English football to be played behind closed doors

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:41 pm

Gordaleman wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:37 pm
Sorry, but I can't help it if you don't know the difference.

Anyway, with three Leicester players now in isolation, the measure may well be brought forward. In fact, football may be suspended altogether.

I feel so sorry for the lower league clubs who may well go out of business. Next season's leagues may look very different.

Are you Pike out of Dad’s Army ?

Gordaleman · Post by **Gordaleman** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:43 pm

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:37 pm
Jesus wept! You’ve been filling the Corona thread with exactly that for days/weeks on end . Though of course the thread header is Twitter inspired supposition , I hadn’t realised you’d been sitting on a Cobra meeting all day. Make yourself a hot milky drink and watch Bargain Hunt or something, take deep breaths and relax

Show me where I've speculated. I'm actually trying to stop speculation. If you don't know that, you haven't been reading my comments properly.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:48 pm

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:54 am
In what sense would the club have a liability?
Not that I'm playing down the potential health risks, but it would be my decision whether to attend a football match, (even if advised not to do so), no one would be compelling me to attend.
Has there been mention somewhere of clubs having a risk of liability? (Genuine question, since it could impact on other areas of my social life).

Not heard anything but in todays society litigation is always possible. Wouldn't put it past someone to sue the club if they caught the virus while attending the match, blaming them for organising an event where people could come into contact.

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:52 pm

What will happen for season ticket holders as regards refunds ?
There needs to be a statement from the club re next year as the renewal date is fast approaching.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:56 pm

HOT OFF THE PRESS

This Season's Spot the Ball Competition will be played behind closed doors.

Spot says that it will not be affected by the Corona Virus!

Gordaleman · Post by **Gordaleman** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:12 pm

paulatky wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:52 pm
What will happen for season ticket holders as regards refunds ?
There needs to be a statement from the club re next year as the renewal date is fast approaching.

Why would there be refunds? It's not the club's fault if games are to be played behind closed doors?

You could always try getting the money from the government? Good luck with that one.

I think we'll all just have to take it on the chin.

As for next season? Who knows?

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:18 pm

I wouldn't be surprised at all if they delayed the Euros until next summer now. With the 2022 World Cup not taking place in the summer it buys UEFA a bit of time.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:19 pm

TVC15 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:41 pm
Are you Pike out of Dad’s Army ?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:21 pm

Gordaleman wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:15 pm
Excuse me, I said that the government wasn't thinking of closing stadiums at THIS TIME. I did not say that they were not thinking about it.

I'am not misleading people, I am reporting what was said.

And I'm not?

Claret32yrs · Post by **Claret32yrs** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:26 pm

TVC15 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:41 pm
Are you Pike out of Dad’s Army ?

Has he started calling you 'Uncle Arthur'?

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:26 pm

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:54 am
In what sense would the club have a liability?
Not that I'm playing down the potential health risks, but it would be my decision whether to attend a football match, (even if advised not to do so), no one would be compelling me to attend.
Has there been mention somewhere of clubs having a risk of liability? (Genuine question, since it could impact on other areas of my social life).

They do, it's not really at your own risk, when it's icey across the league's, it's obligatory to grit certain exposed areas, (as a last resort if not postponed) it's public health first & foremost.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:27 pm

Gordaleman wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:12 pm
Why would there be refunds? It's not the club's fault if games are to be played behind closed doors?

You could always try getting the money from the government? Good luck with that one.

I think we'll all just have to take it on the chin.

As for next season? Who knows?

If a contract is frustrated (ie. impossible to perform) through no fault of either buyer or seller, and any money has already changed hands, the person who has got the money and hasn't provided the service has to pay it back.

Unless there are special rules for this virus, of course.

Gordaleman · Post by **Gordaleman** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:28 pm

tim_noone wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:21 pm
And I'm not?

Maybe, but perhaps you should choose more reliable sources?

Anyway, the situation may be about to change with a number of footballers in isolation today, as I said it might.

Gordaleman · Post by **Gordaleman** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:30 pm

dsr wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:27 pm
If a contract is frustrated (ie. impossible to perform) through no fault of either buyer or seller, and any money has already changed hands, the person who has got the money and hasn't provided the service has to pay it back.

Unless there are special rules for this virus, of course.

I'm not a lawyer. Perhaps you are? Either way, I won't be harrassing BFC for a refund. The loss of gate revenue will hurt them enough.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:35 pm

Gordaleman wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:12 pm
Why would there be refunds? It's not the club's fault if games are to be played behind closed doors?

You could always try getting the money from the government? Good luck with that one.

I think we'll all just have to take it on the chin.

As for next season? Who knows?

Because they are not fulfilling their part of the contract which is to allow you to watch the games.
Whether it’s their fault or not is irrelevant I would have thought.
Unless of course the club have built this into the terms and conditions...and even then you would think goodwill would come into play.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:37 pm

TVC15 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:35 pm
Because they are not fulfilling their part of the contract which is to allow you to watch the games.
Whether it’s their fault or not is irrelevant I would have thought.
Unless of course the club have built this into the terms and conditions...and even then you would think Goode ppl would come into play.

