Surely ******** where Brady is concerned. We have a one year option on him. Bad journalism.

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/new ... cord-deal/

We might have indicated to Brady we don't want to take up that one year option. I've always been a fan of Brady but based on what he's offered to us in the last couple of years I know I wouldn't want us to spend another years worth of wages on him

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:27 am

Surely ******** where Brady is concerned. We have a one year option on him. Bad journalism.

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/new ... cord-deal/

Doesn't necessarily mean we'll take it though. Could be a problem replacing him mind, no one decent is going to want to come and be McNeils understudy, playing 2 cup games a season.

It's all come from Teamtalk - The Chronicle in Newcastle is now like Lancs Live, they employ copy and pasters to drag articles onto their sites.

Doesn't mean there is nothing in it but Teamtalk makes things up and the Live stable can't wait to jump on it.

They can both go for me

Be ideal for them...they are lifelong pals so a move together would suit them

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:07 am

Be ideal for them...they are lifelong pals so a move together would suit them

I don’t want to lose Hendrick at all but I’m resigned to it sadly. I think this would be good business for all concerned.

jrgbfc wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:42 am

Doesn't necessarily mean we'll take it though. Could be a problem replacing him mind, no one decent is going to want to come and be McNeils understudy, playing 2 cup games a season.

2 cup games?

Oh. I see. 1 game in each cup. I get it.

Would love Jeff to sign.

Brady? Meh...

A striker and a box-to-box midfielder are top of the wishlist and Newcastle are looking to Europe to build around the experienced domestic core they have retained and re-signed. Work on deals has begun.

So which of those roles with Hendrick & Brady fill?

Hendrick leaving would be a massive loss.

It will be interesting to see how the economy of football clubs affect things like this. On paper (at least in simplistic terms) Brady is a £12m asset. Why would you just let one of those go? In reality though no one is ready to come in and buy him, especially considering FFP and how Covid 19 is affecting all clubs with loss of income. If not for that, then he may have been an attractive prospect for a club aiming for Championship promotion. Which pretty much means that Burnley are looking at a ~£2m gamble of extending his contract and hoping he finds some form. Will we be even able to afford £2m though when this is all over for a gamble like that? Will the club just need to hope that a player like Koiki can step in if really needed? Let's face it the only game where Brady has done anything all season was the Chelsea game at 4-0 down, so there's an argument there that you're almost better a youngster getting minutes.

jrgbfc wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:42 am

Doesn't necessarily mean we'll take it though. Could be a problem replacing him mind, no one decent is going to want to come and be McNeils understudy, playing 2 cup games a season.

Not taking it up would be one of the worst business decisions of all time.

We take up the option, ask 4-5 million for him.

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:10 pm

Not taking it up would be one of the worst business decisions of all time.

We take up the option, ask 4-5 million for him.

What happens if noone wants to pay 4 or 5 million for him plus the wages he will currently be on?

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:23 am

A striker and a box-to-box midfielder are top of the wishlist and Newcastle are looking to Europe to build around the experienced domestic core they have retained and re-signed. Work on deals has begun.

So which of those roles with Hendrick & Brady fill?

Technically Brady and Jeff are experienced European players!

I think we get hung up sometimes when mention is made of our players moving on. They can both be replaced. Brownhill for one will be ideal in the Hendrick role, a good footballer with an engine on him and will chip in with a goal or two. I'm sure SD and his team will have already identified Brady's replacement.

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:13 pm

What happens if noone wants to pay 4 or 5 million for him plus the wages he will currently be on?

Even if we got 1 million, it would be better than nothing.

It would cost 280,000 to pay him through July and August

They won't let him walk, it would be a stupid decision.

I’m sure Brownhill has been brought in as Jeff replacement. Good forward thinking.

Holtyclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:21 pm

I’m sure Brownhill has been brought in as Jeff replacement. Good forward thinking.

I thought we brought in Brownhill for the last 8/9 games of the season.

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Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:13 pm

What happens if noone wants to pay 4 or 5 million for him plus the wages he will currently be on?

We will know what the club's finances looked like on 30-Jun-2019 in a few days time.

Of course, the accounts will say nothing about the club's finances over the past few weeks - and the cost if the 2019-20 season isn't completed.

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Holtyclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:16 pm

Technically Brady and Jeff are experienced European players!

Not saying they aren't, but it says they are looking at a box-to-box midfielder and a striker and they are neither of those

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:20 pm

Even if we got 1 million, it would be better than nothing.

It would cost 280,000 to pay him through July and August

They won't let him walk, it would be a stupid decision.

Problem is your logic doesn't add up. Who wants to pay a fee for Brady? You can't just assume that there are clubs lining up to bid for him whether that's for £1m or £5m.

