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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Hibsclaret » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:59 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:51 pm
They've just discussed this on 5Live, Jon Walters is on there.
Needless to say Gibson is the victim.
Not heard it but the last person you’d want commenting would be another player failing to get any playing time under Dyche. After his impersonation of a fish in the desert at Basaksehir I would take anything spouted by Walters with a pinch of salt
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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:59 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:52 pm
Unfortunately this is the prefect piece of news to get the likes of Boycie away from selling his second hand cars...and on a tirade

I’m not sure how you can expect Dyche to get us comfortable in the premier league whilst making money on every transfer and playing everyone in the squad regularly. It is impossible and proven in pretty much every premier league squad. When you have 25 players a few will not play much. If they choose to spit the dummy out they need to be kept away as our squad morale is imperative at Burnley.

The idiots moaning as to why we signed him would be moaning if we hadn’t if Mee or Tarky had been injured at any point.,,,

You don't spend that much on a third choice centre half for a club like us who are short of cash - it's been a bad signing all-around and we have had quite a few these last couple of years

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Hibsclaret » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:01 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:55 pm
I just happened on it.
Basically bulling up Gibson as a model professional, and BFC's failure.
A model professional who is not good as Tarks and Mee
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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Hibsclaret » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:02 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:59 pm
You don't spend that much on a third choice centre half for a club like us who are short of cash - it's been a bad signing all-around and we have had quite a few these last couple of years
Tosh. What’s the net spend/value of the squad compared to 5 years ago....it has clearly been an absolute disaster....for the doom mongers

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Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:03 pm

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:03 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:59 pm
You don't spend that much on a third choice centre half for a club like us who are short of cash - it's been a bad signing all-around and we have had quite a few these last couple of years
If we’d paid 5 million for Gibson would you be taking this news a bit better?

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by grapidianclaret » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:04 pm

Were you the one voice against this signing when it happened Boysie? And how much should the club have spent on a center half? You bitch when they spend and you bitch when they do not spend. Have they done anything well in the last 10 years in your opinion?

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by jrgbfc » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:06 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:55 pm
I just happened on it.
Basically bulling up Gibson as a model professional, and BFC's failure.
The happy clappers won't like that.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Hibsclaret » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:06 pm

Tarks cost 3m worth circa 40m
Mee worth 10m more than purchase
Lowton, Taylor, Westwood, Barnes the same
Rodriguez, Wood worth more than purchase price
Pope cost a few mill worth north of 30m

Even the failures of Vydra and Gibson will be smallish losses at worst....

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:07 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:44 pm
Can you let me know a run of games where Mee was poor and Gibson was fit and ready to step in?

Even when we were having our rough patch during the first half of last season (when Gibson was injured, incidentally) Mee was one of the better performers. It was Tarkowski who blew a bit more hot n cold.

Second half of last season Mee (and Tarkowski) were outstanding.

This season, in the main, Mee and Tarkowski have been excellent.

You could quite rightly say that Gibson has been unlucky but there's a reason he hasn't played in place of Mee - it's because Mee is a better centre half than Gibson.

Disagree about this season - have you forgot about the multiple mistakes by both of them

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by jrgbfc » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:08 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:52 pm
Why do you want him to be dropped? You and Boysie have dedicated nearly your whole day posting about your unhappiness about Gibson not playing and how much we spent on him.
I’d hate to see how you handle personal problems life throws in your way!?
Where have I said I want him dropped? Just pointed out that it will never happen while Dyche is here.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Hibsclaret » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:09 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:08 pm
Where have I said I want him dropped? Just pointed out that it will never happen while Dyche is here.
Given he’s not as good as the other 2 I’m not sure it would happen without Dyche here

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:10 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:59 pm
Not heard it but the last person you’d want commenting would be another player failing to get any playing time under Dyche. After his impersonation of a fish in the desert at Basaksehir I would take anything spouted by Walters with a pinch of salt
And that I agree with you - another freeloader after a final payday - but it was dyche who bought him

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Jakubs Tash » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:11 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:54 pm
I'd disagree that Ben Mee was good the first half of last season, personally thought he was awful. He was very lucky not to get dropped along with Hart after the thrashing by Everton.
And I don't think it's that cut and dried that Ben Mee is better than Gibson tbh. Assuming he goes this summer will be interesting to see what happens to his career.
Fair enough. Everyone has an opinion.

I didn't actually say Ben Mee was good in the first half of last season. I said he was one of the better performers. Let's not forget that the whole team seemed to had forgotten what made Burnley what they were during that period. Listening to some, you would think Mee was the only player to have been below par.

