Time to release the prisoners???

Another batshit idea

Just what everyone needs.

Release the dregs of society at a time when there’s no jobs and people are most worried about what the future will hold.

If ever a set of people would ignore being told to go on lock down & self isolate it’s those that have shown they can’t follow the rules and laws of the land

Not all prisoners are bad and dangerous people but the majority are

Time to half their rations!

Whoever has come up with this idea ought to be put in prison or made to live with a prisoner. Idiocy.

Get out of a place where I can play on a PlayStation all day long, to go somewhere else and play on a PlayStation all day long?!

They release no one in Iran as a rule....they cant be all that bad then.......they've released 10.000!!

As in most arguments, there's need for balance here.
It would probably make some sense to release some categories of prisoner on parole / license IMO.
e.g. those in prison for fraud and other financial irregularities, failure to pay debts, etc. etc., and probably those who are due to be released in the next month or so, providing they've done the majority of their sentence.
There'll be a lot of criminal activity in the months ahead and we'll need to have the capacity to deal with it.

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:18 am

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There'll be a lot of criminal activity in the months ahead and we'll need to have the capacity to deal with it.

You are joking right?
The Police are non exhistant now!

With even less available soon.


Prisons are underfunded / Privatized - short of space...
Not that I'm saying this move suits some companies.

The proposal was to free selected prisoners who had less than 3 months of their sentence left.
Not free them all.

Obviously we are nowhere near at the moment but if the situation with this virus continues to worsen then it may become against the basic human rights of the prisoners to be kept locked up. If that happens we may have no choice but to release them.

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:18 am

There'll be a lot of criminal activity in the months ahead and we'll need to have the capacity to deal with it.

You slept through the last 10 years ?
We have nowhere near the capacity to deal with the crimes happening today - and that is in terms of the police, justice system and prisons.
We empty the prisons a bit on the back of this there is still nowhere near enough police or capacity in the judicial system to deal with them.

The last thing the police need at the moment is criminals being let out early to reoffend.

Low risk of re offence? Maybe- yes. Any history of re-offending? That is not what we need, no.

TVC15 wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:01 am

You slept through the last 10 years ?
We have nowhere near the capacity to deal with the crimes happening today - and that is in terms of the police, justice system and prisons.
We empty the prisons a bit on the back of this there is still nowhere near enough police or capacity in the judicial system to deal with them.

The last thing the police need at the moment is criminals being let out early to reoffend.

I very much doubt that someone who is coming towards the end of their sentence for tax evasion, debt or many other similar offences is going to go out and suddenly start terrorising society.
Crime will have to be policed- though I understand your point about lack of numbers / resources. (3 police officers in our close family ).
I'm pretty sure that the army will play a big role in trying to keep our streets safe, by interning looters, extortionists, rioters and all the others who unfortunately will add to the misery of the situation.
We can't just have lawlessness and a total breakdown of the system otherwise society will break down entirely.

I don't think we are going to descend into lawlessness or a breakdown of society. I wasn't around during the wars but I'm absolutley sure this isn't in the same league and at those times people came together to help one another. No-one is dropping bombs on us. Our young men are not being forcibly sent away to be killed in their millions. We are not wondering when the enemy will invade or enslave us. We are not short of food (apart from the shortages being brought about by stupidity and selfishness). However people might view this situation it is not as bad as either of the world wars. Okay, we are having to change our ways of living for a while and we might have to change the way we eat even, depending on if we can stop the idiots who are stocking things they just don't need. But we are facing a challenge that I am sure we will all (mostly) face together. Yes there will be the selfish, the greedy, the ignorant (as there were during the wars - Spivs?) but most people will be okay and eventually normality will return - then will be the time to re-build and repair any damage done.

Let's do our little bit by stopping the arguing and sniping on here - as stated earlier this may be for many the only socialising they do for a while, let it be a place of mutual support and even comfort - surely at this time that isn't too much to ask is it?

With everyone self isolating the chances of a home burglar re-offending are vastly reduced

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:25 am

I very much doubt that someone who is coming towards the end of their sentence for tax evasion, debt or many other similar offences is going to go out and suddenly start terrorising society.
Crime will have to be policed- though I understand your point about lack of numbers / resources. (3 police officers in our close family ).
I'm pretty sure that the army will play a big role in trying to keep our streets safe, by interning looters, extortionists, rioters and all the others who unfortunately will add to the misery of the situation.
We can't just have lawlessness and a total breakdown of the system otherwise society will break down entirely.

Letting criminals out of prison early will not solve anything.
How many people do you think are in prison for tax evasion ? It’s got to be very few - most of them are in the cabinet !
You could say fraud was a similar type offence but one of the biggest increases in reported crime in the last few weeks is fraud as they have been targeting vulnerable people with fake remedies for the virus, or selling fake goods door to door.
If you have committed a crime deemed serious enough to get you a prison sentence then in many cases you will see the current times as an opportunity to reoffend.

I see very little logic in releasing prisoners early within the current system we have and the pressures police etc are under in terms of resources. I am sure there could be the odd exceptional case that warrants this but that is not going to make any difference.

Aren’t they suspending a lot of court trials at the moment? The numbers going in at the moment are likely to drop I would think.

Grayling got his old job back ??

houseboy wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:51 am

Let's do our little bit by stopping the arguing and sniping on here - as stated earlier this may be for many the only socialising they do for a while, let it be a place of mutual support and even comfort - surely at this time that isn't too much to ask is it?

