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Re: Lancashire police with not enough to do...

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:22 pm

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Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:14 pm
It'll be a community concern speed site, so called because the local residents are concerned about the speed of vehicles passing through their village. You said there were no schools or anything... but there was a park. Parks tend to be popular with children.
In fairness the park is along way from the road, there's a recess, a memorial ground, bowling green & a badminton court before you even hit the park, it's a good 300 metres away, I'm in the wrong for speeding & I'll take my punishment accordingly & behave in the future, it's 100% my fault & nobody else's, I'm completely to blame without any doubt, & the speed cameras are there for everybodys safety & no other reason.

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Re: Lancashire police with not enough to do...

Post by The Quattro » Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:47 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:22 pm
In fairness the park is along way from the road, there's a recess, a memorial ground, bowling green & a badminton court before you even hit the park, it's a good 300 metres away, I'm in the wrong for speeding & I'll take my punishment accordingly & behave in the future, it's 100% my fault & nobody else's, I'm completely to blame without any doubt, & the speed cameras are there for everybodys safety & no other reason.
Kids still have to get to and from the park though. I've come into this quite late on and it's clear that you've made your mind up and I'll never convince you, but I can tell you from experience that investigating a fatal road traffic collision is no fun. I've seen the damage that can be done to a person at speeds as low as 30mph and it's not a pleasant experience at all. Lancashire Police would rather not have to deal with any fatal collisions at all because they're very traumatic for all involved, including responders, and they're eye-wateringly expensive to investigate. That's why they have a policy of education first (such as the speed awareness course) and prosecution for the more serious or serial offenders.

While speeding remains one of the "Fatal 5" it'll be enforced. It's pretty easy to avoid prosecution for it.

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Re: Lancashire police with not enough to do...

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:54 pm

The Quattro wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:47 pm
Kids still have to get to and from the park though. I've come into this quite late on and it's clear that you've made your mind up and I'll never convince you, but I can tell you from experience that investigating a fatal road traffic collision is no fun. I've seen the damage that can be done to a person at speeds as low as 30mph and it's not a pleasant experience at all. Lancashire Police would rather not have to deal with any fatal collisions at all because they're very traumatic for all involved, including responders, and they're eye-wateringly expensive to investigate. That's why they have a policy of education first (such as the speed awareness course) and prosecution for the more serious or serial offenders.

While speeding remains one of the "Fatal 5" it'll be enforced. It's pretty easy to avoid prosecution for it.
I'm well & truelly convinced that particular afternoon I could have potentially caused a serious accident with a devastating aftermath, even though the park is a distance away it's more than possible a child crossing the road could have been hit. I'm looking forward to the speed awareness course & the education it offers, & I'm sure the Lancashire police force hold such matters very seriously in terms of improving road safety & dread dealing with RTAs.

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Post by The Quattro » Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:02 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:54 pm
I'm well & truelly convinced that particular afternoon I could have potentially caused a serious accident with a devastating aftermath, even though the park is a distance away it's more than possible a child crossing the road could have been hit. I'm looking forward to the speed awareness course & the education it offers, & I'm sure the Lancashire police force hold such matters very seriously in terms of improving road safety & dread dealing with RTAs.
Well, I wasn't going to say it but what the hell... If you were as good a driver as you clearly think you are, you might have seen the world's most obvious yellow and blue high top Ford Transit van at the side of the road. Sounds like you might get some benefit out of your impending speed awareness course. Slow down and open your eyes. :lol:
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Post by TVC15 » Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:07 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:54 pm
I'm well & truelly convinced that particular afternoon I could have potentially caused a serious accident with a devastating aftermath, even though the park is a distance away it's more than possible a child crossing the road could have been hit. I'm looking forward to the speed awareness course & the education it offers, & I'm sure the Lancashire police force hold such matters very seriously in terms of improving road safety & dread dealing with RTAs.
You never did have that drink of water did you ?
You’ve been an absolute embarrassment on this thread.
You certainly would never have the bottle to say the stuff you have to the police....or on your course.
But eh you’ve never had an accident in 20 years so you must be right.
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Re: Lancashire police with not enough to do...

