Juve chairman

[evensteadiereddie]

Andrea Agnelli, believes it is unfair that Atalanta, who finished third in the Italian League last season and qualified for the Champions League while Roma, who were sixth, didn't.
The clown believes that a club with such a great European pedigree such as Roma should always take precedence over a relatively unknown club no matter what their finishing position.

"I have very high regards for what Atalanta have done but without European history, with a great performance last year, they have access to international competitition. Is that fair or right ?"

And if you ever needed proof of what this magical "international competition" is based upon, he lets slip the answer ;

"Then Roma has contributed a lot in maintaining Italian ranking. They had one bad season, out ! Which means financial liability."...

Admittedly, our foray into Europe didn't exactly do ourselves nor the Europa League any favours but this bloke seems perfectly serious in his belief.

Mad.

[ClaretAndJew]

History is meaningless.

[conyoviejo]

Another deluded Eyetie.. Has he caught a strong dose of the Corona virus?

[Spiral]

This dovetails with the article posted on here a few weeks ago about football finance. It seems as though commerce increasingly taking precedence over sport has created a mentality where the clubs at the top want to pull the ladder up and bank their lofty positions. Football would die without the ability for clubs to ascend or fall on their arse and this constant threat to try and legislate against it will not go away. As pretentious and self-important as it sounds, it's our responsibility as football fans to drum it into younger fans that this is not acceptable. A 10 year-old today has a totally different experience with football than most of us did at the same age, where FIFA ultimate team and Instagram posts are as much a component of their fandom as the games itself. Football is entertaining (theoretically!), but it's primarily a sport, not an entertainment 'product'.

[Chester Perry]

All part of his ongoing agenda that has been documented extensively on the Magic Money Tree thread (including the op's quote from yesterday) - it is what got those coefficient ranking payments into the Champions League money distribution and what is behind his closed shop thinking for the European Club competitions post 2024 which includes promotion/relegation between the cup competitions

- from a pure business perspective you can understand the thinking - Roma's earnings are significantly down this season after a period of extensive stability of earnings (and therefore costs) resulting from regular league success and European Champions League participation - it means they are likely to post a big loss this season which could affect them making UEAFA FFP, alternatively they would have to cut back on their playing staff - neither of which is conducive to ongoing development

[Stayingup]

This is the guy who is allegedly the ring leader in getting Man City kicked out of Europe. They 'new' money disturbed the old order. They must have been waiting for any opportunity to do this to City, who fell right into the trap.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

Wouldn't expect anything less from the chairman of that cheating shithouse of a club

[Devils_Advocate]

I dont think there's an argument that promotion, relegation, qualification etc should be based purely on merit but when you see the way a club like ours treated European competition the other year you can understand why the people of his ilk get frustrated and hold the opinion they do

[evensteadiereddie]

True but on the other hand, Atalanta are doing really well - so far.

[Chester Perry]

This is the guy who is allegedly the ring leader in getting Man City kicked out of Europe. They 'new' money disturbed the old order. They must have been waiting for any opportunity to do this to City, who fell right into the trap.

Let's be quite clear about this - Man City got themselves kicked out of Europe - they accepted the rules (and previously agreed to a prior punishment under them to confirm that) then they systematically sought to break them for their own benefit, becoming downright nasty and obstructive when they were caught and have displayed zero levels of contrition. All of which is what they have been punished for.

At no time have Man City sought to seek a change in the rules, or get involved in the diplomacy of football the way that PSG have to influence the games direction - they have just threatened to bully their way into what they want

- Again this has all been extensively documented on the Magic Money Tree thread

[Spiral]

I dont think there's an argument that promotion, relegation, qualification etc should be based purely on merit but when you see the way a club like ours treated European competition the other year you can understand why the people of his ilk get frustrated and hold the opinion they do

He doesn't hold the opinion that clubs who don't take the competition seriously should be excluded on the grounds of their attitude towards the tournament (subjective interpretation of our European effort - I'd say we were merely beaten by a decent Olympiakos side over two legs); he holds the opinions he does because, as a club administrator and not a sporting director, his primary interest in the marketable viability of Juventus and the tournaments in which they play. Fundamentally, he's acting out of pure self-interest. His position at Juventus, his livelihood, is determined as much by Juventus' commercial success as it is success on field. Everyone plays a role in such huge economies, whether it be football, manufacturing, healthcare, banking, etc, but it requires strong governance to ensure one person (acting through their role) can't pull too hard in their own direction, bringing the entire economy down. None of this has anything to do with notions such as Burnley's team selection in a qualifier. It's true in spite of smaller clubs' ability (rather, inability) to carry, essentially, two first-team squads.

