Foxes interest in Charlie

Carport · Post by **Carport** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:09 pm

https://www.teamtalk.com/news/report-le ... eplacement

Zlatan · Post by **Zlatan** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:10 pm

They can f#ck off. There, I’ll speak for all of us

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:12 pm

I imagine many, MANY clubs are interested in Charlie.

I imagine many clubs are interested in a lot of our players.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:12 pm

Newspaper talk more than likely designed to upset players and teams....

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:15 pm

If we could get 15 to 20m for him, with Pieters available now and Koki in the wings we would be foolish to stop him moving to a champions league club.

We could easily reinvest that money in Hendricks replacement.

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:16 pm

I would have thought Charlie was more in demand than Ben Chillwall.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:20 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:15 pm
If we could get 15 to 20m for him, with Pieters available now and Koki in the wings we would be foolish to stop him moving to a champions league club.

We could easily reinvest that money in Hendricks replacement.

35+ million at least. 3 years on his contract and Maguire went for 80 million.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:20 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:15 pm
If we could get 15 to 20m for him, with Pieters available now and Koki in the wings we would be foolish to stop him moving to a champions league club.

We could easily reinvest that money in Hendricks replacement.

We might be in the Champions League yet. Pieters is not anywhere near good enough for us now. We are building not selling.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:20 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:15 pm
If we could get 15 to 20m for him, with Pieters available now and Koki in the wings we would be foolish to stop him moving to a champions league club.

We could easily reinvest that money in Hendricks replacement.

IF the article is right that Leicester think they can get Maguire money for Chilwell - we would be wanting Tarks money for Taylor - it cooled their interest in the summer should do the dame again - and Pieters is not the answer even for a single full season

ClaretMov · Post by **ClaretMov** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:21 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:15 pm
If we could get 15 to 20m for him, with Pieters available now and Koki in the wings we would be foolish to stop him moving to a champions league club.

We could easily reinvest that money in Hendricks replacement.

15 to 20 million for one of the best left back's in England lol.

Glad you aren't in charge of player sale's

He's worth double that

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:24 pm

The bites

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:25 pm

Nonayforever wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:16 pm
I would have thought Charlie was more in demand than Ben Chillwall.

Seriously ?

DomBFC1882 · Post by **DomBFC1882** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:27 pm

Charlie's worth minimum 40 million. To suggest 15-20 mil is frankly ridiculous

LordBob · Post by **LordBob** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:32 pm

I agree with C&J we shouldn't under sell our players we are an established Premier League team watched all over the world we beat the Man Utd's of the world our players are very good players so if somebody wants one it's gonna cost.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:33 pm

One of a few players who we could lose inc Tarky (almost inevitable ) and possibly McNeil . I’d love ya to keep all 3 though if we keep 2 it gives us another season out of them and a v good payday . Taylor has been very impressive this season . The board should be digging deep to keep the bits of real quality we have

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:34 pm

People dismissing Pieters are doing it for no valid reason.

Taylor's a decent player. Reasonably quick. And steady enough in the tackle. But hes no better than Pieters. In fact our best play comes with Pieters in the side especially going forward. Hes far better defensively and offensively and the stats back that up.

At 27 this year hes hit peak value so we either sell him or accept we will lose out on 15 to 20m.

To say he is worth 40m plus is pure fantasy. He doesn't score and rarely assists. Pieters does both and has a similar career clean sheet record.

As for Chillwell hes far better and far younger than both.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:44 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:34 pm
People dismissing Pieters are doing it for no valid reason.

Taylor's a decent player. Reasonably quick. And steady enough in the tackle. But hes no better than Pieters. In fact our best play comes with Pieters in the side especially going forward. Hes far better defensively and offensively and the stats back that up.

At 27 this year hes hit peak value so we either sell him or accept we will lose out on 15 to 20m.

To say he is worth 40m plus is pure fantasy. He doesn't score and rarely assists. Pieters does both and has a similar career clean sheet record.

As for Chillwell hes far better and far younger than both.