Absolutely no need to stop sensible debate IMO, and I haven't spotted anything in any way unpleasant or nasty on this particular thread.
I'm not alone in anticipating that we will see looting and some disorder, particularly if this continues into the summer months.
Having a lot of bored feral teenagers is not a happy prospect.
And in respect of your other point- of course crime didn't stop during the war, but it's a false comparison anyway.
UTC and take care all.

And if we need a greater number of cells available in the short term? Also we have to consider a % of prison staff being unfit through illness in the coming weeks and months.

You need to even in out.

For every prisoner released early we need to give another one the death penalty. The prisons will soon have the space needed for one to a cell like the human rights people will demand.

expoultryboy wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:42 am

Grayling got his old job back ??

He’s been appointed Chairman of ‘The Intelligence and Security Committee’ apparently.

If you don’t laugh you’ll cry.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:11 am

You need to even in out.

For every prisoner released early we need to give another one the death penalty. The prisons will soon have the space needed for one to a cell like the human rights people will demand.

FFS. There's always one.

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:42 am

Absolutely no need to stop sensible debate IMO, and I haven't spotted anything in any way unpleasant or nasty on this particular thread.
I'm not alone in anticipating that we will see looting and some disorder, particularly if this continues into the summer months.
Having a lot of bored feral teenagers is not a happy prospect.
And in respect of your other point- of course crime didn't stop during the war, but it's a false comparison anyway.
UTC and take care all.

I'm not proposing not having debate. I am proposing stopping the name calling and points scoring attempts, nothing more. And it happens all the time, as you well know.
I think you seem to have a very dim view of teenagers to think that they will start looting and rioting.
And no, as I acknowledged, crime didn't stop during the wars, I was talking about the selfishness of the panic buyers and the stockpilers who are making life far worse than it need be.
As for the OP I 'm not sure how releasing prioners will help anything. They are, technically, in the safest place. The time to make 'space' in prisons is only if and when we face the prospect of larger scale crime, which may not happen anyway.
I think too many people, not particularly on here, are sat at home or wherever trying to think of the worst possible outcomes with all this. As I have asked before, what do people actually think is going to happen? It's a viral epidemic that most people will come through fit and well, it's not war.

Peace and health to you all.

Apparently many are unhappy as too many people have been selfish and stockpiling pitchforks and lanterns!

they are in prison for a reason!
not a good time to let a load of tealeafs out when things are scarce

houseboy wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:06 pm

I'm not proposing not having debate. I am proposing stopping the name calling and points scoring attempts, nothing more. And it happens all the time, as you well know.
I think you seem to have a very dim view of teenagers to think that they will start looting and rioting.

I have an extremely high opinion of teenagers, having worked with them and supported them for almost 40 years.
Last night I was voluntarily helping prepare food parcels for teenagers to take home from school when they finish today, because we know that they are not fed properly or looked after at home.
There are already areas (in normal times) where gangs of teenagers cause quite a bit of trouble in the evening, particularly the long summer evenings, mainly due to boredom.
If they are being left with feckless, abusive parents for months on end and not cared for properly, do you really think they'll all just stay in and accept it?
They'll go out and find trouble, even if they have no malicious intent.
[Looting by the way won't be limited to the younger generation]

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:05 pm

I have an extremely high opinion of teenagers, having worked with them and supported them for almost 40 years.
Last night I was voluntarily helping prepare food parcels for teenagers to take home from school when they finish today, because we know that they are not fed properly or looked after at home.
There are already areas (in normal times) where gangs of teenagers cause quite a bit of trouble in the evening, particularly the long summer evenings, mainly due to boredom.
If they are being left with feckless, abusive parents for months on end and not cared for properly, do you really think they'll all just stay in and accept it?
They'll go out and find trouble, even if they have no malicious intent.
[Looting by the way won't be limited to the younger generation]

Forget Looting....pillaging supermarkets is the new "Buzzword"

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:05 pm

I have an extremely high opinion of teenagers, having worked with them and supported them for almost 40 years.
Last night I was voluntarily helping prepare food parcels for teenagers to take home from school when they finish today, because we know that they are not fed properly or looked after at home.
There are already areas (in normal times) where gangs of teenagers cause quite a bit of trouble in the evening, particularly the long summer evenings, mainly due to boredom.
If they are being left with feckless, abusive parents for months on end and not cared for properly, do you really think they'll all just stay in and accept it?
They'll go out and find trouble, even if they have no malicious intent.
[Looting by the way won't be limited to the younger generation]

Let's just have a bit of faith and wait until it happens, if it happens. I'm sure there are already contingency plans by the government. The army will support the police if needs be but we all hope that will not be necesarry.

tim_noone wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:13 pm

Forget Looting....pillaging supermarkets is the new "Buzzword"

Hope they don't start raping in the supermarkets as well. Hoards of vikings turning up at Accrington Asda isn't a good thing.

houseboy wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:15 pm

Hope they don't start raping in the supermarkets as well. Hoards of vikings turning up at Accrington Asda isn't a good thing.

I fear for the Vikings.

Spike wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:34 pm

they are in prison for a reason!
not a good time to let a load of tealeafs out when things are scarce

You could let the shoplifters out.......that'd baffle 'em

The Vikings will go to a Waitrose for easy pickings.

houseboy wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:15 pm

Hope they don't start raping in the supermarkets as well. Hoards of vikings turning up at Accrington Asda isn't a good thing.

That's only on Tuesdays

you should read up on what the US is doing with prisoners and how many they are letting out, interesting reading, also arrests significantly down.

Perhaps the UK needs to do it so they can go and buy TV licenses instead of being bored, every little bit helps.

Personally think it's a good idea if done properly.