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Post by fanzone » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:55 pm

For me every time he speaks I'm.proud that he's our leader
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Post by Rowls » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:56 pm

Me too.

Good to have finally reached a consensus on here.

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Post by Rowls » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:56 pm

Nobody can disagree now.

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Post by NewClaret » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:01 pm

Me Three.

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Post by Caballo » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:04 pm

Started off decidedly averagely. Events have overtaken his plans somewhat and having found he has couple of decent lieutenants in Rishi Sunak and Matt Hancock is making a decent fist of it.

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Post by joey13 » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:06 pm

fanzone wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:55 pm
For me every time he speaks I'm.proud that he's our leader
You must have been really proud about his operation last gasp joke

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Post by ClaretAndJew » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:08 pm

Every time he speaks and says things like "wash your hands, you will lose loved ones before your time "

Yes, very proud.

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Post by bfcjg » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:09 pm

The PM is doing the job expected of any PM during these so strange times. If Hunt would have won ditto, even if labour had of won the election Corbyn would have done the same. Forget political allegiances at this time just support ,follow and encourage others to the advice given by the experts.
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Post by LeadBelly » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:13 pm

I'm not a natural Tory, but I voted thus first time at the latest election. I'd much rather have Boris at the helm in the current crisis than Jezza/Macca/Abbott/Thornberry et al.

I just cannot see Jezza (2 E-grade A-levels) coping with a crisis of this complexity.

I hope the Labour party largely acts harmoniously with the government in the crisis rather than falling into the political-scoring game.
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Post by Fenwick » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:15 pm

I agree. No leader of any party, Conservative, Labour or anyone else would be doing anything different. Better or worse. The time for point scoring or the frankly bizarre snearing like you get from the Guardian's opinion columns is over.
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Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:15 pm

I’m happy with the measures they have put in place to help people this week. Less happy with how long they ignored the warnings they got in the first place.

For the sake of a lot of people I hope this week doesn’t turn out to be his Neville Chamberlain moment.

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Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:18 pm

Why any body would be mentioning political parties now is beyond me, its like teenagers arguing over football teams sometimes, when this is as serious as any of us will probably face in our lifetime.
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Post by Rowls » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:19 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:15 pm
For the sake of a lot of people I hope this week doesn’t turn out to be his Neville Chamberlain moment.
You really think Merkel will invade Poland?
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Post by Bosscat » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:21 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:15 pm
I’m happy with the measures they have put in place to help people this week. Less happy with how long they ignored the warnings they got in the first place.

For the sake of a lot of people I hope this week doesn’t turn out to be his Neville Chamberlain moment.
It could be his '1982 Thatcher Falklands War, Churchill Dunkirk 1940' moment

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Post by Joe Buck » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:24 pm

I never comment on political threads but I will now. My daughter is a police officer and pregnant. She was placed in the at risk group this week so told to go home and isolate: She’s been contacted since and told to return to work. She doesn’t want to let people down so she will do . As far as I’m concerned it’s because of Tory cuts that she needs to do so

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Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:26 pm

Rowls wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:19 pm
You really think Merkel will invade Poland?
I think you’ll keep hoping.
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Post by boatshed bill » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:33 pm

Joe Buck wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:24 pm
I never comment on political threads but I will now. My daughter is a police officer and pregnant. She was placed in the at risk group this week so told to go home and isolate: She’s been contacted since and told to return to work. She doesn’t want to let people down so she will do . As far as I’m concerned it’s because of Tory cuts that she needs to do so
To be fair, Boris's Tory party haven't really had time to do much other than fend off disasters so a bit unfair to judge yet.

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Post by Joe Buck » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:36 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:33 pm
To be fair, Boris's Tory party haven't really had time to do much other than fend off disasters so a bit unfair to judge yet.
So if you were in my shoes you’d be happy

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Post by Bfcboyo » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:36 pm

Joe Buck wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:24 pm
I never comment on political threads but I will now. My daughter is a police officer and pregnant. She was placed in the at risk group this week so told to go home and isolate: She’s been contacted since and told to return to work. She doesn’t want to let people down so she will do . As far as I’m concerned it’s because of Tory cuts that she needs to do so
You need to look back to labour spending to find the real truth.

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Post by Joe Buck » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:39 pm

Bfcboyo wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:36 pm
You need to look back to labour spending to find the real truth.
So that’s it . Shall we keep passing the buck. Those bloody Whigs

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Post by Joe Buck » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:41 pm

Look I’m just extremely stressed not looking for a fight

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Post by boatshed bill » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:46 pm

Joe Buck wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:36 pm
So if you were in my shoes you’d be happy
What size? :D

I don't doubt that Tory cuts since Cameron and his austerity programme have left our services understaffed. But BJ and this cabinet have had a very unfortunate start with floods and now this effing virus.
It's an unfortunate situation, and hardly one through which to indulge in party bashing.

