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Sunderland Till I Die

Post by Shappie » Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:03 pm

I’ve been recommended to watch this documentary on Netflix. Has anyone on here seen it and is it any good?

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Re: Sunderland Till I Die

Post by Hopey1786 » Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:04 pm

Yes
Good
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Re: Sunderland Till I Die

Post by DCWat » Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:12 pm

Shappie wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:03 pm
I’ve been recommended to watch this documentary on Netflix. Has anyone on here seen it and is it any good?
Didn’t you trust the person recommending it? :lol:

It is a decent watch, as is the Man City one.

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Re: Sunderland Till I Die

Post by Shappie » Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:18 pm

DCWat wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:12 pm
Didn’t you trust the person recommending it? :lol:

It is a decent watch, as is the Man City one.


Always good to get a second opinion!!
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Re: Sunderland Till I Die

Post by jdrobbo » Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:47 pm

Good series
Well worth a watch.

Some poor editing with stadium shots (close-ups of managers shouting at players during game A despite being at Stadium B etc.)

Next series starts later this month. Looking forward to it.
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Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:57 pm

jdrobbo wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:47 pm
Next series starts later this month. Looking forward to it.
Cheers, JD. I’ve been checking regularly for it. A hard watch for diehard Mackems with Pompey doing them twice at Wembley.

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Re: Sunderland Till I Die

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:58 pm

Worth watching just to see the anger from the fans at some games and then the despair. We’ve all been through it.

Also, Grayson would hardly inspire you if you were a footballer.

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Post by ksrclaret » Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:04 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:58 pm
Worth watching just to see the anger from the fans at some games and then the despair. We’ve all been through it.

Also, Grayson would hardly inspire you if you were a footballer.
Hasn’t he got 4 promotions on his CV? He mustn’t be that bad.

As good as the documentary is, the editing is clearly done to favour some and paint others in poor light.

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Re: Sunderland Till I Die

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:08 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:04 pm
Hasn’t he got 4 promotions on his CV? He mustn’t be that bad.

As good as the documentary is, the editing is clearly done to favour some and paint others in poor light.
He has those promotions. Have a good friend who supports Sunderland and I told him they’d made a good appointment with Grayson. But when you see his team talk ..... wouldn’t inspire anyone.

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Post by Hopey1786 » Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:11 pm

Im surprised nobody chinned jack.rodwell in his time there
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Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:13 pm

1 of the better 1s I'm watching another about bielsa & Leeds at the moment, regarding the STID I think Martin bain could have benefitted from reading the blood pressure thread I got the impression he seemed stressed out whilst there.

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Re: Sunderland Till I Die

Post by claret wizard » Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:11 pm

The Leeds one is awful. It's a bit like their season, starts off interesting, then you realise it's just Leeds bigging themselves up and then it all falls to pieces.

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Re: Sunderland Till I Die

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:15 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:13 pm
I think Martin bain could have benefitted from reading the blood pressure thread I got the impression he seemed stressed out whilst there.
He's had a varied career - started as a model and then moved into football with Rangers and then Maccabi Tel-Aviv before getting stressed out at Sunderland. He's now CEO of Football Sports Development who run the Indian Super League.

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Re: Sunderland Till I Die

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:21 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:15 pm
He's had a varied career - started as a model and then moved into football with Rangers and then Maccabi Tel-Aviv before getting stressed out at Sunderland. He's now CEO of Football Sports Development who run the Indian Super League.
He came across very well in the programme to me, but you could sense, well I could he was on edge & the situation at Sunderland was mentally strength zapping for him.

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Post by Wile E Coyote » Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:24 pm

its a very good series of programmes. good insight into club.

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Post by claretblue » Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:30 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:15 pm
He's now CEO of Football Sports Development who run the Indian Super League
he may meet up with our former Godlike former manager (now head coach of Chennaiyin F.C)

...they could discuss career choices! :?

UTC

:D

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Re: Sunderland Till I Die

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:35 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:21 pm
He came across very well in the programme to me, but you could sense, well I could he was on edge & the situation at Sunderland was mentally strength zapping for him.
To be fair though, I think any one of us would have been on the edge trying to steer that club out of trouble. If ever there was an example of a club relying on an owner and over spending, there you have it.

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Post by FCBurnley » Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:44 pm

Excellent series.

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Re: Sunderland Till I Die

Post by Rowls » Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:23 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:21 pm
He came across very well in the programme to me, but you could sense, well I could he was on edge & the situation at Sunderland was mentally strength zapping for him.
Really? :shock:

I thought he [Martin Bain] came across as a preening, self-satisfied, arrogant prat who thought the documentary would be a feature of how he was guiding Sunderland back to the Premier League.

He was embarrassing.

But it's all about opinions. Yours in just as valid, it's always amazing when two people can watch exactly the same thing and come away with entirely different interpretations.

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Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:47 pm

True, like it’s already been said, he was on a hiding to nothing from the outset, the very moment Ellis short lost interest & reined in the spending it became a damage limitation exercise.

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Re: Sunderland Till I Die

Post by Steve1956 » Sun May 17, 2020 4:32 pm

Just binged watched the second series of this this afternoon what a fantastic documentary.
And just a reminder why we all love football,I actually felt sorry for the Sunderland fans at the end...brilliant tv.

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Post by TVC15 » Sun May 17, 2020 5:01 pm

Yep after watching both series got to admit to watching out for their results and wanting them to to well. Unfortunately they seem to be developing the “Leeds” habit of blowing things and just missing out.

