Donald Trump

PeterWilton · Post by **PeterWilton** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:10 pm

Quicknick wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:59 pm
You can think what you want.

As can you. The difference being that what I think changes depending on the evidence.

keith1879 · Post by **keith1879** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:49 pm

Right_winger wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:46 am
What are you going on about?

Trump isn’t a facist or doing facist things. He’s playing up to his supporter base like all politicians do. He hasn’t oppressed anyone or dictated anything. In fact if you looked a little harder he’s actually done quite well harbouring peace with hostile nations/leaders.

No one cared 2 hoots about Trump until he was a threat to the establishment when he was running for president.
That’s when the smear campaigns started. Yes Trump is no angel, but he isn’t the devil reincarnated that his opponents would make you believe either.

An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (1922–43), and the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also Fascist. ( Oxford Dictionary def of Fascism.) Trump is clearly authoritarian nationalistic and right wing. He doesn't have a uniformed movement of supporters but those crowds of vacuous air-headed sh*theads shouting "Lock her up" in 2016 reminded me very much of nazi rallies.

HahaYeah · Post by **HahaYeah** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:32 pm

Trump rallies are GREAT. Lock her up!

Should have locked Killary Clinton up with Bill C and Tony Blair for good measure.

Still, at least Trump isn't a Communist.

PeterWilton · Post by **PeterWilton** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:29 pm

keith1879 wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:49 pm
An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (1922–43), and the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also Fascist. ( Oxford Dictionary def of Fascism.) Trump is clearly authoritarian nationalistic and right wing. He doesn't have a uniformed movement of supporters but those crowds of vacuous air-headed sh*theads shouting "Lock her up" in 2016 reminded me very much of nazi rallies.

They have a uniform, of sorts. We call them Red Hats because of it.

PeterWilton · Post by **PeterWilton** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:30 pm

HahaYeah wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:32 pm
Trump rallies are GREAT. Lock her up!

Should have locked Killary Clinton up with Bill C and Tony Blair for good measure.

Still, at least Trump isn't a Communist.

I'm actually embarrassed on your behalf.

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:31 pm

PeterWilton wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:29 pm
They have a uniform, of sorts. We call them Red Hats because of it.

just out of interest and to be sure, who is/are we?

PeterWilton · Post by **PeterWilton** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:11 pm

KateR wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:31 pm
just out of interest and to be sure, who is/are we?

Anti-fascists.

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:27 pm

enlightening as always

Bullabill · Post by **Bullabill** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:48 am

BenWickes wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:44 am
Had to laugh at Trump's explanation for the California fires. ''Bad forest management'', ''it'll get cooler you'll see'' but my favourite, referring to Australia's fires.... '"They have very explosive trees''

That's not so far off the mark. Poor forest management is indeed a leading reason for the severity of major fires. Regular controlled burning of the forest floor fuel/debris is essential to keep the major fire risk low. And regarding very explosive Australian trees, Eucalypts do 'explode' in a big fire and they go up with a fearful roar.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:59 am

If anybody supports Donald, they lose. I don't think anybody on here supports him.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:34 am

HahaYeah wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:32 pm
Trump rallies are GREAT. Lock her up!

Should have locked Killary Clinton up with Bill C and Tony Blair for good measure.

Still, at least Trump isn't a Communist.

Have all your 98 posts been this **** ?

PeterWilton · Post by **PeterWilton** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:23 am

KateR wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:27 pm
enlightening as always

Do you ask questions just to be annoyed by the answers? You asked, I answered.

PeterWilton · Post by **PeterWilton** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:28 am

Bullabill wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:48 am
That's not so far off the mark. Poor forest management is indeed a leading reason for the severity of major fires. Regular controlled burning of the forest floor fuel/debris is essential to keep the major fire risk low. And regarding very explosive Australian trees, Eucalypts do 'explode' in a big fire and they go up with a fearful roar.

Maybe that's part of the hoax. As well hundreds of thousands of scientists all around the world, all the hottest areas with forests are managed by climate hoaxes who are steadily, year on year, managing their forests worse and worse.

