Burnley v Plymouth 1994 play-off semi first leg

cricketfield73 · Post by **cricketfield73** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:24 pm

I stumbled across this footage earlier. I'd almost forgotten how much of a feisty affair this was.
Given our away form that season, I, like probably everyone, really thought we'd blown it against Plymouth's 10 men but little did I realise that what was to become my favourite ever away trip was just a few days away!

https://youtu.be/QcVg2ZEgLfI

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:38 pm

The link takes you to Spurs Vs Burnley 1-4

Enty1974 · Post by **Enty1974** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:41 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:38 pm
The link takes you to Spurs Vs Burnley 1-4

Doesnt

cricketfield73 · Post by **cricketfield73** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:45 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:38 pm
The link takes you to Spurs Vs Burnley 1-4

Sorted it now. Thanks.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:01 pm

cricketfield73 wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:24 pm
I, like probably everyone, really thought we'd blown it against Plymouth's 10 men

Plymouth certainly did - they were advertising coaches to Wembley in their programme at the return match at Home Park. Hahahaahaha

Didn't go to many games that season but the Wembley final was what really made me a proper supporter - it was enthralling.

The game at Plymouth was probably my Dad's favourite ever away game until Reading away in 2009 game along.

Apparently, when the Burnley fans were being kept behind after the game Peter Shilton came out and flicked the Vs at everybody.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:04 pm

still my favourite away game, long journey, locals were friendly before the match and not so much afterwards. I think we stopped singing around Birmingham on the way back home !! Super Johnny Francis !

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:05 pm

Return game here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE8lEVG6lHc

They were very, VERY feisty affairs.

Joyce and Deary weren't taking any prisoners but Plymouth were just as bad.

Super Johnny Francis' greatest ever moment and how sweet it must have been given the disgusting racist chants aimed his way. What a way to shut the ^&*ers up.

And all this after having gone 1-0 down.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:05 pm

I think it was this match that started the Plymouth fans near decade long love affair with Burnley fans.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:10 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:05 pm
I think it was this match that started the Plymouth fans near decade long love affair with Burnley fans.

Then we had the pleasure of relegating them at the end of the Waddle season and watching the apes ripping up the Cricketfield Stand.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:13 pm

Rowls wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:10 pm
Then we had the pleasure of relegating them at the end of the Waddle season and watching the apes ripping up the Cricketfield Stand.

Aye.

I have a scar on my head from that one.

cricketfield73 · Post by **cricketfield73** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:14 pm

We went on the coach to the return leg and got there at about 4pm. We went for a beer and a bite to eat and then as it was a balmy spring evening we went and sat in a local park.
A Plymouth fan came by and jokingly, but still slightly too cockily, asked us why we'd bothered wasting our time travelling down when the game was already won.
At the end of the match, in a crowd of around 20,000, incredibly the very same guy forlornly passed right by our coach window and I gave him a little 'wave'.
One of my favourite football memories and right up there with throwing a piece of Stimorol chewing gum into Brian Kidd's perm as the Arsenal players came out of the tunnel in the 1970's and it still being stuck in there at half time. That still makes me laugh to this day.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:14 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:13 pm
Aye.

I have a scar on my head from that one.

And I've got Andy Cooke's t-shirt which he threw into the crowd after the players had re-emerged to join the "celebrations". It's my prized possession.

We'd only stayed up by the skin of our teeth (for crying out loud) but it felt like we'd won the league.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:15 pm

cricketfield73 wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:14 pm
... right up there with throwing a piece of Stimorol chewing gum into Brian Kidd's perm as the Arsenal players came out of the tunnel in the 1970's and it still being stuck in there at half time. That still makes me laugh to this day.

Actually laughed out loud at that one ccricketfield!

chipbutty · Post by **chipbutty** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:17 pm

Also, weren`t Plymouth the first team to lose to us after Cotterills 200 game unwinning run?

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:19 pm

Rowls wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:14 pm
And I've got Andy Cooke's t-shirt which he threw into the crowd after the players had re-emerged to join the "celebrations". It's my prized possession.

We'd only stayed up by the skin of our teeth (for crying out loud) but it felt like we'd won the league.

Nice

I managed to catch Glen Little, which doesn't sound much, but he was knackered after that game and very grateful for the rugby style hug.

