

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Re: Another crash

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:22 pm

It’s 50 at minute going toward Accrington. But as no cameras people just get up your backside and then race past or undercut you.
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Re: Another crash

Post by tim_noone » Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:25 pm

"Speed kills"
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Re: Another crash

Post by ClaretFelix » Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:28 pm

Driver was being a cock in it yesterday and was stopped up Harle Syke

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Re: Another crash

Post by bfcjg » Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:28 pm

Two pillocks were racing last night in the 50 area approaching the Padiham turn off I just couldn't believe they were so stupid. Sad thing is they get away with it.

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Re: Another crash

Post by Funkydrummer » Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:32 pm

It's mad February and March that happens every year when the budget has to be spent
before the financial year end of 31st March.

Spend it or lose it is the motto.

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Re: Another crash

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:34 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:28 pm
Two pillocks were racing last night in the 50 area approaching the Padiham turn off I just couldn't believe they were so stupid. Sad thing is they get away with it.
Marlborough street where haffners is exact same. People with kids on a narrow path with parked cars and arseholes race up there at fifty.

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Re: Another crash

Post by BurnleyFC » Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:35 pm

ClaretFelix wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:28 pm
Driver was being a cock in it yesterday and was stopped up Harle Syke
I hope the tree is OK.

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Re: Another crash

Post by Zlatan » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:57 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:25 pm
"Speed kills"
I have to disagree, rapid deceleration kills

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Re: Another crash

Post by tim_noone » Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:07 am

And High Speed will kill More.

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Re: Another crash

Post by ClaretAndJew » Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:09 am

Guns don't kill people, bullets do.
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Re: Another crash

Post by Dy1geo » Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:13 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:09 am
Guns don't kill people, bullets do.
It’s the people that pull the trigger that do the killing

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Re: Another crash

Post by ClaretAndJew » Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:14 am

Dy1geo wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:13 am
It’s the people that pull the trigger that do the killing
I blame their parents.

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Re: Another crash

Post by karatekid » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:13 am

What about all the potholes? Some local roads may only be passable soon in an off road vehicle. Drivers weaving around, braking suddenly, being tailgate because you slow down to avoid having your suspension fall off.

It's about time they realised that patchwork repairs are no good on a busy road such as North Valley Colne. Too many HGV's to make mince meat out of them.
There is a Gulley outside sainsbury Colne that spans the width of the road. I can't understand why LCC consider this to fine. I was stopped in traffic there and thought there must have been an earthquake at some point 😟
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Re: Another crash

Post by tim_noone » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:01 am

karatekid wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:13 am
What about all the potholes? Some local roads may only be passable soon in an off road vehicle. Drivers weaving around, braking suddenly, being tailgate because you slow down to avoid having your suspension fall off.

It's about time they realised that patchwork repairs are no good on a busy road such as North Valley Colne. Too many HGV's to make mince meat out of them.
There is a Gulley outside sainsbury Colne that spans the width of the road. I can't understand why LCC consider this to fine. I was stopped in traffic there and thought there must have been an earthquake at some point 😟
The road passing Nelson police station is a shocker.

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Re: Another crash

Post by Cardclaret » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:38 am

Smart motorways are dangerous. AA have banned their drivers from attending breakdowns on them following the death rates to drivers stuck in live lanes and attempting to exit their vehicles.

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Re: Another crash

Post by Zlatan » Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:00 am

tim_noone wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:07 am
And High Speed will kill More.
If that’s the case, why don’t more people die on Aeroplanes?

I maintain my correct assertion - speed does not kill, rapid deceleration does.

Whilst on the point, I get fed up with the statement “speed kills” because, as I highlighted it is wrong and there are usually other major factors involved that affect the outcome of a car impact. Notably stupidity and lack of experience.

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Re: Another crash

Post by clarethomer » Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:13 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:22 pm
It’s 50 at minute going toward Accrington. But as no cameras people just get up your backside and then race past or undercut you.
Don't condone driving up backsides or undercutting but..

You could simply move over and let them be a danger to someone else?

Another death on Skipton's roads too

https://www.cravenherald.co.uk/news/182 ... ston-cold/

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Re: Another crash

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:18 am

clarethomer wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:13 am
Don't condone driving up backsides or undercutting but..

You could simply move over and let them be a danger to someone else?

Another death on Skipton's roads too

https://www.cravenherald.co.uk/news/182 ... ston-cold/
You could. If you were in the lane that allows you to pull any further left. Or equally if in the ‘fast’ lane you weren’t being undercut in the middle lane.