If we grant him a years extension and that's on say £40k a week that's another £2m for a player who's hardly featured for two and a half years.

Even in usual times giving him an extension would be a gamble, but with the economic hit all football clubs are likely to see from Covid 19, it would be stupidity to extend his contract on his current wages to keep him as a back-up player in the hope that another club will pay money to take him off us.

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:42 pm

Not saying they aren't, but it says they are looking at a box-to-box midfielder and a striker and they are neither of those

I think Hendrick is a box-to-box midfielder. I'm not sure he's good enough at that role at this level, and Dyche arguably doesn't play with a box-to-box midfielder, but I think that would be what Hendrick sees as his ideal position.

They will inevitably move on-particularly Hendrick. I think both will struggle to retain a first team place in the PL. If they both went to the same club then they put more pressure on each other to start

I think Robby has been unlucky but has had a chance to impress and not taken it.I think he has not impressed for his country either since his big injury Jay has had the same chance and taken it with both hands. I think Jeff will have a lot to offer a new club as he is quite a versatile player and could see him going to one of the big two in Scotland

ChorltonCharlie wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:40 am

It will be interesting to see how the economy of football clubs affect things like this. On paper (at least in simplistic terms) Brady is a £12m asset. Why would you just let one of those go? In reality though no one is ready to come in and buy him, especially considering FFP and how Covid 19 is affecting all clubs with loss of income. If not for that, then he may have been an attractive prospect for a club aiming for Championship promotion. Which pretty much means that Burnley are looking at a ~£2m gamble of extending his contract and hoping he finds some form. Will we be even able to afford £2m though when this is all over for a gamble like that? Will the club just need to hope that a player like Koiki can step in if really needed? Let's face it the only game where Brady has done anything all season was the Chelsea game at 4-0 down, so there's an argument there that you're almost better a youngster getting minutes.

On paper he was a £12m asset. He has been shite of late, and just because a mansion was once worth £1m doesn't mean that's what someone will pay when it's falling down.

Deano, hence why I said on paper and in simplistic terms. I know he's not currently worth £12m, and that's the conundrum Dyche is faced with. Can he turn him back into a £12m player, or is it better to cut our losses?

Any player out of contract should be released in my opinion.
Get the wages off the books and we could be in a very strong position when the storm has blown over.

Worst scenario here which might well play out is that we lose Jeff who has shown he is good enough and played an especially vital role in covering a few positions (and being pretty much injury free when most of our other midfielders have been injured)....
....and we take the option to extend Brady’s contract on the basis that it would cost us £10m plus to bring in another quality wide player instead of £2m on his wages.

That may well make financial sense but we probably end up with a £2m a year player to sit on the bench and remain short on wide players with Lennon end of contract (I think), JBGs injuries and the player who has played more than any of them - Hendrick - leaving.

Midfield is definetely going to need some additions this summer. We could quite easily be down to just Cork, Westwood, Brownhill, McNeil and JBG. And then you have to factor in JBG's fitness issues and possible interest in McNeil.

ChorltonCharlie wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:42 pm

Problem is your logic doesn't add up. Who wants to pay a fee for Brady? You can't just assume that there are clubs lining up to bid for him whether that's for £1m or £5m.

If we grant him a years extension and that's on say £40k a week that's another £2m for a player who's hardly featured for two and a half years.

Even in usual times giving him an extension would be a gamble, but with the economic hit all football clubs are likely to see from Covid 19, it would be stupidity to extend his contract on his current wages to keep him as a back-up player in the hope that another club will pay money to take him off us.

My logic doesn't add up?

If Newcastle are looking at picking him up for free and paying his wages, then he is worth something.

The Covid 19 outbreak could be the exact reason he will be picked up.

How many wingers with Premier League experience do you know of, that will be available for such a low fee? Very few? None?

According to the article several clubs are looking at both of them.

Close to a 100% guarantee we can make something out of it.

There's no way Burnley will let him walk for free.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:27 pm

Any player out of contract should be released in my opinion.
Get the wages off the books and we could be in a very strong position when the storm has blown over.

We'd still have to pay them out so that would be pointless. That's what a contract is for. Unless they agreed to settle, which would be mental.

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:12 pm

My logic doesn't add up?

If Newcastle are looking at picking him up for free and paying his wages, then he is worth something.

The Covid 19 outbreak could be the exact reason he will be picked up.

How many wingers with Premier League experience do you know of, that will be available for such a low fee? Very few? None?

According to the article several clubs are looking at both of them.

Close to a 100% guarantee we can make something out of it.

There's no way Burnley will let him walk for free.

