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Genesis to reunite

Post by Stan Tastic » Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:59 pm

Announcement on the Zoey Ball Radio 2 show.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/03/genesis- ... -12344033/
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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by Funkydrummer » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:57 pm

Hope not.

Exodus is fine by me.

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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by houseboy » Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:03 pm

Well that was a let down, slightly. The three guys make decent music but without Hackett and (especially) Gabriel it’s not what I was hoping. Supper won’t quite be ready alas.
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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by Stproc » Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:35 am

houseboy wrote:
Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:03 pm
Well that was a let down, slightly. The three guys make decent music but without Hackett and (especially) Gabriel it’s not what I was hoping. Supper won’t quite be ready alas.
It was never going to be the full reunite as they don’t want to work together again. I read a few months back that if they did tour again Collins wanted his son to play drums instead of Chester.

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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by Squarepusher » Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:30 am

I thought they were called Mega Drive over here?
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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by claptrappers_union » Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:41 am

I wouldn’t have thought Collins would’ve been fit enough for a tour.

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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by Jeffbfc » Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:32 am

Are they down to the last ten of millions in the bank.
No doubt it will be pushing £100 a ticket.
Play one of the better older albums and look at a poster.
Will be more movement than on stage.
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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by Tricky Trevor » Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:05 am

I’m on my own here but Gabriel leaving Genesis was the best thing that happened to both.
The band went more mainstream but produced some cracking tracks, he went more world music and did the same.
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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by Steve1956 » Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:10 am

No Gabriel..No Genesis,move on that ship has sailed,i know what i like.
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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by houseboy » Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:13 am

Stproc wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:35 am
It was never going to be the full reunite as they don’t want to work together again. I read a few months back that if they did tour again Collins wanted his son to play drums instead of Chester.
That apparently is going to happen because Collins can't play much now because of some long term injury or something. It's a shame because despite the stick that he has got over the years from a lot of people the guy is an absolutely insanely good drummer.
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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by Hipper » Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:57 am

All the singers and bands I liked in the late sixties/early seventies offer nothing original anymore and struggle with the singing. This is not a surprise as voices change and deteriorate. It's sad but has to be accepted. All they offer now is a nostalgia fest, not a bad thing I suppose but not for me.

One of my favourites, Iain Matthews, is still working, but I made the decision a few years ago to no longer check his new stuff out. It's poor as far as I'm concerned. It's tough when you've followed their musical development for forty years but that's the reality.

Here's an extreme example. John Stewart wrote and sang Daydream Believer which became famous with The Monkees. I liked the original:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Df-z_j0Tos

He was around 32 at the time. Now this, when he was 68:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcrhOQHPAsU

Very sad.

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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by joey13 » Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:57 am

houseboy wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:13 am
That apparently is going to happen because Collins can't play much now because of some long term injury or something. It's a shame because despite the stick that he has got over the years from a lot of people the guy is an absolutely insanely good drummer.
Hasn’t Collins got Pancreatitis

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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by houseboy » Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:02 am

joey13 wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:57 am
Hasn’t Collins got Pancreatitis
I'm not certain mate, it may well be that. I just know he can't drum for long now, which is kinda sad. I think he had a serious fall as well a couple of years ago that wound up with him being in hospital.
Anyone who doubts his ability needs to listen closely to the Apocolypse in 9/8 section of Supper's Ready, it's a piece of pure magic.

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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by dougcollins » Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:37 am

I saw Steve Hackett's band play 'Selling England by the Pound' in Halifax last November and they were better than the current 'Genesis'.
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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by Steve1956 » Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:04 am

dougcollins wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:37 am
I saw Steve Hackett's band play 'Selling England by the Pound' in Halifax last November and they were better than the current 'Genesis'.
Ive heard that story many times before,the last time i saw a performance from Collins he could hardly walk,that reunion has disaster written all over it.

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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by houseboy » Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:05 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:10 am
No Gabriel..No Genesis,move on that ship has sailed,i know what i like.
You're on about wardrobes again aren't you Steve? Could be your idylic lifestyle bud:

As the sun beats down I lie on a bench,
I can always hear them talk..........

There's always been Ethel.
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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by houseboy » Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:11 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:05 am
I’m on my own here but Gabriel leaving Genesis was the best thing that happened to both.
The band went more mainstream but produced some cracking tracks, he went more world music and did the same.
I agree to a point bud. Genesis were never as good without him in my opinion, although they did make some excellent albums, but without the band Gabriel went on to record some very original and experimental stuff, whilst still gaining a certain amount of commercial success. But together they were a bit special and Foxtrot is still one of my top ten albums of all time. Oddly my favourite non-Gabriel Genesis album is Duke, they were truly inspired when they recorded that album.

