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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by MACCA » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:13 pm

dermotdermot wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:03 pm
For this to have happened indicates some sort of breach of training ground rules. If this were the case, wouldn’t there be a case for withholding his wages. It’s a lot of money to pay out for nothing.
With that goes his contract and the ability for us to get a fee for him.

He will move on in the summer for quite a few million, and his wages between now and then will be a million tops at a guess.

Makes more sense banishing him for 6 months on full pay

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by TVC15 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:14 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:09 pm
Please show me where you have ever critised anything post Howe ???
Stop being an idiot.

The vast majority on this board (including CT) have criticised the club at various points in the last 7 years because we all know its never going to be perfect - go and look up the word "perspective"...it might help you.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:14 pm

Reckoner wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:13 pm
What a surprise the usual suspects whining like cats on heat again. The same people who are now questioning why we signed him would be whining if we hadn't signed him (or other established CB) if Mee or Tarks had got an injury or suffered a prolonged loss of form. The same people whining that we should have sold him to Watford in January would be whining about strengthening a relegation rival if we had.

As others have said a very encouraging and totally appropriate signing at the time that hasn't worked out. Luckily the due diligence we do go through as a club before transfers does give us a very strong record with successes but there's always going to be ones that don't work.
Its been a very expensive mistake along with several others

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:15 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:14 pm
Stop being an idiot.

The vast majority on this board (including CT) have criticised the club at various points in the last 7 years because we all know its never going to be perfect - go and look up the word "perspective"...it might help you.
Ha another melt - show me the points ?

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by MACCA » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:19 pm

Eyres_11 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:13 pm
Is IS his fault.

He is paid to be a member of our squad and if the manager chooses not to play him then he doesn't play. Doesn't mean he can act like a big kid and f*ck off back home to cry.

He is under contract and for me I would have him with the kids. He's a disgrace.
Firstly no one knows the facts as to who's fault it is/was.

Secondly, i dont think he "fu**ed off back home to cry" that wouldn't be allowed.
Its probably more realistic he's been sent/or allowed to go back home.

Thirdly, and your last point, I agree.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:21 pm

Very strange choice to let him go train with Boro unless a move is lined up. Dont want him poisoning our club too Dael Fry who we are supposedly been chasing for the last season or two.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by TVC15 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:24 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:15 pm
Ha another melt - show me the points ?
I forgot the schools still got Wednesday afternoon off....or are you just bunking off again and sniffing glue ?

I don't need to post you the points - I can remember myself and I also know that I have criticised the club and Dyche plenty of times.
You and a couple of others on this board bring this allegation out every time there is this kind of debate...it just makes you look even more embarrassing than you already are - which I accept in your case is some achievement.
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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:26 pm

If a bust up yes play with the U23's but no way allow him to train with another professional club.

Its a joke

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:26 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:09 pm
Please show me where you have ever critised anything post Howe ???
Just try reading - it's not difficult and you might find it better than posting your usual vitriol

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:27 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:24 pm
I forgot the schools still got Wednesday afternoon off....or are you just bunking off again and sniffing glue ?

I don't need to post you the points - I can remember myself and I also know that I have criticised the club and Dyche plenty of times.
You and a couple of others on this board bring this allegation out every time there is this kind of debate...it just makes you look even more embarrassing than you already are - which I accept in your case is some achievement.
So does your good self think that Burnley from the outside are looking well in all this and secondly tell me what you really think ?

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:28 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:26 pm
Just try reading - it's not difficult and you might find it better than posting your usual vitriol
Come on give me a link then ? :?

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by ClaretAndJew » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:30 pm

Gibson has got himself a sweet deal here really. Getting paid a full wage and training where he feels happier. Win win all round, the only losers are us.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:32 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:28 pm
Come on give me a link then ? :?
Grow up and go and look - there are posts, articles all over the place where I've been critical but you don't understand the word critical do you? You just sit there waiting for any reason that you think you can justify so you can slag off the club. Seriously, I think you are unbelievably pathetic. I might make this board for Burnley supporters only. That would see you at an end because you are not supportive.
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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by jedi_master » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:32 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:09 pm
Please show me where you have ever critised anything post Howe ???
To be fair BOYSIE, what has there really been to criticise post Howe? The odd crap transfer window/poor run of form but it’s basically been the best, most consistent period of success the club has had in the last 50 years.

