Andre Gray

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:17 pm

Seems like it was Andre that we asked for when Watford wanted Gibson.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/02/10/d ... he-called/

snapcrackleandpop · Post by **snapcrackleandpop** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:26 pm

I would have him back.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:28 pm

I’d have him back, providing the price is right.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:30 pm

A really hope we don’t bring back the England C international .He was good for us and we got shut at the right time , his limitations at this level are there for all to see

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:33 pm

I liked Andre Gray - not sure it's a progressive move though

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:34 pm

He’s hardly proven that he’s tuned his banjo for the premier league. There won’t be many cows fearing a wholloping!

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:37 pm

Sorry not for me.... unless of course Watford gave us £15m plus Gray for Gibson....

Now that would be vfm

COBBLE · Post by **COBBLE** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:45 pm

His goal (our second) at Palace was one of the best goals I have seen.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:46 pm

I’d have him back for the simple fact it will be a further step away from the long ball we play when Wood and Barnes start.

Have someone with pace to get in behind the lines is an option we lack at present

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:48 pm

mmmm.... Interesting one.

I'd have him back. As a swap for Gibson it would be a good deal. Gibson isn't going to play whereas Andre would offer something different up front.
I would even say Andre would do better than Barnes.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:48 pm

I'd say an attacking midfielder is far more of a priority than AG.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:55 pm

Probably made sense if the offer was right, it would have allowed vydra to move, and gray would be a better option than him off the bench.... Nixon did say we could go back in the summer, but I would have thought there will be better options then....

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:55 pm

Imagine the offsides if Wood and Gray played together

It’s easy if you try

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:01 pm

Dyched wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:55 pm
Imagine the offsides if Wood and Gray played together

It’s easy if you try

not that easy if your imagination is of the glass half full variety

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:08 pm

Inchy wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:46 pm
I’d have him back for the simple fact it will be a further step away from the long ball we play when Wood and Barnes start.

Have someone with pace to get in behind the lines is an option we lack at present

Not sure about that. Gray seemed to thrive off long balls into the channels, whereas his general link up play was below par.

Not a bad 4th choice striker but I'd rather we took a gamble with a younger up and comer rather than someone who has already looked out of his depth at this level.

Hopey1786 · Post by **Hopey1786** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:11 pm

Hes better than our current lot so big yes from me

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:13 pm

Hopey1786 wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:11 pm
Hes better than our current lot so big yes from me

In what way is he better than our current lot?

Bertiebeehead · Post by **Bertiebeehead** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:14 pm

Hopey1786 wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:11 pm
Hes better than our current lot so big yes from me

Absolute ********

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:17 pm

Hopey1786 wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:11 pm
Hes better than our current lot so big yes from me

What???

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:18 pm

He was walking around with a face like a slapped @rse such was his desire to leave and be dernn serfff with the pussy cat doll, no way for me.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:22 pm

bfcjg wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:18 pm
He was walking around with a face like a slapped @rse such was his desire to leave and be dernn serfff with the pussy cat doll, no way for me.

Little Mix Minx but I know what you mean

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:24 pm

He'd inject some much needed pace into the side, and give us a few more options. Yes for me.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:26 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:48 pm
I'd say an attacking midfielder is far more of a priority than AG.

100%

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:26 pm

No. Just no.

Reeks of planning for the championship to me. Decent forward at that level, not at this.

If it was delefeu, different matter.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:28 pm

Can’t see it happening because of his wages - he’ll see out his contract I reckon.
If he could pick up the form he showed at Burnley he would offer us something different with his pace for sure. The worry is that he has hardly been picked to start for Watford and they have had a lot of injuries and suspensions whilst he has been there. It’s not like Watford have been pulling up any trees either or play that different a style to us etc.

A year long loan swap with Gibson might work as long as we didn’t have an obligation to buy Gray at the end of it (and Watford had to buy Gibson !!!)

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:29 pm

claretandy wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:17 pm
Seems like it was Andre that we asked for when Watford wanted Gibson.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/02/10/d ... he-called/

Can see why. Definitely give us an extra option while removing one from Watfordwould definitely take gray back was excellent for us. And a different dimension to anything we have.

Only question would be his hunger.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:31 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:29 pm
Only question would be his hunger.

Sean could make him an omelette

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:31 pm

Old trampoline boots isnt Premier League standard

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:35 pm

Hopey1786 wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:11 pm
Hes better than our current lot so big yes from me

Put that fishing rod away!

PS - Presuming that you're not being serious! You're not are you?????

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:37 pm

claretandy wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:17 pm
Seems like it was Andre that we asked for when Watford wanted Gibson.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/02/10/d ... he-called/

HITC making a story out of nothing again. Was confirmed locally that any sort of swap deal hadn’t been discussed.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:41 pm

Right now I think forward places are up for grabs. Chris Wood seems like he is first pick and Vydra has no chance. So Gray, JayRod and Barnes would be pretty equal for the second spot and would mean we have players we can bring on from the bench.
I’d hope this would not be at the cost of the other positions we need to get players in but more of a case of Watford being interested in Gibson and Vydra (and Gibson) tying up big wages here and playing virtually no part.

Might also be people adding up 2 + 2 because of the Gibson link to Watford - we have got to be looking at releasing the likes of Gibson, Vydra and a few others to release the wages we need to bring in quality.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:47 pm

Had wages and the fee's all been agreeable and Gray been up for it would have been a good move.