Those stats are about attacking. Taylor is a far better defender

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:46 pm

Yay, let's have a discussion on the strength of something on TeamTalk.com.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:46 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:44 pm
Those stats are about attacking. Taylor is a far better defender

Really?
First image is Taylor tackles. Second is Pieters (who has played less)

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:51 pm

I would be gutted if he left. He’s an outstanding talent

Grimsdale · Post by **Grimsdale** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:55 pm

On their respective defensive qualities -

Pieters:
Minutes played 1233
Goals conceded 29

Taylor:
Minutes played 1285
Goals conceded 10

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:56 pm

£15 million for Charlie Taylor and Pieters a better player. Sometimes there is a case for someone trying too hard to be too controversial.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:59 pm

Grimsdale wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:55 pm
On their respective defensive qualities -

Pieters:
Minutes played 1233
Goals conceded 29

Taylor:
Minutes played 1285
Goals conceded 10

Nick Pope goals conceded. 39. You can manipulate stats like that to suit any agenda.

Fact is Pieters has assisted more, scored more and tackled more than Taylor all in less games.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:02 pm

This reminds me of yesterdays whinges about Jay Rods misses this season ....

Jay Rod has missed 33 chances 36% accuracy

Aguero has missed 112 chances but actually has a 41% accuracy

You can do a lot with statistics it doesn't matter a hoot

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:09 pm

80M for Chilwell?

Jesus wept.

Tinribs · Post by **Tinribs** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:20 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:59 pm
Nick Pope goals conceded. 39. You can manipulate stats like that to suit any agenda.

Fact is Pieters has assisted more, scored more and tackled more than Taylor all in less games.

Hahaha go to bed and dream up your next bait

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:41 pm

Pieters is nowhere near Charlie Taylor’s level and Taylor isn’t quite at Chilwell’s level either.

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:42 pm

To be fair Pieters has got a better defensive record. Apart from Charlie's pace Pieters wins most stats.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:44 pm

We need them all for Europe next season.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:49 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:46 pm
Really?
First image is Taylor tackles. Second is Pieters (who has played less)

Have you got the stats for missed tackles and for being the wrong side of the attacker?

The problem is, you're trying to compare them by using stats. Use your eyes and then judge who is the better player.

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:55 pm

Villa could have beat man city with Charlie on the left wing the other day.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:08 pm

I'm interested in Charlize Theron, not gonna happen either !

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:17 pm

Not the finished article but made huge strides in last two seasons and will continue to improve. Extremely good defensively and if he had that killer cross he would be exceptional

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:16 am

I've done a brief scroll down here and I can only assume the description of Taylor being "no better than Pieters" were parody or whatnot

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:10 am

Taylor's a decent player. Reasonably quick. And steady enough in the tackle. But hes no better than Pieters

ClaretAndBlue94 · Post by **ClaretAndBlue94** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:19 am

I think Charlie is improving week by week.

Really good standard for us to have.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:43 am

I don't think Charlie will go anywhere so stop worrying guys.

To be honest for all the fuss we often make about not buying players I think this Summer will be a hugely successful window if we don't buy anyone and simply keep everyone we have got. With a (seemingly) revitalised Vydra, a (hopefully) fully fit JBG, Brownhill to be introduced fully into the team and 4 (yes four) decent strikers we have got the makings of a bloody good squad of players. Okay we could use a decent attacking right back but even what we have is not too shabby is it? We have got arguably one of the best goalkeeping/central defensive combinations in the PL (an article I read recently was suggesting that Southgate could do worse than use the whole set for England), and a midfield that is still a work in progress but on paper has the potential to be excellent (JBG/Hendrick/Westwood/Brownhill/Mcniel/Pope/Brady/Lennon). These are all good players and given that we aren't going to sign world class superstars any time soon I think we can rightly be very opitimistic. But the key is holding on to them - that is going to be the main job this Summer for Dyche, any additions will be just a bonus.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:55 am

We paid about 1m for Pieters , Taylor is worth at least 30m but Pieters is the better player

That’ll be why Taylor is Dyche’s number 1 left back

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:58 am

houseboy wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:43 am
I don't think Charlie will go anywhere so stop worrying guys.

To be honest for all the fuss we often make about not buying players I think this Summer will be a hugely successful window if we don't buy anyone and simply keep everyone we have got. With a (seemingly) revitalised Vydra, a (hopefully) fully fit JBG, Brownhill to be introduced fully into the team and 4 (yes four) decent strikers we have got the makings of a bloody good squad of players. Okay we could use a decent attacking right back but even what we have is not too shabby is it? We have got arguably one of the best goalkeeping/central defensive combinations in the PL (an article I read recently was suggesting that Southgate could do worse than use the whole set for England), and a midfield that is still a work in progress but on paper has the potential to be excellent (JBG/Hendrick/Westwood/Brownhill/Mcniel/Pope/Brady/Lennon). These are all good players and given that we aren't going to sign world class superstars any time soon I think we can rightly be very opitimistic. But the key is holding on to them - that is going to be the main job this Summer for Dyche, any additions will be just a bonus.