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Post by Cajun » Sun May 17, 2020 5:16 pm

I watched the 2nd series through in two sittings recently and thoroughly enjoyed it - have to admit to a kind of perverse pleasure in watching the fans having their hopes built up so much while I knew it was all going to come crashing down about them :) I had forgotten that it was my old hometown club Fleetwood that ended their automatic promotion chances that season, and had to laugh at the angry comments as the fans streamed out of Fleetwood's ground. The series does capture the passion of being a diehard fan though. Could have done with a few more "explainers" as to what was going on for viewers not familiar with the English lower levels though.

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Post by Vegas Claret » Sun May 17, 2020 5:24 pm

Rowls wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:23 pm
Really? :shock:

I thought he [Martin Bain] came across as a preening, self-satisfied, arrogant prat who thought the documentary would be a feature of how he was guiding Sunderland back to the Premier League.

He was embarrassing.

But it's all about opinions. Yours in just as valid, it's always amazing when two people can watch exactly the same thing and come away with entirely different interpretations.
I thought that too to a degree at first but then decided he was trying to drive the employees out of the apathy they all clearly suffer from.

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Re: Sunderland Till I Die

Post by LeadBelly » Sun May 17, 2020 5:24 pm

I got access to Netflix for the first time about 10 days ago and this was the first thing I watched. Binged both series over 4/5 days; compulsive stuff and some great characters.
I thought Baines was useless; he had the right sort of manners/appearance and a few cliches but no problem solving ability or real management/ organisational skills.

Stewart Donald came across as decent bloke who is pretty dedicated to applying some methodology to turning things around instead of just hoping for the best. He did, though, get overemotional re the signing on deadline day of Will Grigg. Poor decision that which cost a lot of money and acheived nothing.

Charlie Methven I thought had the right sort of business approach to getting costs down/income up but probably needs to work on diplomacy/ personal comms before getting back into the football industry (his style probably works in a lot of industries though).

Good/ interesting cross-section of fans covered in the series I though.

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Post by Steve1956 » Sun May 17, 2020 5:49 pm

I also thought the music was excellent from the tune at the beginning of the programme to the doom laden track that played when you just knew Sunderland were going to concede a last minute goal :)

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Post by Sheedyclaret » Sun May 17, 2020 6:14 pm

Its good along with the last dance if you haven't viewed that yet

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun May 17, 2020 6:24 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:04 pm
Hasn’t he got 4 promotions on his CV? He mustn’t be that bad.

As good as the documentary is, the editing is clearly done to favour some and paint others in poor light.
I always thought he was decent manager below the premier league and was surprised he never took a team to the premier. But as Tony said he is very uninspiring. That said he may just be uncomfortable with the whole tv thing. I get the impression he was.

Hadn’t realised there was a second series. Will be sure to watch it as really enjoyed the first.

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Post by Swizzlestick » Sun May 17, 2020 6:30 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:58 pm
Worth watching just to see the anger from the fans at some games and then the despair. We’ve all been through it.

Also, Grayson would hardly inspire you if you were a footballer.
Grayson doesn’t seem too bad, he’s had a decent managerial career. Also sound on a personal level by all accounts I’ve heard. Think he just dislikes interviews. Sunderland a poisoned chalice for anybody.

I think I’m one of the few who thought the fans didn’t come across that great.

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Post by LeadBelly » Sun May 17, 2020 6:39 pm

Swizzlestick wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 6:30 pm
Grayson doesn’t seem too bad, he’s had a decent managerial career. Also sound on a personal level by all accounts I’ve heard. Think he just dislikes interviews. Sunderland a poisoned chalice for anybody.

I think I’m one of the few who thought the fans didn’t come across that great.
I liked a lot of the fans and people working at the club. There were some over-entitled fans who just seemed to want to curse and swear when things weren't going their way (lots of screaming "sh*te" without offering any positive comments) but I doubt that's unique to Sun'lan. ;)

I thought the ex-forces guy came across really well and the taxi driver has made it big in Argentina it seems https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/peo ... ns-2853192

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Re: Sunderland Till I Die

Post by Steve1956 » Sun May 17, 2020 7:18 pm

They blew 3 million on Will Grigg,dont think he was even in the team at the end of last season,just had a peek at the league one table it dosent look like they are going up this season either....I hope this season has been documented for a third series,I've always found Sunderland fans very amicable,its sad to see them in the third tier and struggling to get out of it.

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Post by ClaretTony » Sun May 17, 2020 7:45 pm

Swizzlestick wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 6:30 pm
Grayson doesn’t seem too bad, he’s had a decent managerial career. Also sound on a personal level by all accounts I’ve heard. Think he just dislikes interviews. Sunderland a poisoned chalice for anybody.

I think I’m one of the few who thought the fans didn’t come across that great.
They were my thoughts but his talk to the players wouldn’t have inspired anyone.

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Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Mon May 18, 2020 8:16 am

The good news is with the lockdown I was able to fast forward a few series and they do win the North East Counties in a couple of years....
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Post by Cubanclaret » Mon May 18, 2020 12:10 pm

A good watch. Makes me feel lucky and proud to support Burnley. The new owners in Series 2 seem only marginally more credible than the previous ones.
But I found myself rooting for them.
Apparently the success of this series has garnered the club huge levels of on-line support worldwide, with big interest in live streams of their matches, especially in the US.
Watching this series encouraged me to take the hot seat on Football Manager (A bit of Furlough/lockdown escapism). Got them back to the Prem in 3 seasons. Kevin Long keeping things tight at the back :)

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