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:08 am

The Quattro wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:02 am
Well, I wasn't going to say it but what the hell... If you were as good a driver as you clearly think you are, you might have seen the world's most obvious yellow and blue high top Ford Transit van at the side of the road. Sounds like you might get some benefit out of your impending speed awareness course. Slow down and open your eyes. :lol:
Yes that's true i've plenty of learn that's for sure, the speed cameras are there for everybodys safety & no other reason, & yes I need to slow down & concentrate at all times for any hazards, after the course I'll post a update on what I've learnt, it's a 4hr course so I'm expecting it will be informative.

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Re: Lancashire police with not enough to do...

Post by The Quattro » Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:14 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:08 am
Yes that's true i've plenty of learn that's for sure, the speed cameras are there for everybodys safety & no other reason, & yes I need to slow down & concentrate at all times for any hazards, after the course I'll post a update on what I've learnt, it's a 4hr course so I'm expecting it will be informative.
You can always ask for the points and fine if you'd rather not waste your four hours...

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Post by Greenmile » Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:16 am

Come on, own up. Who taught Jakub how to be sarcastic instead of engaging with the argument when it’s obvious he’s in the wrong?

Was it you, Moffit? I bet it was.

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Re: Lancashire police with not enough to do...

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:19 am

TVC15 wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:07 am
You never did have that drink of water did you ?
You’ve been an absolute embarrassment on this thread.
You certainly would never have the bottle to say the stuff you have to the police....or on your course.
But eh you’ve never had an accident in 20 years so you must be right.
Yes that's true i've seen the light & I was wrong earlier implying the speed cameras were making money, I apologise I should have realised sooner that the speed cameras sole purpose is to improve road safety, my track record of never having a accident must be down to luck & not good driving.

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Re: Lancashire police with not enough to do...

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:21 am

The Quattro wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:14 am
You can always ask for the points and fine if you'd rather not waste your four hours...
Insurance premiums would rise you'd have to disclose, this way you don't need to tell insurance no way of them finding out.

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Re: Lancashire police with not enough to do...

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:23 am

The Quattro wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:14 am
You can always ask for the points and fine if you'd rather not waste your four hours...
Wouldn't bother with that, he'd only get caught again and be all bitter about getting 6 points in one hit

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Re: Lancashire police with not enough to do...

Post by The Quattro » Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:24 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:21 am
Insurance premiums would rise you'd have to disclose, this way you don't need to tell insurance no way of them finding out.
Ask for a court hearing and plead not guilty then. You're bound to convince the magistrates with your flawless argument and dazzling wit.

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Re: Lancashire police with not enough to do...

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Re: Lancashire police with not enough to do...

Post by The Quattro » Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:24 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:23 am
Wouldn't bother with that, he'd only get caught again and be all bitter about getting 6 points in one hit
True. Still an amazing driver though!

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Re: Lancashire police with not enough to do...

Post by TVC15 » Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:25 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:19 am
Yes that's true i've seen the light & I was wrong earlier implying the speed cameras were making money, I apologise I should have realised sooner that the speed cameras sole purpose is to improve road safety, my track record of never having a accident must be down to luck & not good driving.
Your track record is completely irrelevant and if you are regularly speeding or even if you have only speed occasionally then yes 100% the fact you have not had an accident is statistically proven down to luck.
But you really do sound like the kind of person that if you did cause a serious accident by your speeding you would still insist you were in the right.
Your attitude and sheer arrogance is nothing short of a f’in disgrace tbh.
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Re: Lancashire police with not enough to do...

Post by aggi » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:52 am

This thread reminds me of that study a while ago where something like 90% of drivers thought that they were a better driver then average ...

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Re: Lancashire police with not enough to do...

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:06 am

aggi wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:52 am
This thread reminds me of that study a while ago where something like 90% of drivers thought that they were a better driver then average ...
What determines a good driver is the ability to drive for years & years & within that time covering the length & breadth of the country, god knows how many times over, & never ever encountering a accident, no impact damage I'd say no scratches but you get them with or without impact, it takes more than luck & the ability to anticipate so much, in fairness you can also be a excellent driver & some idiot will crash into you through no fault of your own, so years of no claims or other party fault claims. Insurance renewals are a postcode lottery but years of protected no claims making driving affordable & allows for odd unexpected miscellaneous expenses.

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Re: Lancashire police with not enough to do...

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:31 am

deanothedino wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:18 pm
They probably are, yes. They’re probably all selfish pr1cks like you :lol:
I just wish I was as perfect as you, I've so much to aspire to to reach that goal.

