Boris Johnson moved to intensive care

[evensteadiereddie]

Don't be silly, Ringo.
You know darn well I've never accepted there haven't been spiteful etc comments made re Johnson.
All I did was point out your spiteful etc comment re Starmer and Knightley. Sorry and all that but, as you'd say, glass houses....
Anyway, I'm done - this thread looks as though it's on the brink again, I don't want to play any more.

[Damo]

You dont have to go out of your way really.
Just go on tw*tter. It's full of basket cases
I do agree they dont need their views broadcasting here mind

[claretonthecoast1882]

His meltdown this morning was comedy gold

Was funnier than that Think his little support network on here was supposed to beg him to stay. Once he stops crying he will be back

[RingoMcCartney]

She's well known for her left-wing views. If you were looking for random rich folk to have a go at, it's a pretty odd choice, no ?
I'd disagree with your "clearly", old chum - why would rich folk be up against a wall turning their pockets out ? That's pathetic even by your standards. You've been caught being a hypocrite yet again so you lie - yet again.
But aye, you crack on.

Come on Eddie, have you had a sense of humour by-pass or something matey ! ? You can hardly compare this, which was plainly said in jest

I don’t understand this bullying of the football industry. Why isn’t there a clamour for actors and musicians to donate 30% of their income? I haven’t heard the Law Society being asked to donate £20m to the NHS and there are more millionaire lawyers than football players!

Keir Starmer and Keira Knightley first against the wall with their pockets out.

Where do I sign?

To this-

Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:50 pm

Like I care about Brexit.

Simple fact is the bloke that is supposed to protect us from all this has caught it himself because he didn't act fast enough.

Joke prime minister, if he gets it worse, the NHS should refuse to treat him.

The former is a tongue in cheek pop at wealthy folk chipping in with a few quid.

The latter is someone clearly allowing politics to get in the way of basic humanity to another human being and , essentially, wishing them dead.

Anyway, I'm sure you, like everyone, (save the odd fruit loop) will welcome the news that the Prime Minister's condition is now being described as "making progress"
That has to be great news hasn't it!?

A lovely sunny spring morning and the PM appears to be on the road to recovery!

Reasons to be cheerful

🌤

[evensteadiereddie]

Oh dear, Ringo, so your comment wasn't now taken out of context, it was mere banter, a bit of fun ?
OK, whatever you say, mate, I guess you now need to have another look at others' "spiteful" or er, "callous" remarks and, in the name of fairness and not wanting to come across as a hypocrite, rebrand them as jokey, fun or banter ?

Fwiw, I'm glad the precautions to save Johnson from serious illness have been successful and hope the many thousands of ordinary sufferers are just as fortunate.
End of conversation.

[AndrewJB]

Come on Eddie, have you had a sense of humour by-pass or something matey ! ? You can hardly compare this, which was plainly said in jest






To this-



The former is a tongue in cheek pop at wealthy folk chipping in with a few quid.

The latter is someone clearly allowing politics to get in the way of basic humanity to another human being and , essentially, wishing them dead.

Anyway, I'm sure you, like everyone, (save the odd fruit loop) will welcome the news that the Prime Minister's condition is now being described as "making progress"
That has to be great news hasn't it!?

A lovely sunny spring morning and the PM appears to be on the road to recovery!

Reasons to be cheerful

🌤

“First against the wall” means “to be shot” Why did you use that term if you were only jokingly talking about wealthy folk chipping in with a few quid? There is no wall to be first against when paying out money.

As for online hatred, I’ve been told twice recently on social media that I should be “hanged for treason” - simply because I provided cogent reasons why people shouldn’t clap for Johnson. Those “hanged” comments also had several likes - indicating there were other psychopaths agreeing with the sentiment. You don’t have twitter or Facebook, so you don’t have first hand knowledge. I do, and I can tell you that when it comes to advocating the death of someone, 90% of the time it’s a right wing nutcase. I’m probably being generous there, because hardly ever will you see left wing people calling for a person’s murder.

Rightwing politics is focused on fear and hatred. Take any key rightwing talking point: brexit, immigration, public spending - and you have the existential threat. Ruled from Brussels, swamped by migrants, ripped off by scroungers. Left wing politics is about building things, and fixing problems. Human beings react to immediate threats before they set to creating, so right wing politics has an advantage there; but this virus, and climate change will shake things up.

