CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:55 pm

As usual with your assumptions you could not be further wrong than you are Spijed

I actually do a lot for the environment, as a family we are roughly carbon neutral and plant a lot of trees each year (we don’t literally do the planting but we do pay for them).

Since 1998 I was a shareholder in Wiggins, which was trying to make Marston International Airport in Kent the new Heathrow runway option. Far better for the environment than Thames Estuary, would have improved the health of hundreds of thousands of Londoners living near Heathrow, and it already had a runway nearly as long as Heathrows. Sadly, it went bust and I lost all my money. Hey, ho. If Boris had supported this it would have worked, unlike Boris Island. Hopefully like me he has learned since.

I get a lot of stick, which I enjoy, for supporting Boris, but I’m not a Tory by nature, and I don’t think he is either (too fiscally indisciplined and not a fan of a rule based system).

I do though think his fairly autocratic plans (I suspect he thinks he is a Roman Emperor) are the only chance for the north. Labour voters should get behind him, regardless of how many people he sacks, how many lies he tells, and how many children he has. As well as all that, he cares. Too much arguably.

He’ll crash and burn in the end, but for now things are looking very promising and he will hopefully have a big legacy when he has gone that cannot be taken from us.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:42 pm

Hardly. Boris Johnson has appointed those who will never point out any mistakes, or disagree with him, even if it's clear there is a problem with any policies going forward.

houseboy wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:49 pm

A bit like most Prime Ministers from any party ever then?

houseboy wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:57 pm

It does make you wonder where the cash is going to come from but he's at least making noises I've never heard a Tory PM make. I'm no Tory and have never voted for them and by nature I pretty much despise them, but I'm prepared to sit back and observe all this unfold (or not). Boris, for all his buffoonery, does seem to be a different kind of bloke from the norm as far as politcians go and if nothing else I find him 'interesting'. For once I'd love to be able to say 'yes, a Tory PM has got it just right', but only time will tell.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:58 pm

Well no. It's well documented that Blair and Brown fell out because Gordon Brown wasn't a 'Yes' man.

aggi wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:30 pm

Well it sounds like they're all on board now:

Boris Johnson engaged in a call and response with Cabinet this morning:

PM: How many hospitals are we going to build?

Cabinet in unison: 40

PM: Well done. How many more police officers?

Cabinet: 20,000

PM: That's right. How many more nurses?

Cabinet: 50,000

PM: Exactly

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/sta ... 67072?s=20

Spijed wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:59 pm

He had lots of new ideas and projects whilst London mayor.

Unfortunately, every one was a failure!

aggi wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:30 pm

Well it sounds like they're all on board now:

Boris Johnson engaged in a call and response with Cabinet this morning:

PM: How many hospitals are we going to build?

Cabinet in unison: 40

PM: Well done. How many more police officers?

Cabinet: 20,000

PM: That's right. How many more nurses?

Cabinet: 50,000

PM: Exactly

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/sta ... 67072?s=20

aggi wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:30 pm

Well it sounds like they're all on board now:

Boris Johnson engaged in a call and response with Cabinet this morning:

PM: How many hospitals are we going to build?

Cabinet in unison: 40

PM: Well done. How many more police officers?

Cabinet: 20,000

PM: That's right. How many more nurses?

Cabinet: 50,000

PM: Exactly

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/sta ... 67072?s=20

Corky wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:00 pm

What Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson the lying cheating racist **** told the CBI in November 2019

"I’m going to give you an absolutely categorical assurance that I will keep Sajid Javid as my chancellor... I think he's a great guy and I think he's doing a fantastic job and I'm proud to count him as a colleague.”

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:48 pm

But he did try to keep Javid, if David decides to fall on his sword it's hardly at Boris's door.
The usual anti Boris posters on board today, having a go at him for having the nerve to tell his new cabinet to stick to the election promises. How dare he?

The same posters who would have had a fit if he had told his new cabinet, forget the election promises, we can't afford it.

The fact is they are going to criticise him no matter what he does, which just shows how petty and childish they are. Some of us are prepared to wait and see what he delivers, and then praise, or criticise, as warrants. But this childish negativity, so prevalent during the whole Brexit rigmarole, just refuses to go away.

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:55 pm

As well as all that, he cares. Too much arguably.

Billy Balfour wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:11 pm

I love it how some on here have spent years telling everyone there is no alternative to absolute austerity, then all of a sudden it's a Damascene change when a Tory PM says he's going to splash the cash while throwing that so-called Tory mantra 'fiscal responsibility' out of the nearest window. It's hard to take such people seriously.

Corky wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:35 pm

Really, I mean really.....You can keep your job but only if you agree to losing all your staff and in effect all your integrity and independence and have to funnel everything through No.10 or more accurately Dominic Cummings.

KateR wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:41 pm

That's right, you tell them, fools all of them, exactly why they should have elected the Labour Party and gone with their manifesto, which clearly showed the fiscal prudence the population of the UK needs. I agree it is hard to take some people seriously on here.

