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Re: Vydra

Post by Wile E Coyote » Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:06 am

Get him in every remaining game, he has kept his composure, trained hard, kept his mouth shut, has obvious talents, and scored the goal of the season. And all this as linekar, murphy, and sutton embarrassed themselves in matching 3/4 length coats and hideous black and white shoes. ...also scarves knotted as only ponces do it.
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Re: Vydra

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:09 am

He will be incredibly motivated with Euro 2020 on the horizon.

Feed the otter and he will score!

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Re: Vydra

Post by ashtonlongsider » Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:43 am

Personally feel he should have been given a chance a lot earlier. Its a question of 'all things come to those who wait'. I can well imagine this board now if that goal had been scored for Rangers should he have got the rumoured loan move their. A wonderful goal of sheer quality made by an excellent cross field pass from Hendrick. Matej's certainly set the bar high and it will be very interesting to see the starting line up next week-end.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Corky » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:01 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:06 am
Get him in every remaining game, he has kept his composure, trained hard, kept his mouth shut, has obvious talents, and scored the goal of the season. And all this as linekar, murphy, and sutton embarrassed themselves in matching 3/4 length coats and hideous black and white shoes. ...also scarves knotted as only ponces do it.
My son tells me that the hideous black and white shoes are colloquially known as trainers. It would appear that fashion tips and the like are becoming something of a speciality for me :lol:

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Re: Vydra

Post by Hopey1786 » Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:03 am

Watched it all.over again this.morning

What a goal

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Re: Vydra

Post by Untinted Glasses » Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:50 am

The players love him that's clear to see, why doesn't Dyche. Actually a good time to praise the guy and get him buzzing but he switches the attention from Vydra to "the bunch". A few weeks ago when the crowd cheered for Vydra, Dyche was quick to have a fly comment. It seems a genuine dislike to me. If I was Vydra I'd of f***** off by now. Dyche has been a right tit with him.
I'm not suggesting he should have been starting each week merely the attitude of Dyche in general towards him is bordering disrespectful.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Quicknick » Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:05 pm

Untinted Glasses wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:50 am
The players love him that's clear to see, why doesn't Dyche. Actually a good time to praise the guy and get him buzzing but he switches the attention from Vydra to "the bunch". A few weeks ago when the crowd cheered for Vydra, Dyche was quick to have a fly comment. It seems a genuine dislike to me. If I was Vydra I'd of f***** off by now. Dyche has been a right tit with him.
I'm not suggesting he should have been starting each week merely the attitude of Dyche in general towards him is bordering disrespectful.
You've no evidence for any of this.
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Re: Vydra

Post by Jakubs Tash » Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:11 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:41 pm
Let's enjoy the moment...
I did and am enjoying the moment, the goal and the victory.

I'm just making a point that lots of fans are almost hoping Wood is now out for a while so Vydra gets a run in the team. If Wood is out for a while then it won't be good news for us...

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Re: Vydra

Post by Jakubs Tash » Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:11 pm

Blackburn_Claret wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:50 pm
It was 1 - 1 when Wood went off.
I'm well aware of that, thanks. What's your point?

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Re: Vydra

Post by tim_noone » Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:13 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:11 pm
I did and am enjoying the moment, the goal and the victory.

I'm just making a point that lots of fans are almost hoping Wood is now out for a while so Vydra gets a run in the team. If Wood is out for a while then it won't be good news for us...
I don't think anyones hoping that......its good that we can mix it up.

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Re: Vydra

Post by tim_noone » Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:22 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:17 pm
I hope so. Especially against Bournemouth again.

Teams prepare for us to play the same way. If anything they won’t really know what to expect.
Spot on.

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Re: Vydra

Post by joey13 » Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:23 pm

Still don’t understand why Dyche carried on playing an injured Barnes

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Re: Vydra

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:32 pm

Another forced move which worked well and could see him staying at the club longer, hopefully.