The reason Newcastle might be wanting to pick him up because A) he is free and B) Brady might have to drop his wage demands. i.e. he is worth whatever the contract will cost them and not 1, 2 or 5 million more

As soon as Burnley offer him a contract then A) Newcastle have to pay so they might not see any value in the deal and B) Brady could choose to stay so they would probably have to pay him more than they think he is worth

What happens if we sign him on for another year then Newcastle change their mind or get someone else insead. We will be stuck with his wages for another season

Its not a computer game where Burnley can just hit a button to activate the 1 year option which forces Newcastle to pay for him. We would have to confirm the additional year then Brady can see out is contract or nobody might come in for him

Seems a lot of effort and stupid risk for a player we might not want just cos we dont want him to go for nothing

Now if Burnley get wind of Newcastle or anothe team being really interested and Keen like clubs were with Wells then your point becomes a good one but doubt there's a queue of teams interested who are willing to pay him what we currently are doing

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:14 pm

We'd still have to pay them out so that would be pointless. That's what a contract is for. Unless they agreed to settle, which would be mental.

Shall we explain to you what out of contact means? It might help a little here.

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:54 pm

The reason Newcastle might be wanting to pick him up because A) he is free and B) Brady might have to drop his wage demands. i.e. he is worth whatever the contract will cost them and not 1, 2 or 5 million more

As soon as Burnley offer him a contract then A) Newcastle have to pay so they might not see any value in the deal and B) Brady could choose to stay so they would probably have to pay him more than they think he is worth

What happens if we sign him on for another year then Newcastle change their mind or get someone else insead. We will be stuck with his wages for another season

Its not a computer game where Burnley can just hit a button to activate the 1 year option which forces Newcastle to pay for him. We would have to confirm the additional year then Brady can see out is contract or nobody might come in for him

Seems a lot of effort and stupid risk for a player we might not want just cos we dont want him to go for nothing

Now if Burnley get wind of Newcastle or anothe team being really interested and Keen like clubs were with Wells then your point becomes a good one but doubt there's a queue of teams interested who are willing to pay him what we currently are doing

Sorry, I just think you're totally wrong.

Patrick Bamford is on the same money at Leeds as Brady is at Burnley 35k. I think Brady could get a good deal at either a lower Premier League side or a Championship side. Plenty of players on a lot more money in the Championship.

Risk is 1,820,000?

We WILL have to replace him. So worse comes to worst, we get a back up player who can play winger or full back for less then 2m, or we make a little bit if money.

Realistically replacement, 10m+?

There's not much risk involved at all.

ChorltonCharlie wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:59 pm

Shall we explain to you what out of contact means? It might help a little here.

Presumably he means release early..

Otherwise the point makes even less sense. Two players gone, one needs replacing.

Surely costs more than keeping them both? No?

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:14 pm

Sorry, I just think you're totally wrong.

Patrick Bamford is on the same money at Leeds as Brady is at Burnley 35k. I think Brady could get a good deal at either a lower Premier League side or a Championship side. Plenty of players on a lot more money in the Championship.

Risk is 1,820,000?

We WILL have to replace him. So worse comes to worst, we get a back up player who can play winger or full back for less then 2m, or we make a little bit if money.

Realistically replacement, 10m+?

There's not much risk involved at all.

We'll see. I dont think its as simple and obvious as you make out but by the same token its maybe not as complex and risky as I've made it sound.

Without knowing whats going on in the background with our club, the player and interested party's I guess neither of us really know so we can just have our opposing opinions

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:28 pm

We'll see. I dont think its as simple and obvious as you make out but by the same token its maybe not as complex and risky as I've made it sound.

Without knowing whats going on in the background with our club, the player and interested party's I guess neither of us really know so we can just have our opposing opinions

Anyone's guess. You're right.

They took Westwood's option up a while back so there's obviously something in the delay.

Perhaps the club are speaking with interested parties and trying to gauge whether they're willing to pay a fee.

Who knows.

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:19 pm

Presumably he means release early..

Otherwise the point makes even less sense. Two players gone, one needs replacing.

Surely costs more than keeping them both? No?

Why would I mean release early?

Robbie Brady Midfielder 14/01/1992 6+9 1 2020+
Jeff Hendrick Midfielder 31/01/1992 24+3 3 2020
Joe Hart Goalkeeper 19/04/1987 3 0 2020+
Aaron Lennon Midfielder 16/04/1987 7+12 0 2020
Phil Bardsley Defender 28/06/1985 15 0 2020

Releasing all these when the season is over could save us around a million pound a month in wages.

I expect a lot of good players to be available for knock down prices and wages very soon.

Hendrick will be gone - wherever
He wanted to go at the end of last season even when a new contract was on the table, but we took up the extra year option
The fact that we have not yet decided to take up the option of an extension with Brady supposes we must be having thoughts about not doing so

I give Robbie a free hes s busted flush who now seems afraid to take on opponents and shirks tackles
Jeff I would keep but maybe he fancies a move to the Scottish league and one more payday

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:41 pm

Why would I mean release early?

