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Interesting Statistic on our Home Attendances

Post by Siddo » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:03 am

Just seen a stat on home attendances in 69 70 season. Our average was a bit less than 16500..
Every other team was 20k plus.

I've got to admit I'm a bit surprised at how low it was.

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Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:15 am

I was only a lad at the time so can't remember whether some redevelopment was taking place ? CFS ?

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Post by claretblue » Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:24 am

early 60's our average was around 25000 reducing to circa 16000 10 years on

we were always approx. 10000 lower than other 1st division clubs and it impacted seriously on revenue!

Although the rumour that Bob Lord massaged the attendance figures to avoid tax seemed to have some truth...I often read attendance figure in Sunday paper and it was usually appreciably lower than what seemed in the ground! :?

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Re: Interesting Statistic on our Home Attendances

Post by Paul Waine » Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:27 am

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:15 am
I was only a lad at the time so can't remember whether some redevelopment was taking place ? CFS ?
I'm scratching through my memory banks. I remember as a teenager going on the old CFS terraces - start of 67/68 season. It may have been towards the end of 1967 that the old CFS was demolished. Never been in the "new" CFS, so can't remember whether it opened for start of 1969/70 season. Around that time my favourite spot was at the very top of the Bee Hole End, a foot up on the railings at the back, if I needed the extra height to see over a full crowd.

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Re: Interesting Statistic on our Home Attendances

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:49 am

Hardly surprising, we're a small town with a small support

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Re: Interesting Statistic on our Home Attendances

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:10 am

I don't know about the other clubs but our average attendance was 16,452 in 1969/70 even though it included five attendances over 20,000 of which one was over 26,000 and another over 28,000.

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Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:25 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:27 am
I'm scratching through my memory banks. I remember as a teenager going on the old CFS terraces - start of 67/68 season. It may have been towards the end of 1967 that the old CFS was demolished. Never been in the "new" CFS, so can't remember whether it opened for start of 1969/70 season. Around that time my favourite spot was at the very top of the Bee Hole End, a foot up on the railings at the back, if I needed the extra height to see over a full crowd.

Happy days, going to football.

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My favourite spot was in the Beehole End to the left of the goal, a few yards back,as you looked down towards the pitch. Fabulous times but still not immune to the odd spot of crowd bother, particularly before they started sectioning off the Longside. Or driving snow.
Funnily enough, I guess because they were all -ticket, I opted to go in the Cricket Field "Shed" for the Fairs Cup matches.
Napoli at home ! What a night !
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Re: Interesting Statistic on our Home Attendances

Post by claretblue » Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:39 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:25 pm
Napoli at home ! What a night !
Napoli away was quite notable too! ;)

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Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:40 pm

Only a lad so missed it but the reports and photos were pretty hair-raising.

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Post by Buxtonclaret » Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:53 pm

claretblue wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:24 am
early 60's our average was around 25000 reducing to circa 16000 10 years on

Although the rumour that Bob Lord massaged the attendance figures to avoid tax seemed to have some truth...I often read attendance figure in Sunday paper and it was usually appreciably lower than what seemed in the ground! :?
My Dad & I thought there were a few thousand knocked off the official gate many times. Especially for the 'bigger' games.

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Post by ClaretTony » Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:55 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:25 pm
Napoli at home ! What a night !
Never witnessed anything like it before or since - amazing night

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Re: Interesting Statistic on our Home Attendances

Post by Paul Waine » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:25 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:10 am
I don't know about the other clubs but our average attendance was 16,452 in 1969/70 even though it included five attendances over 20,000 of which one was over 26,000 and another over 28,000.
I had a letter published in Football League magazine around this time (or 68/69). At least my memory tells me it was called "Football League." It came free with match day programme, I think. (Anyone on here still got their collection)? I'd written in response to a ManU fan would said Burnley had the quietest fans. I think my response was on the lines of our fans weren't quiet - just not as many of us to be heard when the "big city" clubs arrived with their hoards.

Some may appreciate these statistical nuances, I was claiming we were loud "per capita" - we just didn't have as many "per capitas" as the big city clubs.

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Post by ClaretTony » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:30 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:25 pm
I had a letter published in Football League magazine around this time (or 68/69). At least my memory tells me it was called "Football League." It came free with match day programme, I think. (Anyone on here still got their collection)? I'd written in response to a ManU fan would said Burnley had the quietest fans. I think my response was on the lines of our fans weren't quiet - just not as many of us to be heard when the "big city" clubs arrived with their hoards.