R.e Gibson - he looked a great signing and hasn’t worked out. That’s literally all there is to it. We cut our losses in the summer and get £8m or so for him and move on. It’s not my bank account so why should I particularly care we’ve made a loss.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by aggi » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:33 pm

The curious thing, assuming that this didn't all blow up in the past week or so, is why we didn't loan him to Boro and get some cash.

He looked like a good signing at the time. He was unlucky with injury that he was out whilst we were going through our worst run of form and then after the Everton match decided to persevere with Mee rather than bring Gibson in. After that he didn't really get too many chances.

I suspect he may turn out to be better than Mee, once his career moves on, but I don't think we'll be seeing it at Burnley.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by TVC15 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:36 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:27 pm
So does your good self think that Burnley from the outside are looking well in all this and secondly tell me what you really think ?
1) I don’t care what people from the “outside” think of Burnley. Compared to what is happening at most premier clubs we are a shining light of virtue

2) I really think that you are an idiot that should go and follow a different club (or sport) because you will never ever be anything other than unhappy “supporting” Burnley.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:36 pm

aggi wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:33 pm
The curious thing, assuming that this didn't all blow up in the past week or so, is why we didn't loan him to Boro and get some cash.

He looked like a good signing at the time. He was unlucky with injury that he was out whilst we were going through our worst run of form and then after the Everton match decided to persevere with Mee rather than bring Gibson in. After that he didn't really get too many chances.

I suspect he may turn out to be better than Mee, once his career moves on, but I don't think we'll be seeing it at Burnley.
Don't think it has been in the last week or so. Interesting last line, I thought he might have become a really good player at one point but I'm not so sure he'll ever come close to achieving what Ben Mee has achieved at Premier League level. If he does, it certainly won't be at Burnley.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:43 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:36 pm
1) I don’t care what people from the “outside” think of Burnley. Compared to what is happening at most premier clubs we are a shining light of virtue

2) I really think that you are an idiot that should go and follow a different club (or sport) because you will never ever be anything other than unhappy “supporting” Burnley.
Yep a melt

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by TVC15 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:44 pm

aggi wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:33 pm
The curious thing, assuming that this didn't all blow up in the past week or so, is why we didn't loan him to Boro and get some cash.

He looked like a good signing at the time. He was unlucky with injury that he was out whilst we were going through our worst run of form and then after the Everton match decided to persevere with Mee rather than bring Gibson in. After that he didn't really get too many chances.

I suspect he may turn out to be better than Mee, once his career moves on, but I don't think we'll be seeing it at Burnley.
Could be loads of reasons he never went to Boro - I’m guessing they are not in the best financial position given the financial results they have been posting and they may have not been interested in Gibson or in a position to afford him - even on loan paying part of his wages.

It sounds like his focus was on going to Watford - and again we don’t know why this deal did not happen other than clearly it was not right for Burnley - which is all we should care about...we have no obligation to any individual player under contract to help him with his future whatever the situation is or how much the relationship between him and the club has broken down.

Nobody is saying it’s not a bad situation - but we also don’t know how much damage / unrest is being caused by Gibson or his agent. Training at Boro is largely irrelevant - he can’t play for them and he isn’t going to play for us and we are paying his wages whatever. It just needs sorting in the summer and even if it isn’t it will be because Gibson has decided to dig his heels in and just take his money for the rest of his contract - like many many footballers have done in the past.
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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:47 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:32 pm
Grow up and go and look - there are posts, articles all over the place where I've been critical but you don't understand the word critical do you? You just sit there waiting for any reason that you think you can justify so you can slag off the club. Seriously, I think you are unbelievably pathetic. I might make this board for Burnley supporters only. That would see you at an end because you are not supportive.
Never been critical of any of Dyches's signings from memory and we have wasted a hell of a lot of money these last few years but god forbid if we had three passes between the back 4 under Howe you could not wait to have a go - were you not a supporter of the club in those days ?