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:34 pm

The Plymouth fans at the 2nd leg all had their pre booked coach vouchers for Wembley. They gladly waved them in our faces before the game.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:25 am

2nd leg a fantastic day 12 midday train from Reading with the London supporters .Pasty and cider in the Mayflower then going hoarse singing my lungs out as Johnny Francis rampaged around Holme Park
Not able to go to the station till our midnight train due to potential violence by locals we went for a curry then taxi back to catch the overnight London train
Off at Reading at 530 then quick shower and off to work still buzzing
I enjoyed that game as one of my best aways.

Covclaret · Post by **Covclaret** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:42 am

Andy Comyn, the Plymouth No 4 is a friend of mine. I have never tired of talking through John Francis' second goal with him

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:15 am

I think Plymouth away was the match I thought most impossible to win out of any Burnley game.
We were shocking away at the time but great at home and a 0-0 against 10 men in the home leg was chance blown.

I gave us zero chance of progressing.

I can still hear them Plymouth fans chanting 'We only need 10 men.'

longside72 · Post by **longside72** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:15 am

Took my 6 month old son , his first ever game .

Sausage · Post by **Sausage** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:54 am

Mark Briggs' commentary though.

jamesisaburyfan · Post by **jamesisaburyfan** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:39 pm

Rowls wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:01 pm
Plymouth certainly did - they were advertising coaches to Wembley in their programme at the return match at Home Park. Hahahaahaha

Didn't go to many games that season but the Wembley final was what really made me a proper supporter - it was enthralling.

The game at Plymouth was probably my Dad's favourite ever away game until Reading away in 2009 game along.

Apparently, when the Burnley fans were being kept behind after the game Peter Shilton came out and flicked the Vs at everybody.

Preston did that against us in 1995. They’d tonked us 5-0 at their place in March, thanks in no small part to a loanee from Manchester United, but we came away from the first leg at Deepdale with a 1-0 win. In the second they threw absolutely everything at us but on 87 it was still 0-0. Then Tony Rigby popped up with this - please indulge me and watch my favourite ever goal by a Bury player at 2m 40s and listen to the reaction of club commentator Paul Greenlees. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ry2ik

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:57 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:15 am
I think Plymouth away was the match I thought most impossible to win out of any Burnley game.
We were shocking away at the time but great at home and a 0-0 against 10 men in the home leg was chance blown.

I gave us zero chance of progressing.

I can still hear them Plymouth fans chanting 'We only need 10 men.'

And I can clearly remember us at Home Park singing to them at the end of the game 'you're better with 10 men'. What goes around comes around.

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:03 pm

cricketfield73 wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:24 pm
I stumbled across this footage earlier. I'd almost forgotten how much of a feisty affair this was.
Given our away form that season, I, like probably everyone, really thought we'd blown it against Plymouth's 10 men but little did I realise that what was to become my favourite ever away trip was just a few days away!

https://youtu.be/QcVg2ZEgLfI

Quite simply, they tried to kick Ted McMinn out of the equation in the first leg, as Stockport did in the final .....
Tragically, their goalkeeper, Alan Nicholls was killed in a motorbike accident the following year. He was 22.

cricketfield73 · Post by **cricketfield73** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:14 pm

jamesisaburyfan wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:39 pm
Preston did that against us in 1995. They’d tonked us 5-0 at their place in March, thanks in no small part to a loanee from Manchester United, but we came away from the first leg at Deepdale with a 1-0 win. In the second they threw absolutely everything at us but on 87 it was still 0-0. Then Tony Rigby popped up with this - please indulge me and watch my favourite ever goal by a Bury player at 2m 40s and listen to the reaction of club commentator Paul Greenlees. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ry2ik

Seeing pictures like that of great times for a club really brings home how heartbreaking what has happened to Bury is.
I see they played Chesterfield in the final, but Sean Dyche, although playing for them at the time, didn't feature.
Great goal by the way!

kritichris · Post by **kritichris** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:22 pm

I went with Rossendale Clarets to the away match in a minibus, I got the short straw and spent the entire journey sat on the engine cover, a very warm trip. At the end when we were kept in the Plymouth fans went round the back of our end and started throwing all sorts of stuff at us but mainly branches. Great fun.

jamesisaburyfan · Post by **jamesisaburyfan** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:23 pm

cricketfield73 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:14 pm
Seeing pictures like that of great times for a club really brings home how heartbreaking what has happened to Bury is.
I see they played Chesterfield in the final, but Sean Dyche, although playing for them at the time, didn't feature.
Great goal by the way!