Some may appreciate these statistical nuances, I was claiming we were loud "per capita" - we just didn't have as many "per capitas" as the big city clubs.

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Was it called the League Review?

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Post by Paul Waine » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:46 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:30 pm
Was it called the League Review?
HI CT, "thanks. Football League Review Magazine" - just found it on Facebook. "The official journal of the Football League." Started 1965, it says.

I'm not on FB - but may be by the time we get out of lockdown.

The little bit I can see on FB shows 5p cover charge, but we didn't have "p's" until 1971, when we went decimal.

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Post by ClaretTony » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:52 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:46 pm
HI CT, "thanks. Football League Review Magazine" - just found it on Facebook. "The official journal of the Football League." Started 1965, it says.

I'm not on FB - but may be by the time we get out of lockdown.

The little bit I can see on FB shows 5p cover charge, but we didn't have "p's" until 1971, when we went decimal.
Not sure how long it lasted but they were usually free and just stuck in the match programmes

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Post by Claretforever » Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:05 pm

We lost 7,000 fans overnight when Jimmy McIlroy was sold to Stoke. I’m comparing the seasons 1962 v 1964 as the remainder of 1962-63 season the crowds plummeted and dropped the average, eg, v Birmingham late in the season we got 14,350, but when we played Leyton Orient (another poor fixture) earlier in the season we had 24,778.

1960 - 26,978
1961 - 23,827
1962 - 27,125
1963 - 25,180
1964 - 19,755
1965 - 15,739
1966 - 19,968
1967 - 20,508
1968 - 17,435
1969 - 16,073
1970 - 16,452
1971 - 16,156

Recession? Football violence? Other factors too? We’d been a top side for years and began finishing 14th every season.

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Post by Claretforever » Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:10 pm

To add to the above, in 1962 Burnley were the 10th best supported club in the country. By 1965 we’d dropped to 28th whilst still in the First Division. We were 30th by 1970-71 season.

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Post by Quicknick » Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:28 pm

I remember several games between 67 and 71 when we got 12 or 13K on.

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Post by basil6345789 » Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:16 pm

I recall seeing an article in about 67, stating that, given their catchment areas, West Brom and Burnley were the 2 best supported clubs. We were just less than 21k and The Throstles were just over 21k.

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Post by Paul Waine » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:47 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:52 pm
Not sure how long it lasted but they were usually free and just stuck in the match programmes
Free in the match programmes is also how I remember them. As a teenager, often needing to hitch from Accy to get to the game, I don't think I had "spare change" to buy programme and FLR.

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Re: Interesting Statistic on our Home Attendances

Post by Buxtonclaret » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:53 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:47 pm
Free in the match programmes is also how I remember them. As a teenager, often needing to hitch from Accy to get to the game, I don't think I had "spare change" to buy programme and FLR.
Used to have a few until recently.
Sadly they were lost when I moved. One contained an article of the CF stand, just after it opened.
The central heating was highlighted. (remember those little gaps at the back of your feet?)
It was only, hear tell, turned on once.
Too expensive. :lol:

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Post by Paul Waine » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:04 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:53 pm
Used to have a few until recently.
Sadly they were lost when I moved. One contained an article of the CF stand, just after it opened.
The central heating was highlighted. (remember those little gaps at the back of your feet?)
It was only, hear tell, turned on once.
Too expensive. :lol:
I remember new CFS opening - but, as posted above, I never went in there. I remember it had CH. I think 1971/72 was the first oil price shock, so I'm not surprised the cost of switching it on very quickly became too expensive, (natural gas, was priced from the oil price back then, so whether boilers were oil fired or nat.gas fired would have been similar costs). We sold Martin Dobson to pay for new Bob Lord stand. I don't think we had anyone left to sell for the CH costs. :o :( ;)

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Post by NewClaret » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:07 pm

Feel the attendances have been disappointing this season, given league position.

Question: if kids for a quid applied to all league games, what difference would it make to attendances? You’ve got to imagine we’d be able to pull in 25k regularly if kids were a quid?

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Post by Claretforever » Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:18 pm

basil6345789 wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:16 pm
I recall seeing an article in about 67, stating that, given their catchment areas, West Brom and Burnley were the 2 best supported clubs. We were just less than 21k and The Throstles were just over 21k.
Town size perhaps. The only difference being that around West Brom you can’t tell we here one tow ends and the next begins as it’s heavily populated. If you look at the satellite image of Burnley there’s an awful lot of fields around our town.

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