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Re: Another crash

Post by J50 » Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:36 am

Cardclaret wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:38 am
Smart motorways are dangerous. AA have banned their drivers from attending breakdowns on them following the death rates to drivers stuck in live lanes and attempting to exit their vehicles.

Talking out of arse here... you have no idea. Just spouting reactionary and false crap about Smart Motorways from The Sun :roll: :roll:

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Re: Another crash

Post by clarethomer » Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:48 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:18 am
You could. If you were in the lane that allows you to pull any further left. Or equally if in the ‘fast’ lane you weren’t being undercut in the middle lane.
I just presumed that if they were passing you on your left there would be room to pull in. It frustrates the hell out of me though when you are just behind a queue of other cars so it's not actually you that's holding people up.

Lot of impatient drivers out there - many of which seem to have anger issues too.

I sometimes undercut middle lane drivers just to make a point though as the lane discipline in this country seems very poor in comparison to other countries i have driven in.

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Re: Another crash

Post by elwaclaret » Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:30 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:46 pm
Correct. And there seems to be a minimum of one a day on the 65 now.
Travel to Preston in rush hour four times a week. Totally agree it is like wacky races. The standard of driving on the roads anywhere from Gannow roundabouts to Preston centre the Highway Code is treated as an alternative ‘hippy’ ideal... inside lanes used for third exits being just the first Burnley example of accidents waiting to happen.

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Re: Another crash

Post by tim_noone » Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:03 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:00 am
If that’s the case, why don’t more people die on Aeroplanes?

I maintain my correct assertion - speed does not kill, rapid deceleration does.

Whilst on the point, I get fed up with the statement “speed kills” because, as I highlighted it is wrong and there are usually other major factors involved that affect the outcome of a car impact. Notably stupidity and lack of experience.
:lol: thought we were talking cars.... Google may give you the answer.

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Re: Another crash

Post by Zlatan » Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:09 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:03 pm
:lol: thought we were talking cars.... Google may give you the answer.
You mentioned speed, then high speed and that it kills - no mention of cars :D

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Re: Another crash

Post by tim_noone » Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:13 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:09 pm
You mentioned speed, then high speed and that it kills - no mention of cars :D
Oh sorry....you win :D
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Re: Another crash

Post by CoolClaret » Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:31 pm

Driving too quick for the conditions kills.

Imo there needs to be a different law that's applicable in different scenarios, ie 03:00 am going at 120mph on an empty motorway is vastly different than doing it at 08:00am with traffic around.

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Re: Another crash

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:45 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:31 pm
Driving too quick for the conditions kills.

Imo there needs to be a different law that's applicable in different scenarios, ie 03:00 am going at 120mph on an empty motorway is vastly different than doing it at 08:00am with traffic around.
But the result of you hit the central reservation when your tire blows or you hit an unexpected pothole will be the same.

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Re: Another crash

Post by dsr » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:47 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:45 pm
But the result of you hit the central reservation when your tire blows or you hit an unexpected pothole will be the same.
I don't think you're all that likely to cause a multiple car pile-up if you do it when there's no traffic about. On an empty motorway, you're likely to kill only yourself.

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Re: Another crash

Post by deanothedino » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:51 pm

dsr wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:43 pm
Are you saying that it's an entirely different set of drivers on the M65 from the people who drive on the other roads? That since they turned the lights off, the drivers have got worse?

Is it the same on "smart motorways" - the increase in deaths is caused by bad driving and not to do with the road?
The vast majority of the strategic road network is unlit, so I'd suggest it's more to do with the bad driving that is rampant on the M65 than the lights being removed.

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Re: Another crash

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:53 pm

dsr wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:47 pm
I don't think you're all that likely to cause a multiple car pile-up if you do it when there's no traffic about. On an empty motorway, you're likely to kill only yourself.
Not to worry that’s alright for the fire Brigade, paramedics, police and your family then.
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Re: Another crash

Post by dsr » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:59 pm

deanothedino wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:51 pm
The vast majority of the strategic road network is unlit, so I'd suggest it's more to do with the bad driving that is rampant on the M65 than the lights being removed.
The vast majority of the strategic road network doesn't have 8 junctions in 15 miles with extra lanes appearing and disappearing and at least one of the junctions liable to be so busy that there are standing cars on the main carriageway and more cars than the road can easily hold. Yes, you can look at the M6 north of Lancaster and say there are few accidents on there so why should there be more on the M65 at rush hour.