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Re: Genesis to reunite

Post by Mondsley » Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:12 pm

I am guessing tickets will be on the top side of £100 but I'll still try and see them. One last time and all that. If you don't fancy it I would strongly recommend Steve Hackett who is playing the whole of the Seconds Out live album on tour this November. Failing that there is an excellent tribute band called Musical Box who are reviving Lamb Lies Down on Broadway in its entirety next Feb in Manchester. Saw them last month and they are top notch!
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Re: Genesis to reunite

Post by Steve1956 » Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:40 pm

The only reunion of Genesis should be with Peter Gabriel...would willingly pay £100 to see that,without Gabriel not for me thanks.
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Re: Genesis to reunite

Post by Stan Tastic » Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:06 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:40 pm
The only reunion of Genesis should be with Peter Gabriel...would willingly pay £100 to see that,without Gabriel not for me thanks.
My brother went to see the "Six Of The Best" concert at Milton Keynes when the original line-up reformed in 1982 to rescue Gabriel's WOMAD financial disaster.

Peter Gabriel was carried out in a coffin to open the concert. It rained heavily all day and my brother watched the entire show wearing a bin-liner with eye-holes cut out.

Amazingly there doesn't appear to be any video footage of this one-off event.
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Re: Genesis to reunite

Post by Steve1956 » Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:09 pm

Stan Tastic wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:06 pm
My brother went to see the "Six Of The Best" concert at Milton Keynes when the original line-up reformed in 1982 to rescue Gabriel's WOMAD financial disaster.

Peter Gabriel was carried out in a coffin to open the concert. It rained heavily all day and my brother watched the entire show wearing a bin-liner with eye-holes cut out.

Amazingly there doesn't appear to be any video footage of this one-off event.
:lol: sounds like a stonking day out to me.

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Re: Genesis to reunite

Post by Stan Tastic » Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:33 pm

Set list from that day.
"Back in N.Y.C."
"Dancing with the Moonlit Knight" (Excerpt)
"The Carpet Crawlers"
"Firth of Fifth"
"The Musical Box"
"Solsbury Hill"
"Turn It On Again" (vocals: Phil Collins; drums: Peter Gabriel)
"The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway"
"Fly on a Windshield"
"Broadway Melody of 1974"
"In the Cage"
"Supper's Ready"
"I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)" (guitar: Steve Hackett)
"The Knife" (guitar: Steve Hackett)

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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by icu81b4 » Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:05 pm

Hipper wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:57 am

One of my favourites, Iain Matthews, is still working, but I made the decision a few years ago to no longer check his new stuff out.
You may like him Hipper, but I don't think the rest of Southern Comfort ended up too keen on him.

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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by holdyourfire » Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:51 pm

Jeffbfc wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:32 am
Are they down to the last ten of millions in the bank.
No doubt it will be pushing £100 a ticket.
Play one of the better older albums and look at a poster.
Will be more movement than on stage.
You talk through your grey quiff man,duke,then there were three,wind and wuthering,trick of the tail. BRILLIANT albums,just ask the man with the hump.
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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by Jeffbfc » Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:10 pm

holdyourfire wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:51 pm
You talk through your grey quiff man,duke,then there were three,wind and wuthering,trick of the tail. BRILLIANT albums,just ask the man with the hump.
Read the post properly you arse.
Didn't say music was shite said listen to a older album.
🙄

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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by Quicknick » Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:40 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:05 am
I’m on my own here but Gabriel leaving Genesis was the best thing that happened to both.
The band went more mainstream but produced some cracking tracks, he went more world music and did the same.
Gabriel's first few solo albums were anything but world music.

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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by Quicknick » Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:41 pm

icu81b4 wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:05 pm
You may like him Hipper, but I don't think the rest of Southern Comfort ended up too keen on him.
Why, what happened?

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Re: Genesis to reunite

Post by Wile E Coyote » Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:12 pm

last time I saw collins on a tv documentary, he had to have the sticks gaffer taped to his hands to keep a grip on them.
No idea whether that was due to injury or illness.
Not my type of music, but he was undoubtably a great drummer.

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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by icu81b4 » Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:24 pm

Quicknick wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:41 pm
Why, what happened?
I was working with Gordon Huntley (pedal steel) and I happened to ask him to autograph a MSC compilation album, apparently Gordon didn't know anything about it (therefore missing out on royalties) saying it was typical and was calling IM fit to burn.

He said he would have to have a word.

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Re: Genesis to reunite

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:28 pm

F*ck Collins, this guy p*sses all over him on the drums

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Re: Genesis to reunite

Post by Mondsley » Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:33 am

Mondsley wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:12 pm
I am guessing tickets will be on the top side of £100 but I'll still try and see them. One last time and all that. If you don't fancy it I would strongly recommend Steve Hackett who is playing the whole of the Seconds Out live album on tour this November. Failing that there is an excellent tribute band called Musical Box who are reviving Lamb Lies Down on Broadway in its entirety next Feb in Manchester. Saw them last month and they are top notch!
Just heard that O2 priority tickets went on sale yesterday at £130 - £180. Don't think I'll bother!

