Ben Mee

[Turftalkers mentor]

Without doubt consistenly the best defender in the Premier League

[Targetman]

Who’s pulling our captain apart? All I've said is that the penalty he gifted was poor, which you agree with, and that he'll never be a England international. That's it, that's all I've said. Why are so many supposedly intelligent blokes going on like women on the rag? (Apologies to any females on here, truth is I've never known women on the rag go on as bad as some on here ).

Well thats not quite all you said!

If so many "intelligent blokes" are disagreeing with your post have you ever thought it might be your fault for writing something like that after such an excellent display from our team?

Just have a think about it.

[Darthlaw]

I remember when we had a run on the scapegoat being the left back, didn't matter who was there, they got the blame for everything apart from the fall of man...

That was hilarious. I think Stephen Jordan was the first in the line. Ben Mee spent time in that hot seat too as I recall, until he moved to CB. Ward broke the curse.

[TsarBomba]

An excellent team performance.

We played a team that got to a CL final last season off the park.

And yet some still choose to criticise and pick fault. Unbelievable.

[No Ney Never]

...scapegoats....some fans just cant help themselves....blah..blah. Copy and paste what others have already posted. Yeah, very original!

Would like those accusing others of scapegoating, and it seams to have become a bandwagon for those who can't think for themselves, to point out where that appears on this thread.

[No Ney Never]

Well thats not quite all you said!

If so many "intelligent blokes" are disagreeing with your post have you ever thought it might be your fault for writing something like that after such an excellent display from our team?

Just have a think about it.

Yes it is what I said.
OP: 'Will never be an England international. Yet again this season, he gifts the opposition'.

[Bosscat]

Why?

Because you should

[Devils_Advocate]

...scapegoats....some fans just cant help themselves....blah..blah. Copy and paste what others have already posted. Yeah, very original!

Would like those accusing others of scapegoating, and it seams to have become a bandwagon for those who can't think for themselves, to point out where that appears on this thread.

I was having a go at the hypocrisy of the poster I quoted having a go at people like you for scapegoating players when under the Coyle and Howe regime he was quite happy to repeatedly have a go at the same 3 or 4 players he didn't like.

Do you understand now?

[Gordaleman]

Yes it is what I said.
OP: 'Will never be an England international. Yet again this season, he gifts the opposition'.

Did you bother to watch the links posted earlier?

https://youtu.be/qGSo2AHXahc

https://youtu.be/7ZVCAqTg2og

Thought not.

[Bosscat]

He's ruined my weekend

Thats not a nice thing to say about

No Nay Never

[No Ney Never]

I was having a go at the hypocrisy of the poster I quoted having a go at people like you for scapegoating players when under the Coyle and Howe regime he was quite happy to repeatedly have a go at the same 3 or 4 players he didn't like.

Do you understand now?

Yep.

[NewClaret]

When you watch it back, that goal is as much about Taylor getting stuck out of position following a run and pass infield to JRod. He’s usually so good at controlling them but went all Lukaku on us for a second. They hit quickly and chose to expose the left side knowing Charlie was out of position. Fair enough, well done.

Point being that would not have been a pen and we’d be discussing another outstanding defensive display from Mee had Taylor/JRod done better in the build up.

[No Ney Never]

Did you bother to watch the links posted earlier?

https://youtu.be/qGSo2AHXahc

https://youtu.be/7ZVCAqTg2og

Thought not.

Why would I need to watch the links? Do they show that his 'challenge' that gave away the penalty yesterday wasn't p1ss poor?

[SalisburyClaret]

Ben has given away at least 3 more penalties than any of his colleagues

[Gordaleman]

Why would I need to watch the links? Do they show that his 'challenge' that gave away the penalty yesterday wasn't p1ss poor?

No, but it might make you put it in a little more perspective, though I doubt it.

Don't forget, if JayRod and Taylor hadn't f*cked up seconds earlier, then Ben wouldn't have been put in the position he was. Why aren't you blaming them?

[No Ney Never]

When you watch it back, that goal is as much about Taylor getting stuck out of position following a run and pass infield to JRod. He’s usually so good at controlling them but went all Lukaku on us for a second. They hit quickly and chose to expose the left side knowing Charlie was out of position. Fair enough, well done.

Point being that would not have been a pen and we’d be discussing another outstanding defensive display from Mee had Taylor/JRod done better in the build up.

On this occasion, its not the root cause that's the issue, it's how it was dealt with.
Quickenthetempo posted this further up the thread, pretty much suggests what Mee should have done instead of the p1ss poor attempt that he made at dealing with it.
'It was a shocking tackle and he will know it. In slow motion so the Spurs player had plenty of time to find a little contact.
He should either go for the block or run on the angle to slow the Spurs player down'.

[tim_noone]

Why would I need to watch the links? Do they show that his 'challenge' that gave away the penalty yesterday wasn't p1ss poor?

Wasnt p!ss poor at all.

[No Ney Never]

No, but it might make you put it in a little more perspective, though I doubt it.

Don't forget, if JayRod and Taylor hadn't f*cked up seconds earlier, then Ben wouldn't have been put in the position he was. Why aren't you blaming them?

