How would you like to see the Premier League season end? - Voting Poll

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Which of these scenarios do you consider the best option for the Premier League?

End the season now with no promotion or relegation
67
28%
End the season now with Leeds and West Brom added
6
3%
Complete the season behind closed doors when it is safe to do so
84
36%
Compete the season in normal conditions when it is safe to do so
79
33%
 
Total votes: 236

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Re: How would you like to see the Premier League season end? - Voting Poll

Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:54 pm

dsr wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:50 pm
Norway play in summer, most of Europe plays in winter. It doesn't stop their clubs playing in the European competitions.
Yes but that's already synced and a formula established. Their season normally ends at the end of November, so whoever wins the League in the 2018 season goes in the Champs League for 2019 / 20 hence this season it was Rosenbourg. (Next competition it should be current (2019) champions Molde)
The discussion here is about the need for the European Leagues that are currently suspended to have some element of synchronisation in ending this season and starting the next in order for European places to be allocated, (by whatever means) for next season, (whenever it starts).
One has to bear in mind that early qualifying rounds ordinarily start in mid-summer.

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Re: How would you like to see the Premier League season end? - Voting Poll

Post by dsr » Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:25 am

nil_desperandum wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:54 pm
Yes but that's already synced and a formula established. Their season normally ends at the end of November, so whoever wins the League in the 2018 season goes in the Champs League for 2019 / 20 hence this season it was Rosenbourg. (Next competition it should be current (2019) champions Molde)
The discussion here is about the need for the European Leagues that are currently suspended to have some element of synchronisation in ending this season and starting the next in order for European places to be allocated, (by whatever means) for next season, (whenever it starts).
One has to bear in mind that early qualifying rounds ordinarily start in mid-summer.
And for this, they are not synced and no formula has been established. Obviously.

They don't have to come up with a single detailed plan, and it doesn't have to be done today, and the plans they already have don't have to be definitive.

There is a very easy way to get away from this idea of "all leagues must be synced" thing. Make it a rule that the leagues do not need to be synced. Easy. Problem solved. Then UEFA can outline the rules of next year's competition and tell each member country how many slots they have, and the member countries can each individually decide how fairest to allocate them. No element of synchronisation at all, and none needed.

I don't think it's reasonable to look at the rules as they stand now and assume that they must be applied in the immediate, uncertain future. They can appoint a whole new set of rules for next season. They probably will. This year, the early qualifying rounds will not start in midsummer. They probably won't happen at all. UEFA will take the chance to eliminate some of the "weaker brethren" in favour of the moneybags clubs.

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Re: How would you like to see the Premier League season end? - Voting Poll

Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:47 am

dsr wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:25 am
And for this, they are not synced and no formula has been established. Obviously.

They don't have to come up with a single detailed plan, and it doesn't have to be done today, and the plans they already have don't have to be definitive.

There is a very easy way to get away from this idea of "all leagues must be synced" thing. Make it a rule that the leagues do not need to be synced. Easy. Problem solved. Then UEFA can outline the rules of next year's competition and tell each member country how many slots they have, and the member countries can each individually decide how fairest to allocate them. No element of synchronisation at all, and none needed.

I don't think it's reasonable to look at the rules as they stand now and assume that they must be applied in the immediate, uncertain future. They can appoint a whole new set of rules for next season. They probably will. This year, the early qualifying rounds will not start in midsummer. They probably won't happen at all. UEFA will take the chance to eliminate some of the "weaker brethren" in favour of the moneybags clubs.
That's an interesting proposal, but I think it would be open to all manner of legal challenges since clubs entered into the 2019 - 20 season with a set of rules and criteria for European qualification. I'm not saying it can't or won't happen, but I think it would be difficult for all leagues / clubs to agree to this.
If as you propose they use it as an opportunity to eliminate some of the "weaker" clubs, that would inevitably mean that a lot of European countries with lesser leagues would be effectively out of Europe. It would be a super league for PL, Spain, Germany, Italy and a couple of others. SKY etc would love this, but I can't imagine the majority of leagues in Europe voting for it. They'd all lose money and prestige.

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Re: How would you like to see the Premier League season end? - Voting Poll

Post by dsr » Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:28 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:47 am
That's an interesting proposal, but I think it would be open to all manner of legal challenges since clubs entered into the 2019 - 20 season with a set of rules and criteria for European qualification. I'm not saying it can't or won't happen, but I think it would be difficult for all leagues / clubs to agree to this.
If as you propose they use it as an opportunity to eliminate some of the "weaker" clubs, that would inevitably mean that a lot of European countries with lesser leagues would be effectively out of Europe. It would be a super league for PL, Spain, Germany, Italy and a couple of others. SKY etc would love this, but I can't imagine the majority of leagues in Europe voting for it. They'd all lose money and prestige.
I reckon the legal challenges are unlikely to get anywhere. To sue someone successfully, you have to prove they did something wrong. Obviously they can't sue them for failing to follow the old rules, because no football authority could have been expected to finish the season when it has been made illegal. So they've got to sue them for producing new rules which are blatantly unfair.