I could be completely wrong but I would also put my entire house on Mee putting the most into training during any difficult period the team have and showing an incredible attitude and work ethic. He's also more than worked himself into credit for the odd poor performance during Dyche's tenure.

I'd still like to know the run of games where Mee was particularly poor and could/should have been dropped for Gibson though?

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:12 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:02 pm
Tosh. What’s the net spend/value of the squad compared to 5 years ago....it has clearly been an absolute disaster....for the doom mongers
We have blown 26 million on him and vydra and wages but have not had the cash to improve our first eleven in 2 seasons

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:13 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:03 pm
If we’d paid 5 million for Gibson would you be taking this news a bit better?
Yes that's acceptable for a back up player

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Hibsclaret » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:13 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:10 pm
And that I agree with you - another freeloader after a final payday - but it was dyche who bought him
To provide experience as we adapted to the premier league. I don’t think you are getting that not everyone can play and be a success in a 25 man squad. Some will not work out, inevitably

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Jakubs Tash » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:13 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:07 pm
Disagree about this season - have you forgot about the multiple mistakes by both of them
Have you forgotten about the games where both have been outstanding?

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:14 pm

grapidianclaret wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:04 pm
Were you the one voice against this signing when it happened Boysie? And how much should the club have spent on a center half? You bitch when they spend and you bitch when they do not spend. Have they done anything well in the last 10 years in your opinion?
No I was quite happy as I thought he was quality actually

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:15 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:06 pm
Tarks cost 3m worth circa 40m
Mee worth 10m more than purchase
Lowton, Taylor, Westwood, Barnes the same
Rodriguez, Wood worth more than purchase price
Pope cost a few mill worth north of 30m

Even the failures of Vydra and Gibson will be smallish losses at worst....
Get off your football manager game :? :) :D

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Hibsclaret » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:17 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:15 pm
Get off your football manager game :? :) :D
God help us when you start on Footy Manager, you’d probably blame Dyche for those results as well....
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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:17 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:11 pm
Fair enough. Everyone has an opinion.

I didn't actually say Ben Mee was good in the first half of last season. I said he was one of the better performers. Let's not forget that the whole team seemed to had forgotten what made Burnley what they were during that period. Listening to some, you would think Mee was the only player to have been below par.

I could be completely wrong but I would also put my entire house on Mee putting the most into training during any difficult period the team have and showing an incredible attitude and work ethic. He's also more than worked himself into credit for the odd poor performance during Dyche's tenure.

I'd still like to know the run of games where Mee was particularly poor and could/should have been dropped for Gibson though?

You could pick quite a few from last season before Xmas and had some stinkers this season

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Safron » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:17 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:14 pm
No I was quite happy as I thought he was quality actually
I actually thought Gibson being our record signing would of been a first team starter,but hey sh*t happens

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:21 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:13 pm
To provide experience as we adapted to the premier league. I don’t think you are getting that not everyone can play and be a success in a 25 man squad. Some will not work out, inevitably
Are you adding crouch and Hart to that ever growing list - pieters is another

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by jrgbfc » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:22 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:11 pm
Fair enough. Everyone has an opinion.

I didn't actually say Ben Mee was good in the first half of last season. I said he was one of the better performers. Let's not forget that the whole team seemed to had forgotten what made Burnley what they were during that period. Listening to some, you would think Mee was the only player to have been below par.

I could be completely wrong but I would also put my entire house on Mee putting the most into training during any difficult period the team have and showing an incredible attitude and work ethic. He's also more than worked himself into credit for the odd poor performance during Dyche's tenure.

I'd still like to know the run of games where Mee was particularly poor and could/should have been dropped for Gibson though?
I agree virtually the entire team were awful the first half of last season, maybe it would have been a bit harsh to drop Ben Mee. I just think after spending the money on Gibson he at least deserved a chance. Mee definetely wasn't playing well enough to make him undroppable.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:23 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:13 pm
Yes that's acceptable for a back up player
Ok just so we know what the cut off point is for future reference! I hope for 5 million they would be up to the required standard for you!!

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:24 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:13 pm
Have you forgotten about the games where both have been outstanding?
Yes they have in the last 4 or 5 games but I am asking about before that

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Jakubs Tash » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:25 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:17 pm
You could pick quite a few from last season before Xmas and had some stinkers this season
Before Christmas when Gibson was fit or injured?