Robbie Brady Midfielder 14/01/1992 6+9 1 2020+
Jeff Hendrick Midfielder 31/01/1992 24+3 3 2020
Joe Hart Goalkeeper 19/04/1987 3 0 2020+
Aaron Lennon Midfielder 16/04/1987 7+12 0 2020
Phil Bardsley Defender 28/06/1985 15 0 2020

Releasing all these when the season is over could save us around a million pound a month in wages.

I expect a lot of good players to be available for knock down prices and wages very soon.

I'd give Bardsley another season if he wanted one.
I'd try to keep Hendrick, i rate him.
The other three are costing more than they are worth in contribution, but we'd still need to spend subtantially to replace them adequately.

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:04 pm

I'd give Bardsley another season if he wanted one.
I'd try to keep Hendrick, i rate him.
The other three are costing more than they are worth in contribution, but we'd still need to spend subtantially to replace them adequately.

One of the right backs need to go and the one that stays should be back up. We need a better one bringing in and we can't keep 3.

Hendrick and Bardsley have both done a job but we can improve on them if finances allow.

Good luck signing for Newcastle, if that's what Jeff and Robbie are thinking of doing:

The Times: Newcastle become first Premier League club to cut staff wages

"Newcastle United have become the first Premier League club to cut their wage bill in response to the coronavirus crisis, with Tottenham Hotspur among those expected to follow."

"Talks between the Premier League, the English Football League (EFL) and the Professional Footballers’ Association will continue this week with a view to agreeing a policy on possible pay deferrals or wage cuts for players. A Premier League shareholders’ meeting is scheduled for Friday."

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:41 pm

Why would I mean release early?

Robbie Brady Midfielder 14/01/1992 6+9 1 2020+
Jeff Hendrick Midfielder 31/01/1992 24+3 3 2020
Joe Hart Goalkeeper 19/04/1987 3 0 2020+
Aaron Lennon Midfielder 16/04/1987 7+12 0 2020
Phil Bardsley Defender 28/06/1985 15 0 2020

Releasing all these when the season is over could save us around a million pound a month in wages.

I expect a lot of good players to be available for knock down prices and wages very soon.

Oh, I see.

Save money by releasing two wingers, at least one would need replacing and a right back, who would need replacing.

Potential for a 20m - 30m outlay to replace them.

Good money saving plan, you're a genius.

Jeff of all trades, master of none wouldn't get anywhere near the amount of top flight game time he currently gets at another club. Can see him finishing his career in the obscurity of the spl. If he isn't going to sign a new contract then he needs to be taken out of the team and give Brownhill some game time if the season resumes.
I'd be amazed if we activated a contract extension with Brady too given what he has offered us for the past couple of seasons. Not his fault I know, but still

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:38 am

Oh, I see.

Save money by releasing two wingers, at least one would need replacing and a right back, who would need replacing.

Potential for a 20m - 30m outlay to replace them.

Good money saving plan, you're a genius.

You seem to missing this world wide pandemic that is having a huge impact on economies, and that includes football. Clubs are expected to lose tens of millions of pounds in income from TV deals, prize money, etc. The sugar daddies that back many clubs could also lose millions and even billions. We quite simply don't know who will come out of this well off, and the economy of football could change beyond all recognition over the next few years. What a player was worth back in January and what they're worth now are two completely different things, and the same goes for wages. Let's say the season doesn't resume and Burnley lose a third of their income for year and no prize money. Are the club really going to extend Brady's contract after losing tens of millions of pounds? We simply might not be able to afford his wages, and as others have said releasing out of contract players who aren't essential might be the first place you look to save cash and make up the shortfall.

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Hendrick and Bardsley have both done a job but we can improve on them if finances allow.
[/quote]

"If finances allow" could be the most important phrase very shortly. Lots of things in the proverbial pipeline are going to come unstuck in the near future

ChorltonCharlie wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:33 am

You seem to missing this world wide pandemic that is having a huge impact on economies, and that includes football. Clubs are expected to lose tens of millions of pounds in income from TV deals, prize money, etc. The sugar daddies that back many clubs could also lose millions and even billions. We quite simply don't know who will come out of this well off, and the economy of football could change beyond all recognition over the next few years. What a player was worth back in January and what they're worth now are two completely different things, and the same goes for wages. Let's say the season doesn't resume and Burnley lose a third of their income for year and no prize money. Are the club really going to extend Brady's contract after losing tens of millions of pounds? We simply might not be able to afford his wages, and as others have said releasing out of contract players who aren't essential might be the first place you look to save cash and make up the shortfall.

Realistically you believe the season will never resume and Burnley will get no prize money?

Do me a favour.