All the various organisations have to do is produce rules which are not blatantly unfair, and it's going to be awfully hard to sue.

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Re: How would you like to see the Premier League season end? - Voting Poll

Post by thatdberight » Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:21 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52282288

Basically a 60:40 split between "Finish it somehow" and "Bin it and forget it"

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Re: How would you like to see the Premier League season end? - Voting Poll

Post by Elizabeth » Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:02 pm

BBC football polls are notoriously dodgy due to the biased nature and heavy contributions from some clubs' fans eg Man U
Our poll is far more in favour of finishing the season somehow and, as we are a club with probably a mid table end position to look forward to, more likely to reflect public opinion than a BBC poll.

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Re: How would you like to see the Premier League season end? - Voting Poll

Post by tiger76 » Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:58 pm

Brighton owner Tony Bloom says he cannot see how clubs can be relegated from the Premier League if the season is not completed.

Friday’s meeting of the 20 top-flight clubs went through several scenarios to finish the campaign.

However, uncertainty still hangs over a season that has nine rounds to go.

"It would be very difficult to relegate somebody, particularly from the Premier League, if the season hasn’t played out," said Bloom.

In the 'scheduling model' possibilities looked at on Friday, the earliest would start on 8 June.

While it was not discussed as expected at that meeting, there are clubs who think 30 June should be the cut-off date for the season to end for contractual reasons.

It is now almost certain it will not be completed at that point and Bloom, whose side are 15th, two points above the drop zone, feels it would be wrong for clubs to lose their status without playing all 38 games.

European football's governing body Uefa is expected to confirm leagues will be allowed to end seasons prematurely when it meets on Thursday, although similar decisions have already been taken in some quarters.

Non-league football from tier three and below has been voided and in Scotland promotion and relegation has been decided on current places in leagues below the Premiership.

However, another way of deciding who finishes where would be on points-per-game average, although, in England, that would not change the bottom three and would lead to Bournemouth getting relegated on the slimmest of goal differences.

"It’s unfathomable that a team may lose out on 0.2 of a point based on points per game. Also, it does not take into account the strength of the teams you have played."

Some sides, including Brighton, have five home games left while others have four.

Any decision would require 14 of the 20 clubs to vote in favour and Bloom does not see that happening.

"I really cannot see the percent that would be needed voting for it," he said.

Even when the game restarts, major issues will be hanging over it.

One leading Premier League executive has privately ridiculed stories that have suggested transfers in excess of £100m may take place during what will be a transfer window, potentially of as little as three weeks, feeling it shows an ignorance of the financial issues being wrestled with.

Bloom rubber-stamped a club record £20m deal to buy defender Adam Webster from Bristol City last summer and kept hold of skipper Lewis Dunk, who was linked with a £45m move to Leicester.

In the current climate, he does not see such deals happening this year.

"I don't think the market will be nearly as active as in previous seasons," he said. "And the total transfers will be a very small percentage of what it has been in previous summers.

"The actual value of players has gone right down in all squads. There's no doubt if you were going to sell a player in the transfer window coming up and you were expecting to be getting £15m, you’re going to get less than that."

Is this a shot across the Premier League's bows,if there's no relegation how can there be promotion unless there's a major league reconstruction,i'm not sure if the diminished transfer values will be favourable to Burnley or not,we'll have to wait and see how it plays out.

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Re: How would you like to see the Premier League season end? - Voting Poll

Post by KateR » Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:23 am

there is a myriad of ways to do the deed whether finishing or not but not everyone will be happy, so many different thoughts and permutations but the biggest issue in reality is that no one knows how long this will last and therefore making that meaningful decision is on hold. Even the vote here, which was started 31 March that has run for quite a while at around 70% in favour of finishing might have people thinking differently now as we know more. Is it starting behind closed doors in June/July or Nov/Dec, or in 2021, regarding the PL you could even say relegate no one, allow promotion and have an extended PL for 20/21, 21/22 with 4 teams relegated. Slowly back to how it has been or simply have 2 more teams in the PL for the future and see how it goes.

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Re: How would you like to see the Premier League season end? - Voting Poll

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:07 am

keep playing the season as long as we have a chance to relegate Brighton on the last day

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