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Post by claretnproud » Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:01 am

Clarets4me wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:56 pm
I was indeed, it's not a gift given to everyone, but whatever ...

Moving on, whilst every road related fatality is a tragedy, we should be thankful that we live in the United Kingdom. For every 100,000 cars on the road, there are 5.7 traffic related deaths every year in this Country. At first sight, this looks shocking but apart from San Marino, and the Nordic Countries of Norway, Sweden and Finland, we're the safest country in the world ... here's some figures based on RTA Deaths/100k cars ..

United Kingdom 5.7
Portugal 11.7
Greece 12.8
U.S.A. 14.2
Romania 31.4
Mexico 43.0
Turkey 46.4
U.A.E. 62.7
India 130.1
South Africa 133.7
Egypt 148.7
Pakistan 283.9
Nigeria 651.4
Bangladesh 1020.6
Somalia 6532.5

Ouch !!
That explains a lot
I often drive through Nelson when going to duke bar. The driving standards in these areas are shocking and are noticeable instantly when entering these areas.

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Post by deanothedino » Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:12 am

aggi wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:52 am
This thread reminds me of that study a while ago where something like 90% of drivers thought that they were a better driver then average ...
Or 90% are just willing to accept their punishment when they get it and get caught?

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Post by Mala591 » Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:44 am

Imo there are many stretches of road where 30 mph is too slow (for modern cars with extremely efficient braking systems) and 40 mph is too fast (pedestrian safety) so why not introduce a new 35 mph speed limit?

It could be called the 'Mala' limit.

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Post by Stayingup » Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:47 am

Blackburn_Claret wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:00 pm
Don't speed. Simple
True but thats not the point is it?
A couple of weeks ago I went past a police camera van at the top of the hill on Newchurch Road in Rossendale. Further down the road and out of sight of where the van was there was another police van. Not a speed monitoring one. Why was he there? To catch anybody who flashed their lights to warn of the camera van I am sure. Thats how many men tied up on this money making scheme?
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Re: Lancashire police with not enough to do...

Post by Top Claret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:48 am

You need eyes in the back of your head when you are driving around the Strangeway / Cheetham Hill districts of Manchester. Bloody awful drivers around those areas, some parts of East Lancashire are nearly has bad

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Re: Lancashire police with not enough to do...

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:52 am

Stayingup wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:47 am
True but thats not the point is it?
A couple of weeks ago I went past a police camera van at the top of the hill on Newchurch Road in Rossendale. Further down the road and out of sight of where the van was there was another police van. Not a speed monitoring one. Why was he there? To catch anybody who flashed their lights to warn of the camera van I am sure. Thats how many men tied up on this money making scheme?
Personally I’ve never really understood why people flash their lights to warn other drivers of speed cameras.

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Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:54 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:52 am
Personally I’ve never really understood why people flash their lights to warn other drivers of speed cameras.
It's driving etiquette, we all return the favour, well I do.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:57 am

Stayingup wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:47 am
True but thats not the point is it?
A couple of weeks ago I went past a police camera van at the top of the hill on Newchurch Road in Rossendale. Further down the road and out of sight of where the van was there was another police van. Not a speed monitoring one. Why was he there? To catch anybody who flashed their lights to warn of the camera van I am sure. Thats how many men tied up on this money making scheme?
You're making an assumption as to why the normal Police van was there to suit your own agenda.

You're the kind of person who would get upset when they see Traffic cops sat waiting on the motorway for another police van/car to tell them when untaxed/uninsured or speeding cars are coming down the motorways.
I've seen them do that a lot and I think its pretty good.

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Re: Lancashire police with not enough to do...

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:02 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:54 am
It's driving etiquette, we all return the favour, well I do.
It’s not driving etiquette, it’s illegal.

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Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:06 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:02 am
It’s not driving etiquette, it’s illegal.
It's common practice to do so, I don't have a problem with it.

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Post by Rileybobs » Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:09 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:06 am
It's common practice to do so, I don't have a problem with it.
Somehow that doesn’t surprise me. How retarded is it to break the law and risk the punishment that entails, to warn other drivers of a speed van. Utterly stupid. Not only that, you’re preventing the very police officers who you claim are wasting their time from doing their jobs, in effect making them waste their time further.

