Should the players take a wage cut?

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Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by jurek » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:04 pm

Would be a honourable gesture if all first team players
agreed to a wage cut for a few months or until
they know when they are likely to be next playing especially if the money saved
was given to charities or helping those NHS workers on the front line.

Not sure how much but 20% would generate a reasonable amount.

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Enty1974 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:05 pm

Were rich

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by claretdj » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:10 pm

The Honourable thing to do would be to follow in what Juventus have done.

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Dyched » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pm

Completely different circumstances at bigger clubs and different circumstances then individually on each player. It’s okay to say Ronaldo you take a 70% pay cut which he’ll be fine to do financially. But if a 19/20 year old in his first year or 2 professionally does that, It could lead to trouble. Their know different to most 19/20 year olds who’ll blow their wage easily.

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Chester Perry » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:33 pm

claretdj wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:10 pm
The Honourable thing to do would be to follow in what Juventus have done.
Which Juventus?

The Juventus that were found to have bought titles by bribing officials
The Juventus that want to close the Champions League to new teams
The Juventus that have just won 8 serie A titles on the trot
The Juventus that dominate Italian football because they are so much richer than everyone else

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Burnley1989 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:38 pm

No
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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Steve1956 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:39 pm

jurek wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:04 pm
Would be a honourable gesture if all first team players
agreed to a wage cut for a few months or until
they know when they are likely to be next playing especially if the money saved
was given to charities or helping those NHS workers on the front line.

Not sure how much but 20% would generate a reasonable amount.
No why should they,are you taking one?

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Rileybobs » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:47 pm

I don't understand why so many people are looking to punish our players for the situation. It is up to each individual to decide whether they want to use their fortunate position to help the situation, be that through financial means or volunteering their time to help.

Many of our players will be in the prime of their career in terms of earning potential, there is absolutely no reason why they should be forced to take a pay cut. Despite being in relatively privileged positions, they will also have the same relatively high financial commitments. This situation will be casting uncertainty on their futures in a similar way as it will be doing to you and I. Bonuses aren't secure, contract renewals etc. are up in the air.

As someone else posted, are you willingly donating some of your earnings?

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by clarethomer » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:47 pm

Nope.

I will wait for the tax increases to help fund the cost of this and not complain because we can all share the burden as proportionally we can.
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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Claretitus » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:50 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:39 pm
[quote=jurek post_id=<a href="tel:1244527">1244527</a> time=<a href="tel:1585677859">1585677859</a> user_id=1732]
Would be a honourable gesture if all first team players
agreed to a wage cut for a few months or until
they know when they are likely to be next playing especially if the money saved
was given to charities or helping those NHS workers on the front line.

Not sure how much but 20% would generate a reasonable amount.
No why should they,are you taking one?
[/quote]
Well yes I am. My company laid us off last Tuesday, so I have now been Furloughed. 80% of my monthly wage only for me, they're not working, so yes they should take a pay cut. Will never happen though, coz they're footballers. Ahhhh bless! Some of them will probably have bought a new £100K motor since they last kicked a ball? Absolute different lifestyle to us that pay their wages. Time they lived for a little while in the real world.

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Steve1956 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:52 pm

Well done,what do you want........ a medal?
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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Burnley1989 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:53 pm

They pay more in tax than we will earn in our lifetime, it’s not as though they don’t contribute to the country

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Rileybobs » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:57 pm

Claretitus wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:50 pm
No why should they,are you taking one?

Well yes I am. My company laid us off last Tuesday, so I have now been Furloughed. 80% of my monthly wage only for me, they're not working, so yes they should take a pay cut. Will never happen though, coz they're footballers. Ahhhh bless! Some of them will probably have bought a new £100K motor since they last kicked a ball? Absolute different lifestyle to us that pay their wages. Time they lived for a little while in the real world.
Presumably you have been furloughed so that your company saves the expense of paying your salary without laying you off. If footballers took a pay cut the football club would benefit. The same football club that has over £40m in the bank.

Why should they live in the ‘real world’? They’re at the very top of their profession. And we don’t pay their wages so don’t flatter yourself.
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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Colburn_Claret » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:58 pm

They should be furloughed, the same as the rest of the country, until they are allowed to go back to training.
They can afford it far more than the average worker. They are still residents in this country. A lot of clubs will struggle to pay full wages under the current circumstances.
I honestly believe that most footballers would accept this. There are always exceptions, but then players that think with their wallets would be better off playing for somebody else.