I am not patheitic at all i cannot believe what the club have allowed to happen that is all.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Bosscat » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:47 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:43 pm
Yep a melt
Grow up you idiotic little fool
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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Spijed » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:48 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:59 pm
Lets see how much game time between now and the end of this season before we spout on here.

Wells deal only made that happen by the way.
If we have a great run till the end of the season, continuing our recent good form, I can't see what the problem is by not changing the team.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by TVC15 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:53 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:43 pm
Yep a melt
Seriously is that the best you can do ?

Why don’t you tell us all why you “support” Burnley and what it is you enjoy about it ?

Presumably there are reasons because spending your free time and money on something that it sounds like from your posts that you despise would be the kind of thing that a “melt” would do.
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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by jtv » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:53 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:30 pm
Gibson has got himself a sweet deal here really. Getting paid a full wage and training where he feels happier. Win win all round, the only losers are us.
How do you know that he is getting a full wage?

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by CFS » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:56 pm

Got ran ragged by will grigg v Sunderland in the cup that's all I know about the lad.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by ClaretAndJew » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:58 pm

jtv wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:53 pm
How do you know that he is getting a full wage?
Well, unless there's something in his contract which states otherwise, he's our player, we're paying him, there's no transfer window to allow him to leave. That's the end of the story.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by jrgbfc » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:59 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:37 pm
Lucky for us that Tarkowski has been more professional than Gibson and was prepared to bide his time
Just out of interest how long should Gibson be prepared to sit and twiddle his thumbs? 3 years, 4 years? Was slightly different with Tarkowski because it was clear to everyone Keane would be leaving.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by jtv » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:00 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:58 pm
Well, unless there's something in his contract which states otherwise, he's our player, we're paying him, there's no transfer window to allow him to leave. That's the end of the story.
Could be for disciplinary reasons. If he has downed tools then he is not abiding by the contract and the Club would be perfectly entitled, IMHO, to dock him wages

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:00 pm

CFS wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:56 pm
Got ran ragged by will grigg v Sunderland in the cup that's all I know about the lad.
Didn't he? Kevin Long carried him that night and Will Grigg wasn't even on fire.
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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by jrgbfc » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:02 pm

CFS wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:56 pm
Got ran ragged by will grigg v Sunderland in the cup that's all I know about the lad.
Be interesting to see how sharp Ben Mee would look if he didn't play for 9 months then got thrown in with the stiffs for a cup game....
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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:10 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:02 pm
Be interesting to see how sharp Ben Mee would look if he didn't play for 9 months then got thrown in with the stiffs for a cup game....
This is a good point when people start battering players for a one off performance.
Difficult to hit the ground running when you haven’t played for a while.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by TVC15 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:12 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:59 pm
Just out of interest how long should Gibson be prepared to sit and twiddle his thumbs? 3 years, 4 years? Was slightly different with Tarkowski because it was clear to everyone Keane would be leaving.
Was it that clear Keane would be leaving when we signed Tarks ?
I thought it was about as clear that Tarks would be leaving when we signed Gibson given the interest we were getting from Leicester etc.

All it goes to show is that little is clear or predictable in football and all any club does is try and plan for the future in the best way they can. Nobody at Burnley thought this was going to happen with Gibson or wanted it to happen.
And any fool can call something a mistake after the event.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:15 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:59 pm
Was slightly different with Tarkowski because it was clear to everyone Keane would be leaving.
Not really, Tarkowski was the belated replacement for Shackell who had left in the previous summer and with Duff at an end we only had Keane, Mee (who had only just moved back from left back) and Long. Tarkowski had to sit and wait for virtually a season and a half but it was only Keane's season back in the Premier League that brought about his sale and we were still in the Championship when Tarkowski arrived.
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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Bosscat » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:17 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:12 pm
Was it that clear Keane would be leaving when we signed Tarks ?
I thought it was about as clear that Tarks would be leaving when we signed Gibson given the interest we were getting from Leicester etc.