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Post by TVC15 » Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:16 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:06 am
It's common practice to do so, I don't have a problem with it.
What other illegal acts / crimes would you warn people not to do if you noticed the police were on their way ? somebody about to rob a house ?
a shoplifter ?
a mugging ?

Or is it just speeding ?
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Post by Blackburn_Claret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:08 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:47 am
True but thats not the point is it?
A couple of weeks ago I went past a police camera van at the top of the hill on Newchurch Road in Rossendale. Further down the road and out of sight of where the van was there was another police van. Not a speed monitoring one. Why was he there? To catch anybody who flashed their lights to warn of the camera van I am sure. Thats how many men tied up on this money making scheme?
I don't speed and i don't flash my lights to warn others that are speeding to slow down. They want to speed they can face the consequences and those who flash should also get some kind of warning so no sympathy

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Post by ClaretAndJew » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:10 pm

OI MISTER MUGGER DON'T MUG THAT BLOKE, THE COPS ARE ROUND THE CORNER!

"Thanks for the heads up, lad"
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Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:41 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:16 am
What other illegal acts / crimes would you warn people not to do if you noticed the police were on their way ? somebody about to rob a house ?
a shoplifter ?
a mugging ?

Or is it just speeding ?
Every single crime no matter what, I keep all criminals in the loop with my vast network, I use burner mobiles & throwaway Sims & send notifications via SMS.

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Post by Claret Toni » Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:25 pm

Don't wish to be too controversial, but it's not only Lancashire Police, it's also Cheshire and Cumbria Police.

Posting for a friend.

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Post by deanothedino » Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:17 pm

Claret Toni wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:25 pm
Don't wish to be too controversial, but it's not only Lancashire Police, it's also Cheshire and Cumbria Police.

Posting for a friend.
It’ll be every force in the country because they are literally doing their job :lol:

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Post by dsr » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:40 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:20 pm
The only reason speed cameras generate money is because people break the speed limit, usually willingly, but also because they aren't driving with due care and attention so they drift over the speed limit which is easy enough to do.
There's more to it than "driving without due care". For example, if you are on the road to Liverpool docks, on a dual carriageway with a 40 mph limit and it;s dark and raining with cars parked on the left hand lane but few pedestrians about, and the limit is 40 mph and you're doing 35 mph and fail to see the single 30 mph sign just before the speed camera - it's a stretch to call that "without due care and attention". Why do they reduce the limit to 30 mph for just one block before putting it back up to 40 mph? If it's because it's a deadly dangerous stretch of road, they ought to put up BIG signs saying so.

Or there was the Grane Road scam (a fair few years ago now). Grane Road had been 40 mph for years, and was cut to 30 mph. Was it because it had been decided that 40 mph was dangerous? Yes, it was. Did the police put up BIG signs to say this road is dangerous, the new speed limit is 30 mph, speed kills, etc? No. Did they simply remove the 40 mph sign, leaving the only indication of the new speed limit to be the absence of a sign where there had been one before, and hide round the corner collectiong as many speed fines as they could? Yes, they did. For one thing, I wouldn't call that "driving without due care and attentioon"; for another, how corrupt is it for the police to know that a road is dangerous and to know that people will unwittingly be driving too fast and to refuse to tell them because they want the money, not the road safety?

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Post by Clarets4me » Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:19 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:02 am
It’s not driving etiquette, it’s illegal.
Not according to Lancashire Police, on a recent Facebook page !

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Post by dsr » Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:23 am

I don't know how much the law has been updated, but I believe the AA's was set up in the first place, early in the 1900's, to warn their members of speed traps. The patrolmen would take position ahead of the police speed trap and wave at drivers with the AA badge on the front, to tell them to slow down.

Here's the crucial bit - it was decided in court that this was illegal and the AA men were not allowed to warn moving vehicles of speed traps.

And that's when they changed tack. They brought in the saluting policy. An AA man would always salute a car with the AA symbol on the front; and if he didn't salute, then you could stop and ask him why not. And then, when you were stationary, he could legally warn you about the speed trap!

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Post by TsarBomba » Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:16 am

dsr wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:40 am
There's more to it than "driving without due care". For example, if you are on the road to Liverpool docks, on a dual carriageway with a 40 mph limit and it;s dark and raining with cars parked on the left hand lane but few pedestrians about, and the limit is 40 mph and you're doing 35 mph and fail to see the single 30 mph sign just before the speed camera - it's a stretch to call that "without due care and attention". Why do they reduce the limit to 30 mph for just one block before putting it back up to 40 mph? If it's because it's a deadly dangerous stretch of road, they ought to put up BIG signs saying so.