It is. I spend a lot of late night Saturdays after my girlfriend has gone to bed with a bottle of whisky and my old season review videos, which I've had transferred to DVD. When you see a crowd reaction like that, you just want to find Stewart Day, grab him by the lapels and scream into his face "You've taken away from people the potential to feel like that. How can you sleep at night?"

cricketfield73 · Post by **cricketfield73** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:38 pm

Hi jamesisaburyfan, I 'liked' your post, though not that I 'liked' it in that sense of the word.
Watching the Plymouth play off brings back all the emotions of the day and of the memories which I will take with me to the grave, so as a fellow fan I can fully feel your pain.
Is the damage done irreparable or is there some hope that the Bury phoenix can rise from the ashes?

EDIT - that's ******** I wrote there, I can do nothing more than imagine your pain, not 'feel' it.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:26 pm

Trivia question
Don’t google it !!

I couldn’t go to the away leg so remember listening to this on the radio whilst watching another very big game on terrestrial TV.
It was a masterclass of a performance from a great team (I’m talking about the Clarets !)

What other big game was also played that evening ?

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:36 pm

Remember the first leg being a very niggly match and think Francis was lucky to get away with a sending off for throwing a punch at their full back. Remember my dad saying it wasn’t a bad result as they hadn’t got an away goal I wasn’t so sure.

My dad was a teacher and his head said he could take the day off to travel to the 2nd leg but he chose not to much to my disgust. Instead I played cricket for Rawtenstall under 15’s away at Tod. I knew we were 2.1 up by the time the cricket match finished then I had to listen to the remainder of the game on the journey home to Rawtenstall on my Walkman as my dad refused to have the radio on as he was too nervous! When the third went in he nearly crashed the car!! My oldest brother had travelled down to Plymouth and returned home to see flags and scarves handing out of every window!

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:37 pm

TVC15 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:26 pm
Trivia question
Don’t google it !!

I couldn’t go to the away leg so remember listening to this on the radio whilst watching another very big game on terrestrial TV.
It was a masterclass of a performance from a great team (I’m talking about the Clarets !)

What other big game was also played that evening ?

European Cup Final??

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:39 pm

jamesisaburyfan wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:39 pm
... please indulge me and watch my favourite ever goal by a Bury player at 2m 40s and listen to the reaction of club commentator Paul Greenlees. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ry2ik

That's a good watch thanks, James.

Good to see Stan and it's always fun to watch Preston losing.

All the best at Bury - really hope to see your club back on its feet as soon as possible and in good hands. Long live Bury!

jtv · Post by **jtv** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:40 pm

Weren't Plymouth unbeaten at home that season and had won their last league match something like 8-1?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:42 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:37 pm
European Cup Final??

Yep
Which teams ? What was the score ?

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:47 pm

It was a mad season .... We scored 55 goals at home in the regular season, more than any other Club in the top four divisions, with a home record of 17 - 4 - 2 ...... but only won 4 times away from Turf Moor, and still got promoted !

jamesisaburyfan · Post by **jamesisaburyfan** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:52 pm

Rowls wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:39 pm
That's a good watch thanks, James.

Good to see Stan and it's always fun to watch Preston losing.

All the best at Bury - really hope to see your club back on its feet as soon as possible and in good hands. Long live Bury!

Thanks Rowls. The first game of that season on the highlights video is actually a win at Turf Moor in the Lancashire Cup. Mark Carter and Lenny scored our goals. Whether or not you'll get your wish is a matter for debate; there's been so much in-fighting amongst the fanbase, between those who want the original club saved and those who want a phoenix, it's untrue. I've lost so much enthusiasm for my future watching of the game, concentrating instead on looking back.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:55 pm

TVC15 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:42 pm
Yep
Which teams ? What was the score ?

Was it Barcelona winning at Wembley when Koeman scored a free kick? This might have actually been the Cup Winners Cup game!