Doesn't need perspective, I've seen enough of Mee since he joined the club. Are you incapable of discussing an incident in an individual match without bringing up the history of BFC since 1882? Try using logic instead of getting emotional.

[No Ney Never]

Wasnt p!ss poor at all.

Oh yes it was
"He's behind you"

[Jakubclaret]

Wasnt p!ss poor at all.

The schlupp header will take some beating, yesterday wasn't as bad.

[boatshed bill]

As for Ben Mee, he misjudged a tackle having been left in a sh*t position by others but according to you it was a ridiculous tackle. What was he supposed to do, let him stroll through and score without even trying to stop him? Richard Head.

Unfortunately, when we are not given time to get back into our defensive shape we are still vulnerable at the back. Ben Mee will often be the player trying to stop breakaway goals, it goes with the territory.
Not the best bit of defending you'll ever see, but people should just get over it, it happens, and has much to do with us not having a "sitting" midfielder.

[RingoMcCartney]

Doesn't need perspective, I've seen enough of Mee since he joined the club. Are you incapable of discussing an incident in an individual match without bringing up the history of BFC since 1882? Try using logic instead of getting emotional.

Try listening to your own advice.

[IanMcL]

He was excellent yesterday, again.

One interception missed in the box and Lamela held his leg three to get a touch for the pen. Would have simple to just carry on and shoot.

Cheats by nature. Prem league refs and VAR too weak on these things.

[Gordaleman]

Doesn't need perspective, I've seen enough of Mee since he joined the club. Are you incapable of discussing an incident in an individual match without bringing up the history of BFC since 1882? Try using logic instead of getting emotional.

It's getting more and more difficult to defend yourself, isn't it. 90% of the responses on here support Ben Mee and criticise YOU for having a go at him. Yet you still go on and on and on. Give it up son, you've lost.

[TVC15]

Was a definite penalty and not a great challenge at all. But other than that he had a very good game.
Mee does make mistakes - pretty much like most defenders do in this league many of which cost a hell of a lot more than Mee did. I’ve got a tiny inkling that it might be something to do with the fact they are playing against very good attackers most weeks.

Mee has been a brilliant player for the club - especially considering we got him for virtually nothing.

PS - I love how it’s being pointed out how he should have made the challenge yesterday - probably from a 22 stone bloke who struggles to tackle a flight of stairs.

[Bosscat]

Was a definite penalty and not a great challenge at all. But other than that he had a very good game.
Mee does make mistakes - pretty much like most defenders do in this league many of which cost a hell of a lot more than Mee did. I’ve got a tiny inkling that it might be something to do with the fact they are playing against very good attackers most weeks.

Mee has been a brilliant player for the club - especially considering we got him for virtually nothing.

PS - I love how it’s being pointed out how he should have made the challenge yesterday - probably from a 22 stone bloke who struggles to tackle a flight of stairs.

cracker

[Quickenthetempo]

Was a definite penalty and not a great challenge at all. But other than that he had a very good game.
Mee does make mistakes - pretty much like most defenders do in this league many of which cost a hell of a lot more than Mee did. I’ve got a tiny inkling that it might be something to do with the fact they are playing against very good attackers most weeks.

Mee has been a brilliant player for the club - especially considering we got him for virtually nothing.

PS - I love how it’s being pointed out how he should have made the challenge yesterday - probably from a 22 stone bloke who struggles to tackle a flight of stairs.

Why should it matter what shape a poster on a messageboard is in? A place people come to discuss what happened in the game they paid to watch?

P.S I don't think anyone on here is quick enough or good enough to play premier league football so shut it down.

[Woodleyclaret]

Jay Rod lost the ball going forward onbtge centre circle and when it broke non of the cm attempted to win the ball as it was played forward
Charlie had pushed up and was out position and Ben had to do his best under duress to win the ball cleanly
It was a pen but again our lack of steel in midfield was exposed

[Spike]

I love Ben Mee for his skill , his bravery and his commitment

We all make mistakes especially those hanging him out to dry on this thread

[TVC15]

Why should it matter what shape a poster on a messageboard is in? A place people come to discuss what happened in the game they paid to watch?

P.S I don't think anyone on here is quick enough or good enough to play premier league football so shut it down.

Ok - it was a joke but since you raised it the poster who is very unlikely to be qualified to do so was being quite specific as to what Ben Mee should have done.
But of course they are entitled to the opinion just like I am entitled to my opinion that they do not have neither the knowledge or experience to provide a technical view like that on how to tackle.

Hope that’s all ok with you.

[dsr]

Apart from anything else, I didn't think it was a penalty. Remember, the laws of the game still say that the penalty is for tripping an opponent. The laws do not say that the penalty is for touching an opponent - no, not even when that opponent chooses to throw himself to the floor.

One foot was touched. The other foot landed in the normal running action. The first foot was apporaching the ground in the normal running action, when the player suddenly lifted it again so it didn't land normally and he rolled over. Now, if Ben Mee's action was of the type to mean that two steps later the foot he touched suddenly twitched, then fair enough, it's a foul. But if Ben Mee didn't trip him and he fell over purely because he wanted to, it's not a foul.