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Claretitus » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:59 pm

Very top of their profession? Don't make me laugh!!

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Rileybobs » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:02 pm

Claretitus wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:59 pm
Very top of their profession? Don't make me laugh!!
They represent their countries in their chosen profession. They are literally at the top of their profession.
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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:03 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:47 pm
I don't understand why so many people are looking to punish our players for the situation. It is up to each individual to decide whether they want to use their fortunate position to help the situation, be that through financial means or volunteering their time to help.

Many of our players will be in the prime of their career in terms of earning potential, there is absolutely no reason why they should be forced to take a pay cut. Despite being in relatively privileged positions, they will also have the same relatively high financial commitments. This situation will be casting uncertainty on their futures in a similar way as it will be doing to you and I. Bonuses aren't secure, contract renewals etc. are up in the air.

As someone else posted, are you willingly donating some of your earnings?
Punish? Really :D I think eventually the reality will be it’s not a option.

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Claretitus » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:04 pm

Are you a football agent or what Rileybobs?

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by clarethomer » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:05 pm

Furlough scheme is only a max of £2500 a month..

That's probably like not even 0.5 days of work for them in the first team.

Regardless - Why should the tax payer pick up their salaries if the club can afford to pay them and not furlough them?
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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Rileybobs » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:06 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:03 pm
Punish? Really :D I think eventually the reality will be it’s not a option.
Yes. Forcing our players to take a pay cut to make a moral gesture would be punishing them.

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Rileybobs » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:06 pm

Claretitus wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:04 pm
Are you a football agent or what Rileybobs?
No. What makes you think I would be?

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Claretitus » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:08 pm

Only joking, but you speak like one.

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Burnley1989 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:09 pm

clarethomer wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:05 pm
Furlough scheme is only a max of £2500 a month..

That's probably like not even 0.5 days of work for them in the first team.

Regardless - Why should the tax payer pick up their salaries if the club can afford to pay them and not furlough them?
Exactly, the club are given money by Sky to pay these players.

We can’t just decide we aren’t going to give them it or guess what will happen? Sky won’t give us the money

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Rileybobs » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:09 pm

Claretitus wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:08 pm
Only joking, but you speak like one.
Wish I earned like one.

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:10 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:57 pm
Presumably you have been furloughed so that your company saves the expense of paying your salary without laying you off. If footballers took a pay cut the football club would benefit. The same football club that has over £40m in the bank.
Good point and whilst no one should be forced or obliged to take a pay cut what a great gesture it would be from our club and 1st team squad if the club paid the players 90% of their wage and donated the other 10% and the player just took 80% also donating the other 10%

No way our first team squad on a range of £25K-£60K per week would miss 20% of their wage for a few months
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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:14 pm

I imagine they will lose their bonuses, so no, no wage cut

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Rileybobs » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:15 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:10 pm
Good point and whilst none should be forced or obliged to take a pay cut what a great gesture it would be from our club and 1st team squad if the club paid the players 90% of their wage and donated the other 10% and the player just took 80% also donating the other 10%

No way our first team squad on a range of £25K-£60K per week would miss 20% of their wage for a few months
It would be a fantastic gesture, I agree. I just don’t feel comfortable with the notion that the players ‘should’ do it. Being asked to do so would also put some of the less senior players, Dwight McNeill for example, in an awkward position.

We also don’t know just how much some of these players already contribute to charities, indeed some players may already be making substantial financial contributions to this crisis without feeling the need to publicise it.

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by KateR » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:17 pm

I think they should not only take a cut but should be donating but I think it should only be done voluntarily.

I thought I had read somewhere that BFC players were donating and helping those who have lost there jobs at BFC?

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:19 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:15 pm
It would be a fantastic gesture, I agree. I just don’t feel comfortable with the notion that the players ‘should’ do it. Being asked to do so would also put some of the less senior players, Dwight McNeill for example, in an awkward position.

We also don’t know just how much some of these players already contribute to charities, indeed some players may already be making substantial financial contributions to this crisis without feeling the need to publicise it.
I agree, they shouldnt be any onus or expectations on any player. Just saying at a really difficult time in a poor working class town this would be a great gesture and I wouldn't be surprised if our players and players at other clubs were already discussing this kind of idea with one another

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Rileybobs » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:28 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:19 pm
I agree, they shouldnt be any onus or expectations on any player. Just saying at a really difficult time in a poor working class town this would be a great gesture and I wouldn't be surprised if our players and players at other clubs were already discussing this kind of idea with one another
Yes, more than likely. Worth bearing in mind that the players may have their own business interests which may be affected by this. They may also have friends and family members who they would prefer to assist.