All it goes to show is that little is clear or predictable in football and all any club does is try and plan for the future in the best way they can. Nobody at Burnley thought this was going to happen with Gibson or wanted it to happen.
And any fool can call something a mistake after the event.
I actually thought Gibson was insurance as Ben Mee hadn't put pen to paper and rumoured to be being courted by other teams .... but I know exactly what you mean...

On saying that I haven't seen anything of Gibson to say he would get into the team other than as cover for injury/suspension...

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by ClaretAndBlue94 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:22 pm

I assumed that the main reason we didn't allow a move to Watford was that we didn't have the required cover should he leave.

Makes it all the more bizarre as it seems that after this, we wouldn't use him even as a last resort.

Not really sure what Gibson achieves if he has really kicked off post closing of the window ?

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:23 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:17 pm
I actually thought Gibson was insurance as Ben Mee hadn't put pen to paper and rumoured to be being courted by other teams .... but I know exactly what you mean...

On saying that I haven't seen anything of Gibson to say he would get into the team other than as cover for injury/suspension...
Mee signed his new contract just three days after we signed Gibson. From what I was told, there was never any likelihood of Mee not signing that contract so I would think Gibson's signing was filling that gap left by Keane's departure a year earlier. We got away with it in 2017/18 only having three central defenders for the full season.
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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:24 pm

ClaretAndBlue94 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:22 pm
I assumed that the main reason we didn't allow a move to Watford was that we didn't have the required cover should he leave.

Makes it all the more bizarre as it seems that after this, we wouldn't use him even as a last resort.

Not really sure what Gibson achieves if he has really kicked off post closing of the window ?
Don't think it was a lack of cover, more a lack of what Watford were offering. Believe he'd have gone had they come up with anything remotely sensible. Don't think the kicking off is post window closing either.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by jrgbfc » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:25 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:12 pm
Was it that clear Keane would be leaving when we signed Tarks ?
I thought it was about as clear that Tarks would be leaving when we signed Gibson given the interest we were getting from Leicester etc.

All it goes to show is that little is clear or predictable in football and all any club does is try and plan for the future in the best way they can. Nobody at Burnley thought this was going to happen with Gibson or wanted it to happen.
And any fool can call something a mistake after the event.
I know Tarks had to wait 18 months for his chance which can't have been easy. But looking back I'm pretty sure there was a widespread acceptance among most people that Keane would be moving on.
Anyway it's just one of those things that hasn't worked out. At the time Gibson looked a great signing, especially if we'd have progressed in Europe and had more games. Get what we can for him in the summer and get him off the wage bill.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:29 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:25 pm
I know Tarks had to wait 18 months for his chance which can't have been easy. But looking back I'm pretty sure there was a widespread acceptance among most people that Keane would be moving on.
Anyway it's just one of those things that hasn't worked out. At the time Gibson looked a great signing, especially if we'd have progressed in Europe and had more games. Get what we can for him in the summer and get him off the wage bill.
Tarkowski had been with us for half a season when we won the Championship title at Charlton. Did you really think then that Keane would be moving on? I certainly didn't.

Totally agree with you on Gibson, looked a great signing that just hasn't worked out.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by superdimitri » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:29 pm

You can’t blame him for wanting game time but I’m sure Dyche will be thinking he didn’t have what it takes if he won’t stay and wait for his chance.

It is strange how long it takes for players to get there chance though isn’t it? I mean I know we have two very good players already but if I were one of those two I wouldn’t mind giving him a few games instead of me.

If I was Dyche I’d want to play a player he paid so much for. He certainly rushed Wood into the team.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:32 pm

superdimitri wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:29 pm
I know we have two very good players already but if I were one of those two I wouldn’t mind giving him a few games instead of me.
superdimitri wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:29 pm
If I was Dyche I’d want to play a player he paid so much for. He certainly rushed Wood into the team.
Being left sided, it would be Ben Mee, so you think the club captain wouldn't mind standing down for a few games? Ben Mee will be working his socks off, doing his best ever single day in training to retain his place in the team. That's how it works at Burnley and how it should work.