PeterWilton · Post by **PeterWilton** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:35 am

Trump's Town Hall tonight was a train wreck. He's blaming Biden for there not being a national mask mandate. Lol.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:44 am

waiters

https://twitter.com/EllenKurz/status/13 ... 10113?s=20

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:39 am

He’ll watch that back and his first instinct will be to jump on twitter and claim Biden isn’t mentally competent.

PeterWilton · Post by **PeterWilton** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:44 am

Exploding trees
Herd mentality
Cancer/Covid confusion
Biden hasn't fixed covid

Those strokes he suffered from has really messed up what little there was of his mind.

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:41 pm

I mean me, personally, I listen to people like Bob Zybach, but how silly am I, I should have been listening all the time to the resident expert about everything, trees do literally explode by the way, but you can probably tell me why they don't. Jut to be absolutely clear I am a big believer in global warming, and it will have contributed no doubt but it's not the root cause

https://dailycaller.com/2020/09/13/cali ... te-change/

PeterWilton · Post by **PeterWilton** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:19 pm

KateR wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:41 pm
I mean me, personally, I listen to people like Bob Zybach, but how silly am I, I should have been listening all the time to the resident expert about everything, trees do literally explode by the way, but you can probably tell me why they don't. Jut to be absolutely clear I am a big believer in global warming, and it will have contributed no doubt but it's not the root cause

https://dailycaller.com/2020/09/13/cali ... te-change/

Not mentioned on that far-right "news" website where so many of their writers are outted as white supremacists, only a tiny fraction of the forests in the western US is controlled by the states. Most of the forests are controlled by federal agencies - ie. Agencies that Trump is in charge of.

In case you were unaware, the daily caller is not a reliable source of fact-based information. And because they're more Pro-trump than pro-news you'll find they like to omit inconvenient facts like the fact that Trump controlled agencies are responsible for the majority of the land they're saying is being poorly managed.

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:42 pm

Peter, you can go read Bob Zybach on many platforms, you can read his books, he isn't just coming out of the woodwork saying this, so please don't try to portray him as a pro Trump supporter. We all know that the federal agencies control the land and fires, the issue if you read it (and in many other places) is that no one since Clinton took the time to listen, assess and change, including both Republican and Democrat governments. Why, because it was no big deal, well now it is but don't be myopic and try to look beyond your Trump blame game and him being solely responsible for people being killed and many more losing homes/cars/livelihoods, a disaster 30 years in the making.

It's kind of the perfect storm, years of drying out, years of mismanaging the forests and now it's clicked.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:42 pm

Wasn’t the Daily Caller founded by Tucker Carlson?

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:03 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:42 pm
Wasn’t the Daily Caller founded by Tucker Carlson?

If you're asking me I have no idea, I have no idea who he is was and for the record I think it is irrelevant to what he, BZ, believes and what he has said for a long time, however here is an alternative view from a different source that refutes his logic, where he provided the same statements back in 2017.

https://www.thewildlifenews.com/2017/10 ... ommentary/

So you can read and try to come to your own conclusions, I have done that, and I'm pretty sure many on here have also done so with no research beyond the news headlines/highlights and the fact it pertains to Trump, that in itself is reason enough for it all to be his fault.

Additionally, and just for info, GW also published a book, in 2006 I believe, called Wildfire: A Century of Failed Forest Policy, so in reality, while both don't agree on the actual cause and effect they do agree with the point that both believe it is the failed policy's that go way beyond just Trump.

In reading both and some of my own thoughts I just tend to think blaming Trump is an easy way out and allows some posters to jump on the bandwagon of the main thrust of this thread from day one.

PeterWilton · Post by **PeterWilton** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:11 am

All Lives Matter*

*not including lived in states that vote Democratic in presidential elections.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:21 am

Peterwilson reminds me of that other far left nutter who got banned for posting nonsense at this hour, Taffy or whatever he was called

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:25 am

This is brilliant.
Hope he wins a 2nd term
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 97632?s=09

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:30 am

PeterWilton wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:10 pm
As can you. The difference being that what I think changes depending on the evidence.