There seems to be this theme that footballers don’t live in the real world etc., yet our players always come across as decent, down to earth lads. I’m sure they’ll be doing their bit.

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by dsr » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:32 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:09 pm
Exactly, the club are given money by Sky to pay these players.

We can’t just decide we aren’t going to give them it or guess what will happen? Sky won’t give us the money
Havs Sky agreed to carry on paying top whack, regardless of whether there is any football to show? Have the overseas broadcasters agreed to carry on paying? If they don't, then the players are taking a wage cut whether or not.

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Bfcboyo » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:36 pm

Two ways of looking at it and I don't know the details of other clubs wages in the positions around us but I reckon on league position our players are already on a pay cut in comparison . In contrast the whole country is suffering and any gesture would be well remembered forever.

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:44 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:06 pm
Yes. Forcing our players to take a pay cut to make a moral gesture would be punishing them.
I think you are not following or comprehending, nobody will be forced & nobody will be punished, I’m suggesting if the Covid-19 situation continues for any great length of time the reality will be a reduction in wages not just at BFC everywhere all football clubs & most businesses, we can’t just all conjure up wads of dough from fresh air.

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Rileybobs » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:50 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:44 pm
I think you are not following or comprehending, nobody will be forced & nobody will be punished, I’m suggesting if the Covid-19 situation continues for any great length of time the reality will be a reduction in wages not just at BFC everywhere all football clubs & most businesses, we can’t just all conjure up wads of dough from fresh air.
It’s you who isn’t comprehending, unsurprisingly. I know nobody will be forced into it. I said that forcing them to, which some seem to be clamouring for, would be punishing them. I didn’t say it was going to happen because it’s a ludicrous suggestion.

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:56 pm

Yes, and put it in to the BFC in the community schemes.

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by TheFamilyCat » Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:31 pm

If a club is cutting wages, like Spurs, then that should apply to everyone - playing and non-playing.

Otherwise, I don't think players should feel obliged to.

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by claretdj » Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:44 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:33 pm
Which Juventus?

The Juventus that were found to have bought titles by bribing officials
The Juventus that want to close the Champions League to new teams
The Juventus that have just won 8 serie A titles on the trot
The Juventus that dominate Italian football because they are so much richer than everyone else
No, the Juventus which has stopped all players wages in full for the next 4 months, which ALL the players agreed to do!

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Leisure » Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:00 am

claretdj wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:44 pm
No, the Juventus which has stopped all players wages in full for the next 4 months, which ALL the players agreed to do!
I've read the statement released by them reporting this but there was no mention of the savings going towards helping their community. It appears that it's been done purely to help out the football club.

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Leisure » Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:07 am

claretdj wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:10 pm
The Honourable thing to do would be to follow in what Juventus have done.
Which has only been done to save the club money. None of the savings are going to help their local community!

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:10 am

Leisure wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:00 am
I've read the statement released by them reporting this but there was no mention of the savings going towards helping their community. It appears that it's been done purely to help out the football club.
Which - per my original post - is the club that is and has only ever been interested in and of itself

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Jakubclaret » Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:23 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:50 pm
It’s you who isn’t comprehending, unsurprisingly. I know nobody will be forced into it. I said that forcing them to, which some seem to be clamouring for, would be punishing them. I didn’t say it was going to happen because it’s a ludicrous suggestion.
You can be as opposed as you like to the idea & think it’s a ludicrous suggestion, but the longer this continues more & more people will need to embrace reality & accept it’s not optional, in the event that the suspension is reviewed & extended which is likely, I don’t know where you think the money is going to come from. It’s already happening elsewhere the only reason it’s not happening here yet is because they are well ahead with the Covid-19.
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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Stalbansclaret » Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:20 am

If it comes to pass that we have to pay back our share of a Sky TV refund (££35M per club I heard being mooted on the radio) then it will be a major hit for the club and more or less wipe out the cash balance in the recent accounts.I don't really get why anyone would NOT think it reasonable the players took a pay cut in the current circumstances..I mean they are not playing and I'm sure that our players, who by and large seem a decent bunch of blokes, can see the bigger picture and understand the fantastic financial position they are in relative to the population as a whole. I would hope the club is discussing options with the players...I want to see BFC come out the other side of this in a decent financial position.