Pope in midfield?

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:03 am

The danger of misusing statistics reminds me of that famous Carter Racing / Challenger Space Shuttle exercise that has been taught in business schools for 30 years. It’s something I am very mindful of when designing forms of analysis for clients.

We can lament Taylor’s assists and goals but he also links well with Dwight and wins quite a lot of corners and fouls around their box. Dwight needs this at times. Similarly, he can get caught at the back but is excellent at recovery, such as his last ditch tackle in front of us on Saturday.

We shouldn’t sell him unless it gets silly, and even then we should think twice.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:16 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:15 pm
If we could get 15 to 20m for him, with Pieters available now and Koki in the wings we would be foolish to stop him moving to a champions league club.

We could easily reinvest that money in Hendricks replacement.

Generally speaking, I enjoy your posts and I can see what you are getting at. Other times I read them and I think “rods out”.
Inserting an emoji at the end helps us understand your angle.... I think this is one me of those times when you should’ve inserted one, so that we all know you are “lighting the blue touch paper” and leaving.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:24 am

Like a few on here, it wouldn't surprise me if half the clubs in the PL weren't looking enviously at Taylor. The only left back better than Charlie this season, since his return from injury, has been Andy Robertson. Chilwell looks good when Vardy's playing but imo he appears very average.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:25 am

CC on a big wind up - I hope....because if he isn’t that would be a lot more embarrassing !

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:28 am

joey13 wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:55 am
We paid about 1m for Pieters , Taylor is worth at least 30m but Pieters is the better player
That’ll be why Taylor is Dyche’s number 1 left back

We paid less than a million for Pope and Heaton Combined. Everton paid £25m for Pickford.

What we paid hardly matters. Thats not how things work.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:29 am

bobinho wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:16 am
Generally speaking, I enjoy your posts and I can see what you are getting at. Other times I read them and I think “rods out”.
Inserting an emoji at the end helps us understand your angle.... I think this is one me of those times when you should’ve inserted one, so that we all know you are “lighting the blue touch paper” and leaving.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:29 am

TVC15 wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:25 am
CC on a big wind up - I hope....because if he isn’t that would be a lot more embarrassing !

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:37 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:28 am
We paid less than a million for Pope and Heaton Combined. Everton paid £25m for Pickford.

What we paid hardly matters. Thats not how things work.

Pieters is 31 , Pope was 23 when we brought him in , you’re not making any sense , if you think Pieters is anywhere near Taylor, you know f all about football

ChorltonCharlie · Post by **ChorltonCharlie** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:37 am

Think we need to be careful with hyperbole when it comes to Taylor. He's come on leaps and bounds and is a different player to 18 months ago. The sides he'd be a target for are looking at top 6 and even 4, and his lack of end product is then a huge issue. These teams are chasing Liverpool who score loads of goals from balls in from full-backs. It's a huge part of Liverpools game and there's nothing to suggest that Taylor would give the chasing pack the creativity needed from that position. The other thing we know from the past is often our players look better defensively because the way we play and how our defenders are protected. Even so, the idea that we'd only want £15m to £20m for one of our better players in our financial situation is a big stretch. I'm not sure we'd be talking £40m, but in today's market we'd definitely want well over £20m.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:52 am

Nothing to do with hyperbole or “end product”
Taylor gets the team to the other end of the pitch with lung bursting runs - especially in the second half when other teams are tiring.
How many times this season have we seen him run 50 or 60 yards down the line and beat 2 or 3 players and win a corner or free kick - these will often lead to chances / goals. Taylor does not get an assist for these but clearly he has played a massive role in the goal. It’s the same with his combination play / overlapping with Dwight where he might not be putting in the final ball but he has been integral to the play.
His defending is good again because of his fitness and pace.
He’s not the finished article either but this season he’s up there with Chilwell as the best English left back and Chilwell’s form has taken a dip since Christmas.

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:37 am

You're either fishing or had far too much to drink on a Monday . On Chilwell , he was "skinned " against Norwich a few times on Friday .