Boris Johnson moved to intensive care

[jrgbfc]

I know its hard when he's the prime minister but he should have clearly been forced to take a step back sooner, and concentrate on his recovery. Hope he pulls through.

[ElectroClaret]

Michael Gove self isolating now after a family member displayed virus symptoms. (Sky)

[Falcon]

Absolutely spot on. That's how the thread on the previous evening was ruined and why political debate is going to be stopped on this board. We are in a crisis currently and a lot of people are seriously worried about it. It has nothing to do with party politics at all and I am astonished at some of the comments I've seen. I'm absolutely sick to the back teeth at some of the stuff that goes on this message board at times.

A man is in hospital with severe problems brought about by the virus and he's a man who is currently leading us through the current situation yet we still get the points scorers.

I haven't used this board since September (I just logged in today to do the Xpert11 thread), and it was the poisonous far-right political stuff, then abusive replies back and forth from all sides that followed that made me realise I didn't enjoy using it any more.

Sorry to derail this thread somewhat. I sincerely hope Johnson makes a full recovery. I'm no fan of his but nobody deserves to die of this awful disease for their political views. At times like this we need unity and people and politicians of all stripes need to all pull together to get the country through this.

[wembley94]

FactualFrank..No need for"not a fan but....The point I wanted to make.He's the leader of our country.you can't pretend it's just some guy down the street..like I said get well soon Boris

[Quicknick]

Battle it, Boris!

[Paul Waine]

Hopefully the Covid-19 thread won't be stopped, over 120 pages, whether you agree or not with what people say, an awful lot of work has gone into some posts, and in the main is self policing.
Agree 100% with rest of your points.

3 months time out for anyone overstepping the "no politics" line may be all it needs.

[keith1879]

Steady on, saying whilst I may not like someone but I wish him well and hope he is ok is nothing like the point scoring and bickering that went on the other night.

I think in a way mentioning your dislike for someones politics whilst stating in spite of that you wish him nothing but good will is a way of saying lets leave the politics to one side.

Maybe people shouldn't jump on little things that aren't there as that creates the bickering and crap on threads like this as much as anything else

Anyway lets hope Johnson fully recovers and lets hope as many of the other people in hospital with the virus also recover. As i said earlier just let people express their opinions in the way they wish to and as long as they are not being provocative or disrespectful then please respect their view as much as anyone elses even if you dont fully agree with their sentiment

Very well put. Your first two paragraphs mirror my sentiments exactly. In addition I would add that I think that Boris is probably one of the best men in the current cabinet to be in charge .....I worry that Dominic Raab is too dogmatic.

[IanMcL]

BBC folk all in black today!

[Steve1956]

Im no Tory...but i back the guy to the hilt,hes our elected leader and a human being.....good luck Boris....we should ALL be wishing you well.

[evensteadiereddie]

I wish Johnson and any of the other thousands suffering from this illness a speedy recovery.
I welcome this new spirit of having a board free of political comment/discussion/point-scoring/bickering and hope it extends right across the political divide. Anything else would be hypocrisy.
Some interesting converts to this crusade in the last 24 hours which is brilliant.
Onwards and upwards.
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[Elizabeth]

Well said eddie

[Dy1geo]

Get well soon Boris.

I have to agree that at times posters have overstepped the mark on some threads. The General Election thread demonstrated that political threads can be courteous on here. There was a wide range of view points which were passionately argued for from both the right and left which never reduced to name calling. Can we keep future threads as civil.

Thankfully this forum is not the poison that is Twitter and I would hate it to turn like that.

[FactualFrank]

Boris Johnson stable and 'in good spirits' and in hospital

Prime Minister Boris Johnson is "in good spirits" after spending the night in intensive care being treated for coronavirus, No 10 has said.

A spokesman said Mr Johnson, 55, was stable overnight, is being given oxygen and is not on a ventilator.


So far, so good.

[evensteadiereddie]

He'll be reyt.

[Elizabeth]

That's good news Frank

[tiger76]

Boris Johnson stable and 'in good spirits' and in hospital

Prime Minister Boris Johnson is "in good spirits" after spending the night in intensive care being treated for coronavirus, No 10 has said.

A spokesman said Mr Johnson, 55, was stable overnight, is being given oxygen and is not on a ventilator.


So far, so good.

It's definitely a good sign he's not on a ventilator,and he's receiving oxygen in the conventional manner.

I suspect like many others he's not taken the required rest needed for his body to fully recover,a few days relaxing should allow his system to heal itself naturally.

And then he'll have to have some time to properly recuperate,before returning to the fold.

[Bosscat]

Im no Tory...but i back the guy to the hilt,hes our elected leader and a human being.....good luck Boris....we should ALL be wishing you well.