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by evensteadiereddie » Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:49 am

If the club, as employers, need to reduce wage costs of playing staff in order to ease any burden and wish to do so is fair enough and a different matter.

Should the players take a wage cut to, somehow, help other low-paid workers ? Absolutely not. If, as an individual they want to donate their time and/or money, good for them.
Future tax increases will, I hope, repair the damage done over the last ten years to our low paid, new-found heroes.
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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:01 am

Stalbansclaret wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:20 am
If it comes to pass that we have to pay back our share of a Sky TV refund (££35M per club I heard being mooted on the radio) then it will be a major hit for the club and more or less wipe out the cash balance in the recent accounts.
In flat terms it appears to be £38.1M per club (£762m in total and it is not just to Sky and BT but all rights holders across the globe, including radio, match highlights and social media clips) which for us is most but unlikely to be all our cash holding - the problem for clubs is that if the rights holders get paid, then sponsors, advertisers and season ticket holders will want the same. That is why I had suggested to some clubs it could cost around £100m or even more,

I understand that the Premier League have already paid the EFL for the year - which is how the EFL were able to make the £50m interim package to it's members. If that is true they can argue that they have already made a generous donation to the football family if a refund is demanded. It is not clear if that package also included the Academy funding payments that the Premier League also pays for. Also there has been no word on whether the parachute payments will be paid out in full this year if a refund is demanded.

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by tiger76 » Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:06 pm

PFA seem to be moving in this direction.

The Professional Footballers' Association has said it "fully accepts that players will have to be flexible and share the financial burden" of the coronavirus pandemic.

The trade union for professional association footballers in England and Wales says its members must act "in order to secure the long-term future of their own club and indeed the wider game".

The statement came after UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the "first thing" Premier League footballers could do to help is "take a pay cut".

Speaking at the government's daily briefing, Mr Hancock added: "Everybody needs to play their part in this national effort and that means Premier League footballers."

On Wednesday, Premier League clubs were accused by Julian Knight, the chair of the Digital, Culture, Media and Sport committee, of living in a "moral vacuum" after some clubs furloughed non-playing staff while preserving the wages of highly-paid players.

In fairness most PL/Championship players should be able to absorb pay cuts for a short period,whether players at lower levels could manage is another matter entirely,and they may well need subsiding,the question of course is how to achieve this balance.

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Blackrod » Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:26 pm

It’s a shame it has come to this and the underhand attempts by certain clubs to access money meant to help people and businesses in need. It doesn’t feel right. When football does resume I’d actually prefer to watch some amateur players raising money for the NHS or a team of volunteers play than a PL game. I’d get more out if applauding their efforts and for going above and beyond without the need for over the top remuneration.
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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Burnley Ace » Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:08 am

Why is this idea just limited to football players? Anyone playing sport as a professional is really just getting paid for something we would all do for free so they shoul all give up a % of their wage, same with anyone in the “entertainment” industry - Ant n Dec, come on they should be forced to pay a few million and that ginger lad, how much is he worth?

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Ilkley claret » Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:25 am

The main criticism is at the clubs who have furloughed the non playing staff and are therefore asking you the tax payer to pay these wages rather than asking the players to subsidise them in the first instance.

Also most club owners are millionaires or billionaires and can afford to pay non playing staff rather than ask the government ( and you) to pay

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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Grumps » Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:56 am

Just take a second to realise that these players will have paid more into the NHS via tax, at 40%, national insurance, than most of us will probably pay in our lifetime, and yet as an easy target people in the media and government are asking them to take pay cuts.
If the clubs decide to cut wages, so be it, but it's unfair to ask players to just give up some of their monthly wage, which has probably been earmarked to pay mortgages, or into pension funds which they need when their very short careers come to an end.
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Re: Should the players take a wage cut?

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:13 am

Blackrod wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:26 pm
It’s a shame it has come to this and the underhand attempts by certain clubs to access money meant to help people and businesses in need. It doesn’t feel right. When football does resume I’d actually prefer to watch some amateur players raising money for the NHS or a team of volunteers play than a PL game. I’d get more out if applauding their efforts and for going above and beyond without the need for over the top remuneration.
Agree, that's what the furloughed scheme was initially designed & meant for the working class people, some are now trying to use it as sort of mechanism to penny pinch rather than just foot the bill, if it's a genuine business/people on hard times fair enough.

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