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Post by Cirrus_Minor » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:49 pm

With the most socialist chancellor in the history of the UK.

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Post by Joe Buck » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:52 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:46 pm
What size? :D

I don't doubt that Tory cuts since Cameron and his austerity programme have left our services understaffed. But BJ and this cabinet have had a very unfortunate start with floods and now this effing virus.
It's an unfortunate situation, and hardly one through which to indulge in party bashing.
Agree but I just thought I I’d interrupt this love in because the the threads title was disuss

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Post by Joe Buck » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:52 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:46 pm
What size? :D

I don't doubt that Tory cuts since Cameron and his austerity programme have left our services understaffed. But BJ and this cabinet have had a very unfortunate start with floods and now this effing virus.
It's an unfortunate situation, and hardly one through which to indulge in party bashing.
Agree but I just thought I I’d interrupt this love in because the the threads title was discuss
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Post by bfcjg » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:53 pm

Joe Buck wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:41 pm
Look I’m just extremely stressed not looking for a fight
As a dad and Grandad I emphasise with you and your daughters dilemma. She should stay at home in the next few weeks I think the army will be on the streets and people who have had the virus and recovered or other security related people such as security guards traffic wardens door people etc will be called on to help out. Your daughter and her baby are in the really low risk group and will be prioritised quite rightly so if they do need help.
Your daughter and future grandchild are the future.
Quit the job if need be family first always.

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Post by Joe Buck » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:00 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:53 pm
As a dad and Grandad I emphasise with you and your daughters dilemma. She should stay at home in the next few weeks I think the army will be on the streets and people who have had the virus and recovered or other security related people such as security guards traffic wardens door people etc will be called on to help out. Your daughter and her baby are in the really low risk group and will be prioritised quite rightly so if they do need help.
Your daughter and future grandchild are the future.
Quit the job if need be family first always.
Thanks for that and I do feel she will be ok. We all need to stick together and realise that party politics should be put aside but just needed to put another viewpoint forward
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Post by Cryssys » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:06 pm

Joe Buck wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:41 pm
Look I’m just extremely stressed not looking for a fight
Sorry, you're in the wrong forum :)

Try next door ;)
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Post by Cubanclaret » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:09 pm

Seems a really odd time for encouraging petty politicking. I fear that some people here are in for a seriously tough reality check very soon.
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Post by Clarets4me » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:27 pm

I voted Conservative in December for the first ever time at a General Election ....
In the last week, I've had a former Lib-Dem Councillor tell me that he thinks Chancellor Rishi Sunak is " deeply impressive " and " a future PM ", and a lifelong Labour voter tell me that, through gritted teeth, " Johnson has been outstanding " ....

Strange days indeed !

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:54 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:18 pm
Why any body would be mentioning political parties now is beyond me, its like teenagers arguing over football teams sometimes, when this is as serious as any of us will probably face in our lifetime.
Sadly on here and in the country you have arseholes who because of who is in power will happily ignore the sad deaths of people to point score due to their choice not being leader. The same arseholes would be pleading leniency had Corbyn been in power due to the current unprecedented situation.

Oddly some of them are the same who log in at 5pm after we lose a game, maybe they are just happy being a c**t in life

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Post by Joe Buck » Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:02 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:54 pm
Sadly on here and in the country you have arseholes who because of who is in power will happily ignore the sad deaths of people to point score due to their choice not being leader. The same arseholes would be pleading leniency had Corbyn been in power due to the current unprecedented situation.

Oddly some of them are the same who log in at 5pm after we lose a game, maybe they are just happy being a c**t in life
It’s not point scoring . Look at the threads title. If you can’t discuss without being insulting perhaps you’ve lost the discussion

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Post by Jimmymaccer » Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:05 am

Said this morning how, at the end of the day everyone seems to be together .....no inter politics etc, hopefully the “stronger together” will bang some heads and independence etc should be viewed for what it is.....totally right we should be able to have opinions, but together we’re better.....

And a massive thanks to everyone who how little it may seem.........
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Post by BennyD » Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:15 am

Joe Buck wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:24 pm
I never comment on political threads but I will now. My daughter is a police officer and pregnant. She was placed in the at risk group this week so told to go home and isolate: She’s been contacted since and told to return to work. She doesn’t want to let people down so she will do . As far as I’m concerned it’s because of Tory cuts that she needs to do so
This shows the precise reason you shouldn’t comment on political threads. This says a lot more (negatively) about you than your daughter.