[Chester Perry]

He doesn't hold the opinion that clubs who don't take the competition seriously should be excluded on the grounds of their attitude towards the tournament (subjective interpretation of our European effort - I'd say we were merely beaten by a decent Olympiakos side over two legs); he holds the opinions he does because, as a club administrator and not a sporting director, his primary interest in the marketable viability of Juventus and the tournaments in which they play. Fundamentally, he's acting out of pure self-interest. His position at Juventus, his livelihood, is determined as much by Juventus' commercial success as at is success on field. Everyone plays a role in such huge economies, whether it be football, manufacturing, healthcare, banking, etc, but it requires strong governance to ensure person (or role) can't pull too hard in their own direction, bringing the entire economy down. None of this has anything to do with notions such as Burnley's team selection in a qualifier. It's true in spite of smaller clubs' ability (rather, inability) to carry, essentially, two first-team squads.

Andrea Agnelli's livelihood does not depend on Juventus - his family are massively wealthy - they have owned Juventus for generations (they are the Fiat owning dynasty) - each of the Families enterprises are run by one of the cousins - he got Juventus

[Spiral]

His individual wealth is unimportant. If he wants to keep his position at Juventus, he needs to make them commercially successful. I can only assume he isn't doing his job against his will, therefore through his role as chairman he's acting out of self interest.

[jtv]

He is sticking up for Roma so that a precedent can be created whereby should Juve, in a particular season and for any reason, do not qualify on merit they can be included in the money-spinner because of history. Echoes of Gartside the Bolton guy who wanted to make the Premier League a closed shop?

[Foshiznik]

Pretty difficult to have history when you are unable to create it.

[Corky]

Didn't we upset the apple cart a bit, all those years ago, when we got into the Inter Cities Fairs Cup on account of us being a small town?

[Leisure]

but when you see the way a club like ours treated European competition the other year

What, like only losing 1 game out of 6!

[Devils_Advocate]

What, like only losing 1 game out of 6!

Come on now, Man Utd put more effort into the 2000 FA Cup than we did for that game in Turkey

[Aclaret]

Come on now, Man Utd put more effort into the 2000 FA Cup than we did for that game in Turkey

We got a credible draw in Istanbul !

[Devils_Advocate]

We got a credible draw in Istanbul !

Aye and Utd were unbeaten in the FA Cup

[Claret]

Andrea Agnelli, believes it is unfair that Atalanta, who finished third in the Italian League last season and qualified for the Champions League while Roma, who were sixth, didn't.
The clown believes that a club with such a great European pedigree such as Roma should always take precedence over a relatively unknown club no matter what their finishing position.

"I have very high regards for what Atalanta have done but without European history, with a great performance last year, they have access to international competitition. Is that fair or right ?"

And if you ever needed proof of what this magical "international competition" is based upon, he lets slip the answer ;

"Then Roma has contributed a lot in maintaining Italian ranking. They had one bad season, out ! Which means financial liability."...

Admittedly, our foray into Europe didn't exactly do ourselves nor the Europa League any favours but this bloke seems perfectly serious in his belief.

Mad.

OH MY FECKIN GOD.
MADNESS. ABSOLUTE FECKIN MADNESS.
No. I can't think of anything else to add nor another way of putting it.
Madness. Absolute feckin madness.

[evensteadiereddie]

Just imagine if this were to happen - here, particularly. We finish above Arsenal and/or Spurs to qualify for Europe but can't take part because they are "bigger" clubs. They are not bigger on the field where it matters, or should do. The game's finished if we get anywhere near that.
Bloody hell, the dice are loaded in their favour strongly enough already.

[ecc]

Total lack of respect for a club, Atalanta, that does everything the right way. One of the best youth systems in Europe. One of the best managers in Europe. They play attacking football (70 league goals so far).

The Agnelli Family has done more harm than good to Italian football down the years. But some of his ancestors had far more class than him.

[timshorts]

Total lack of respect for a club, Atalanta, that does everything the right way. One of the best youth systems in Europe. One of the best managers in Europe. They play attacking football (70 league goals so far).

The Agnelli Family has done more harm than good to Italian football down the years. But some of his ancestors had far more class than him.

And they do have European history. Merthyr Tydfil beat them at penydarren in the cup winners cup in the days of dai Webley et al. Atalanta got through on away goals, unfortunately.

[Burnley Ace]

Didn't we upset the apple cart a bit, all those years ago, when we got into the Inter Cities Fairs Cup on account of us being a small town?

Wasn’t it because we didn’t have a “Fair” or “Trade Fair” (the one on Fulledge Rec didn’t count!) like, for example, Nottingham?