Incredible.
Grants to pay 80% of workers wages. Some will still not give credit to Boris though...
Incredible.
Just as you are doing now.HieronymousBoschHobs wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 5:58 pmExcellent that the government took the advice of the Trade Union Congress and Labour Party in enacting these new measures, history will surely remember their contribution. After all, it’s at times like this it’s important for all political parties and their supporters to work together and not to engage in petty point scoring.
I'll watch a press conference and then watch both the left and right media put their own slants on it, leave stuff out, put stuff in etc.Spiral wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:36 pmLeft: haircuts should be free
Right: haircuts should not be free
Centre: some styles should be free
More?
Right: drink pi$$
Left: do not drink pi$$
Centrist: drink some pi$$
Centrism for the sake of centrism is an abdication of thought, yielding to political relativism as informed by the positions advocated by the left and right so as to project a rational politics without actually considering the world around you. If a person finds themselves believing in policies that are might be considered centrist, great, but grasping for this mythical centre ground as though it is innately virtuous is ridiculous.
We’ve joined them and proved you are a ****. The evil Tories are now going to pay 80% of salaries for the next 3 months.
Were Corbyn PM, all of this would be blamed on him. As Johnson is PM, this is all the fault of the Corona Virus? More Tory double standards.Damo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:51 pmHardly any flights in and out of the country. Motorways empty. People losing their jobs left right and center. Supermarkets running out of food. Fair play to the Corona virus. It has managed to do, in a couple of weeks what it would have taken a Corbyn government about 2 years to do
I think we'll extend our membership, but I was referring to this link: https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... rus-latest
Agreed. But they’ll never get it, fortunately.RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:43 pmWhen the government announces its plans , and subsequently changes them. Its NOT because they've consulted their advisers whose modelling, and information they themselves receive has changed. (by the hour) It IS because those nasty Tories are incompetent and its NOT their advisers that are criticised.
When the government announce paying workers wages 80% of their salary. Its NOT because those nasty Tories , deserve praise for actually caring about workers. It IS because the government consulted with the trade union Congress and the labour party.
Looking at this thread, that's a glimpse into the twisted thought process, of a typical, blinkered, logic lacking far left loon.
And very young too.RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:56 pmCan I take the opportunity to mention Chancellor Rishi Sunak.
He presents and speaks really very well. He appears calm confident and assured. It's easy to forget he's only been in the job a matter of around 3 weeks.
Fair play to the fella.
Me too. His confident demeanour belies his years.
That advice could work in places like Burnley but then you see overcrowded tubes in London and then think people really are too thick to be trusted.
It’s our elected government led by the worlds leading scientists you absolute krank doing their best for us in unprecedented and scary times.AndrewJB wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:21 pmWere Corbyn PM, all of this would be blamed on him. As Johnson is PM, this is all the fault of the Corona Virus? More Tory double standards.
Johnson's mishandling of the crisis will make it worse. That and the decade of austerity his party imposed on the country which has run down our public services so they'll struggle to cope will mean a harder time for British people. Johnson will go on television waffling and blah-ing, and you'll just believe it. The Johnsonite cult.
Well called. Didn’t see it that well myself at the time. Totally agree that we’ve just found a future PM to replace Boris in 10 years time.Vino blanco wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:06 pmI said that when he was appointed as Chancellor he would be much better than his predecessor and would make a future PM.
Likewise. Don’t really feel this season ever got real momentum with international breaks, the winter break and now this.RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:38 pmMe too. His confident demeanour belies his years.
Their ability to spot a good replacement is almost Dyche-like! (Bloody hell I'm missing the footy!)
Found myself watching old games on youtube for a fix.
AndrewJB wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:21 pmWere Corbyn PM, all of this would be blamed on him. As Johnson is PM, this is all the fault of the Corona Virus? More Tory double standards.
Johnson's mishandling of the crisis will make it worse. That and the decade of austerity his party imposed on the country which has run down our public services so they'll struggle to cope will mean a harder time for British people. Johnson will go on television waffling and blah-ing, and you'll just believe it. The Johnsonite cult.
All the other countries in Europe have taken quicker and stronger measures than we have. Our scientists have advised the government and our government chose the path that leads to more deaths. That is why we have not had lockdowns like they’ve had. Our scientists didn’t say not locking down will reduce the death toll, but gave the government several scenarios. The government - our government - chose the one that would end up with more fatalities, yet keep the economy going. I think they’ve changed that now, but the fact they went for it originally says a lot.Holtyclaret wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:01 pmIt’s our elected government led by the worlds leading scientists you absolute krank doing their best for us in unprecedented and scary times.
F*ck off Andrew, all of your credibility has gone out of the window now. I will criticise the tories for what they have done over the last ten years but you are as mad as McDonnell! Absolutely crackers!AndrewJB wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:21 pmWere Corbyn PM, all of this would be blamed on him. As Johnson is PM, this is all the fault of the Corona Virus? More Tory double standards.
Johnson's mishandling of the crisis will make it worse. That and the decade of austerity his party imposed on the country which has run down our public services so they'll struggle to cope will mean a harder time for British people. Johnson will go on television waffling and blah-ing, and you'll just believe it. The Johnsonite cult.
It's the right wing media wot dun it!
You miss the point entirely ‘all other countries’. Different countries have adopted their own policies. Some have worked better and others worse. The government is being advised by experts what to do not choosing path and what is best for this country.AndrewJB wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:54 pmAll the other countries in Europe have taken quicker and stronger measures than we have. Our scientists have advised the government and our government chose the path that leads to more deaths. That is why we have not had lockdowns like they’ve had. Our scientists didn’t say not locking down will reduce the death toll, but gave the government several scenarios. The government - our government - chose the one that would end up with more fatalities, yet keep the economy going. I think they’ve changed that now, but the fact they went for it originally says a lot.