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Post by Joe Buck » Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:21 am

BennyD wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:15 am
This shows the precise reason you shouldn’t comment on political threads. This says a lot more (negatively) about you than your daughter.
Look forward to you stepping up and taking the lead . I trust you won’t worry about your families health. I shall tell my daughter that you will take her place while we hide away . Dickhead

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Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:24 am

Rowls wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:19 pm
You really think Merkel will invade Poland?
Well she invaded Greece, so.....

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Post by BennyD » Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:28 am

Joe Buck: Whilst I used to be in the police, I never got pregnant but I’m sure I could take her place if asked. Also, I am the last in the line of my family so I don’t have a families health to worry about. Have another go at insulting me because your last one failed miserably.

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Post by Joe Buck » Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:32 am

Don’t want to insult you but you seem to want an argument. Not sure what you’re saying. Can understand why you didn’t get pregnant

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Post by RingoMcCartney » Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:45 am

Who ever was PM, this virus would have handed them a poison chalice.

An unenviable task of balancing, the natural humanitarian urge to preserve as many lives as is possible. And, trying to ensure that when, God willing, we come out of this horrendous situation. Theres actually a viable economy left to come out to.

The enormity of the task , whoever had to do it. Cannot be underestimated.

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Post by RingoMcCartney » Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:01 am

Clarets4me wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:27 pm
I voted Conservative in December for the first ever time at a General Election ....
In the last week, I've had a former Lib-Dem Councillor tell me that he thinks Chancellor Rishi Sunak is " deeply impressive " and " a future PM ", and a lifelong Labour voter tell me that, through gritted teeth, " Johnson has been outstanding " ....

Strange days indeed !
Andrew JB will be along , shortly, explain that the reason why the former Lib-Dem Councillor and the lifelong Labour voter , Sunak is "deeply impressive " and " a future PM ", and " Johnson has been outstanding " respectivly. Is because they've been , and I quote , "radicalised" by the ""right wing media, newspapers, Daily Mail, Express, Torygraph, Sky news " take your pick.

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Post by Grumps » Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:16 am

Joe Buck wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:24 pm
I never comment on political threads but I will now. My daughter is a police officer and pregnant. She was placed in the at risk group this week so told to go home and isolate: She’s been contacted since and told to return to work. She doesn’t want to let people down so she will do . As far as I’m concerned it’s because of Tory cuts that she needs to do so
I think you should name and shame the police force, as it doesn't sound like any one I know of. They are usually the opposite and bend over backwards to ill officers. She only needs to contact her federation or HR rep and it would be sorted in a second. Are all pregnant women being told not to work, in any job?
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Post by Joe Buck » Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:09 am

Grumps wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:16 am
I think you should name and shame the police force, as it doesn't sound like any one I know of. They are usually the opposite and bend over backwards to ill officers. She only needs to contact her federation or HR rep and it would be sorted in a second. Are all pregnant women being told not to work, in any job?
Don’t want to name the force but have told her to contact the federation.

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Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:11 am

Some heartening words reportedly made by Dominic Cummings at the end of February in today’s Sunday Times in relation to the economy and pensioners dying.

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Post by Grumps » Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:30 am

Joe Buck wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:09 am
Don’t want to name the force but have told her to contact the federation.
They normally bend over backwards on welfare issues, and certainly wouldn't go against government advice, perhaps it was just one ill informed person who contacted her, or maybe the advice has changed and her particular situation means she could return.

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Post by Zlatan » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:00 am

I think Boris has done his best and for that I respect him. However the Tories are despicable... (taken from the Covid-19 thread)
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Post by Grumps » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:26 am

Zlatan wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:00 am
I think Boris has done his best and for that I respect him. However the Tories are despicable... (taken from the Covid-19 thread)

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Do we know he actually said that? Could it be poor reporting?

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Post by Zlatan » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:27 am

Grumps wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:26 am
Do we know he actually said that? Could it be poor reporting?
You’re right, it could be. Trouble is that it is believable whether he said it or not

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Post by Grumps » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:40 am

Zlatan wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:27 am
You’re right, it could be. Trouble is that it is believable whether he said it or not
How can it be believable if he didn't say it :D :D

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Post by Zlatan » Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:05 pm

Grumps wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:40 am
How can it be believable if he didn't say it :D :D
I know you’re being facetious but you know I mean that the sentiment was accurate for them

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Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:10 pm

Johnson can't go wrong as long as berks like Dom the Dwarf keep out of it.
If we reach the worst case scenario, it's hardly Johnson's fault. National tragedy, we're all in it together, blah, blah.

If matters improve more rapidly, it's a great victory for a heroic administration and the er, bulldog, never say die attitude of the British people.

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