Your version of the evidence.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:31 am

PeterWilton wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:11 am
All Lives Matter*

*not including lived in states that vote Democratic in presidential elections.

Are you short of sleep?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:44 am

Damo wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:25 am
This is brilliant.
Hope he wins a 2nd term
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 97632?s=09

why ?

PeterWilton · Post by **PeterWilton** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:36 am

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:44 am
why ?

Because fascists like it when fascists win.

PeterWilton · Post by **PeterWilton** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:37 am

Quicknick wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:30 am
Your version of the evidence.

No. The evidence. It might be something you and the politicians you support do, but I'm not in the habit of changing the evidence to fit my opinions.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:41 am

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:44 am
why ?

We were told on here that he wouldn't win the first election.
Then he'd be out of office by the end of his first year.
That he'd be thrown out for corruption.
He's a Russian spy.
He'd ruin the country.

Several other things too, mostly by Turtle who will probably cry if Trump gets in again and that makes it worthwhile all by itself.

Oddly Trump still has a 43% approval rating.

Now I'm not saying Trump is any good, or isn't in cahoots with the Russians, but he still seems fairly popular.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:02 am

Embracing fascism to own the libs.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:07 am

PeterWilton wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:37 am
No. The evidence. It might be something you and the politicians you support do, but I'm not in the habit of changing the evidence to fit my opinions.

Neither do I. Just tell me how it is, with C-19 cases on the rise in the UK, hospitals are almost empty. Only one statistic counts - the death rate. And FROM C-19, not WITH it.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:09 am

You just knew that when turtle returned under his new name the Trump thread was going to prove too hard for him to leave alone.

We are a few days at most from a full on rant at someone complete with 4 or 5 words a sentence in asterisks, telling someone how dumb they are and how intelligent he is. Tick tock.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:09 am

PeterWilton wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:36 am
Because fascists like it when fascists win.

Typical misuse of 'fascist' by a left-wing pinko.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:11 am

https://mashable.com/video/seth-meyers- ... ashable%29

A bit of a lighter look at the would-be Dictator

HahaYeah · Post by **HahaYeah** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:32 pm

Trump was right.

The jury is in on Hydroxychloroquine – ‘it saves lives’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q5teMsw2h4

PeterWilton · Post by **PeterWilton** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:33 pm

Quicknick wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:09 am
Typical misuse of 'fascist' by a left-wing pinko.

Hardly. Trump is doing fascism. That makes him a fascist. And anyone who wants him to succeed is a fascist too.

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:38 pm

PeterWilton wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:33 pm
Hardly. Trump is doing fascism. That makes him a fascist. And anyone who wants him to succeed is a fascist too.

you forgot to add "in my humble opinion" or FACT.

PeterWilton · Post by **PeterWilton** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:38 pm

HahaYeah wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:32 pm
Trump was right.

The jury is in on Hydroxychloroquine – ‘it saves lives’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q5teMsw2h4

Wanting something to be true because your cult leader says it's true doesn't make it true.

I'll believe the World Health Organisation over a random Right-wing commentator, if you don't mind.

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detai ... d-covid-19

Injecting disinfectant will work though. Give that a try if you get a cough.

PeterWilton · Post by **PeterWilton** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:42 pm

KateR wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:38 pm
you forgot to add "in my humble opinion" or FACT.

I think most people are smart enough to discern opinion from statements of fact. I know some people like to pretend they're not in order to avoid dealing with the opinions or facts offered, but I'm not interested in wasting time with those people, Kate.

PeterWilton · Post by **PeterWilton** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:55 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:41 am
We were told on here that he wouldn't win the first election.
Then he'd be out of office by the end of his first year.
That he'd be thrown out for corruption.
He's a Russian spy.
He'd ruin the country.

Several other things too, mostly by Turtle who will probably cry if Trump gets in again and that makes it worthwhile all by itself.

Oddly Trump still has a 43% approval rating.

Now I'm not saying Trump is any good, or isn't in cahoots with the Russians, but he still seems fairly popular.

He is very popular among the worst kind of people, and there are a lot of those people, unfortunately, which is why even if he loses in November it isn't going to be the end of fascism in America.