Spot on Steve

Come on Boris all of Britains backing you to beat this horrible virus....

[bfcjg]

Without wishing to trivialise the thread, has anybody got a mate with a box at St Thomas hospital so we can really know what's going on ?

[RalphCoatesComb]

I hope Boris smashes this. We need a 'Winston Churchill' or a Superman right now !

[Aclaret]

Responding well to treatment they say, hopefully a good sign.

[evensteadiereddie]

He'll be reyt. Everything that has been done has been done as a precaution.

[AlargeClaret]

I imagine the amount of fraud going on,on just giving pages and various charidee type set ups must be staggering . What do they expect to do when they raise a few k or a few 100k? Buy some ( now not required ppe kit) a few cups of coffee for a giant hospital ? While it’s a very worthy ideal it’s mainly virtue signalling with a political message

[evensteadiereddie]

As is clapping for Johnson perhaps.
This country needs to grow up.

[thatdberight]

Withdrawn

[Devils_Advocate]

withdrawn.

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[bfcjg]

Ironic we ignore the clap for Boris ,Kyle Walker gets the clap ignoring Boris.

[Devils_Advocate]

Its a long road back and Johnson needs to be careful around his workload and stress levels. ICU patients can often seemingly make a quick recovery but 6-12 months down the line suffer a serious dip.

Coming back to lead a country through a crisis of this magnitude could really lead to something even more serious in the near future. People around him really need to look out for him and look past the initial recovery phase to protect his future

[thatdberight]

"I wish him no harm of course"

Stupidly-made "point" withdrawn as above.

[Devils_Advocate]

Withdrawn and point taken. It was an overly-truncated and therefore not at all sensible version of a longer post that got tangled. I should have just deleted it.

Thanks and in response I have withdrawn my comment too as no need for it now

[RingoMcCartney]

Stupidly-made "point" withdrawn as above.

To be fair to you thatdberight , the general point you were making wasn't wrong. As Devils Advocate puts it "the extreme fruit loops on social media" have indeed wished ill and indeed death upon our PM. But they are there and sadly this minority is a tiny disproportionately noisy cult.

To be wishing ill or death upon anybody not only, thankfully, a tiny minority view, but suggests somebody is not of sound mind. Particularly when this position is simply down to politics

Basic humanity from one person to another, should never be allowed to be trumped by political differences.

[Devils_Advocate]

There's fruit loops on all sides expressing all sorts of disgraceful views. What we shouldn't do is use the fruit loops to to make out a majority normal group thinks and acts the way of the extremes

I could link you a Twitter thread with right wing bigots posting fake pics about Muslims and coming out with some vile racist remarks. Would that make it ok for me to suggest all right wing people are racists and using Covid-19 as an excuse to attack Muslims?

[ksrclaret]

To be fair to you thatdberight , the general point you were making wasn't wrong. As Devils Advocate puts it "the extreme fruit loops on social media" have indeed wished ill and indeed death upon our PM. But they are there and sadly this minority is a tiny disproportionately noisy cult.

To be wishing ill or death upon anybody not only, thankfully, a tiny minority view, but suggests somebody is not of sound mind. Particularly when this position is simply down to politics

Basic humanity from one person to another, should never be allowed to be trumped by political differences.

There will always be a minority of fruit loops. On the right or on the left of the political divide.

The overwhelming majority of people have wished the PM good health and a swift recovery. That includes every post I've read on this board on the matter. I can't remember seeing anyone wishing him death or suffering. So I'm not sure why you're giving these people so much air time. I think this board has been very respectful.

Unless of course you're using it as a political point to 'prove' that people on the left of politics are the bad guys?

[conyoviejo]

Reminds me of Bonnie Tyler's hit " Lost in France"

[AndrewJB]

I read (and this could be total ********) that some of the twitter accounts which first put the idea out were highly dodgy and possibly Russian bots.

They were all basically the same message with poor spelling and grammar (purporting to come from a working class person), and we know a lot bots worked overtime for the Tories during the election, so probably true. It’s just people using Johnson’s illness to score political points. Across a lot of very different sites the same message came up to counter the deluge of “I hope he gets better, and then resigns” posts of “if you can’t post anything positive, don’t post at all” Standard right wing suppression of free speech.

[RingoMcCartney]

There's fruit loops on all sides expressing all sorts of disgraceful views. What we shouldn't do is use the fruit loops to to make out a majority normal group thinks and acts the way of the extremes

I could link you a Twitter thread with right wing bigots posting fake pics about Muslims and coming out with some vile racist remarks. Would that make it ok for me to suggest all right wing people are racists and using Covid-19 as an excuse to attack Muslims?

