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BFC a community club my ar$e

Post by No Ney Never » Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:01 pm

Tight fisted beyond belief.
They're doing FA to support the non playing staff who can't work because of the corona virus. They've let them go and leaving them to fend for themselves.
I thought the club was at the heart of the community. Absolutely disgusting.

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Post by Funkydrummer » Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:06 pm

You know this for fact how please ?

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Post by Burnley1989 » Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:08 pm

I think this was a good opportunity for companies to really show that caring side of the business, unfortunately so many are doing the same thing.

I understand there will come a time when pay cuts and redundancies will need to happen but those doing it already, that aren’t short of money is really disappointing to see.

This isn’t a dig at Burnley by the way as I haven’t a clue what they’re doing. Just businesses in general

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Post by No Ney Never » Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:11 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:06 pm
You know this for fact how please ?
Facebook by people left to fend for themselves by the club.

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Post by Grumps » Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:14 pm

No Ney Never wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:11 pm
Facebook by people left to fend for themselves by the club.
That well known bearer of all things factual :D

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Post by NottsClaret » Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:15 pm

Probably a situation where more information would be handy.
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Post by Funkydrummer » Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:17 pm

Cheers, well that is absolutely disgraceful. They should be ashamed of themselves, but doubt they will be.

Whilst it's not a charity, they are not short of a bob or two and could help them out, even if it has to be
repaid when things get sorted.

BIG QUESTION HERE :- Will the players be getting paid for doing nowt ?

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Post by Gordaleman » Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:17 pm

Like all the Covid 19 scare stories. True until shown to be false. (Hopefully.)

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Post by jrgbfc » Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:23 pm

The club like to peddle this community club mantra, but in reality it's a complete myth, particularly in recent years. Despite having more money than we've ever had, they seem to be getting greedier and greedier. I'd hazard a guess that all catering staff and people doing similar will be on minimum wage.

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Post by bfcmik » Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:23 pm

I presume that those people who have contracts will get appropriate support when the club ceases 'public facing activities' at close of business tonight.

Others, such as those employed as 'gig economy' workers (eg programme sellers, match day staff and stewards) will not get paid when they don't work. Difficult to see how the club could legally pay them as they aren't official employees and so the laws preventing back-handers come into play I would think, as does their fiduciary duty to shareholders.

I thought the government had a scheme for paying gig economy workers affected by the shutdowns?

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Post by No Ney Never » Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:50 pm

Some woman called Yvette Rushton posted on the official BFC status about supporter facing departments, claiming to be a cleaner there and not getting paid by the club during the corona outbreak.

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Post by ClaretAndJew » Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:53 pm

Big business that relies on profits to survive screws over the staff shocker.

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Post by Steve1956 » Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:55 pm

Grumps wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:14 pm
That well known bearer of all things factual :D
That's Frank's job!! :lol:

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Post by Darnhill Claret » Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:59 pm

Don’t know what you expect employers to do. I work 25 hours a week with adults with learning disabilities. All employees have received an email stating that there can be no promises about continued employment after April 30th. That is where we all are at the moment. Get over it. People are dying. There are going to be lots of people suffering all kinds of hardship over this. Get on with it.
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Post by Tricky Trevor » Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:04 pm

IF BFC are laying off staff that is a business decision, rightly or wrongly.
This has nothing to do with the outstanding work BFC in the Community do. The OPs title is out of order.

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Post by ChorltonCharlie » Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:15 pm

Wish people wouldn't be so judgmental. We know this is catastrophic to the economy and Burnley FC is a high turnover business, not a rich one. It would be great if the all businesses could protect all types of employees, but first and foremost more information and guarantees is needed from the government. People also need to remember that cashflow could be a huge problem for Burnley. It's not like clubs get ~£120m of TV money at the start of the season, and those players worth tens of millions of pounds still need to be paid huge salaries.

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Post by Spijed » Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:20 pm

ChorltonCharlie wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:15 pm
Wish people wouldn't be so judgmental. We know this is catastrophic to the economy and Burnley FC is a high turnover business, not a rich one. It would be great if the all businesses could protect all types of employees, but first and foremost more information and guarantees is needed from the government. People also need to remember that cashflow could be a huge problem for Burnley. It's not like clubs get ~£120m of TV money at the start of the season, and those players worth tens of millions of pounds still need to be paid huge salaries.
"and those players worth tens of millions of pounds still need to be paid huge salaries."

Not just us, but it's a shame that many players will be picking up £50,000+ salaries each week, despite many others in the country struggling on a fraction of that.