When he was last with us he was our #1 striker which he was not good enough to be. This time he would be replacing Vydra (who we could have sold) as a back up option.

Wood and Jay starting with Barnes and Gray as options on the bench and cover for injuries and poor form would be a great attacking line up for a club with our budget

ChorltonCharlie · Post by **ChorltonCharlie** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:50 pm

Wouldn't be a player I'd be desperate to see back, but I'm not sure of the "he's not Premier League standard" argument. If you're looking at top 6, then no he obviously isn't, but his record for a bottom half team is not too bad. 23 goals in 111 appearances isn't great, but only 62 of those have been starts. His goalscoring record is similar to that of Barnes.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:51 pm

I think second slot up front very definitely is Rodriguez's at present. He's been excellent over the past month, give or take a couple of chances he himself knows he ought to have buried.

I assume that if there was any interest in Gray, it was on the basis that as a short term signing he'd allow Vydra to leave. But long term, I don't think we need 4 out and out strikers - we need 3, plus either a "one for the future" or someone who can play wide as well as up top. But it is undoubtedly pace we lack.

JTClaret · Post by **JTClaret** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:54 pm

I mean he is quick, and he did well for us... but... his touch! For the love of God, won't somebody think of his touch! Ball control is not one of his finer skills.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:01 pm

But Barnes was “definitely” our no 2 striker a couple of months ago....it was more a point that there would probably be little between Gray, Jay and Barnes and the latter 2 are likely to pick up injuries at their age and none of the 3 are prolific.
I agree if Jay plays like he has done recently then he’s no 2 (actually arguably he’s no1)...but at the start of the season it was Barnes no 1 and being talked about for England etc.

Also agree that we probably don’t need 4 out and out strikers - at least not 4 on as much money as they are now (or would be with Gray instead of Vydra)

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:02 pm

Adds pace
Already has rapport with Dyche & the club.
If he plays he's around a 10 goal a season striker at this level, which is what we can reasonably hope for.
We will always want a Wood/Vokes target man but adds competition for the second striker role JayRod has filled.

Downside is at 28 not one for the long term and no resale value, so fee must be right. But definitely a couple decent seasons in him still with the right manager.

Also sends a nice message: the grass isn't always greener

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:05 pm

I couldn’t see anything being in this for a number of reasons, main being that as good as Gray was in the Championship, let’s say he lacks PL pedigree imo. Also think Gibson will come into his own next year should Tarks move on, which I would expect to be highly probable.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:13 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:37 pm
HITC making a story out of nothing again. Was confirmed locally that any sort of swap deal hadn’t been discussed.

Not sure who confirmed it locally, but if it was one of the local papers I'd trust nixon over every one of them.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:13 pm

ashtonlongsider wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:05 pm
I couldn’t see anything being in this for a number of reasons, main being that as good as Gray was in the Championship, let’s say he lacks PL pedigree imo.

Gray got nine goals for us in his first season in the Premier League, that's quite impressive. Since then he's not had regular minutes at Watford.
Last season still managed 7 goals and two assists in 1350 mins, than only 39% of the season in game time.

There's players with far worse records in starting XIs let alone on benches.

We applaud Barnes and Wood for hitting double figures, if we did unearth 15+ goal striker we'd have a real struggle keeping them for any length. So that 10 goal a season, flying under the radar striker is about our level and I think Gray still fits the mold.

Marney&Mee · Post by **Marney&Mee** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:25 pm

we'll have Deeney instead when they go down...and that Doucoure fella

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:07 pm

When we heard Barnes was going to be out for some time and with only two serious strikers in Jay and Wood, it would have been a great bit of business as a short term loan with Gibson going the other way until the season end.

He has pace, scored lots of goals for us and a far greater option on the bench than Vydra. He would have a a point to prove. If Wood and Jay get injured we are currently screwed until Barnes returns

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:26 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:48 pm
I'd say an attacking midfielder is far more of a priority than AG.

I thought that's what Brownhill was,his goals/assists would definitely suggest as much.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:27 pm

Couldn't trap a bag of cement ....That's Fine, love his pace.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:35 pm

Inchy wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:46 pm
I’d have him back for the simple fact it will be a further step away from the long ball we play when Wood and Barnes start.

Have someone with pace to get in behind the lines is an option we lack at present

To be fair Gray was never super quick and not the sort of player to cause defences many problems .That said he was literally starved of service on many occasions . There’s lots worse but a backward move surely

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:59 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:37 pm
HITC making a story out of nothing again. Was confirmed locally that any sort of swap deal hadn’t been discussed.

Nixon confirmed we asked for a player.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:07 pm

I'm happy to have someone with his eye for goal and genuine pace to give us another option rather like Jay Rod is currently offering us. I don't think we have many players who can trap a ball at the same standard as the Premier League elite so his percieved lack of control isn't a factor.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:16 pm

claretandy wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:59 pm
Nixon confirmed we asked for a player.

He said it was gray in the sun yesterday

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:43 pm

Grumps wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:16 pm
He said it was gray in the sun yesterday

Given that was the name doing the rounds from before deadline day it was an easy one to call yesterday. I'm sure there is an interest but the info locally last week was that there was no suggestion of a swap deal at all.

Have to say I'm surprised how much he's struggled to get game time at Watford but from what I've picked up on visits to Vicarage Road, their fans don't like him. I thought he did a terrific job for us for two years.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:47 pm

At the end of the day Gibson is a far better central defender than Gray will ever be