Wood came in after we'd sold Gray. We needed a new striker. He started on the bench although admittedly only for a couple of games. Completely different situation though to Gibson.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Corky » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:36 pm

I don't see the problem with having expensive signings on the bench or waiting for their chance to break into the squad. That is sort of the norm in the Premier League. Clearly Gibson hasn't shown whatever he needs to, either in the few opportunities he has had, actually in matches or whilst training, to suggest to the management team that he is ready to replace Mee. Also injuries at unfortunate times haven't helped. But for someone on £40,000 per week - which is even more than some of the 10 bob tories on here earn in a year - to throw his rattle out of the pram and effectively down tools would appear to signal the end of his career at Burnley. Sometimes signings just don't work out. Hey ho.
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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by claretdj » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:40 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:32 pm
Grow up and go and look - there are posts, articles all over the place where I've been critical but you don't understand the word critical do you? You just sit there waiting for any reason that you think you can justify so you can slag off the club. Seriously, I think you are unbelievably pathetic. I might make this board for Burnley supporters only. That would see you at an end because you are not supportive.
What a ridiculous post CT, just because the guy has got a different opinion to you doesn't make him wrong, you got your view n he got his, I thought football message boards are all about different opinions? Not I'm right n your wrong!
Your better than that CT! ffs.. :roll:
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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by jojomk1 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:42 pm

To have let him go to Watford would have been seen as a bad move given their proximity to us in the league (and this message board would have gone into meltdown 8-) )
A loan deal back to Boro would have been a much better idea - Steve Gibson could have financed that I would have thought
So now we have Dunne and Long as injury replacements - can't see us swallowing pride and calling him back if Tarks or Mee get injured
Our last two "major" signings have cost us dearly in wasted fees and wages
Can understand why MG gets nervous if the manager bangs on about needing to spend "big"
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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:49 pm

jedi_master wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:32 pm
To be fair BOYSIE, what has there really been to criticise post Howe? The odd crap transfer window/poor run of form but it’s basically been the best, most consistent period of success the club has had in the last 50 years.

R.e Gibson - he looked a great signing and hasn’t worked out. That’s literally all there is to it. We cut our losses in the summer and get £8m or so for him and move on. It’s not my bank account so why should I particularly care we’ve made a loss.
Then questions need to be asked why has it not worked out for such a big outlay - not my bank account either but the fee will be a lot less than 8 million as not kicked a ball for a while so would be a massive loss but will be of course undisclosed.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:52 pm

claretdj wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:40 pm
What a ridiculous post CT, just because the guy has got a different opinion to you doesn't make him wrong, you got your view n he got his, I thought football message boards are all about different opinions? Not I'm right n your wrong!
Your better than that CT! ffs.. :roll:
Thanks for that but I don’t think it is a ridiculous post at all. Opinions are one thing, what he posts is completely different.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:53 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:00 pm
Didn't he? Kevin Long carried him that night and Will Grigg wasn't even on fire.
To be fair i have seen numerous Burnley centre halves run ragged by lower opposition over these last 7 years under Dyche in cups

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:54 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:15 pm
Not really, Tarkowski was the belated replacement for Shackell who had left in the previous summer and with Duff at an end we only had Keane, Mee (who had only just moved back from left back) and Long. Tarkowski had to sit and wait for virtually a season and a half but it was only Keane's season back in the Premier League that brought about his sale and we were still in the Championship when Tarkowski arrived.
Wasn't it also the case that Tarkowski was very keen to get a move back to Lancashire? Perhaps he was happy to wait given those circumstances.

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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by Jakubclaret » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:54 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:58 pm
You don’t rotate central defenders - that would be a huge mistake for me
Get to late 30pts or 40ish you could, it'd be brave manager experimenting any sooner across the PL, golden rule until the targets hit or injuries or starters seriously out of form forced.
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Re: Gibson training at Middlesbrough

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:57 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:54 pm
Wasn't it also the case that Tarkowski was very keen to get a move back to Lancashire? Perhaps he was happy to wait given those circumstances.
Very much so due to his mum’s debilitating illness but even so he’s admitted to having been frustrated at not being in the team.

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