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Self isolation

Post by Claret32yrs » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:00 am

Both myself and my better half are contracted but are weekly paid, which means we don't fall into the 'salaried' structure at work. They get full pay. I thought I read somewhere that if an entire company had to close then everyone would be entitled to full pay. I know the government has said SSP is from day one for self isolation but realistically if there was a lock down like in Italy would we be entitled to full pay? Or SSP? Any legal eagles on here? We're no panic buyers or not even panicking about the virus really, but with bills to pay it'd be nice if there was some clarity on what people, not just us; could expect. Whichever way you look at it. SSP is less than our wages. Is anyone up to date on the legalities? Thanks.

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Re: Self isolation

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:14 am

Unless it's in your contract the company are under no obligation to pay full sick pay so you'd be looking at SSP, incidents like this will be discretional regarding employer to employer, if you are in a union they'd advise further on employment law & may be able to help they'd at the least advise you on your rights.

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Re: Self isolation

Post by Claret32yrs » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:25 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:14 am
Unless it's in your contract the company are under no obligation to pay full sick pay so you'd be looking at SSP, incidents like this will be discretional regarding employer to employer, if you are in a union they'd advise further on employment law & may be able to help they'd at the least advise you on your rights.
Thanks for that Jakub. Sadly our company are notoriously bad at looking after their staff. Hence was wondering if anyone knew if this virus would effect that. I guess time will tell but have a feeling, knowing our company. We'll be struggling if it happens here. They really are not geared to looking after their employees.

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Re: Self isolation

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:29 am

Claret32yrs wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:25 am
Thanks for that Jakub. Sadly our company are notoriously bad at looking after their staff. Hence was wondering if anyone knew if this virus would effect that. I guess time will tell but have a feeling, knowing our company. We'll be struggling if it happens here. They really are not geared to looking after their employees.
Doesn't surprise me, I think if the worst happened lots of us would be in the same boat & disappointed, some companies just can't afford to pay for things like this & are under no legal obligation to do so.

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Re: Self isolation

Post by thatdberight » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:36 am

There are no additional rights or entitlements announced other than the SSP enhancement.

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Re: Self isolation

Post by Bfcboyo » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:37 am

I will be hiding any symptoms should I get any and carrying on as normal.

A politician earning over 100k a year and the rest isn't going to tell me I will only be able to claim ssp.
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Re: Self isolation

Post by Claret32yrs » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:39 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:29 am
Doesn't surprise me, I think if the worst happened lots of us would be in the same boat & disappointed, some companies just can't afford to pay for things like this & are under no legal obligation to do so.
They're a well known brand in Supermarkets frozen food aisles. They turn a whopping profit every year. Won't mention their name but! They can afford it. They're just tight arses :lol: Suffice to say. They used to offer Christmas week off to the employees, which would work out at usual pay for a week. They decided to give us all a lump of roast beef for Christmas and said 'See you on the 27th December'. Scrooge is alive and well :lol:

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Re: Self isolation

Post by Holtyclaret » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:44 am

I was turned away from work yesterday as Unipart who I work for have decided that anyone who has travelled through cat one and cat two countries must ‘self isolate’ for 14 days. I’m showing no symptoms and worked all last week since arriving home from Auckland, via transit in Singapore. I’ve been told I’d only get ssp for this week.

Seems a right jip as unipart are going above and beyond official advice to protect its workforce, their decision entirely and its seems a little unfair that I won’t receive my basic salary at least.

On a plus side I’ll be off fishing for a couple of days but unfortunately this doesn’t pay my bills.

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Re: Self isolation

Post by Claret32yrs » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:56 am

Holtyclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:44 am
I was turned away from work yesterday as Unipart who I work for have decided that anyone who has travelled through cat one and cat two countries must ‘self isolate’ for 14 days. I’m showing no symptoms and worked all last week since arriving home from Auckland, via transit in Singapore. I’ve been told I’d only get ssp for this week.

Seems a right jip as unipart are going above and beyond official advice to protect its workforce, their decision entirely and its seems a little unfair that I won’t receive my basic salary at least.

On a plus side I’ll be off fishing for a couple of days but unfortunately this doesn’t pay my bills.
That's an odd one. Our company pays sick salaried employees full whack. Contracted weekly employees only get SSP. I'm with you. Weather permitting, if we do have to self isolate, we can work on the garden but it don't pay the bills.
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Re: Self isolation

Post by Holtyclaret » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:15 am

Annoyingly I could have kept my mouth shut but thought I was doing the right thing.

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Re: Self isolation

Post by thatdberight » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:29 am

Holtyclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:15 am
Annoyingly I could have kept my mouth shut but thought I was doing the right thing.
You'll know you did the right thing and that may be reward in itself but slightly pointless overall since there will be some who are so desperate they do the wrong thing and plenty who do the wrong thing for less understandable reasons.

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Re: Self isolation

Post by CardyTheClaret » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:35 am

Claret32yrs wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:39 am
They're a well known brand in Supermarkets frozen food aisles. They turn a whopping profit every year. Won't mention their name but! They can afford it. They're just tight arses :lol: Suffice to say. They used to offer Christmas week off to the employees, which would work out at usual pay for a week. They decided to give us all a lump of roast beef for Christmas and said 'See you on the 27th December'. Scrooge is alive and well :lol:
Have you ever thought of starting up your own company? You could then be the generous one paying people for not being at work. Just think how good that would make you feel.
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Re: Self isolation

Post by TheFamilyCat » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:41 am

Holtyclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:15 am
Annoyingly I could have kept my mouth shut but thought I was doing the right thing.
Have you got plenty of big roll in? It's amazing how much of it people think they might use in a fortnight.
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Re: Self isolation

Post by IanMcL » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:42 am

Bfcboyo wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:37 am
I will be hiding any symptoms should I get any and carrying on as normal.