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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by Hipper » Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:08 am

Hipper wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:57 am
One of my favourites, Iain Matthews, is still working, but I made the decision a few years ago to no longer check his new stuff out. It's poor as far as I'm concerned. It's tough when you've followed their musical development for forty years but that's the reality.
icu81b4 wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:05 pm
You may like him Hipper, but I don't think the rest of Southern Comfort ended up too keen on him.
Quicknick wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:41 pm
Why, what happened?
icu81b4 wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:24 pm
I was working with Gordon Huntley (pedal steel) and I happened to ask him to autograph a MSC compilation album, apparently Gordon didn't know anything about it (therefore missing out on royalties) saying it was typical and was calling IM fit to burn.

He said he would have to have a word.
I should of course have said I like his music. I get the impression he sees himself as a delicate artist in a slightly snobbish way.

With Matthews Southern Comfort they had a 'number 1, Top of the Pops' with Woodstock in November 1970 and it seems he couldn't handle all the media stuff that goes with it along with all those band tensions you might get. It was his band but others wanted a bigger say in musical decisions and more money. It culminated in him walking off the stage after a sound check before a concert. The remnants continued as Southern Comfort and produce three more albums before going their separate ways. There's no question Matthews was the real talent. Looking back, as he does in his seemingly honest book 'Thro' My Eyes' he regrets not being stronger and more able to cope with all this. On the financial side the band were on a wage but this was increased as their popularity did. Later to appease demands from band members he gave each of them 10% of the royalties leaving 50% for himself but he had to pay management fees etc. and writes that he probably paid them too much.

He says he was a bit afraid of Gordon Huntley as he would tell him stories of past mischief - flying with Bomber Command in WW2, dance hall fights, prison - a couple of pages in the book. Matthews was later told that whilst the other members of the band accepted the situation Huntley had told them he was going to kill Matthews!

Anyway, better days (posted by the bass player):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2fyHbsiBWk

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Post by Dinks » Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:48 am

Genesis with Gabriel 9/10
Genesis without Gabriel 4/10

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Post by icu81b4 » Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:41 pm

Hipper wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:08 am
I should of course have said I like his music. I get the impression he sees himself as a delicate artist in a slightly snobbish way.

He says he was a bit afraid of Gordon Huntley as he would tell him stories of past mischief - flying with Bomber Command in WW2, dance hall fights, prison - a couple of pages in the book. Matthews was later told that whilst the other members of the band accepted the situation Huntley had told them he was going to kill Matthews!

Anyway, better days (posted by the bass player):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2fyHbsiBWk
Interesting update, thanks. I have to say in Gordon's defence that he was always very civil with me and was the joker in the band (made up of session musicians for a tour) , an incredibly talented musician who seemed to get along with everyone, which made it even more alarming to me when he rounded on IM.

Anyhoo, thanks for posting the link, it's nice to see Gordon in it.

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Post by Sproggy » Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:19 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:37 am
I saw Steve Hackett's band play 'Selling England by the Pound' in Halifax last November and they were better than the current 'Genesis'.
So did I. Did you try the Victorian Ale Cafe round the back of the venue? Some good beers on in there.

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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by Hipper » Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:49 pm

icu81b4 wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:41 pm
Interesting update, thanks. I have to say in Gordon's defence that he was always very civil with me and was the joker in the band (made up of session musicians for a tour) , an incredibly talented musician who seemed to get along with everyone, which made it even more alarming to me when he rounded on IM.

Anyhoo, thanks for posting the link, it's nice to see Gordon in it.
It has to be remembered that the rest of MSC were in their twenties whereas Gordon was 40+. Matthews was never sure whether to believe all Gordon told him. Apparently he shared rooms with him on tour and Huntley would wake up screaming 'we're in spin, we're in a spin'. He doesn't say Gordon was a bad bloke, just that he was never sure about him, and correctly points out his musician qualities.

It was MSC and Huntley that turned me on to pedal steel guitar. I love it, in its place. Huntley of course played for many artists and even made an album himself.

The British Steel Society have a forum devoted to him:

https://www.thebritishsteeliessociety.c ... m.php?f=12

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Re: Genesis to reunite

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:51 pm

Dinks wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:48 am
Genesis with Gabriel 9/10
Genesis without Gabriel 4/10
No Genesis without Gabriel!

