Can you be offside from a corner?

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Can you be offside from a corner?

Post by scouseclaret » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:13 pm

I’ve just seen Wolves’s disallowed goal from last night on MOTD. Aside from the argument over whether his heel was or was not in an offside position, I always understood that if you’re behind the line of the ball when it is played, you’re onside. The “offside” player receives the ball directly from a corner, so how can he be ruled offside?

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Re: Can you be offside from a corner?

Post by Steve1956 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:14 pm

They make it up as they go along.

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Re: Can you be offside from a corner?

Post by Tall Paul » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:18 pm

scouseclaret wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:13 pm
I’ve just seen Wolves’s disallowed goal from last night on MOTD. Aside from the argument over whether his heel was or was not in an offside position, I always understood that if you’re behind the line of the ball when it is played, you’re onside. The “offside” player receives the ball directly from a corner, so how can he be ruled offside?
Already discussed on another thread, but the offside was given against the corner taker after Jota returned the ball to him so didn't receive the ball directly from the corner.

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Re: Can you be offside from a corner?

Post by Dark Cloud » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:18 pm

I honestly believe that the short and unequivocal answer is NO!!

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Re: Can you be offside from a corner?

Post by thatdberight » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:21 pm

scouseclaret wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:13 pm
I’ve just seen Wolves’s disallowed goal from last night on MOTD. Aside from the argument over whether his heel was or was not in an offside position, I always understood that if you’re behind the line of the ball when it is played, you’re onside. The “offside” player receives the ball directly from a corner, so how can he be ruled offside?
No. You can't.

But since it wasn't him that was given offside, there's no problem.

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Re: Can you be offside from a corner?

Post by scouseclaret » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:23 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:18 pm
Already discussed on another thread, but the offside was given against the corner taker after Jota returned the ball to him so didn't receive the ball directly from the corner.
It’s not though. It’s clear from the VAR still that the player who’s foot is “offside” is Jota.

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Re: Can you be offside from a corner?

Post by thatdberight » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:25 pm

scouseclaret wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:23 pm
It’s not though. It’s clear from the VAR still that the player who’s foot is “offside” is Jota.
So you think they froze the VAR still at the moment Jota played it and declared him (Jota) offside?

I've watched the same thing and it's clear that it's Neto who is given offside.

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Re: Can you be offside from a corner?

Post by Tall Paul » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:30 pm

scouseclaret wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:23 pm
It’s not though. It’s clear from the VAR still that the player who’s foot is “offside” is Jota.
No, it was Neto, the corner taker.

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Re: Can you be offside from a corner?

Post by scouseclaret » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:31 pm

It would appear so, thatsberight...
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Re: Can you be offside from a corner?

Post by thatdberight » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:31 pm

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There you are.

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Re: Can you be offside from a corner?

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:32 pm

scouseclaret wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:23 pm
It’s not though. It’s clear from the VAR still that the player who’s foot is “offside” is Jota.
I started the earlier thread, Scouse. Thinking along your lines that you can’t be offside if the ball is played backwards. On checking with the FA website the law only states “when the ball is touched” and nothing about direction of touch. So he was correctly given offside.

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Re: Can you be offside from a corner?

Post by scouseclaret » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:41 pm

It would appear that the answer to my question is “no, you can’t.”

From FIFA’s own website:
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Re: Can you be offside from a corner?

Post by Targetman » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:59 pm

scouseclaret wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:41 pm
It would appear that the answer to my question is “no, you can’t.”

From FIFA’s own website:

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Think you are getting confused, he wasn't given offside from a corner, it was from the pass following the corner.

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Re: Can you be offside from a corner?

Post by dsr » Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:18 am

scouseclaret wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:41 pm
It would appear that the answer to my question is “no, you can’t.”
You can't be offside direct from a corner, but that exemption doesn't extend to second, third, fourth passes after the corner. You cannot be offside at the moment the corner is taken. You can be offside a split second later when someone else touches it.

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Re: Can you be offside from a corner?

Post by FCBurnley » Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:37 am

It’s taken me a while to get it but now I understand and will try and simplify the decision. Let’s say Westwood takes a short corner to McNeil. McNeil immediately passes it back to Westy before he has time to get onside. Well that is exactly what happened in this instance except that corner taker was only a fraction offside when the pass to him was made. By the time he received the ball he was clearly onside but at the time the pass to him was made he was fractionally offside. Hope that helps clarify things. You often used to get corner takers offside at short corners and this was just a weird version of that UTC

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Re: Can you be offside from a corner?

Post by KellyClaret » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:06 am

dsr wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:18 am
You can't be offside direct from a corner, but that exemption doesn't extend to second, third, fourth passes after the corner. You cannot be offside at the moment the corner is taken. You can be offside a split second later when someone else touches it.
There is no exemption for a corner. But it would be extremely hard to occupy an offside position with the ball coming in from essentially what is the goal line.

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Re: Can you be offside from a corner?

Post by scouseclaret » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:14 am

Sorry I’ve got it now. I thought the line was being drawn through Jota’s foot. Didn’t see the corner taker’s as it kind of blends in against the linesman and ad boards.

Or maybe it’s just my crap eyesight!

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Re: Can you be offside from a corner?

Post by Herts Clarets » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:34 am

KellyClaret wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:06 am
There is no exemption for a corner. But it would be extremely hard to occupy an offside position with the ball coming in from essentially what is the goal line.
The FIFA website states no offside from a corner, goal kick or throw in.

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Re: Can you be offside from a corner?

Post by KellyClaret » Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:03 am

Herts Clarets wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:34 am
The FIFA website states no offside from a corner, goal kick or throw in.
Completely missed that, also didn't realise you couldn't be offisde from a goalkick.

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Re: Can you be offside from a corner?

Post by dpinsussex » Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:04 am

Herts Clarets wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:34 am
The FIFA website states no offside from a corner, goal kick or throw in.
It is also dated 2004

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Re: Can you be offside from a corner?

Post by dsr » Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:11 pm

KellyClaret wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:03 am
Completely missed that, also didn't realise you couldn't be offisde from a goalkick.
Neither did I until seeing Stan Ternent doing his nut because a Burnley player was given offside from a goal kick - I didn't realise what he was complaining about. Perhaps fortunately, it was the lineman on the far side.

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Re: Can you be offside from a corner?

Post by Herts Clarets » Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:15 pm

dpinsussex wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:04 am
It is also dated 2004
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-gov ... ---offside

Football Association Law 11 dated 2019. States specifically no offence if a player receives the ball from:
A throw in
A goal kick
A corner

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Re: Can you be offside from a corner?

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:17 pm

I think that's what Danny Ings was doing yesterday, trying to get onside.

He forgot he wasn't a Claret.

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Re: Can you be offside from a corner?

Post by houseboy » Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:49 pm

We could discuss the ins and outs of the law all day but the fact is penalising a player for being a midges cock offside is taking the p!ss. The sooner we give decisions (right or wrong) back to the ref the better.

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