If you disagree, then what’s your take? I promise not to call you a krank.
The science has never changed , government and so called experts are so far behind the science it’s unbelievableRingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:43 pmWhen the government announces its plans , and subsequently changes them. Its NOT because they've consulted their advisers whose modelling, and information they themselves receive has changed. (by the hour) It IS because those nasty Tories are incompetent and its NOT their advisers that are criticised.
When the government announce paying workers wages 80% of their salary. Its NOT because those nasty Tories , deserve praise for actually caring about workers. It IS because the government consulted with the trade union Congress and the labour party.
Looking at this thread, that's a glimpse into the twisted thought process, of a typical, blinkered, logic lacking far left loon.
Your question was “how did the media lie about Corbyn?” What do you make of my answers? The Sun photoshopped him to make it look as though he was dancing when he was actually supporting a veteran. Do you think that is good or disgraceful journalism?
The response from the government is too late, and still doesn’t go far enoughErasmus wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:33 pmI agree that the response of the government today has been admirable. But I also think that the government's policy of running down the health service will cost a lot of lives. After 2008, they had a choice as to how to fill the gap in government finances, either raise taxes, which would affect the richer sections of society, or cut public services, which would most affect poorer people, or a combination of both. They chose to just to cut public services as a matter of policy, which was unforgiveable. I know a fair few Conservative voters but none of them have ever been able to justify such an iniquitous policy choice, simply because it cannot be justified. It was deeply immoral.
Tell me where I’m wrong - and if I am I’ll admit it (unlike the Tories on here - who’ve changed positions more than they have underwear).PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:54 pmF*ck off Andrew, all of your credibility has gone out of the window now. I will criticise the tories for what they have done over the last ten years but you are as mad as McDonnell! Absolutely crackers!
Prime Minister Johnson is simply doing exactly, what Prime Minister, Corbyn/Starmer/Swinson would've had to do.
Nailed it hahaRingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:02 pmIt's the right wing media wot dun it!
5....4....3.....2.....
I couldn’t give a toss who is in power , it was obvious what was going to happen at the end of January , when did China or Italy talk about herd immunity, they didn’t, the government and so called experts have and will cost real lives , get that into your head .RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:25 pmPrime Minister Johnson is simply doing exactly, what Prime Minister, Corbyn/Starmer/Swinson would've had to do.
Which is, listening to the advice of the Chief Medical Officer and his team. That advice would have been the same, regardless of who had the keys to Number 10.
The modelling is based on a fast changing , and , very fluid situation. The variables will be changing by the hour. Importantly, initially, the information on which it was based, was coming from China. More recently it has been coming from Italy. The more information, the more accurate the advice should be.
The one and only reason the PM has changed the government's approach. Is because his advice has now changed.
You'll , no doubt, be familiar with the words of John Maynard Keynes -
"When the facts change, I change my mind - what do you do, sir?"
That is the best thing Ringo has ever posted.RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:25 pmPrime Minister Johnson is simply doing exactly, what Prime Minister, Corbyn/Starmer/Swinson would've had to do.
Which is, listening to the advice of the Chief Medical Officer and his team. That advice would have been the same, regardless of who had the keys to Number 10.
The modelling is based on a fast changing , and , very fluid situation. The variables will be changing by the hour. Importantly, initially, the information on which it was based, was coming from China. More recently it has been coming from Italy. The more information, the more accurate the advice should be.
The one and only reason the PM has changed the government's approach. Is because his advice has now changed.
You'll , no doubt, be familiar with the words of John Maynard Keynes -
"When the facts change, I change my mind - what do you do, sir?"
Didn’t see you at our PM’s 5pm press conference today? You speak with such authority I’d expect you to be up there fielding questions and sharing your knowledge with the nation.joey13 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:37 pmI couldn’t give a toss who is in power , it was obvious what was going to happen at the end of January , when did China or Italy talk about herd immunity, they didn’t, the government and so called experts have and will cost real lives , get that into your head .
It's good that you "couldn't give a toss who is in power". Had it been a libdem, Green or Labour government they would still be following the advice, the very same advice, from the very same Chief medical officer , from whom , the Conservative government takes guidance from. Therefore , your grievance lays, not with the government itself, but, with their advisers.joey13 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:37 pmI couldn’t give a toss who is in power , it was obvious what was going to happen at the end of January , when did China or Italy talk about herd immunity, they didn’t, the government and so called experts have and will cost real lives , get that into your head .
If the tories said that they would give a billion pounds to every child in poverty you would ask why it wasn’t a billion and one! You lot are so blinkered about the cult of Corbyn you can’t see that what the tories have actually done today is a good thing. The tories have done huge damage over the last ten years but today was a good day for them, you’re just too obsessed to admit it!
Pretty certain that Italy took immediate action. As did China. Not sure either worked. We’ll never know how many lives a different course of action would have saved (if any) so it’s a bit of a pointless debate.AndrewJB wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:54 pmAll the other countries in Europe have taken quicker and stronger measures than we have. Our scientists have advised the government and our government chose the path that leads to more deaths. That is why we have not had lockdowns like they’ve had. Our scientists didn’t say not locking down will reduce the death toll, but gave the government several scenarios. The government - our government - chose the one that would end up with more fatalities, yet keep the economy going. I think they’ve changed that now, but the fact they went for it originally says a lot.
If you disagree, then what’s your take? I promise not to call you a krank.
This!dpinsussex wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:39 pmThat is the best thing Ringo has ever posted.
Let's just say well done Boris. Reacted to advice, responded as soon as the goal posts moved.
This country will come good again.
Please just isolate yourselves. The NHS needs you to do that.