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These people you refer to would be Lbour voting remainers I assume?Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:25 pmThat's why people are saying he's the worst Prime Minister we've ever had, he's a lying chancer.
Don't know why anybody thinks that has changed.
Agreed Vino, I logged out only to log in to say I'm logging out again. Can't move for damn political threads, too many. UTC.Vino blanco wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:26 pmI've had enough of this crap, time to log out for quite a while.
Like I care about Brexit.Barry_Chuckle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:32 pmThese people you refer to would be Lbour voting remainers I assume?
You've not really got over Brexit have you, time to move on mate.
Created by successive governments, both Labour and Toryboatshed bill wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:19 pmEven as a Labour voter, I doubt Corbyn could have done any better. But the curerent healthcare problem is one (to some extent) created by Tory cuts.
Yes, you are probably right. But most socialists would describe Blair as a closet tory, which is probably how he got in.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:51 pmCreated by successive governments, both Labour and Tory
From Fullfact.org -KateR wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:53 pmnever seen so many uneducated people have so much to say about so little they don't have a clue about.
You just couldn't stick with your Boris Bashing thread could you, was it because Tony threatened you that you had to start another one, I mean really you are a pathetic bunch of little moaning old men, remind me so much of my grandfather when I was little. He knew everything also, I'm beginning to despair, the usual clique rapidly turning into a cult, que Andrew, your, leader to be along soon to educate his comrades.
Plus this will be like chum in the water for a great white like Ringo, sad really, very sad.
Wrongo is a joke, everybody's had him and his other accounts on their ignore list for years.KateR wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:53 pmnever seen so many uneducated people have so much to say about so little they don't have a clue about.
You just couldn't stick with your Boris Bashing thread could you, was it because Tony threatened you that you had to start another one, I mean really you are a pathetic bunch of little moaning old men, remind me so much of my grandfather when I was little. He knew everything also, I'm beginning to despair, the usual clique rapidly turning into a cult, que Andrew, your, leader to be along soon to educate his comrades.
Plus this will be like chum in the water for a great white like Ringo, sad really, very sad.
Is this the sane person that went to a bloody council meeting when he was supposed to be on lock down?IanMcL wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:21 pmManufacturers of medical equipment passed over by Government in favour of consortia, without experience...who are yet to produce anything.
Hospitals and other key personnel like care workers, remain without personal protection equipment.
Ventilators woefully lacking.
UK missed the bulk order set up by EU at best rates and fastest delivery.
Very few people tested, owing to hardly any testing kits.
Only USA is worse thanks to Ostrich President, who thinks it will disappear by Easter.
PM Johnson and his cronies are inadequate and favouring their buddies.
Mr C....unknown. He could still be pondering, although he seemed very sharp at the last PMQs.
I hope we all survive Mr Johnson.
While the government is creating fully functioning and staffed hospitals to treat, literally 1000's of patients, out of thin airKateR wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:53 pmnever seen so many uneducated people have so much to say about so little they don't have a clue about.
You just couldn't stick with your Boris Bashing thread could you, was it because Tony threatened you that you had to start another one, I mean really you are a pathetic bunch of little moaning old men, remind me so much of my grandfather when I was little. He knew everything also, I'm beginning to despair, the usual clique rapidly turning into a cult, que Andrew, your, leader to be along soon to educate his comrades.
Plus this will be like chum in the water for a great white like Ringo, sad really, very sad.
if only you would ignore him, but you don't do you? The funny thing is that so much of what he has said over years is true, you and all the other haters don't like his delivery and I understand why, same with Lowbank lately.Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:00 pmWrongo is a joke, everybody's had him and his other accounts on their ignore list for years.
Why , on earth , would I want to log in under a different user name, when I wipe the floor with each one of your merry band. On a regular and consistent basis. Why give somebody else the credit for winning arguments by simply expressing what the vast majority of right minded people in the real world think?Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:00 pmWrongo is a joke, everybody's had him and his other accounts on their ignore list for years.
Quite the opposite of lockdown at that point!Burnley1989 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:02 pmIs this the sane person that went to a bloody council meeting when he was supposed to be on lock down?
Actually, Tony Blair's Government did more for the health service than any since its creation. Buildings and proper pay for the nurses.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:51 pmCreated by successive governments, both Labour and Tory
Noooo we need the wise old ‘neutral’.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:51 pmI think another 3 month break from this forum could be in order for me...
I don’t think any other party would have aimed at herd immunity - which, in the absence of a vaccine is just a kind of eugenics in this country (small and joined up). I also don’t think any other party would have passed up the opportunity to work with the EU to source equipment and work together. From these two points, I’d also say any other party would have gone for a greater testing regime.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:19 pmEven as a Labour voter, I doubt Corbyn could have done any better. But the curerent healthcare problem is one (to some extent) created by Tory cuts.
From Fullfsct.org -
Your contribution is to insult people. That's not a complaint, but an observation. You've suggested before that my posts are boring. Now that you've described Ringo as a "great white" I understand you're not talking about my style of writing, but my opinions. You're always welcome to discuss these with me, but I get the impression from your insults you'd rather me be silent, as though unwilling to even contemplate ideas that challenge your "truths". As Thatcher (who I sometimes wonder whether you're attempting to emulate) once said; "When they attack me personally, I know they haven't got a political argument left".KateR wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:53 pmnever seen so many uneducated people have so much to say about so little they don't have a clue about.
You just couldn't stick with your Boris Bashing thread could you, was it because Tony threatened you that you had to start another one, I mean really you are a pathetic bunch of little moaning old men, remind me so much of my grandfather when I was little. He knew everything also, I'm beginning to despair, the usual clique rapidly turning into a cult, que Andrew, your, leader to be along soon to educate his comrades.