Will be something there, circumstances out of our control.

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:37 pm

Sausage wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:21 pm
Never trust a TV salesman.

Excess sales due to impending televised football ?

damo_whitehead · Post by **damo_whitehead** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:38 pm

Scotland advising to cancel all events which have over 500 people in attendance - this isn't to say the same will be in England

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:39 pm

Gordaleman wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:15 pm
Excuse me, I said that the government wasn't thinking of closing stadiums at THIS TIME. I did not say that they were not thinking about it.

I'am not misleading people, I am reporting what was said.

You should know from other threads people don't like facts, they'd rather hear unsubstantiated rubbish.iam with you , stick to facts,not guess work

dibraidio · Post by **dibraidio** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:43 pm

The issue isn't reimbursing season ticket holders, it's the TV money. If the Premier League doesn't fulfill the fixtures and there's no product to sell then what do they do? If they give the money back to the TV companies they can't give it to the clubs but the clubs will still have to pay players wages. ITV digital all over again?

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:46 pm

damo_whitehead wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:38 pm
Scotland advising to cancel all events which have over 500 people in attendance - this isn't to say the same will be in England

But they're not closing schools!!!

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:47 pm

dibraidio wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:43 pm
The issue isn't reimbursing season ticket holders, it's the TV money. If the Premier League doesn't fulfill the fixtures and there's no product to sell then what do they do? If they give the money back to the TV companies they can't give it to the clubs but the clubs will still have to pay players wages. ITV digital all over again?

Surely it would have to be a long shutdown for that to happen?

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:50 pm

Leisure wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:46 pm
But they're not closing schools!!!

Not yet.

damo_whitehead · Post by **damo_whitehead** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:54 pm

Leisure wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:46 pm
But they're not closing schools!!!

That is right, interesting she said they would be closed for an extended period of time (until the start of the new school year by the sounds of it) rather than just a week or 2

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:56 pm

If flights or holidays are cancelled because of government advice you get a refund. Football shouldn't be any different.

Claret32yrs · Post by **Claret32yrs** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:58 pm

I'm no legal expert but read enough legal paperwork to see that infamous 'Act of God' addition. Which could make contracts null and void. I still don't see how stadium bans would make a hill of beans difference. As has been mentioned. PSG was played behind closed doors but they still turned up outside. A more logical and responsible approach, if they were to play behind closed doors would be to offer up broadcasting on all TV Networks for a fixed sum. Allow a trickle down effect of finances for lower league clubs who would suffer. I am sure I read somewhere that TV Revenue largely, if not completely covers Premier League income anyway in regards to fans. I don't know the best way around it but while we're all pretty worried about things. A bit of goodwill and common sense in broadcasting these games to all. May actually, in the long run; work out financially better. Sky/BT being understanding of the situation may lead to an increase long term in their subscriptions. All hypothetical of course. I just think I am equally as likely to get it at the corner shop off someone who hasn't washed their hands as sitting in a group of people who have.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:09 pm

Leisure wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:46 pm
But they're not closing schools!!!

Or most of their football fixtures if 500 is the limit!

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:12 pm

Does anyone know if Quickenthetempo has received his twenty quid yet?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:13 pm

should just postpone the season, can't have footy without the fans

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:35 pm

Season abandoned, so NO title for Liverpool n No Leeds promotion to the premier league!

clean slate n we go again in August.

claret2018 · Post by **claret2018** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:36 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:13 pm
should just postpone the season, can't have footy without the fans

Or players

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc. ... l/51856906

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:49 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:20 pm
My biggest concern is how this will impact the Rate the Ref feature. Years of hard work could be destroyed if we have nobody inside the grounds to give their opinions and scores

Brilliant

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:51 pm

damo_whitehead wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:38 pm
Scotland advising to cancel all events which have over 500 people in attendance - this isn't to say the same will be in England

They'll be able to keep most of the football then.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:59 pm

I'll go the pub anyway, whether they're showing matches or not. You never know when it will be your last pint!!!

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:17 pm

So no plans to ban public gatherings for now.

Guess it’s going to come down to players now and if games are called off because of them.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:19 pm

Dark Cloud wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:59 pm
I'll go the pub anyway, whether they're showing matches or not. You never know when it will be your last pint!!!

You're not planing on catching the Coronavirus? Are you?

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:20 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:17 pm
So no plans to ban public gatherings for now.

Guess it’s going to come down to players now and if games are called off because of them.

I suspect Norwich might have a few "diagnosed" shortly!!!

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:23 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:17 pm
So no plans to ban public gatherings for now.

Guess it’s going to come down to players now and if games are called off because of them.

So, my question on the locked thread has been answered.

It was bullshit.

UnderSeige · Post by **UnderSeige** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:29 pm

PaulAtki wrote:

There needs to be a statement from the club re next year as the renewal date is fast approaching.