Or there was the Grane Road scam (a fair few years ago now). Grane Road had been 40 mph for years, and was cut to 30 mph. Was it because it had been decided that 40 mph was dangerous? Yes, it was. Did the police put up BIG signs to say this road is dangerous, the new speed limit is 30 mph, speed kills, etc? No. Did they simply remove the 40 mph sign, leaving the only indication of the new speed limit to be the absence of a sign where there had been one before, and hide round the corner collectiong as many speed fines as they could? Yes, they did. For one thing, I wouldn't call that "driving without due care and attentioon"; for another, how corrupt is it for the police to know that a road is dangerous and to know that people will unwittingly be driving too fast and to refuse to tell them because they want the money, not the road safety?
Police aren’t responsible for signage.

It always makes me smile when I read that fines for traffic offences are seen as a great money making scheme by the Police.

Firstly, the money doesn’t go to the Police. And secondly, the CJS is cumbersome and inefficient. If I administer a ticket at the roadside for a traffic offence, by the time this is processed, there has actually been a loss not a profit.

Vehicle stop, checks, roadside interview, administering ticket, statement.. if there’s a summons to court, then that’s also file to be prepared and a court hearing with all the related costs.

Not quite the money making scheme you seem to think it is.

Edit- The locations of where speed vans will be is posted online beforehand too.

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Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:59 am

TsarBomba wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:16 am
Police aren’t responsible for signage.

It always makes me smile when I read that fines for traffic offences are seen as a great money making scheme by the Police.

Firstly, the money doesn’t go to the Police. And secondly, the CJS is cumbersome and inefficient. If I administer a ticket at the roadside for a traffic offence, by the time this is processed, there has actually been a loss not a profit.

Vehicle stop, checks, roadside interview, administering ticket, statement.. if there’s a summons to court, then that’s also file to be prepared and a court hearing with all the related costs.

Not quite the money making scheme you seem to think it is.

Edit- The locations of where speed vans will be is posted online beforehand too.
In the event of a summons the costs are recoverable by the defendant, every expense initially incurred will be more than handsomely recovered.

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Post by MACCA » Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:12 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:59 pm
The simple fact is, people SEE speed cams etc.. We don't see officers trawling through loads of documents in the hunt for the BIG criminals, as that's all done in stations, behind desks. We've all seen these headline grabbing raids that bring down organised crime gangs. Do you really think that's done without hours and hours of research?
No

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:38 am

dsr wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:40 am
There's more to it than "driving without due care". For example, if you are on the road to Liverpool docks, on a dual carriageway with a 40 mph limit and it;s dark and raining with cars parked on the left hand lane but few pedestrians about, and the limit is 40 mph and you're doing 35 mph and fail to see the single 30 mph sign just before the speed camera - it's a stretch to call that "without due care and attention". Why do they reduce the limit to 30 mph for just one block before putting it back up to 40 mph? If it's because it's a deadly dangerous stretch of road, they ought to put up BIG signs saying so.

Or there was the Grane Road scam (a fair few years ago now). Grane Road had been 40 mph for years, and was cut to 30 mph. Was it because it had been decided that 40 mph was dangerous? Yes, it was. Did the police put up BIG signs to say this road is dangerous, the new speed limit is 30 mph, speed kills, etc? No. Did they simply remove the 40 mph sign, leaving the only indication of the new speed limit to be the absence of a sign where there had been one before, and hide round the corner collectiong as many speed fines as they could? Yes, they did. For one thing, I wouldn't call that "driving without due care and attentioon"; for another, how corrupt is it for the police to know that a road is dangerous and to know that people will unwittingly be driving too fast and to refuse to tell them because they want the money, not the road safety?
So yes its driving without due care and attention if you fail to see a speed limit sign.
Why should the police be telling anyone what the new speed limits are when they aren't the ones who set the speed limits?
Did you want a letter in the post telling you of any changes?

You're going to be really upset in a few years when all new cars have speed limiters ...

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motori ... -limiters/

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Post by Rileybobs » Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:45 am

Clarets4me wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:19 am
Not according to Lancashire Police, on a recent Facebook page !
Not sure what Lancashire Police put on Facebook but it is illegal to flash and warn other drivers of speed vans.