Mee has had far more really good games this season than stinkers. We have the joint most clean sheets and I bet his stats are right up there with any centre half for duals, blocks, headers etc.
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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Hibsclaret » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:25 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:21 pm
Are you adding crouch and Hart to that ever growing list - pieters is another
They are versions of what Walters came for absolutely. Ready made replacements that can come in for injured players and have prem experience. If we don’t get injuries they may not play but it doesn’t mean that the younger players are not learning from them in training and around the club..

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by fidelcastro » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:25 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:23 pm
Ok just so we know what the cut off point is for future reference! I hope for 5 million they would be up to the required standard for you!!
Boysie has become the new KRBFC of this forum!

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Jakubs Tash » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:31 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:24 pm
Yes they have in the last 4 or 5 games but I am asking about before that
The last 4 or 5 games??

This is just one of those ridiculous comments you seem to make quite frequently. Sometimes it's a ridiculous sweeping statement and other times it's just clearly not true. Not everyone reading this message board has the memory of a gold fish.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by grapidianclaret » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:39 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:31 pm
The last 4 or 5 games??

This is just one of those ridiculous comments you seem to make quite frequently. Sometimes it's a ridiculous sweeping statement and other times it's just clearly not true. Not everyone reading this message board has the memory of a gold fish.
That is completely unfair to goldfish
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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Dy1geo » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:51 pm

A lot of this probably stems from the “Job Centre “ picture but what it has done is knock a few million off his price as clubs now know we will want rid of him

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:52 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:59 pm
Not heard it but the last person you’d want commenting would be another player failing to get any playing time under Dyche. After his impersonation of a fish in the desert at Basaksehir I would take anything spouted by Walters with a pinch of salt
Same here.
He could well be a bit of a snake in the grass.
Quite a big spat with Roy Keane which got decent coverage.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:03 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:06 pm
The happy clappers won't like that.

While you and Boysie are knee deep in your own p1ss.
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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by jrgbfc » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:36 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:03 pm
While you and Boysie are knee deep in your own p1ss.
Your sparkling wit is wasted on here.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by rob63 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:11 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:42 pm
I think so yes. Training was pretty basic though.
Didn't Tommy Lawton put his legendary heading ability down to practising with a ball on a rope hanging down from the framework under the main stand on the Turf?

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by dsr » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:19 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:59 pm
You don't spend that much on a third choice centre half for a club like us who are short of cash - it's been a bad signing all-around and we have had quite a few these last couple of years
You aren't making enough of this, Boysie. This isn't the first time Dyche has made the same mistake. We signed James Tarkowski in January 2016 for close to our second highest fee, behnd Andre Grey. And he didn't make a start for 15 months, and then only when Mee got injured. So don't concentrate with glee on how bad a signing Gibson was, when Dyche used exactly the same principles to do the same thing with Tarkowski.

Tarkowski was signed to replace Keane, and he did. Gibson was signed to replace Tarkowski, except Tarkowski hasn't gone; Tarkowski signed a new contract. And neither Mee nor Tarkowski have been injured, so Gibson hasn't played. It's that simple.
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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:35 pm

A mate of mine who has a box at the Riverside Stadium reckons that Gibson will be on the subs bench for Boro this weekend

From a very reliable source within the club he has been told they have him for the rest of the season and will sign him on a permanent deal in the summer
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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by CFS » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:38 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:02 pm
Be interesting to see how sharp Ben Mee would look if he didn't play for 9 months then got thrown in with the stiffs for a cup game....
A lot better than Gibson did.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by rob63 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:39 pm

Dy1geo wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:51 pm
A lot of this probably stems from the “Job Centre “ picture but what it has done is knock a few million off his price as clubs now know we will want rid of him
Who was actually responsible for that picture, was it Gibson himself, or a mock-up? I don't keep up with anti-social media.

Agree his value has now gone down considerably, whether the board's expectations will reflect that when the offers come in the summer is another matter, can only hope memories will fade before then!

Think most people will agree that no-one at the club, player or staff has exactly covered themselves in glory with this one

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by ewanrob » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:42 pm

dsr wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:19 pm
You aren't making enough of this, Boysie. This isn't the first time Dyche has made the same mistake. We signed James Tarkowski in January 2016 for close to our second highest fee, behnd Andre Grey. And he didn't make a start for 15 months, and then only when Mee got injured. So don't concentrate with glee on how bad a signing Gibson was, when Dyche used exactly the same principles to do the same thing with Tarkowski.