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:32 am

Fasten seats belts. Boris and Dennis are coming your way!

Billy Balfour wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:46 pm

The truth hurting you, Katie?

I'm not banging a drum for Labour or any other political party here. I'm merely pointing out the sheer hypocrisy. HTH.

KateR wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:12 pm

what truth is supposed to be hurting me I have no idea, but perhaps you could shed more light on your statement?

Billy Balfour wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:32 pm

Statement? It was a question. The question mark was supposed to be a clue...

KateR wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:38 pm

but it matters not, have a good weekend

Right_winger wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:08 pm

Says the man who’s dream team is Sturgeon and Corbyn

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:45 pm

Yes really.
I don't know, but supposing Javids aides were old right wing Tories, who would rather have tax cuts than deliver on Boris's promise to the new blue north. There is lots of speculation, as usual, especially surrounding Cummings, but no one on this board knows the facts

Corky wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:24 am

For my sins I hold what people would perceive to be both left and right wing views. I don't see them as such it is just common sense to me. When I read something, certainly with regard to politics, I always seek out alternate opinions just for the sake of balance and accuracy. Sadly, it appears that this extreme autocratic approach by Alex Johnson (and Cummings) something that I don't think we have ever seen in British Politics before, removes all those checks and balances and effectively removes the actual need for a Chancellor.

You do not run a country based on blind ideology.

KateR wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:12 pm

Billy, in fairness I do not remember anyone over the last several years saying Austerity was needed, in fact the Gov themselves during May's time and perhaps just before her stated that the country was exiting austerity and moving away from it. I think it's somewhat wrong for you to have a go at BJ and this Gov, plus the previous cabinet along with this unproven cabinet in terms of spending for the future when they had no control over when austerity started and ended, or was reduced.

There is certainly a lot of debate regarding how long austerity lasted and that it should have ended sooner or been relaxed sooner, unfortunately I believe austerity was needed due to the world crash but when it should have ended I have never defined that need as I am not qualified, and again I have not really seen or noticed any posters on here trying to justify austerity and its need to remain in place over the past couple of years.

Fiscal responsibility has definitely been discussed and in terms of just because we are coming out of the austerity period we should not be throwing money at everything, it needs a tight control and that is a fine balancing act.

what truth is supposed to be hurting me I have no idea, but perhaps you could shed more light on your statement?

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:39 pm

Not Corbyn

Right_winger wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:48 am

Sturgeons just a **** Gerry Adams wannabe. Awful politician with no credibility whatsoever

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:57 am

I don't disagree, but the acid test is what he delivers, and we don't know that yet. If Boris screws it up, we won't have to wait for an election to dump him, the Tories will do that for us. All I'm saying is instead of accusing Boris and Cummings of stitching up the country, wait until there is some evidence to justify it. Too many people on this board are so entrenched in their bias, that its impossible to have reasoned debate. Whatever Boris does gets criticised not because it's bad, but because it's Boris.

Corky wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:24 am

For my sins I hold what people would perceive to be both left and right wing views. I don't see them as such it is just common sense to me. When I read something, certainly with regard to politics, I always seek out alternate opinions just for the sake of balance and accuracy. Sadly, it appears that this extreme autocratic approach by Alex Johnson (and Cummings) something that I don't think we have ever seen in British Politics before, removes all those checks and balances and effectively removes the actual need for a Chancellor.

You do not run a country based on blind ideology.

Right_winger wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:48 am

Sturgeons just a **** Gerry Adams wannabe. Awful politician with no credibility whatsoever

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:13 am

Spot on.

The editor Stephen Bush from the New Statesman I have seen on TV twice now. If anyone is used to criticising Tories it is that left leaning magazine.

The first time, pre election, he was cautiously praising of Boris, and the NS then published an editorial not endorsing anyone in the election (the first time ever not endorsing Labour).

The second time, yesterday, he was again cautiously suggesting that Boris and Cummings (who is no Tory) would be good for his readership due to their spending plans, and hence why it isn’t bad they are seizing control. He is watching carefully to ensure it is delivered.

Instead of automatically going into anti-Boris, anti-Cummings, anti-Tory rants, I would hope people on here would instead notice that the people who seem to be nervous about all this spending are other Tories. Let’s wait and see.

EDIT - I have just discovered that the head of the joint No 10 and No 11 policy unit will be Liam Booth-Smith, born in a Stoke council house who is an expert on left behind towns and has written articles on how towns “go to sleep for years” after industry leaves them.

Corky wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:30 am

Can someone tell me why our PM is always referred to as Boris. His family and friends all call him Alex. If he made it know that he wants to be called Alex then people might stop referring to him as Boris the buffoon.

Vino blanco wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:46 pm

80 seat majority, DA, 80 seat majority. Just think what Corbyn could have done with that.