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Post by dsr » Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:57 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:38 am
So yes its driving without due care and attention if you fail to see a speed limit sign.
Why should the police be telling anyone what the new speed limits are when they aren't the ones who set the speed limits?
Did you want a letter in the post telling you of any changes?

You're going to be really upset in a few years when all new cars have speed limiters ...

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motori ... -limiters/
Read it again. In the Grane Road scam, there wasn't a speed limit sign. The road had been 30 for a distance which then changed to 40; all they did was remove the 40 sign, so the only evidence of the change was the absence of a sign.

Obviously it's a fair point that if you have driven past a 40mph sign a thousand times before, you still need to look at it every time you pass just to make sure it hasn't been moved. But I very much doubt that failing to spot the non-existent sign would be enough to be considered "driving without due care and attention".

It's scarcely relevant who was responsible for what. The fair, reasonable, and above all safe thing to do would be to explain loud and clear that it is not safe to drive at 40 on that road, and therefore is not legal, and make sure people know about it.

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Post by Tall Paul » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:03 am

They don't use signs for 30 mph speed limits, the absence of signs is the loud and clear explanation of the 30 mph speed limit.

I learnt this on.my speed awareness course.

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Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:07 am

dsr wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:57 am
Read it again. In the Grane Road scam, there wasn't a speed limit sign. The road had been 30 for a distance which then changed to 40; all they did was remove the 40 sign, so the only evidence of the change was the absence of a sign.

Obviously it's a fair point that if you have driven past a 40mph sign a thousand times before, you still need to look at it every time you pass just to make sure it hasn't been moved. But I very much doubt that failing to spot the non-existent sign would be enough to be considered "driving without due care and attention".

It's scarcely relevant who was responsible for what. The fair, reasonable, and above all safe thing to do would be to explain loud and clear that it is not safe to drive at 40 on that road, and therefore is not legal, and make sure people know about it.
Agree, & regarding the signage if it's not the police's job & the highways job & the speed limits are changing, surely between the both of them they should be some sort of action to make people aware, after all road safety is the upmost concern. Seems to be passing the book & no communication between them.

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Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:24 am

Tall Paul wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:03 am
They don't use signs for 30 mph speed limits, the absence of signs is the loud and clear explanation of the 30 mph speed limit.

I learnt this on.my speed awareness course.
I guess I'll be learning that on mine, armed with that knowledge prior some people could be saving themselves £80 or a fixed penalty & 3pts & just looking at a sign, I know which is the easiest & most cost effective for the motorist than paying £80 for the privilege of learning that.

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Post by Billy Balfour » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:46 am

Tall Paul wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:03 am
They don't use signs for 30 mph speed limits, the absence of signs is the loud and clear explanation of the 30 mph speed limit.
This.

Some people need to be handheld even when driving their cars and they're usually the first ones to bang on about the nanny state.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:30 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:07 am
Agree, & regarding the signage if it's not the police's job & the highways job & the speed limits are changing, surely between the both of them they should be some sort of action to make people aware, after all road safety is the upmost concern. Seems to be passing the book & no communication between them.
How would you propose they raise awareness?

A leaflet campaign?
6 month advance notice on the road itself?
Highway safety tv and radio advertising?

It wouldn't matter what they did, someone would still get caught out and blame everyone else for it.
If you dont spot the speed limit sign then it's your own fault.

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Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:40 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:30 am
How would you propose they raise awareness?

A leaflet campaign?
6 month advance notice on the road itself?
Highway safety tv and radio advertising?

It wouldn't matter what they did, someone would still get caught out and blame everyone else for it.
If you dont spot the speed limit sign then it's your own fault.
Raising awareness - I don't think you can beat a good old fashioned sign where everybody knows where they stand, as it's been mentioned some of the 30s have disappeared & in the absence you presume it's a 30, when I learnt years ago the rule of thumb was if it's a built up residential area it's a 30 but even some of them are 40 now, yes I agree it's our own faults if we miss the signs, but in some cases as mentioned signs don't exist. Call me old fashioned I think signs everywhere would increase road safety & minimise the road safety offences, some people seem to be guessing now, if it doesn't change I think eventually more accidents will occur because when driving we'll all be looking at & concentrating on the Speedos that much & nothing else happening on the road.

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