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Re: Vydra

Post by AlargeClaret » Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:33 pm

Untinted Glasses wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:50 am
The players love him that's clear to see, why doesn't Dyche. Actually a good time to praise the guy and get him buzzing but he switches the attention from Vydra to "the bunch". A few weeks ago when the crowd cheered for Vydra, Dyche was quick to have a fly comment. It seems a genuine dislike to me. If I was Vydra I'd of f***** off by now. Dyche has been a right tit with him.
I'm not suggesting he should have been starting each week merely the attitude of Dyche in general towards him is bordering disrespectful.
What a steaming pile of Shiite . The reason Vydra hasn’t featured is because of the favoured ( and generally successful ) partnership of Barnes /Wood and JayRod pushing him to 4th choice . If Defour had stayed perhaps MV’s style may have been utilised more .Dyche is the ultimate “all for one and one for all group man” so would never blow smoke up anyones arse no matter how good . Enjoy the moment and be thankful he stepped up in what is a bit of an injury crisis .

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Re: Vydra

Post by Untinted Glasses » Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:30 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:33 pm
What a steaming pile of Shiite . The reason Vydra hasn’t featured is because of the favoured ( and generally successful ) partnership of Barnes /Wood and JayRod pushing him to 4th choice . If Defour had stayed perhaps MV’s style may have been utilised more .Dyche is the ultimate “all for one and one for all group man” so would never blow smoke up anyones arse no matter how good . Enjoy the moment and be thankful he stepped up in what is a bit of an injury crisis .
I knew the retard would post "Vydra hasn't started because..." thats why I put the safety net of " I'm not suggesting he should be starting" But I didn't actually factor in the size of the retard I guess.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Untinted Glasses » Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:34 pm

Quicknick wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:05 pm
You've no evidence for any of this.
Not if you take away the two television interviews by Dyche saying exactly what I posted. So yes take away the evidence and you are correct I guess

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Re: Vydra

Post by Blackburn_Claret » Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:55 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:11 pm
I'm well aware of that, thanks. What's your point?
My point is we were a better side yesterday without him

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Re: Vydra

Post by Grumps » Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:39 pm

Untinted Glasses wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:50 am
The players love him that's clear to see, why doesn't Dyche. Actually a good time to praise the guy and get him buzzing but he switches the attention from Vydra to "the bunch". A few weeks ago when the crowd cheered for Vydra, Dyche was quick to have a fly comment. It seems a genuine dislike to me. If I was Vydra I'd of f***** off by now. Dyche has been a right tit with him.
I'm not suggesting he should have been starting each week merely the attitude of Dyche in general towards him is bordering disrespectful.
Fortunately or unfortunately depending on your point of view, he's contracted to the club and leaves when we see fit, but his attitude has been superb despite all that's going on..... Gibson should take note
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Re: Vydra

Post by Gordaleman » Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:52 pm

Great show of unity at the end of the game when the rest of the team sent Vyds over to the Burnley fans first, before joining in themselves. That shows the team and squad ethic that Sean has built at Burnley. Long may it continue.

Hope Vyds gets a start against Bournemouth. It would make sense on a lot of fronts. It would reward him for his efforts yesterday and also give Wood and Barney more time to recover.

I'm really starting to like the subtle changes in the team recently and if Sean can find a way to introduce Brownhill as well, we might see a much improved Burnley next season.

C'mon you PL Clarets.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Jakubs Tash » Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:32 pm

Blackburn_Claret wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:55 pm
My point is we were a better side yesterday without him
Strange logic. Who is to say we might not have won more comfortably had Wood stayed on the pitch.....?

I suppose we might get an idea of who is more effective should Vydra play the next few games instead of Wood.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Blackburn_Claret » Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:46 pm

Strange but true

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Re: Vydra

Post by Gordaleman » Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:16 pm

Slightly off topic:

It seems that there is money available for the right player as apparently we DID bid for Vedat Muriqi in January. (And we were the only ones to bid.)

Had he arrived though, we probably wouldn't have got to see Vydra's wonder goal.

https://turkish-football.com/burnley-of ... -make-bid/

One thing is for sure, if he was to arrive in the summer, he'd certainly provide competition up front.

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Re: Vydra

Post by jurek » Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:37 pm

Assuming Wood isn't available for Saturday then Dyche has little choice
but to start Vydra. And probably the next few games too especially if Barnes isn't
ready. He does probably need a few games to see whether he can gel with Jay.

Let's hope that he does play well enough for Dyche to see that he does have
the potential and is worthy of starting. If we win and he does play well or scores another
then he'll deserve to start the next game.

