ElectroClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:42 pm

Lucky lad. I can remember when they just got half an orange.

That's the quote that allegedly cost Rodney Marsh his England place, Sir Alf didn't appreciate that kind of humour.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:38 pm

And for who?
Cork? Westwood? Hendrick? McNeil?
Who deserves dropping from our midfield?
It's the same situation with Gibson, it isn't that he isn't any good, he hasn't justified replacing anyone.
I think the "wait your turn and make it yours" tactic is very fair and consistent.

Really? Didn't take long for vydra to make way again,and get more splinters

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:38 pm

And for who?
Cork? Westwood? Hendrick? McNeil?
Who deserves dropping from our midfield?
It's the same situation with Gibson, it isn't that he isn't any good, he hasn't justified replacing anyone.
I think the "wait your turn and make it yours" tactic is very fair and consistent.

Whilst Mee is playing very well and very consistently at the moment, there have been times when he has deserved dropping. That didn’t happen for one reason or another. Although to be fair, BG’s cameo role in Europe didn’t turn out too well, but if we wrote off every player who had a bad start we would’ve missed out on Ade Akinbiyi showing everyone what a good striker he really was in the right set up.
The “wait your turn and make it yours” tactic is most certainly neither fair nor consistent. At least in my opinion. Let’s see if and when Vydra gets another look in. Be interesting for sure.

FactualFrank wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:13 pm

At the moment, of course, but he and Wood showed earlier in the season how good they can work together.

Yes that’s true frank, but he would have to wait for one of the two starters to play CONSISTENTLY poorly before being given a chance don’t you think, as opposed to a quiet 55 mins then on you go our Ashley, you are in for the remainder of the season.

I think the main concern is that we would be looking to reinstate both Wood and Barnes as the the top two as soon as possible, REGARDLESS of how the others have been playing. Wood and Barnes would have to be poor for half a season before it was looked at. The others poor for half a game...

bobinho wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:55 pm

Yes that’s true frank, but he would have to wait for one of the two starters to play CONSISTENTLY poorly before being given a chance don’t you think, as opposed to a quiet 55 mins then on you go our Ashley, you are in for the remainder of the season.

I think the main concern is that we would be looking to reinstate both Wood and Barnes as the the top two as soon as possible, REGARDLESS of how the others have been playing. Wood and Barnes would have to be poor for half a season before it was looked at. The others poor for half a game...

Exactly this

Wood

bobinho wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:55 pm

Yes that’s true frank, but he would have to wait for one of the two starters to play CONSISTENTLY poorly before being given a chance don’t you think, as opposed to a quiet 55 mins then on you go our Ashley, you are in for the remainder of the season.

I think the main concern is that we would be looking to reinstate both Wood and Barnes as the the top two as soon as possible, REGARDLESS of how the others have been playing. Wood and Barnes would have to be poor for half a season before it was looked at. The others poor for half a game...

That’s because Dyche sees these players day in and day out and knows which players are better than others. It is generally a good idea to play your best players.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:38 pm

And for who?
Cork? Westwood? Hendrick? McNeil?
Who deserves dropping from our midfield?
It's the same situation with Gibson, it isn't that he isn't any good, he hasn't justified replacing anyone.
I think the "wait your turn and make it yours" tactic is very fair and consistent.

That's an easy one: Brownhill should replace Hendrick if he's not prepared to sign a new contract.

Should go for Vydra, will go for Wood.

Logic being that it is Vydra’s shirt to lose now, he took his chance, did little wrong yesterday (the whole midfield was off), and there is a chance this can blossom him into a PL player, in which case we would then have four very good strikers.

It’s the kind of bravery I suspect Dyche isn’t capable of. He has many strengths, but this kind of bold selection isn’t one of them.

Unless he got a knock of some kind I thought Vydra was pretty harshly treated yesterday. Yes, after the first 20 minutes when he got a fair bit of ball and once or twice possibly should have done rather better, he really did seem to be weeing against the breeze and making no impression and I do accept that. However SD absolutely never reacts early in those situations and regularly allows others to continue to plough a fruitless furrow basically until the game approaches the 90th minute before making a change. So why hook poor Vydra so quickly yesterday? In all honesty, after seeing how Jay and Vydra shaped up against Bournemouth I'd be giving that combo another shot against Spuds. Especially because they will be busy preparing for our usual battering ram, aerial approach and we could definitely surprise them.

Vydra should keep his place, but he won’t.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:25 pm

That’s because Dyche sees these players day in and day out and knows which players are better than others. It is generally a good idea to play your best players.

I agree. It generally is. Thing is, Jay and Matej are in my opinion better players than Wood and Barnes. Maybe not as effective when we play direct, but as far as football is concerned, I’d argue they are technically superior.