It's a pity the FA haven't put a little emotional pressure on PL players at least to ask if they'd be willing to take a 10% pay cut at least, with the 10% going into a charity to support the most needy who are currently affected.
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Post by corporal jones » Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:26 pm

I would imagine that the running of the match day activities is a completely different business to the playing side and both have to stand alone in their own right. As there is no match day activity or revenue at the moment then decisions have to be made about staffing levels. This decision will be made on cashflow projections-or the lack of it. Owners of football clubs are in the main wealthy business men-they only become so by being ruthlessly efficient at what they do.
PS. Good job we didnt spend all the money are Carlos Kickaball like many on here have been demanding.

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Post by ChorltonCharlie » Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:28 pm

Spijed wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:20 pm
"and those players worth tens of millions of pounds still need to be paid huge salaries."

Not just us, but it's a shame that many players will be picking up £50,000+ salaries each week, despite many others in the country struggling on a fraction of that.

It's a pity the FA haven't put a little emotional pressure on PL players at least to ask if they'd be willing to take a 10% pay cut at least, with the 10% going into a charity to support the most needy who are currently affected.
As I just posted on a different thread...

The players have made contributions and at many clubs. Players get paid a fortune, but they have lifestyles and bills based on that income. They also face an uncertain future. There's no violin out for them, but it's wrong to think that they are the solution to problems like this.

There's a lot of rich people in Britain and many of those have a lot more maturity when it comes to managing finances than footballers, yet it's always footballers who are the easy target.
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Post by Burnley1989 » Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:31 pm

Darnhill Claret wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:59 pm
Don’t know what you expect employers to do. I work 25 hours a week with adults with learning disabilities. All employees have received an email stating that there can be no promises about continued employment after April 30th. That is where we all are at the moment. Get over it. People are dying. There are going to be lots of people suffering all kinds of hardship over this. Get on with it.
Not getting payed... get over it...

If only it was that easy

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Post by KateR » Fri Mar 20, 2020 5:16 pm

thought I just read in the last hour that BFC and players were contributing funds to help with the virus, different ways to help but continuing to pay staff for long periods is unsustainable but there should be something planned, can't comment on what it is as I have no idea regarding what there intent is.

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Post by Billy Balfour » Fri Mar 20, 2020 5:16 pm

Darnhill Claret wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:59 pm
Don’t know what you expect employers to do. I work 25 hours a week with adults with learning disabilities. All employees have received an email stating that there can be no promises about continued employment after April 30th.
Darnhill, how will the adults with learning disabilities cope if their support workers are laid off or are you talking about a different role that doesn't involve 24/7 personal care?

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:08 pm

Spijed wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:20 pm
"and those players worth tens of millions of pounds still need to be paid huge salaries."

Not just us, but it's a shame that many players will be picking up £50,000+ salaries each week, despite many others in the country struggling on a fraction of that.

It's a pity the FA haven't put a little emotional pressure on PL players at least to ask if they'd be willing to take a 10% pay cut at least, with the 10% going into a charity to support the most needy who are currently affected.
Sion asked their players to take a pay cut during this pandemic.
They sacked the 9 players who refused it's been announced.

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Post by Chester Perry » Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:13 pm

from the Independent - What are Premier League clubs doing to help casual and matchday staff during the coronavirus pandemic?

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 08711.html

EDIT - the relevant section
"Burnley
Discussions are ongoing with the club committed to doing right by their staff."
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Post by Leisure » Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:27 pm

Spijed wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:20 pm

It's a pity the FA haven't put a little emotional pressure on PL players at least to ask if they'd be willing to take a 10% pay cut at least, with the 10% going into a charity to support the most needy who are currently affected.
Which charity? Who would administer this 10% pay cut?

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Post by Leisure » Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:58 pm

The football club is not BFC in the Community.

BFC in the Community

We are Burnley FC in the Community (BFCitC); the award-winning, official charity of Burnley Football Club.

We believe in the immense power of our football club to transform people’s lives for the better. We work hard every day to deliver our mission across the communities of Burnley, Pendle, Rossendale, the Ribble Valley and West Yorkshire. Together we inspire, support and deliver positive change for all.

Our work is channelled into five key areas: Sport, Education, Health, Social Inclusion and Community Facilities. Our highly-skilled, dynamic and passionate team now deliver over 50 community projects that touch the lives of a huge spectrum of people in and around Burnley. From children and young people right through to senior citizens.

