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The Flu that killed..
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:22 pm
by tim_noone
50 million people over 100 years ago on BBC2 is this scaremongering relating to events in China... Strange time to broadcast By The BBC.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:28 pm
by Funkydrummer
I seem to remember having a few flu scares over my lifetime.
Spanish flu, Russian flu, and I'm sure there have been others that I can't recall.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:32 pm
by thatdberight
Funkydrummer wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:28 pm
I seem to remember having a few flu scares over my lifetime.
Spanish flu, Russian flu, and I'm sure there have been others that I can't recall.
How old are you?!
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:34 pm
by Funkydrummer
Old enough to have a season ticket in the Bob Lord stand.
67 years young.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:40 pm
by Funkydrummer
Swine flu and Asian flu have also come to mind.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:45 pm
by Damo
I had Beer flu last saturday morning
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:46 pm
by tim_noone
A reason I try not to watch mainstream TV these days. They had an hour special last year on Britain melting under the heat...we were ok in the end..well some of us. I don't know anyone who succumbed. A few weeks ago Australia was brought into our living rooms with most of the country Burning...it's all quiet on the News now I take it things are better.they Love scaremongering these media powers that be.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:16 am
by COBBLE
Funkydrummer wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:34 pm
Old enough to have a season ticket in the Bob Lord stand.
67 years young.
Snap.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:26 am
by Volvoclaret
What are you old gimmers doing up at this time of night? I'm a mere youngster of 64, 65 in 2 weeks.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:29 am
by Volvoclaret
BTW when I was young, everyone had chimmny flue.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:33 am
by tim_noone
Volvoclaret wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:26 am
What are you old gimmers doing up at this time of night? I'm a mere youngster of 64, 65 in 2 weeks.
Like old folks home on here...
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:39 am
by Rowls
'Flu kills people every year.
It's people saying they've "got 'flu" when really they've got a mild cold that means people don't treat it seriously.
A proper bout of 'flu could lay up a fit and healthy young person for a fortnite. Could easily be lethal to somebody with health problems, elderly or infirm.
'Flu can be deadly.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:52 am
by tim_noone
Rowls wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:39 am
'Flu kills people every year.
It's people saying they've "got 'flu" when really they've got a mild cold that means people don't treat it seriously.
A proper bout of 'flu could lay up a fit and healthy young person for a fortnite. Could easily be lethal to somebody with health problems, elderly or infirm.
'Flu can be deadly.
Would you have the flu jab?
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:55 am
by spadesclaret
tim_noone wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:52 am
Would you have the flu jab?
You'd be foolish not to have it.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:03 am
by tim_noone
spadesclaret wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:55 am
You'd be foolish not to have it.
Ahh spades was wondering where you'd got to not 5 minutes ago.strange..any way I did have the jab for the first time in Nov/Dec. I just have my doubts has I still get all the cold like symptoms. Though they're now passing! I wish you well.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:21 am
by spadesclaret
The jab may give you mild flu-like symptoms although it never has with me. If it stops you from getting the real flu then it's worth it, especially as you get older. As Rowls says, flu can be deadly.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:40 am
by Bullabill
Volvoclaret » .............
"BTW when I was young, everyone had chimmny flue."
And it's likely most could spell it.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:02 am
by HunterST_BFC
This is an old program .
Why the Anti BBC for showing it? -showing it again (it's been shown multiple times in the UK over the years and also sold abroad).
It is a timely reminder for today. If you choose to be ignorant / feel safe that things can't happen fair enough.
Lessons are there in history.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:31 am
by SalouClaret
tim_noone wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:46 pm
A reason I try not to watch mainstream TV these days. They had an hour special last year on Britain melting under the heat...we were ok in the end..well some of us. I don't know anyone who succumbed. A few weeks ago Australia was brought into our living rooms with most of the country Burning...it's all quiet on the News now I take it things are better.they Love scaremongering these media powers that be.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:41 am
by evensteadiereddie
Pack it in, tim...
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:20 am
by TsarBomba
Rowls wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:39 am
'Flu kills people every year.
It's people saying they've "got 'flu" when really they've got a mild cold that means people don't treat it seriously.
A proper bout of 'flu could lay up a fit and healthy young person for a fortnite. Could easily be lethal to somebody with health problems, elderly or infirm.
'Flu can be deadly.
Absolutely right.
I got flu once. I was 12/13, walked to school In the morning and got soaking wet. I was in wet clothes for the rest of the day, and somehow managed to get home again before I collapsed through the front door.
I was in bed for 7 days pretty much unable to move, and lost 2 stone in weight.
To this day, 20+ years later, it is still the worst I have ever felt.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:59 am
by Tricky Trevor
TsarBomba wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:20 am
I got flu once. I was 12/13, walked to school In the morning and got soaking wet.
A coincidence, Tsar. Influenza is a virus. You probably caught it from a classmate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:57 am
by Dark Cloud
When I was at Primary School in 1968 I remember all the talk was of Hong Kong flu and looking it up now it apparently killed about 1 million people world wide. Wow!!
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:23 am
by LeadBelly
Agree with a couple of previous posts: normal flu (as opposed to "a bad cold") is debilitating. I only had it once, early 30s & very fit then, my partner caught it at the same time (thankfully before we had kids to look after). Neither of us could get out of bed to even make tea/soup (thankfully her mother lived nearby and acted nurse for a couple of days).
I dont think twice about having the flu jab nowadays, I'm still reasonably hardy but, at 70, it would be a bugger of a trial to suffer flu now.