Won’t be as effective as a pairing yet, because they won’t get the game time.

Maybe the best pairing would be Wood and Vydra? Who knows, maybe it is actually Wood and Barnes, and if it is, it means one type of football and we’d be unlikely to catch anyone by surprise. I think we are better than that. We can mix this up a little, but it needs SD to be a little braver in his choices.

My bet is that he will revert to type until his hand is forced into doing otherwise.

Better players don’t ALWAYS make a better team. England won a World Cup with that attitude, and if anyone can’t remember that far back, Burnley walloped Man Utd weeks ago fielding arguably inferior players than those used by Utd.

bobinho wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:08 pm

I agree. It generally is. Thing is, Jay and Matej are in my opinion better players than Wood and Barnes. Maybe not as effective when we play direct, but as far as football is concerned, I’d argue they are technically superior.

Won’t be as effective as a pairing yet, because they won’t get the game time.

Maybe the best pairing would be Wood and Vydra? Who knows, maybe it is actually Wood and Barnes, and if it is, it means one type of football and we’d be unlikely to catch anyone by surprise. I think we are better than that. We can mix this up a little, but it needs SD to be a little braver in his choices.

My bet is that he will revert to type until his hand is forced into doing otherwise.

Better players don’t ALWAYS make a better team. England won a World Cup with that attitude, and if anyone can’t remember that far back, Burnley walloped Man Utd weeks ago fielding arguably inferior players than those used by Utd.

You’re going to have to back up the claim that Vydra is a better player than Wood. That’s one hell of a claim. Wood’s goalscoring record for us is fantastic whereas Vydra has played well for about 2 hours since signing.

I'd like to see a Wood/Vydra pairing, just to see what they could do together. This doesn't mean that I don't appreciate what Rodriguez (or Barnes) brings to the table. Football at our level is, or should be, a squad game.

Im not going to have to back that up at all because I’m not saying that. I’m saying Vydra is a better player than Barnes, not Wood.

I’m saying Jay is better than Wood.

I suppose I could generate some stats that will comprehensively state that Vydra has a better goal scoring record for us than Wood tho...

Anyway, I’ll say again that I like Wood. I like Barnes too. They are good together and quite a force up top. My single point is that Vydra and Jay have done well enough to warrant a run of games DESPITE, Wood being ready again. The set up and effective style warrants it in my opinion. I’m also of the opinion that had Wood and Barnes been on the field against Bournemouth, we may well not have won. Can you see those chances being made let alone taken? Ok. Maybe Barnes can take a volley on like Matej, but I think you get my point.

I also get that my opinion means nowt....

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:33 am

Mourinho tends to have our number at the Turf, and usually sits a big DCM on our target man to completely negate our threat. If Wood does play, I'd expect Eric Dier to never be more than 5 yards away from him.

I think Wood will be brought back in, but I do think Rodriguez and Vydra might just be the way to go. We'll see.

Spot on, has us sussed, defensive midfielder doubles up with whichever CB is nearest to the aerial ball to totally isolate our Striker that normally would go to challenge for the ball; I believe a different approach will be needed to guarantee success.

Well i was wondering if it will be Wood or Vydera......and if he plays Wood first, and Vids is on the bench my opinion is.........wait for it........ Mr Dyche is NOT the messiah hes just a very naughty boy , and now for something compleatly different....where have i heard that one before............lol Videra to play in my opinion.

......and then he fell over and banged his head! Never to be heard again....the end.

Vydera
Vids
Videra

Vydra Bingo !

Wood or Woods?

Wood for me

Wood

Wood, our best striker.

Wood.

Has to be Wood really, with Vydra an option to change things if necessary later in the game. Whatever SD thinks best is fine by me tbh.

I think it is natural to assume that as SD brought on Wood to replace Vydra on Saturday, that he will start with Wood against Spurs. Personally I don't think that that will necessarily happen. Vydra has shown that there is no risk in starting him again, pairing him with JRod. And if it doesn't work and a change of tactics is required then he or JRod can be substituted for Wood.

Should be Vydra but will be Wood.

Dyche could not wait to get him off even though the service upto the front men was **** poor

Wood & Vydra to start? Jay on bench but on early in second half.

Above all - how nice is it that we even have this conundrum.

ClaretAndBlue94 wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:48 am

Above all - how nice is it that we even have this conundrum.

Absolutely, but not if dyche sits vydra back on the bench until he leaves the club, vydra has done nothing wrong in my opinion, the whole game from midfield forward on Saturday was poor and I see no reason why he should be singled out, I hope not against spuds, we'll see. Utc's

The manager’s style is to “lock the back door” and at the moment he is intent on reaching the magic 40 points, so expect a cagey game with a draw the likely outcome. When we went at them at WHL they were set up to counterattack, Son ran the length of the pitch and we took a pasting.