Tarkowski was signed to replace Keane, and he did. Gibson was signed to replace Tarkowski, except Tarkowski hasn't gone; Tarkowski signed a new contract. And neither Mee nor Tarkowski have been injured, so Gibson hasn't played. It's that simple.
Tarks wasn't on the radar the season Gibson came, played brilliantly but wasn't on the big money wish list of others....that was beginning of this season when Maguire left Leicester. Who knows if Mee wasn't going to sign, but 15 million seemed a lot of money for someone who was not 1st choice. I'm wondering if a deal with Boro for Dael Fry has been sorted...with Gibson going back up there.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by ClaretAndJew » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:44 pm

ewanrob wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:42 pm
Tarks wasn't on the radar the season Gibson came, played brilliantly but wasn't on the big money wish list of others....that was beginning of this season when Maguire left Leicester. Who knows if Mee wasn't going to sign, but 15 million seemed a lot of money for someone who was not 1st choice. I'm wondering if a deal with Boro for Dael Fry has been sorted...with Gibson going back up there.
And who's Fry replacing?

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Paul Waine » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:47 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:17 pm
You could pick quite a few from last season before Xmas and had some stinkers this season
Hi Boysie, "last season before Xmas," apart from the first few games, Ben Gibson was injured. How was that going to work putting him in the team then, even if both Mee and Tarks were under performing?

The way I see it: summer 2018, Ben Mee had not signed his new contract. So, it makes good sense to invest in Ben Gibson - and maybe BG was expecting to start... But, BM did sign his new contract. So, who gets the shirt? If both fit, the better player. If one isn't fit, the player who is fit. If one is off form, the player who is "in form" - but only if he is also fit. I think that's how it's worked out.

We sign footballers for the squad, I understand. We pay them when they are injured, we pay them when they don't get a start, or on the bench. We pay them to compete to be ready to start when they get the chance. If "toys have been thrown out of the pram" that needs sorting. If we have a squad, it's unlikely that said player will get a start in those circumstances.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by ewanrob » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:48 pm

Younger player, not as established as Gibson was...so as with Tarks probably prepared to wait.....but get your point.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Paul Waine » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:51 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:35 pm
A mate of mine who has a box at the Riverside Stadium reckons that Gibson will be on the subs bench for Boro this weekend

From a very reliable source within the club he has been told they have him for the rest of the season and will sign him on a permanent deal in the summer
Is there a little gap in the transfer window? or, did we ship BG up to Riverside on the quiet while all the transfer window watched were watching Watford or Bristol City or something?

PS: I'll let someone else ask why BG wouldn't be starting?

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:51 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:35 pm
A mate of mine who has a box at the Riverside Stadium reckons that Gibson will be on the subs bench for Boro this weekend

From a very reliable source within the club he has been told they have him for the rest of the season and will sign him on a permanent deal in the summer
They will be in serious trouble if they do put him on the bench when he’s not their player

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:54 pm

dsr wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:19 pm
Tarkowski was signed to replace Keane, and he did. Gibson was signed to replace Tarkowski, except Tarkowski hasn't gone; Tarkowski signed a new contract. And neither Mee nor Tarkowski have been injured, so Gibson hasn't played. It's that simple.
Tarkowski was signed to replace Shackell in terms of numbers while knowing also that Duff was coming to an end.

Gibson was signed to replace Keane after we had got away with one defender short for a year.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:01 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:51 pm
Is there a little gap in the transfer window? or, did we ship BG up to Riverside on the quiet while all the transfer window watched were watching Watford or Bristol City or something?

PS: I'll let someone else ask why BG wouldn't be starting?
Don't shoot the messenger

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by ewanrob » Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:07 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:47 pm
Hi Boysie, "last season before Xmas," apart from the first few games, Ben Gibson was injured. How was that going to work putting him in the team then, even if both Mee and Tarks were under performing?

The way I see it: summer 2018, Ben Mee had not signed his new contract. So, it makes good sense to invest in Ben Gibson - and maybe BG was expecting to start... But, BM did sign his new contract. So, who gets the shirt? If both fit, the better player. If one isn't fit, the player who is fit. If one is off form, the player who is "in form" - but only if he is also fit. I think that's how it's worked out.

We sign footballers for the squad, I understand. We pay them when they are injured, we pay them when they don't get a start, or on the bench. We pay them to compete to be ready to start when they get the chance. If "toys have been thrown out of the pram" that needs sorting. If we have a squad, it's unlikely that said player will get a start in those circumstances.
I get what your saying, but this is Burnley....15 million on a player who wasn't going to start, I'm not having that. Our transfer activity at the end of that window was extremely re-active and if we can recoup 15 million of the 25*** we spent then weve done well. But please let's not gloss this over, those 2 signings (Gibbo and Vydra) were p**s poor.
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