Why is our death rate so high for CV19?

[claretandy]

The CSO said you can estimate 1 death per 1000 infected, we know the number of deaths so you can estimate the number of infections.

[Colburn_Claret]

Regardless of testing why have Germany managed to keep more people alive to date?

Practically everybody who has died, had underlying health conditions.
Just as people on here have argued over how many people died of flu. Flu was a contributing factor, but it's also because of those underlying health conditions. I know many people who have gone into hospital through one ailment, only to die in hospital from flu, which they never had when they went in.
Coronavirus is just a contributing factor. If the Germans decide to record the deaths as due to one of the 'other' contributing factors then the death rate would appear far less. It would also help in keeping people calmer in the situation. Only an idea, but I would doubt very much that any modern country is dealing with this better than us, or we dealing with it better than them. Stats can be fudged to show anything.

[paulatky]

The very fact that there were manifesto pledges to build 40 new hospitals and recruit 50,000 additional nurses, just a month or so ago now, tells you that we did not enter into this pandemic "perfectly placed to fight the infection" as described by Boris and his advisors. Trying to put on a brave face.

Losing a large number of highly skilled nursing staff from Eastern Europe who left Britain during the Brexit debate hasn't helped and we have far too few critical care beds and ventilators to cope with this pandemic.

There has been a lot of muddled thinking and changes of strategy along the way. Yesterday school closures were announced, in the words of Patrick Vallance, "to suppress the infection and try and avoid more people catching the disease" yet less than a week ago he was talking about "building up herd immunity".

And that is in only 6 days.

What is the exit plan from the total lockdown strategy ? Gives time to develop a vaccine but that could be 18 months plus. Thats the only exit plan available

[AlargeClaret]

This is the same Germany whose govt were publicly and openly begging their hospitals and people yesterday re suitable equipment . The top brass Medicos have been extremely doubtful about the German death rate for a couple of weeks, though doubt you’ll find that on Twitter

[AlargeClaret]

The very fact that there were manifesto pledges to build 40 new hospitals and recruit 50,000 additional nurses, just a month or so ago now, tells you that we did not enter into this pandemic "perfectly placed to fight the infection" as described by Boris and his advisors. Trying to put on a brave face.

Losing a large number of highly skilled nursing staff from Eastern Europe who left Britain during the Brexit debate hasn't helped and we have far too few critical care beds and ventilators to cope with this pandemic.

There has been a lot of muddled thinking and changes of strategy along the way. Yesterday school closures were announced, in the words of Patrick Vallance, "to suppress the infection and try and avoid more people catching the disease" yet less than a week ago he was talking about "building up herd immunity".

Just for the record we didn’t lose “ a large number of highly skilled Eastern European medical staff during Brexit “ that’s totally and utterly incorrect .There were very very few posts vacant in either 2 large Yorkshire trusts , 2 large lancs and 2 Manc trusts . While I’m sure a few retuned home the impact was zero . I can’t vouch for some of the large southern trusts but I’ve little doubt the data is in a par

[kentonclaret]

More than 10,000 EU nationals have left the NHS since the Brexit referendum, including almost 5,000 nurses.

Data obtained by the Liberal Democrats using the Freedom of Information Act, and reported in The Guardian on 24 November 2019, it was revealed that during 2019 3,250 EU staff had left the NHS and that figure included 1116 EU nurses.

The data also revealed 11,600 EU staff left the NHS following the Brexit vote including 4,783 nurses. Some of the worst affected Trusts included London North West which lost 362 staff, Oxford University Hospital with 304 departures and University Hospital Bristol with 203.

[KateR]

ohhhh another political thread, they're growing faster than the bloody virus is.

[Stayingup]

Germany and France for example have better Healthcare sysyems than we have. Maybe less damp westher and generally healthier people accounting for fewer underlying problems in people.

[deanothedino]

Maybe I'm the only one but I think Germany's numbers look pretty suspect.

[AlargeClaret]

More than 10,000 EU nationals have left the NHS since the Brexit referendum, including almost 5,000 nurses.

Data obtained by the Liberal Democrats using the Freedom of Information Act, and reported in The Guardian on 24 November 2019, it was revealed that during 2019 3,250 EU staff had left the NHS and that figure included 1116 EU nurses.

The data also revealed 11,600 EU staff left the NHS following the Brexit vote including 4,783 nurses. Some of the worst affected Trusts included London North West which lost 362 staff, Oxford University Hospital with 304 departures and University Hospital Bristol with 203.

You’re talking around ( back of a fag packet )0.005% of the nursing workforce and around 80% of these at the very very least would have been HCA -health care assistants ( hugely valuable to any hospital but very easily replaced ) while there is a nursing shortage it’s little to do with govt policy tbf, and a shame you brought up Brexit and politicised an issue that needs none at all

[1968claret]

One ventilator can ventilate one patient. Never seen a ventilator that can do four patients at once

I think he was getting mixed up with the old Hukkah pipes

On a more serious note. THANKYOU to you and all your colleagues for the amazing work you are doing. Keep safe.

[kentonclaret]

"while there is a nursing shortage it's little to do with govt. policy tbf"

The cutting of the nursing bursary was a political decision and has proved to be a total disaster.

[thelifeofbrian]

Ability and resources to test more people?

but testing doesn't cure the problem or prevent the sick from dying, it just tells that person to self isolate which is what were all doing anyhow.

is it maybe something to do with the age of the citizens of HK??