I didnt watch the programme last night but always been aware of the post WW1 flu epidemic that is said to have finished more people than the war itself.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:33 am
by houseboy
Volvoclaret wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:26 am
What are you old gimmers doing up at this time of night? I'm a mere youngster of 64, 65 in 2 weeks.
You are 6 months younger than me son, but we do own a Volvo.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:35 am
by houseboy
spadesclaret wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:55 am
You'd be foolish not to have it.
I've never had a flu jab...and I've never had flu...not even the 'man' version.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:38 am
by houseboy
As doctors have been trying to tell people for years (but many don't listen)...you don't get a cold from being cold (or flu from getting wet).
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:43 am
by get stuck in tracy
Ive had many injections in my time but I did turn down the fresh meat injection that was offered to me during my time in the navy!
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:48 am
by houseboy
Lest we forget:
Bird flu.
Mad cow disease.
Aids.
Insert any 'plague' to the above list.
All these things were going to bring about the end of the world...last time I looked the overwhelming majority of people are still here.
Incidentally, as bad as this latest virus may be, are the stats on mortality any worse than normal flu? Is it just more virulent? I'm asking out of genuine interest as I have seen a figure of around 2% mortality...is that correct and is it any worse than the rate for normal flu? And given that most of the cases so far have been in China, a massively populated country with some very poor areas, would we see the same mortality rate in the west?
I don't know, I'm just posing the question.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:53 am
by ClaretAndJew
1017 dead from Coronavirus
7+ billion people on Earth.
I'd say we're gonna be fine.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:14 am
by Jakubclaret
houseboy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:48 am
Lest we forget:
Bird flu.
Mad cow disease.
Aids.
Insert any 'plague' to the above list.
All these things were going to bring about the end of the world...last time I looked the overwhelming majority of people are still here.
Incidentally, as bad as this latest virus may be, are the stats on mortality any worse than normal flu? Is it just more virulent? I'm asking out of genuine interest as I have seen a figure of around 2% mortality...is that correct and is it any worse than the rate for normal flu? And given that most of the cases so far have been in China, a massively populated country with some very poor areas, would we see the same mortality rate in the west?
I don't know, I'm just posing the question.
The glaring difference being we know the animal that is the everyday influenza, this little bugger doing the rounds we don't really have a jar of glue yet.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:22 am
by scouseclaret
ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:53 am
1017 dead from Coronavirus
7+ billion people on Earth.
I'd say we're gonna be fine.
Indeed, and “normal” strains of flu kill 10-15,000 people in the UK alone every year (according to last night’s news).
I get that you can’t take risks with unknown new viruses, but the reaction does seem to a bit OTT.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:13 pm
by tim_noone
scouseclaret wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:22 am
Indeed, and “normal” strains of flu kill 10-15,000 people in the UK alone every year (according to last night’s news).
I get that you can’t take risks with unknown new viruses, but the reaction does seem to a bit OTT.
That was my point about scaremongering tbh.though agreed you don't want to be catching it.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:21 pm
by Volvoclaret
Bullabill wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:40 am
Volvoclaret » .............
"BTW when I was young, everyone had chimmny flue."
And it's likely most could spell it.
Sorry, chimney, although we used to call them chimleys .
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:24 pm
by Volvoclaret
houseboy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:33 am
You are 6 months younger than me son, but we do own a Volvo.
So, you're a sensible old gimmer.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:40 pm
by Goalposts
the flu jab protects you against last years virus, thats how it works .
whatever strain comes out during this season is then used to develop next years jab. th
The majority of flu vaccines are grown in chicken eggs, a method of vaccine development that's been around for 70 years or so. The flu virus constantly mutates, making it difficult to develop a current vaccine hence why the jab is always 12 months behind any new strain.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:42 pm
by Rowls
tim_noone wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:52 am
Would you have the flu jab?
If I was in a group deemed at risk then yes.
But I'm a very healthy chap so it's not recommended as necessary. But I know just how bad 'flu is and how it knocks you off your feet.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:45 pm
by Rowls
Goalposts wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:40 pm
the flu jab protects you against last years virus, thats how it works .
whatever strain comes out during this season is then used to develop next years jab. th
The majority of flu vaccines are grown in chicken eggs, a method of vaccine development that's been around for 70 years or so. The flu virus constantly mutates, making it difficult to develop a current vaccine hence why the jab is always 12 months behind any new strain.
I don't think that's quite true: Virologists study how influenza develops and pick a straing they *think* is mostly likely to be prevalent.
It's guesswork, but very educated guesswork. They don't simply use "last years strain". Sometimes they don't target the prevalent straing as effectively as they would have hoped.
That much I know. Any more and we'd need a real expert rather than in internet know-it-all like myself.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:05 pm
by turfytopper
I went down with flu in the winter of 1978. I was super fit and only 19. I was in bed for three days unable to move..I literally thought i was a gonner.
I'd recommend everyone has the vaccine whatever their age.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:26 pm
by jollyjack
Its topical in the same way the 100 year anniversary of the 1914-1918 war has been reviewed year on year over the last 4-5 years. 20 million combat deaths during the conflict are dwarfed by the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918-1920. Useful to keep in mind the deadly power of nature as well as that of mans stupidity in warfare.
Re: The Flu that killed..
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:27 am
by Quicknick
The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 killed so many people because of the poor war diet people were eating - soldiers eating tinned luncheon meat, no vegetables etc - and the stress the conflict caused. Bad diet and stress are two main factors in reducing resistance to infection.
Dr Quicknick