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Post by Shipclaret » Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:01 pm

I am on for it, expensive but Leeds Dec booked and Hackett also lined up in Cambridge Nov. I just like it and agree on the post Gabriel comments but why not? UTC

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Post by Billyblah » Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:03 pm

icu81b4 wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:05 pm
You may like him Hipper, but I don't think the rest of Southern Comfort ended up too keen on him.
Matthews appeared on the first three Fairport Convention albums (1967-68) and proved himself to be one of the finest vocalist of the times. He appears at their Oxfordshire reunions every August and can still hold the notes.
Incidentally Steve Hackett is also appearing at this year's Fairport reunion no doubt performing early Genesis.
I'd definitely rather see Fairport and Hackett rather than having to suffer Phil Collins limping onto the stage.

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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by Dinks » Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:37 pm

Billyblah wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:03 pm
Matthews appeared on the first three Fairport Convention albums (1967-68) and proved himself to be one of the finest vocalist of the times. He appears at their Oxfordshire reunions every August and can still hold the notes.
Incidentally Steve Hackett is also appearing at this year's Fairport reunion no doubt performing early Genesis.
I'd definitely rather see Fairport and Hackett rather than having to suffer Phil Collins limping onto the stage.
The mere mention of Fairport Convention,has me scouring my CD collection for Babbacombe Lee,what a brilliant album that is.

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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by icu81b4 » Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:00 pm

Hipper wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:49 pm
It has to be remembered that the rest of MSC were in their twenties whereas Gordon was 40+. Matthews was never sure whether to believe all Gordon told him. Apparently he shared rooms with him on tour and Huntley would wake up screaming 'we're in spin, we're in a spin'. He doesn't say Gordon was a bad bloke, just that he was never sure about him, and correctly points out his musician qualities.

It was MSC and Huntley that turned me on to pedal steel guitar. I love it, in its place. Huntley of course played for many artists and even made an album himself.

The British Steel Society have a forum devoted to him:

https://www.thebritishsteeliessociety.c ... m.php?f=12
Knowing his character I'm sure Gordon would have been pulling his leg. It was him and B.J.Cole who I saw at Morgan Studios that turned me onto pedal steel. Have you tried to play one? Very easy to make it sound like three guitars out of tune!

I played pedal steel on this track last month for some mates. :)

https://youtu.be/5CM-Slpddy0

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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by dougcollins » Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:51 pm

Sproggy wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:19 pm
So did I. Did you try the Victorian Ale Cafe round the back of the venue? Some good beers on in there.
I so did! Good little night was that.

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Post by Bfcboyo » Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:06 pm

Renamed the Revelations.

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Post by tim_noone » Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:40 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:51 pm
No Genesis without Gabriel!
No music thread without Hampstead! RIP Lad.

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Post by Hipper » Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:02 am

icu81b4 wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:00 pm
Knowing his character I'm sure Gordon would have been pulling his leg. It was him and B.J.Cole who I saw at Morgan Studios that turned me onto pedal steel. Have you tried to play one? Very easy to make it sound like three guitars out of tune!

I played pedal steel on this track last month for some mates. :)

https://youtu.be/5CM-Slpddy0
Nicely understated which is mostly how I like pedal steel. Perhaps we should start a pedal steel music thread. We did one once on ClaretsMad.

I'm no musician so never tried learning the pedal steel. I read that Jerry Garcia of Greatful Dead said something like 'the pedal steel is so difficult that there isn't time to learn it properly in this life'. So, in my next life amongst other things!

https://www.nodepression.com/jerry-garc ... el-guitar/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPkMuliGqJQ

B J Cole is still active. Last I heard he was doing a regular pub gig playing lightly jazzy stuff.
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Re: Genesis to reunite?

Post by icu81b4 » Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:05 pm

Hipper wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:02 am
Nicely understated which is mostly how I like pedal steel. Perhaps we should start a pedal steel music thread. We did one once on ClaretsMad.

I'm no musician so never tried learning the pedal steel. I read that Jerry Garcia of Greatful Dead said something like 'the pedal steel is so difficult that there isn't time to learn it properly in this life'. So, in my next life amongst other things!

https://www.nodepression.com/jerry-garc ... el-guitar/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPkMuliGqJQ

B J Cole is still active. Last I heard he was doing a regular pub gig playing lightly jazzy stuff.
Great links , thanks hipper

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Re: Genesis to reunite

Post by Cabbage » Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:14 pm

Can’t bring myself round to spend £186 on a ticket.
Just bought Steve Hackett tickets instead, £46 and Musical Box for next year at £30. Disappointed as Genesis were the first band I saw back in 1981 at Leeds Queens Hall. £5 a ticket then. But I suppose that’s inflation for you!

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Re: Genesis to reunite

Post by Steve1956 » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:35 pm

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Got my tickets today £129 a pop..cant wait

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Re: Genesis to reunite

Post by Bosscat » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:50 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:35 pm
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Got my tickets today £129 a pop..cant wait
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Genesis to reunite

Post by Jeffbfc » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:00 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:35 pm
FB_IMG_1584041576533.jpgGot my tickets today £129 a pop..cant wait
Ecky Thump.
£129 is that all.

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