A politician earning over 100k a year and the rest isn't going to tell me I will only be able to claim ssp.
Depends how badly the effect.

Not exactly a considerate approach. Hope you don't get something like smallpox! Steer clear of old folk, or maybe you could be done for manslaughter, for knowingly mixing.
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Re: Self isolation

Post by Claret32yrs » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:44 am

CardyTheClaret wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:35 am
Have you ever thought of starting up your own company? You could then be the generous one paying people for not being at work. Just think how good that would make you feel.
I've owned two businesses, both successful. Also been a manager of one separately. One is merely asking what the protocols are in the current climate. I'm of the opinion all the workforce are valued. In this unique situation, who foots the bill and why should people who want to work be turned away and lose money? One is merely questioning what are the legalities of the situation. I wasn't a fan of paying people to have a sickie because they were hungover, but when you're actually being sent home even though you're healthy and losing pay as is the case with Holty. There needs to be clarification. People who want to work are or could potentially be worse off.
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Re: Self isolation

Post by Claretmatt4 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:49 am

I'm currently self isolating, today is day two of working from home. Fortunately I can work remotely without issue so I'll get my full pay.

Feel bad for those who are financially affected, doesn't some form of insurance cover against this?
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Re: Self isolation

Post by Holtyclaret » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:17 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:41 am
Have you got plenty of big roll in? It's amazing how much of it people think they might use in a fortnight.
Haha I’m in perfect health and live alone. I’m sure the 144 rolls I bought at the weekend will suffice.

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Re: Self isolation

Post by BurnleyFC » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:23 am

Bfcboyo wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:37 am
I will be hiding any symptoms should I get any and carrying on as normal.

A politician earning over 100k a year and the rest isn't going to tell me I will only be able to claim ssp.
My thoughts exactly.

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Re: Self isolation

Post by Funkydrummer » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:42 am

Holtyclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:17 am
Haha I’m in perfect health and live alone. I’m sure the 144 rolls I bought at the weekend will suffice.
144 rolls ?

That's gross !!😊😊
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Re: Self isolation

Post by Funkydrummer » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:43 am

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Re: Self isolation

Post by karatekid » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:43 am

self preservation society in Italy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgwa-Wc03RI

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Re: Self isolation

Post by Stayingup » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:22 am

Jon Moss should be isolated.
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Re: Self isolation

Post by tim_noone » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:32 am

Claret32yrs wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:44 am
I've owned two businesses, both successful. Also been a manager of one separately. One is merely asking what the protocols are in the current climate. I'm of the opinion all the workforce are valued. In this unique situation, who foots the bill and why should people who want to work be turned away and lose money? One is merely questioning what are the legalities of the situation. I wasn't a fan of paying people to have a sickie because they were hungover, but when you're actually being sent home even though you're healthy and losing pay as is the case with Holty. There needs to be clarification. People who want to work are or could potentially be worse off.
Workers guaranteed being paid by employers for sickness are in the main Blaggers.. the poorer paid with poor terms and conditions struggle on working while sick.

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Re: Self isolation

Post by turfytopper » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:02 pm

Claret32yrs wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:00 am
Both myself and my better half are contracted but are weekly paid, which means we don't fall into the 'salaried' structure at work. They get full pay. I thought I read somewhere that if an entire company had to close then everyone would be entitled to full pay. I know the government has said SSP is from day one for self isolation but realistically if there was a lock down like in Italy would we be entitled to full pay? Or SSP? Any legal eagles on here? We're no panic buyers or not even panicking about the virus really, but with bills to pay it'd be nice if there was some clarity on what people, not just us; could expect. Whichever way you look at it. SSP is less than our wages. Is anyone up to date on the legalities? Thanks.
Who do work for...your own limited company, an umbrella company or the company where you work?

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Re: Self isolation

Post by NottsClaret » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:14 pm

A couple of banks have already said you can defer mortgage payments if you're affected, I imagine the rest will follow suit.

I'm going to wait to see when these behind closed doors games are going to be on then treat myself to a little self-isolating. Ideally when the weather picks up a bit and I can get in the garden.

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Re: Self isolation

Post by JohnMac » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:42 pm

Our Media continually trot out the phrase 'Working from Home'. but we should know by now that advice is aimed purely at those who sit in an office which everyone in the South does, don't they?

If the Government are sanctioning SSP from Day 1 for self isolating, what about people who are suffering from a regular illness?

With Surgeries directing people not to book an appointment if you think you have Coronavirus I wonder who will be issuing all the sicknotes? I can see the
administration of sickness being a bigger headache than the virus.

Fortunately I retired 4 years ago so I can suffer without the stress of paying bills, well as long as my pension pot stops freefalling :cry:

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Re: Self isolation

Post by IanMcL » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:18 pm

For all the sick notes in the workforce, Christmas keeps on coming!

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Re: Self isolation

Post by Bfcboyo » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:16 pm

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