Plus this will be like chum in the water for a great white like Ringo, sad really, very sad.
At this stage it makes no difference with the testing kits, with or without confirmation you are still supposed to be in isolation confined indoors unless it’s essential & the measures implemented are designed to avoid infection, if you are confirmed or suspected with the symptoms there’s no treatment or vaccine yet, for all intent & purposes having the kits now will be of little benefit to the joe public, I understand the need & a greater sense of urgency for the frontline workers.AndrewJB wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:36 pmI don’t think any other party would have aimed at herd immunity - which, in the absence of a vaccine is just a kind of eugenics in this country (small and joined up). I also don’t think any other party would have passed up the opportunity to work with the EU to source equipment and work together. From these two points, I’d also say any other party would have gone for a greater testing regime.
The biggest problems we face now are; not enough equipment, and not enough testing. We don’t know where the cases will come from, and can only guess how many will come. It’s a purely reactive regime - and this means we can’t allocate resources intelligently.
The initial aim at herd immunity (eugenics - let those who won’t make it die) meant the government could avoid the expense of millions of testing kits, and also keep everything business as usual (until they or the public realised the scale of the casualties), and so were a week or so late with everything else - allowing the virus to spread beyond their control. That’s how I see it, and I can’t imagine another party putting money before people in that way.
Sunak’s budget reprieve for families was therefore a weak late. And then it took another week before he had anything for the self employed. He looked after business first, and then small business. I don’t think any other party would have had this priority.
So I think things could have been quite different under Labour or the LibDems, or pretty much any combination of others. My opinion, of course, and I’ve insulted nobody in presenting it.
USA is the worst and their president thinks it will be gone by Easter.CardyTheClaret wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:54 pmChina? Spain? Italy? Germany? France?
Ah, you don’t have an agenda against any of those countries leaders. Seriously, stop being a dick.
Andrew,AndrewJB wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:33 amYour contribution is to insult people. That's not a complaint, but an observation. You've suggested before that my posts are boring. Now that you've described Ringo as a "great white" I understand you're not talking about my style of writing, but my opinions. You're always welcome to discuss these with me, but I get the impression from your insults you'd rather me be silent, as though unwilling to even contemplate ideas that challenge your "truths". As Thatcher (who I sometimes wonder whether you're attempting to emulate) once said; "When they attack me personally, I know they haven't got a political argument left".
Is that the same proper pay that Corbyn and his labour supporters are blaming a conservative government for not paying our nurses a fair wage???
Dr Richard Horton of The Lancet:TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:42 amFairly pointless discussing what another PM/party might or might not have done but I see no issue in sensible conversation about what has been done to date, however I don't think we'll know the impact of the decisions until we get this under control.
The result hasn't been chaos and panic across the NHS. There are many Trusts that have seen a noticeable drop in demand in the last few weeks - A&E attendances down, emergency admissions down, delayed transfers of care down. The NHS and other government departments have done a great deal to prepare in a very short period of time. Things are about to get really difficult for NHS and other public bodies but they will be ready to respond as best they can - the planning and mobilisation effort has been immense.Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:48 amDr Richard Horton of The Lancet:
The government’s Contain-Delay-Mitigate-Research plan had failed. “It failed, in part, because ministers didn’t follow WHO’s advice to ‘test, test, test’ every suspected case. They didn’t isolate and quarantine. They didn’t contact trace.
“These basic principles of public health and infectious disease control were ignored, for reasons that remain opaque.
“The result has been chaos and panic across the NHS.”
Dr Horton’s warning came as the UK saw its biggest day-on-day rise in deaths since the Covid-19 outbreak began, while Boris Johnson and Matt Hancock said they had tested positive for the virus and frontline testing of NHS workers was set to begin.
Dr Horton also expressed concerns over the government’s new Suppress-Shield-Treat-Palliate plan. “This plan, agreed far too late in the course of the outbreak, has left the NHS wholly unprepared for the surge of severely and critically ill patients that will soon come,” he wrote.
It is hard to imagine anyone doing a worse job than Johnson, no wonder he's now known as "the worst Prime Minister in history."
That's a pathetic response. Do you not realise that there are different views from experts and Dr Horton is just one opinion?.Which bit about my post did you particularly disagree with? Demand down in many Trusts? It's all well a good sitting on the sidelines pointing the finger but the response from so many public bodies including the NHS has been tremendous.
The problem is that not every area of the country is the same, and because we didn’t test and trace at the beginning, we lost the initiative over the virus, so it could become a problem (or not) just about anywhere. When the government ordered a partial lockdown, a lot of people travelled to second homes, making this potentially worse.taio wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:04 amThe result hasn't been chaos and panic across the NHS. There are many Trusts that have seen a noticeable drop in demand in the last few weeks - A&E attendances down, emergency admissions down, delayed transfers of care down. The NHS and other government departments have done a great deal to prepare in a very short period of time. Things are about to get really difficult for NHS and other public bodies but they will be ready to respond as best they can - the planning and mobilisation effort has been immense.
Yes it could and is likely to become a problem everywhere. I'm saying it's incredible what the NHS and the public bodies have done and continue to do to prepare for that. Substantial initivitaves planned and implemented in days or sometimes hours, which would normally take months.AndrewJB wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:35 amThe problem is that not every area of the country is the same, and because we didn’t test and trace at the beginning, we lost the initiative over the virus, so it could become a problem (or not) just about anywhere. When the government ordered a partial lockdown, a lot of people travelled to second homes, making this potentially worse.