I will not be purchasing my season ticket until such a statement. If the rest of this season is cancelled or played behind closed doors, I am prepared to write it off as my loss. However, I don't want to purchase a ticket for next season until I am sure that I will be able to watch a full season's football with it.

The club will most likely need to wait for direction from the higher football authorities who in turn will need to receive direction from the government/WHO. In the meantime, the club could extend the 'early bird period' until such a time when the 'way ahead' becomes clearer.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:38 pm

Firthy wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:19 pm
You're not planing on catching the Coronavirus? Are you?

Nope! I'm almost 62, fit, healthy and carrying on doing absolutely everything I was doing before I'd ever heard of this thing (and that includes washing my hands quite often because I was well brought up and I thought that's what we all did, all the time anyway!) I visit the gym most every day (a real source of all kinds of viruses allegedly) I haven't bought a single item in the supermarket that I wouldn't have bought normally (stockpilers are nothing short of embarrassing imo) I will go to BFC matches as long as there's a match to go to, I go to the pub, I go into cafes, I go out for meals, I go into town, I've barely broken stride and I am absolutely certain that even if I get this thing I'll have a bit of a cough and a cold and I ain't going to die. And if I'm wrong, then it's just tough, but I'm definitely not cowering behind my sofa pooing my undies over it.

BigRedrose · Post by **BigRedrose** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:56 pm

Dark Cloud wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:38 pm
Nope! I'm almost 62, fit, healthy and carrying on doing absolutely everything I was doing before I'd ever heard of this thing (and that includes washing my hands quite often because I was well brought up and I thought that's what we all did, all the time anyway!) I visit the gym most every day (a real source of all kinds of viruses allegedly) I haven't bought a single item in the supermarket that I wouldn't have bought normally (stockpilers are nothing short of embarrassing imo) I will go to BFC matches as long as there's a match to go to, I go to the pub, I go into cafes, I go out for meals, I go into town, I've barely broken stride and I am absolutely certain that even if I get this thing I'll have a bit of a cough and a cold and I ain't going to die. And if I'm wrong, then it's just tough, but I'm definitely not cowering behind my sofa pooing my undies over it.

That's the spirit Dark Cloud, your stoicism is an example to us all in these worrying times. Pity you weren't so positive post match last Saturday evening, when I recall you, 'pooing your undies,' that we were still in danger of relegation!

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:15 pm

BigRedrose wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:56 pm
That's the spirit Dark Cloud, your stoicism is an example to us all in these worrying times. Pity you weren't so positive post match last Saturday evening, when I recall you, 'pooing your undies,' that we were still in danger of relegation!

That's a wholly different matter as our potential relegation has gotta still be statistically more likely than me croaking it from this cheeky micro pest!

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:29 pm

UnderSeige wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:29 pm
PaulAtki wrote:

I will not be purchasing my season ticket until such a statement. If the rest of this season is cancelled or played behind closed doors, I am prepared to write it off as my loss. However, I don't want to purchase a ticket for next season until I am sure that I will be able to watch a full season's football with it.

The club will most likely need to wait for direction from the higher football authorities who in turn will need to receive direction from the government/WHO. In the meantime, the club could extend the 'early bird period' until such a time when the 'way ahead' becomes clearer.

Well I have bought mine ready for next season ....

I would assume if there is no football "next season" then we would all mostly have succumbed to the Armageddon and few hundred quid won't matter a bloody jot.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:31 pm

TVC15 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:41 pm
Are you Pike out of Dad’s Army ?

Don't tell him Gordale oooooops

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:32 pm

Getting serious now,I can see a scenario of football being cancelled all together and the results of this season expunged and we all start again from scratch in August

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:44 pm

Steve1956 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:32 pm
Getting serious now,I can see a scenario of football being cancelled all together and the results of this season expunged and we all start again from scratch in August

I can't see that tbh Steve but.... never say never

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:45 pm

Bosscat wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:44 pm
I can't see that tbh Steve but.... never say never

Be funny if it happened to Liverpool maybe its wishful thinking on my part.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:48 pm

Steve1956 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:45 pm
Be funny if it happened to Liverpool maybe its wishful thinking on my part.

Not if we had a meltdown and got dragged into a relegation dogfight next season....

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:50 pm

Bosscat wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:48 pm
Not if we had a meltdown and got dragged into a relegation dogfight next season....

Nothing saying that isn't going to happen next season anyway if they expunged this season it wont affect us

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:56 pm

Bosscat wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:48 pm
Not if we had a meltdown and got dragged into a relegation dogfight next season....

IF THE SCOUSES HAVE TO LIFT THE TROPHY BEHIND CLOSED DOORS , AND THERE`S NOBODY THERE TO SEE IT , DID IT REALLY HAPPEN ?
Best comment of the day in reply ........................................
They`d be in their element , wouldn`t they
Taking shiny things that don`t belong to them , whilst nobody is watching !!!!!!