You needn't bother. I'm not on either twitter nor Facebook the former sounds like an open sewer , the latter sounds like people just posting childish photos of meals their about to eat.

In answer to.your question. Obviously no it wouldn't that make it ok for me to suggest all right wing people are racists and using Covid-19 as an excuse to attack Muslims.

[Steve1956]

Reminds me of Bonnie Tyler's hit " Lost in France"

His meltdown this morning was comedy gold

[RingoMcCartney]

There will always be a minority of fruit loops. On the right or on the left of the political divide.

The overwhelming majority of people have wished the PM good health and a swift recovery. That includes every post I've read on this board on the matter. I can't remember seeing anyone wishing him death or suffering. So I'm not sure why you're giving these people so much air time. I think this board has been very respectful.

Unless of course you're using it as a political point to 'prove' that people on the left of politics are the bad guys?

Your right for the most part, as far as the PMs admission into intensive care. People from right across the political spectrum have wished him well. But as you say, there are sick fruit loops around who lack basic humanity.

I'm not trying to score political points in any way, but the first thread about Boris had to be deleted entirely and this thread, also, has been doctored, thanks to insensitive remarks.

The insensitivity and sometimes callous posts that have needed to be cut certainly weren't from the PMs supporters!

[RingoMcCartney]

They were all basically the same message with poor spelling and grammar (purporting to come from a working class person), and we know a lot bots worked overtime for the Tories during the election, so probably true. It’s just people using Johnson’s illness to score political points. Across a lot of very different sites the same message came up to counter the deluge of “I hope he gets better, and then resigns” posts of “if you can’t post anything positive, don’t post at all” Standard right wing suppression of free speech.

Nobody is trying to " suppress free speach" Andrew, but their have been some comments made by , what we're all agree on, are fruit loops. That can only be described as odious, as they're made simply because those saying them because they dislike Boris Johnson. And it then colours their view of him as a human being.

[Rileybobs]

Nobody is trying to " suppress free speach" Andrew, but their have been some comments made by , what we're all agree on, are fruit loops. That can only be described as odious, as they're made simply because those saying them because they dislike Boris Johnson. And it then colours their view of him as a human being.

Seems like you’re going out of your way to find examples of and draw attention to these fruit loops. In doing so you’re trying to score cheap political points which make your ‘get well soon’ posts appear disingenuous.

[conyoviejo]

Nobody is trying to " suppress free speach" Andrew, but their have been some comments made by , what we're all agree on, are fruit loops. That can only be described as odious, as they're made simply because those saying them because they dislike Boris Johnson. And it then colours their view of him as a human being.

I made a comment about Boris not being special,being no different from other people with the Virus.. Nothing was meant by it,maybe I worded it badly perhaps.I like Boris and think he's doing the best he can in very difficult times ,but a few posters chose to pillory me as though I had wished him I'll,that's their prerogative,but that couldn't be further from the truth..

[evensteadiereddie]

Your right for the most part, as far as the PMs admission into intensive care. People from right across the political spectrum have wished him well. But as you say, there are sick fruit loops around who lack basic humanity.

I'm not trying to score political points in any way, but the first thread about Boris had to be deleted entirely and this thread, also, has been doctored, thanks to insensitive remarks.

The insensitivity and sometimes callous posts that have needed to be cut certainly weren't from the PMs supporters!

I think you'll find your, perhaps, insensitive and callous comment re Keir Starmer and Kiera Knightley being first "up against the wall" didn't last too long....I may be wrong , of course, but a bit of balance is always nice.

[RingoMcCartney]

Seems like you’re going out of your way to find examples of and draw attention to these fruit loops. In doing so you’re trying to score cheap political points which make your ‘get well soon’ posts appear disingenuous.

As I said at the outset , I had 3 very close family members that are in the "at risk"/vulnerable group. And since then my daughter who has an office based job was told her workload would be temporarily suspended and she'd to going on the ward , just as a pair of extra hands, nothing medical of course, to help with the expected number of cases. So I can say, hand on heart , that for various different reasons, I can emphasise with others at this unprecedented crisis that's testing us all. I can assure you, it is not disingenuous.

As for going out of my way. The example of the mayor who said that "Boris Johnson completely deserves this and he is one of the worst PMs we’ve ever had.” is in all the papers. And is an example of people allowing their political differences trump what should be basic humanity to another human.

[Rileybobs]

As I said at the outset , I had 3 very close family members that are in the "at risk"/vulnerable group. And since then my daughter who has an office based job was told her workload would be temporarily suspended and she'd to going on the ward , just as a pair of extra hands, nothing medical of course, to help with the expected number of cases. So I can say, hand on heart , that for various different reasons, I can emphasise with others at this unprecedented crisis that's testing us all. I can assure you, it is not disingenuous.