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:02 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:55 pm
Was it Barcelona winning at Wembley when Koeman scored a free kick? This might have actually been the Cup Winners Cup game!

Nope - but you got one of the finalists correct !

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:05 pm

TVC15 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:42 pm
Yep
Which teams ? What was the score ?

I went down to Plymouth with my 14 yr old son on Rossendale Clarets. Stopped at a place called Buckfastleigh( butterfly farm.there?) where we had a few drinks and were met by former claret Andy Wharton who came from Rossendale.
Think the European Cup final was a 4-0 victory to AC Milan v Barcelona? I know who the referee.was,though because we were only a couple of doors apart in halls in out first year as.students His.name was Phil Don.

kritichris · Post by **kritichris** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:25 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:05 pm
I went down to Plymouth with my 14 yr old son on Rossendale Clarets. Stopped at a place called Buckfastleigh( butterfly farm.there?) where we had a few drinks and were met by former claret Andy Wharton who came from Rossendale.

I'd forgotten about that. Always a good do with steve and bev, never failed to have a pre-match pint or 2.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:49 pm

Any vids of second leg at Plymouth

kritichris · Post by **kritichris** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:56 pm

Rowls wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:05 pm
Return game here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE8lEVG6lHc

They were very, VERY feisty affairs.

cricketfield73 · Post by **cricketfield73** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:04 pm

After starting this thread, YouTube now thinks that I'm well into Plymouth Argyle videos so inevitably I got sucked into watching some real rubbish this afternoon!
Anyway, you'd have to be of a 'certain' age, but does anyone recognise the man being interviewed in the linked video?

https://youtu.be/kuR5AgTEU7Q?t=1374

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:14 pm

Ten men, we only need ten men! 0-0

Ten men, you're better with ten men! 3-1 Mighty Clarets

Journey home from Turf Moor, the Mways were full of Plymouth fans, gloating.

Wife worked at the village school. Her colleague was from Plymouth. "All the family are coming up for Wembley. Then we are all going together, from my house. They'll be sleeping on my floor. Really ooking forward to it!"

Then along came Johnny Francis!
Great drive home and my wife told her friend all about our Wembley visit, afterwards!

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:25 pm

cricketfield73 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:04 pm
After starting this thread, YouTube now thinks that I'm well into Plymouth Argyle videos so inevitably I got sucked into watching some real rubbish this afternoon!
Anyway, you'd have to be of a 'certain' age, but does anyone recognise the man being interviewed in the linked video?

https://youtu.be/kuR5AgTEU7Q?t=1374

Tony Waiters ? I'm sure he was Plymouth Manager the year they got promotion ....

claretfern · Post by **claretfern** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:00 pm

First game I took my lad on.

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:23 am

Sausage wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:54 am
Mark Briggs' commentary though.

"What is the Argyll defence doing you wonder?"

mikeS · Post by **mikeS** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:39 am

I was working in London at the time and my boss gave me two half-days off to travel down and back. Travelled down from Paddington at lunch time and got down there around tea time (I hadn't realised Plymouth was a four-to-five hour journey from London). It's one of the most picturesque railway journeys in Britain that goes along the coast in places. Got to the cheap B&B place I'd booked and dumped my bag and set off for the ground. A good following from Burnley fans who were all on the open end behind the goal. Fortunately the weather was good. It was another Night to Remember after the Clarets went a goal down, only for SJF to score a great equaliser goal, cutting the Plymouth defence in half scoring in the corner and doing the dance. John Francis was magic that night after receiving a load of stick in the early part of the game and Shilton's men couldn't handle him

I remember at the end of the game being held behind and the stones chucked over the wall by the sulky Plymouth idiots, before being taken off across the pitch by Plymouths boys in blue. More fun coming off through the Plymouth end but most of the idiots had dispersed by then and I got back to the digs to watch the goals again on the local TV. Up at 4:00am and missed breakfast in the B&B to catch the milk train back to London and back in work at lunchtime.

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:48 am

claretfern wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:00 pm
First game I took my lad on.

How're you keeping, " claretfern " ? The garden's never looked better at this time of year down at " Clarets4me " Towers ...
How's the lad doing ?

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:27 am

SJF hanging on the fence at York......or his performance at Plymouth... The best of these two?

Its a toughie.

I'm gonna say equally brilliant.