It'll be interesting to see Wood and Barnes who were the first choice starters
on the bench for a while. A dilemma for Dyche possibly but not a bad situation to be in me thinks.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:10 am

Wood, Barnes and JayRod don't play well every time they take the field, and Vydra won't either, so it would be unfair to judge him on one full game. It's a team game and if his team mates don't play well, or supply him with the type of pass he can use, then he'll have an off day. The opposition defence comes into play as well. Some CHs may be able to handle him, whilst others won't. There are so many variables, that's why he needs a run of games to find out more about his ability.

My personal view has never changed since before we signed him. He offers us something very different to a big man up front to lump the ball to. What's needed is the rest of the team to adapt to his style of play and I sincerely hope they have been working on that this week in training.
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Re: Vydra

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:16 am

Before getting too carried away let's not forget that Vydra was knackered before full time. Now this could be lack of match-sharpness, but it could be lack of stamina.
I hope he gets a start this weekend, but keep in mind that he may need to come off early which creates a tactical issue.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:23 am

boatshed bill wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:16 am
Before getting too carried away let's not forget that Vydra was knackered before full time. Now this could be lack of match-sharpness, but it could be lack of stamina.
I hope he gets a start this weekend, but keep in mind that he may need to come off early which creates a tactical issue.
No one is disputing that he looked a bit tired toward the end at Bournmouth, but you don't get 'Match fit' by sitting on the bench. He needs game time. JayRod was awful when he first came into the team, but he's certainly looking sharper now. Dyche said the same thing. It takes time to adjust. Just give the lad a chance and see if he can take it. One full game isn't enogh to find out though.
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Re: Vydra

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:32 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:23 am
No one is disputing that he looked a bit tired toward the end at Bournmouth, but you don't get 'Match fit' by sitting on the bench. He needs game time. JayRod was awful when he first came into the team, but he's certainly looking sharper now. Dyche said the same thing. It takes time to adjust. Just give the lad a chance and see if he can take it. One full game isn't enogh to find out though.
I'm not disputing that players get sharper through playing, but what about stamina?

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Re: Vydra

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:37 am

boatshed bill wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:32 am
I'm not disputing that players get sharper through playing, but what about stamina?
Using your logic, no one new would EVER get a game. Stamina comes with match time, the same as match sharpness, ffs.

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Re: Vydra

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:41 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:37 am
Using your logic, no one new would EVER get a game. Stamina comes with match time, the same as match sharpness, ffs.
That is incorrect, stamina levels are totally individual, and are built up through specific training, diet etc.
To be honest, I don't see any reason for a full time professional footballer to be unable to last 90 minutes other than injury.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:49 am

boatshed bill wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:41 am
That is incorrect, stamina levels are totally individual, and are built up through specific training, diet etc.
To be honest, I don't see any reason for a full time professional footballer to be unable to last 90 minutes other than injury.
Let's just agree to disagree on that but don't you think that the storm conditions at Bournemouth might have played a part too?

It took Defour quite a few matches to play 90 mins, but what a player he was when he did.

Let's just see what Saturday brings. With Sean's stubbornness, it wouldn't surprise me if Vyds doesn't play.

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Re: Vydra

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:52 am

Match fitness is both physical and mental.

You don't improve the mental side of being involved in a match, having to read the game and make decisions, having the pressure etc, by running on a treadmill and being able to run for longer. When you've not played enough it takes a while for the mind to get up with the speed of the game, for the entirety of the game.

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Re: Vydra

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:53 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:49 am
Let's just agree to disagree on that but don't you think that the storm conditions at Bournemouth might have played a part too?

It took Defour quite a few matches to play 90 mins, but what a player he was when he did.

Let's just see what Saturday brings.
You mean Southampton, Bournemouth will be hit by a Claret and Blue storm this weekend.
I never mind a reasonable disagreement, it makes this MB more interesting.

I really hope Vydra can handle a full game, but there has to be a reason why SD chooses mostly not to play him, and it's clearly not lack of skill.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:57 am

boatshed bill wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:53 am
You mean Southampton, Bournemouth will be hit by a Claret and Blue storm this weekend.
I never mind a reasonable disagreement, it makes this MB more interesting.

I really hope Vydra can handle a full game, but there has to be a reason why SD chooses mostly not to play him, and it's clearly not lack of skill.

Yes, of course I meant Southampton.

Just a thought. I've nothing against Jack Cork, but if Brownhill is looking good in training this week, maybe a box to box player like him could fill the Defour role and slot balls through to Vydra and JayRod? It would certainly change the look of the team and at least initially, confuse a few opponents..

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