If he does win though it won't be a democratic victory give how ratfucked the electoral system is by the Republicans pre-2016 they were bad, and 2016 was even worse because it was the first since the conservatives gutted the voting rights act, but this year its going to be on a whole new level now that Republicans are once again gonna be allowed to intimidate voters at polling stations.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... ld-tactics

The republicans can't fairly win a presidential election. This is why election models don't favour Biden to win until he wins the popular vote by 3 or 4 points. And in a popular vote tie none of them think Biden can win. Democrats need landslides just to guarantee victory.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:11 pm

PeterWilton wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:33 pm
Hardly. Trump is doing fascism. That makes him a fascist. And anyone who wants him to succeed is a fascist too.

Drivel. Trump has lots of faults but how do you work out he's 'doing fascism', as you quaintly put it?

HahaYeah · Post by **HahaYeah** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:23 pm

PeterWilton wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:38 pm
Wanting something to be true because your cult leader says it's true doesn't make it true.

I'll believe the World Health Organisation over a random Right-wing commentator, if you don't mind.

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detai ... d-covid-19

Injecting disinfectant will work though. Give that a try if you get a cough.

Everyone is 'Right wing' to you because you are a condescending, finger wagging, radical lefty nutcase and that's why people despise you.

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” - Orwell.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:29 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:41 am
We were told on here that he wouldn't win the first election.
Then he'd be out of office by the end of his first year.
That he'd be thrown out for corruption.
He's a Russian spy.
He'd ruin the country.

Several other things too, mostly by Turtle who will probably cry if Trump gets in again and that makes it worthwhile all by itself.

Oddly Trump still has a 43% approval rating.

Now I'm not saying Trump is any good, or isn't in cahoots with the Russians, but he still seems fairly popular.

He defends Putin though so he clearly is in cahoots with them.

Alexei Navalny: Trump refuses to condemn Russia over poisoning

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54039710

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:37 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:41 am

Oddly Trump still has a 43% approval rating.

Now I'm not saying Trump is any good, or isn't in cahoots with the Russians, but he still seems fairly popular.

That's sadly true.
It's also the scariest aspect of the mess that's USA just now.

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:38 pm

PeterWilton wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:42 pm
I think most people are smart enough to discern opinion from statements of fact. I know some people like to pretend they're not in order to avoid dealing with the opinions or facts offered, but I'm not interested in wasting time with those people, Kate.

unfortunately I am one of those people who are not smart enough to know on many of you posts because you are an expert in general sweeping statements that take in whole swaths of people, which in reality makes your posts somewhat redundant as offering anything worth while other than something to critique you on, while offering little to nothing in terms of valuable thoughts that can be considered and may offer an alternative fact.

Your fascist statement being one

This being another: He is very popular among the worst kind of people, and there are a lot of those people.

Furthermore you pontificate with other posters around reviewing and potentially changing your mind when presented with evidence, yesterday I offered you some evidence regarding the fires on the West Coast that might provide some information as an alternative, to your view of Trump being solely responsible. Your failure to respond to alternative evidence speaks volumes

Anyway I realize I am wasting my time as I am clearly going to be one of those you wont be wasting time on in regard to debate.

NJ_Claret · Post by **NJ_Claret** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:42 pm

I haven’t posted in a few years and just tend to read daily to get my Clarets updates but since I have been broad brush labeled as one of the ‘worst kind of people’, I may as well add TRUMP 2020

to my UTC

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:46 pm

Ah, everyone is a fascist again are they?

PeterWilton · Post by **PeterWilton** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:24 pm

KateR wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:38 pm

Furthermore you pontificate with other posters around reviewing and potentially changing your mind when presented with evidence, yesterday I offered you some evidence regarding the fires on the West Coast that might provide some information as an alternative, to your view of Trump being solely responsible. Your failure to respond to alternative evidence speaks volumes

I remember that post. I didn't think it was worth responding to because you, for some reason, decided I was blaming Trump for the fires. I try not to reply to people when they make **** up about me. It only encourages them.