As for going out of my way. The example of the mayor who said that "Boris Johnson completely deserves this and he is one of the worst PMs we’ve ever had.” is in all the papers. And is an example of people allowing their political differences trump what should be basic humanity to another human.

I don’t think your empathy towards Johnson or others is disingenuous, I’m saying it is coming across this way because you seem more concerned in trying to score points against ‘the left’. Sometimes it’s best just to give it a rest.

[evensteadiereddie]

One idiot makes a stupid remark and loses her post. Fair enough.
She should have put her argument forward in the same manner as the "nurse" or nurse above. The points made by her/him are all the uncomfortable truth.
He/she is arguing, not point-scoring but pointing out facts. As I say, very uncomfortable for some.
Johnson will be out soon, things will get back to normal eventually and the fashion of giving a damn about the NHS will sadly fade.

[RingoMcCartney]

I think you'll find your comment re Keir Starmer and Kiera Knightley being first "up against the wall" didn't last too long....I may be wrong , of course, but a bit of balance is always nice.

If you're going to quote me Eddie do quote the full quote and the context it was made please. Let's be fair

Which was around the subject of wealthy footballers actors and wealthy legal eagles chipping in with the national effort.

I don’t understand this bullying of the football industry. Why isn’t there a clamour for actors and musicians to donate 30% of their income? I haven’t heard the Law Society being asked to donate £20m to the NHS and there are more millionaire lawyers than football players!

Keir Starmer and Keira Knightley first against the wall with their pockets out.

Where do I sign?

That's clearly not wishing ill or death upon anyone based on political differences. Keira Knightley isn't a politician last time I looked!

[evensteadiereddie]

She's well known for her left-wing views. If you were looking for random rich folk to have a go at, it's a pretty odd choice, no ?
I'd disagree with your "clearly", old chum - why would rich folk be up against a wall turning their pockets out ? That's pathetic even by your standards. You've been caught being a hypocrite yet again so you lie - yet again.
But aye, you crack on.

[TVC15]

I made a comment about Boris not being special,being no different from other people with the Virus.. Nothing was meant by it,maybe I worded it badly perhaps.I like Boris and think he's doing the best he can in very difficult times ,but a few posters chose to pillory me as though I had wished him I'll,that's their prerogative,but that couldn't be further from the truth..

I know that there was at least one other poster that said something along the lines that they wished Boris recovery like they wished everyone else in hospital (or who had the virus) etc. They didn’t get jumped on like you.
I believe that is what you meant to say and like you say it was probably not worded the best.

Irrespective it is nothing like the extreme views we have heard from the mayor etc and nobody on here has said anything remotely like that so not really sure why it’s been mentioned on here. Let’s not pretend that whoever was PM or who ever got ill on either party there would not be some fruit loop somewhere on social media putting on a stupid comment or saying they were pleased or deserved it. Giving these idiots more “airtime” on here serves no purpose.

[CrosspoolClarets]

I struggle to get the obsession by some with Johnson receiving the same care as everyone else.

Tens of millions of lives, careers, depend on him. He runs a fairly inexperienced Cabinet as the world enters a crisis stage. He should receive the best treatment possible, whatever the cost (it will still be way less than is spent on almost every other major leader in a similar scenario, Trump’s numbers would be mind boggling).

Like it or not the NHS engages in rationing every day by necessity (e.g. cancer drug “x” deemed unavailable, not because it doesn’t work but because NICE say the lives saved aren’t worth the economic cost). Some of the conversations going on in hospital boardrooms, even in normal times, are grim (I have experienced many).

All lives are precious, and we must do all we can for them, but our PM, whoever it is, is vital. Absolutely vital.

[RingoMcCartney]

I don’t think your empathy towards Johnson or others is ingenuous, I’m saying it is coming across this way because you seem more concerned in trying to score points against ‘the left’. Sometimes it’s best just to give it a rest.

Okey dokey. I'll give it a rest.

But , to both yourself, Eddie, Andrew JB, ksr claret and anyone else who believes their hasn't been spiteful , vindictive and quite repulsive comments based on certain individuals inability to separate their hatred of Boris Johnson the politician , and Boris Johnson the human. I'll leave you with this -

Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:50 pm

Like I care about Brexit.

Simple fact is the bloke that is supposed to protect us from all this has caught it himself because he didn't act fast enough.

Joke prime minister, if he gets it worse the NHS should refuse to treat him.

[evensteadiereddie]

I don't think anybody would argue with that, Crosspool, even those NHS workers feeling cheated seem to wish him well. They might resent what his party have done to them - and their miraculous epiphany - but they'll welcome his recovery.