Or of course, if it is to be assumed that touching any player is an offence in itself, then it might be worth VAR looking at the Wood penalty claim and trying from all angles to see if he was touched. It's my opinion that he was, and I don't think that will be a controversial view.

[dsr]

As for the criticism of Ben Mee, it's important to realise that there are two reasons why Burnley FC are tenth in the Premier League. One is because we have players good enough to put us above all but 9 teams in the League. The other is that we have players poor enough that there are 9 teams above us in the League. The OP has just decided, after yesterday's performance, that it's important to look at the negatives and look for reasons to knock the men who aren't good enough to get us into the top 9. So be it.

[Tricky Trevor]

Not read the whole thread as we are 3 pages. The mistake wasn’t the tackle, he had to try or Lamela would, most likely, have scored. The mistake was not covering Lamela earlier as Taylor was stranded upfield. His first movement was back to CH but we had 2 on 2 there. He needed a shout to stay wide. Then, most likely, he would have made the tackle.

I hope he is our captain for years to come. He has so much credit in the bank, we can write off the odd blip.

[No Ney Never]

It's getting more and more difficult to defend yourself, isn't it. 90% of the responses on here support Ben Mee and criticise YOU for having a go at him. Yet you still go on and on and on. Give it up son, you've lost.

Oh dear, now you're going for the 'I'm with this lot' mentality to save your blushes.
You've even got the 90% wrong. Including myself, I'd say its near 100% on here support Ben Mee.
That's not the issue though is it? and why you and many others have made a bit of a t1t of yourselves by going overboard with the 'don't criticise Ben Mee because he's been so good for our club' stance.
All that's obvious to me, is that the 90% you've made up, are incapable of separating out and discussing a single issue without getting your knickers in a twist.

[Bosscat]

Oh dear, now you're going for the 'I'm with this lot' mentality to save your blushes.
You've even got the 90% wrong. Including myself, I'd say its near 100% on here support Ben Mee.
That's not the issue though is it? and why you and many others have made a bit of a t1t of yourselves by going overboard with the 'don't criticise Ben Mee because he's been so good for our club' stance.
All that's obvious to me, is that the 90% you've made up, are incapable of separating out and discussing a single issue without getting your knickers in a twist.

How many ID's do you have on here ?

https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboa ... 2#p1226192

[No Ney Never]

How many ID's do you have on here ?

https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboa ... 2#p1226192

Just the one.

[Sarum]

Inevitably, we're focusing mainly on the mis-timed tackle that led to the penalty.

But take a look at what Ben decides to do as Spurs take possession and break forward: Charlie's galloped upfield for an overlap that breaks down due to Jay's heavy first touch. Initially Ben appears to have moved over to the left to cover Charlie's absence, but then as Spurs break through the middle he decides to race back towards the centre of our defence. Whether that was really necessary I'm not sure, but with Charlie way out of position Spurs switch the ball right to Lamela whose raced into the gap. Ben then has to race back over to the left to catch up with him, but by then he's half a yard too late to make a last-ditch tackle successfully. It's unfortunate, but it's what happens sometimes. The majority of the time, and in the majority of games, he's a very dependable defender with more strengths than weaknesses.

[Claret Toni]

To me no question Ben was at fault for a poor challenge, but he got on with game and put in an otherwise commanding performance; so he didn't let it affect his performance later in the game which is good.

Now let's consider a couple of other errors:

1. Eric Dier heads out DM's cross. It's not the most powerful header and the direction is poor. Of course Eric Dier is an England International.

2. Hugo Lloris fails to hold Jay Rods shot and Chris Wood bundles the ball over the line. Of course Hugo LLoris is a World Cup winner.

Just saying lets get a bit of perspective here, the lads are giving us the opportunity of watching them playing in the best league in the world. Mistakes will happen and be punished, but Ben Mee is good enough to come back and doesn't deserve to be harangued about it.

[Bosscat]

Ben may have made an error that cost us 2 points ....

Ederson just handed Liverpool a title and Utd a Double with 2 absolute howlers...

https://theunionjournal.com/manchester- ... ball-news/

[Gordaleman]

It was a qualifier so a ‘competitive’ game.

He has to play in them before he can play in a World Cup final......that’s how it works!

As for Richard Head, grow up you prick!

OK, Dick Head.

[JimmyRobbo]

He doesn't fit the stereotype they seem to want.

I'm very happy for that. It's why he's been here for so long. Otherwise, he'd have been off like Kean and Shackell (after his decent season in the Prem).

He makes the odd mistake like all defenders do. Did you see VVD against Watford last weekend?

[Bigvince]

He’s ok Ben Mee, but he’s no Mark Winstanley

[Bigvince]

I can’t believe he’s getting slagged off, over the last few years he’s been one of our most consistent performers

[JTClaret]

Ben Mee has been and is a fantastic player for us.
Though he often seems to be the player that gives away 'costly' mistakes... he's been unfortunate with many, but today he was never going to get it - I think he was almost surprised he slide as far as he did.

[IanMcL]

Ben Mee, Ben Mee, Ben Mee, Ben Mee, Ben Mee