Ventilator dilema

[basil6345789]

Suppose in the coronavirus crisis there is one ventilator but 2 patients needing it. One is a smoker the other a non-smoker. Who should have priority?

[paulatky]

Would also depend on age and other underlying conditions.

[Devils_Advocate]

Id say smoker cos with all the sh*t in their lungs their need will probably be greater

[andyh]

DOes it matter if the smoker is a 30 year old mother of 4 and the non smoker is a 95 year old ex Nazi?

[Zlatan]

DOes it matter if the smoker is a 30 year old mother of 4 and the non smoker is a 95 year old ex Nazi?

Definitely save the ex Nazi - they know how to cull a population in a crisis

[tarkys_ears]

The smoker. They've paid for it!

[ClaretAndJew]

You'd treat it like a transplant and say that the one treating their organs better deserves it.

You wouldn't donate a set of lungs to a smoker if the choice is between the two.

[Croydon Claret]

What if only one of them believed in ghosts?

[Mala591]

There's only one way to find out...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FUr0BmHzyKk

[Jakubclaret]

Would also depend on age and other underlying conditions.

That’s exactly how they’d assess it, basically it’d be down to who they think could live the longest, no different to lots of operations & treatments, elderly patients with cancer it’s not uncommon to advise against chemotherapy as they know the chemotherapy would kill them there’d rather manage the cancer differently more towards palliative care.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Italy are doing it two ways.

80 yrs + and they're not going to be treated etc.

Anyone under 80, if they've got various health issues already that would likely prevent recovery and they're also being denied treatment.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

You'd treat it like a transplant and say that the one treating their organs better deserves it.

You wouldn't donate a set of lungs to a smoker if the choice is between the two.

Unfortunately we've given livers to alcoholics and then they've carried on drinking excessively

[tiger76]

Tough call! i'm just glad i don't have to make that decision thankfully.

But this quandary does bring home the gravity of the situation,when you put it in such stark terms.

[Jakubclaret]

Unfortunately we've given livers to alcoholics and then they've carried on drinking excessively

True, was it George best amongst many more, once transplanted it’s not as if you can take it back, it should be conditional but once it’s in its in, I guess what do you do, it’s all based on trust you’d think the recipient would have more respect.

[Devils_Advocate]

Unfortunately we've given livers to alcoholics and then they've carried on drinking excessively

Gettin value for money at least. No point giving someone a season ticket if they dont like watchin football

[thatdberight]

The one who can spell 'dilemma'.

[mdd2]

Unfortunately we've given livers to alcoholics and then they've carried on drinking excessively

And the primary disease that sees off livers and kidneys sometimes comes back and destroys the transplant
Alcoholism is not a disease of the liver but the mind.Alcoholics drink to excess, if they could control their drinking they wouldn't be alcoholics.
You have to be abstinent for 6 months to get on the transplant list.