Have they tried switching all the light out on the M62 or the M65 or at Spaghetti Junction or where the M5 and M6 merge and split? I doubt it. Comparing our end of the M65 with the M6 north of Lancaster isn't a fiar comparison - are there any similarly crowded and involved stretches of motorway with no lights, not even at the junctions?

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Re: Another crash

Post by dsr » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:02 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:53 pm
Not to worry that’s alright for the fire Brigade, paramedics, police and your family then.
I think you might have misread what I said. What I said was that a crash when there is no-one else around isn't the same as a crash on a crowded road. I have no idea how you took that to mean that a crash when there is no-one else around didn't matter, but apologies for any confusion.

That is, I assume you were being sarcastic and don't really think a single car crash doesn't matter? Surely not.

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Re: Another crash

Post by deanothedino » Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:00 am

dsr wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:59 pm
The vast majority of the strategic road network doesn't have 8 junctions in 15 miles with extra lanes appearing and disappearing and at least one of the junctions liable to be so busy that there are standing cars on the main carriageway and more cars than the road can easily hold. Yes, you can look at the M6 north of Lancaster and say there are few accidents on there so why should there be more on the M65 at rush hour.

Have they tried switching all the light out on the M62 or the M65 or at Spaghetti Junction or where the M5 and M6 merge and split? I doubt it. Comparing our end of the M65 with the M6 north of Lancaster isn't a fiar comparison - are there any similarly crowded and involved stretches of motorway with no lights, not even at the junctions?
Where am I comparing it with the M6 north of Lancaster?

There are 4,500 miles in the UK strategic road network, the M6 north of Lancaster is about 75 miles.

70% of the SRN has never had lighting installed, that's 3,150 miles.

As for the junctions comparison. I don't know.

I'd say nationally, a bigger issue is the maintenance of cat eyes. They are essential for unlit roads and it many locations (particularly trunk roads to places in Devon/Cornwall, and Southampton off the top of my head) you can't see them until they're about 15m in front of you - which is pretty poor.

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Re: Another crash

Post by dsr » Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:00 pm

deanothedino wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:00 am
Where am I comparing it with the M6 north of Lancaster?

There are 4,500 miles in the UK strategic road network, the M6 north of Lancaster is about 75 miles.

70% of the SRN has never had lighting installed, that's 3,150 miles.

As for the junctions comparison. I don't know.

I'd say nationally, a bigger issue is the maintenance of cat eyes. They are essential for unlit roads and it many locations (particularly trunk roads to places in Devon/Cornwall, and Southampton off the top of my head) you can't see them until they're about 15m in front of you - which is pretty poor.
You're comparing it roads like the M6 north of Lancaster. I'm not mile-by-nile familiar with the entire network, but I know that bit and it isn't lit and doesn't have as many accidents as the M65.

The point is, virtually all the network is run by the Highways Agency who put lights on the tricky bits with busy junctions and lanes going from three to two, and leave (by and large) only the straight, easy bits unlit. The M65 east of Blackburn is run by the County Council who have chosen to switch all the lights off, and in the case of Burnley to Colne, to dig them up entirely, even though it is (as motorways go) a tricky bit of road.

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Re: Another crash

Post by deanothedino » Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:58 pm

dsr wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:00 pm
You're comparing it roads like the M6 north of Lancaster. I'm not mile-by-nile familiar with the entire network, but I know that bit and it isn't lit and doesn't have as many accidents as the M65.

The point is, virtually all the network is run by the Highways Agency who put lights on the tricky bits with busy junctions and lanes going from three to two, and leave (by and large) only the straight, easy bits unlit. The M65 east of Blackburn is run by the County Council who have chosen to switch all the lights off, and in the case of Burnley to Colne, to dig them up entirely, even though it is (as motorways go) a tricky bit of road.
Gotcha, cause you know that 1.6% of the network that must have been what I was comparing it to. I wasn’t.

Rather than (a road that is getting improved lighting) the A34 to Winchester that is a tricky road. Largely unlit, crap cat eyes, generally very dangerous.

I don’t think Burnley to Colne is tricky. You could make a case for lighting the junctions but not the rest to be honest. It’s more of a dual carriageway than a motorway, and the main problem is the people who drive on it and their behaviour.

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Re: Another crash

Post by dsr » Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:07 am

I reckon that when you are driving past Brierfield exit towards Colne with traffic merging from the left, the next junction less than a mile away so traffic is merging from the right, the fair chance that there will be standing traffic on the hard shoulder or even the carriageway itself, standing water filling the outside lane, and it's pitch dark on top; that's tricky.

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