Though we are embedded within the ethos of Burnley FC, we are financially independent from the football club. We rely on fundraising activities, donations, sponsorships and grants to do the work we do and every penny we raise goes to developing new opportunities for those who need it most.

We believe Burnley is a special place – a home to extraordinary people. This website will showcase to you the scope of our work but it’s also a place you can actively get involved in the work of our charity.

Day-by-day, the outreach of our work is growing and truly exciting things are happening at Burnley FC in the Community. Come and be part of our story!

Mission and Objectives
Burnley FC in the Community is a self-financing registered charity (No: 1155856) with a mission to support communities, inspire communities and deliver change in communities. This is achieved through the delivery of 10 community objectives:

Engage with our communities to raise aspirations.
Support our community to live healthy lives.
Create a level playing field for all to engage in sport and physical activity.
Ensure we are a needs-led charity and focus on addressing the ‘root cause’ of social issues.
Support and inspire children and young people to reach their full potential.
Harness the unique standing of Burnley FC to deliver lasting change in the local community and overseas.
Empower our employees, partners and participants to champion Equality and Inclusion.
To ensure we are a partnership-based organisation which prides itself on forming long-term mutually beneficial partnerships with ‘like-minded’ organisations.
To embed ourselves in communities for the long-term by working with partners to develop and operate outstanding community facilities.
To ensure we always deliver high quality impactful projects through a strong foundation of staff, CPD, organisational policies and governance procedures.

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Post by Darnhill Claret » Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:31 pm

Hi Billy Balfour. I drive the adults to their day centres in the morning and drive them home again at night. From tonight’s bulletin I may or may not be able to continue in that role, although I imagine the centre will close very soon. I anticipate the centre workers will be retained, as they can be used as drivers should the numbers fall, either before closure or after reopening. I’m sure the majority of the general public will muck in and perhaps recreate some of that wartime community spirit to look after those less fortunate than themselves. But let’s not be offended on other people’s behalf when we know have to face up to a difficult future for the majority of us who will hopefully live through this pandemic. Not a support worker by title but we all support as a team in our different roles. I do understand that individuals will in some cases struggle badly financially, but I wish everyone good health over the months to come. Some of us won’t live through it.

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Post by randomclaret2 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:03 am

The club have made a statement about paying staff

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Post by claptrappers_union » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:10 am

Proper club
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Post by Sean Dyche's Watch » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:19 am

Today's article covers matchday and non-matchday casual staff, but nothing about non-casual staff?

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:34 am

Sean Dyche's Watch wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:19 am
Today's article covers matchday and non-matchday casual staff, but nothing about non-casual staff?
Do you mean contracted staff?

Superb from the club by the way.

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Post by martin_p » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:37 am

One assumes the original poster on this thread will be along soon with a full apology.

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Post by ClaretTony » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:49 am

Well done Burnley FC

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Post by ZizkovClaret » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:54 am

martin_p wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:37 am
One assumes the original poster on this thread will be along soon with a full apology.
I mean, it took a while so i understand the OP's sentiments, however yeah maybe a locked thread job

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Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:56 am

With limited things to moan about Burnley FC wise the OP had offered a glimmer of hope but now that has been cruelly snatched away. Damn you for doing the right thing!
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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:57 am

ZizkovClaret wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:54 am
I mean, it took a while so i understand the OP's sentiments, however yeah maybe a locked thread job

Let the clown apologise for his tantrum first though before he has his thread locked

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:11 am

In fairness to the OP, there was a few people on social media complaining about the club not paying staff who I presume worked there.

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:13 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:11 am
In fairness to the OP, there was a few people on social media complaining about the club not paying staff who I presume worked there.
Or some who don't work there but have heard a rumour, repeated it which is the repeated by someone else which then becomes the truth

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Post by ClaretTony » Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:16 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:11 am
In fairness to the OP, there was a few people on social media complaining about the club not paying staff who I presume worked there.
The problems of believing social media - and never presume anything, such as them working there

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Post by beddie » Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:56 am

That's good news for all concerned. Interesting to read that the Leeds players have taken a wage deferral. It's good when everyone can come together and think of others.

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Post by KRBFC » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:46 pm

Many people (not me) have moaned about the clubs loyalty towards fans previously but in the time of need they have delivered, excellent news.

True colours always show in times of stress

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Post by Taffy on the wing » Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:32 pm

Can anyone really imagine Sean Dyche being a part of "screwing over the little guy"?
He'd never stand for it.

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Post by randomclaret2 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:35 pm

Would Dyche be involved in this decision ?

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