Vydra offers nothing in defence but Wood provides cover at set pieces and is a good long ball target man.
No Son, Kane or more importantly Ericsson this time, so a different Spuds team, but their manager will want to avoid defeat at all costs.

Wood to start.

Vydra or Wood that is the question
Tis nobler of the mind
To play Rodriguez with Vydra
Than suffer the slings and arrows
Of outraged UTC posters

A tough call this one and should be based on on any weakness in the Spurs team that can be exploited by either player. Vydra for me as he needs to know he will be given a few games and he has done nothing wrong. Make an early change if needed not a few minutes at the end. RM needs looking at and introducing Brownhill earlier for Cork if required.

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Well i was wondering if it will be Wood or Vydera......and if he plays Wood first, and Vids is on the bench my opinion is.........wait for it........ Mr Dyche is NOT the messiah hes just a very naughty boy , and now for something compleatly different....where have i heard that one before............lol Videra to play in my opinion."


Not so much outraged as off their tits by the sound of it...........

Reading this thread I am confused, who is this Videra chap ... have we signed a South American playmaker

Vydra was no worse than anyone else at Newcastle and indeed JayRod failed to hit the target when clean through.

So if Sean's mantra of earn the shirt then keep it, is to be believed, then Vydra has to start against Spurs. After all Wood did very little when he came on.

I'd be surprised if it wasn't Wood. I personally think Wood and JayRod are our best pairing up front even if Barnes was fit. Vydra has proved over the last few weeks that he has the ability to score goals at this level. He will make a good impact sub but hopefully not so late in a game should things not be going according to plan.

If anything, what Vydra has shown is that if he is a sub he should be coming on far earlier and more often.

Wood all daylong dyche couldn’t wait to get him on Saturday utc

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:38 pm

And for who?
Cork? Westwood? Hendrick? McNeil?
Who deserves dropping from our midfield?
It's the same situation with Gibson, it isn't that he isn't any good, he hasn't justified replacing anyone.
I think the "wait your turn and make it yours" tactic is very fair and consistent.

I'm not certain about that bud. It was as I feared with Wood sat on the bench on Saturday - Vydra had just under an hour to get a goal and it played out just as I thought it might. It seemed as though Wood was always going to get on much earlier than Dyche usually makes substitutions, as someone has pointed out, he couldn't wait to get Wood on. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think Vydra has a snowball in hells chance of starting on Saturday. JR will still be in the side and he hasn't done any better than Vydra. I wouldn't mind a Wood/Vydra start but I just don't see it. If Vydra starts or gets at least 30 minutes as a sub I will feel more confident but Saturday was just so predicatble I still think his face 'doesn't fit'.

Of course I could be wrong and I hope I am.

ashtonlongsider wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:01 am

I'd be surprised if it wasn't Wood. I personally think Wood and JayRod are our best pairing up front even if Barnes was fit. Vydra has proved over the last few weeks that he has the ability to score goals at this level. He will make a good impact sub but hopefully not so late in a game should things not be going according to plan.

To be honest if Wood/JR/Vydra are fit Barnes shouldn't be in the running at all, the other 3 are far better fooballers. Barnes would be at his best coming on late (but not too late) when we need a goal because when he is fresh he does scare defences but he is not, for me, a 90 minute player because he is a bit too easy for defenders to suss out if they don't get bullied by him.

Would absolutely love to keep all 4 in summer though - we could forget needing to spend money in that department and use it for what is more needful. Depending on how Brownhill pans out we might not even need to much in midfield (again that would depend on who stays - get that pen to paper Jeff). Then we could spend good money on that attacking right back we so desperately need. If we could keep all our players (at least the ones we want) then the Summer window would be a success even without a signing.

I thought Jay and Vydra looked pretty decent on Saturday in the context that as a team we struggled to really get going. They both looked pretty sharp and there was a few nice touches from both.
Our midfield was the real problem - Jeff and Dwight both had a bit of a mare tbh - they kept on losing possession and there was very little decent service to the front 2 other than from Westwood and our defence. Nick Pope’s kicking was also awful so it was a tough day for any forward to do well especially against Newcastle who are even less expansive than us !
I don’t think Jay and Vydra did anything which warrants them being dropped to the bench - IMHO they deserve to keep their place.
I do think Wood will get the nod though - probably for Vydra.

As long as Vydra gets longer than 5 minutes when we are losing I have no problem with Wood starting.

Vydra has shown that he can influence games though and should be on much sooner than he has been.

I thought we did worse when wood came on.

Times like this, SD earns his money.
Personally think Vydra has earned a start. But reckon he'll go with Wood.