[keith1879]

“First against the wall” means “to be shot” Why did you use that term if you were only jokingly talking about wealthy folk chipping in with a few quid? There is no wall to be first against when paying out money.

As for online hatred, I’ve been told twice recently on social media that I should be “hanged for treason” - simply because I provided cogent reasons why people shouldn’t clap for Johnson. Those “hanged” comments also had several likes - indicating there were other psychopaths agreeing with the sentiment. You don’t have twitter or Facebook, so you don’t have first hand knowledge. I do, and I can tell you that when it comes to advocating the death of someone, 90% of the time it’s a right wing nutcase. I’m probably being generous there, because hardly ever will you see left wing people calling for a person’s murder.

Rightwing politics is focused on fear and hatred. Take any key rightwing talking point: brexit, immigration, public spending - and you have the existential threat. Ruled from Brussels, swamped by migrants, ripped off by scroungers. Left wing politics is about building things, and fixing problems. Human beings react to immediate threats before they set to creating, so right wing politics has an advantage there; but this virus, and climate change will shake things up.

Great post in my opinion.....a pity that in the modern world of on-line certainties and meaningless platitudes there are very few (if any) people who will actually read it, think about it and judge it on its merits. I thought Brexit had plumbed new depths on here but Covid19 seems to be going very much the same way.

[Damo]

Some people just cant help themselves can they.

We know who doesn't like Boris, or Corbyn, or whoever. Theres thread after thread with the same people stating it, over and over again.
It's perfectly possible to either send good wishes, or clap or whatever, if you feel it helps somehow, without telling us again that you dont like someone.
If you are spending the lockdown arguing with like minded people on tw*tter, then leave it there. Theres no need to transfer that nonsense here.

[HitchinClaret]

I'd have Keira up against the wall straight away.
Minx

[martin_p]

Some people just cant help themselves can they.

We know who doesn't like Boris, or Corbyn, or whoever. Theres thread after thread with the same people stating it, over and over again.
It's perfectly possible to either send good wishes, or clap or whatever, if you feel it helps somehow, without telling us again that you dont like someone.
If you are spending the lockdown arguing with like minded people on tw*tter, then leave it there. Theres no need to transfer that nonsense here.

For once I agree with Damo.

[TVC15]

I'd have Keira up against the wall straight away.
Minx

At last this messageboard is getting back to its original roots !

[Volvoclaret]

I'd have Keira up against the wall straight away.
Minx

So would Boris.

[evensteadiereddie]

Not in his current state he wouldn't !

[evensteadiereddie]

Had to laugh at this.....all Johnson's kids have sent him a Get Well Soon card..............

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[NewClaret]

Had to laugh at this.....all Johnson's kids have sent him a Get Well Soon card..............

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[KateR]

Rightwing politics is focused on fear and hatred. Take any key rightwing talking point: brexit, immigration, public spending - and you have the existential threat. Ruled from Brussels, swamped by migrants, ripped off by scroungers. Left wing politics is about building things, and fixing problems. Human beings react to immediate threats before they set to creating, so right wing politics has an advantage there; but this virus, and climate change will shake things up.

what an absolute load of drivel

[Volvoclaret]

Pol pot, Stalin, Chairman Mao, all left wingers, not known for fixing things.

[thatdberight]

Rightwing politics is focused on fear and hatred. Take any key rightwing talking point: brexit, immigration, public spending - and you have the existential threat. Ruled from Brussels, swamped by migrants, ripped off by scroungers. Left wing politics is about building things, and fixing problems. Human beings react to immediate threats before they set to creating, so right wing politics has an advantage there; but this virus, and climate change will shake things up.

like

I had the sense to withdraw a stupid generalisation I made last night when it was pointed out to me.

Now's your chance.

[ClaretAndJew]

Pol pot, Stalin, Chairman Mao, all left wingers, not known for fixing things.

Left wingers? Absolute ********.

[Rowls]

Left wingers? Absolute ********.

I think you'll find they were all Communists, which would normally earna definition of "left wing".

[Devils_Advocate]

I had the sense to withdraw a stupid generalisation I made last night when it was pointed out to me.

Now's your chance.

Im comfortable with my like for Andrews post and think there is a lot of difference between what you posted and what Andrew posted

I appreciate where you are coming from but i've looked at it a few times and if you think me liking that post is akin to what you posted the other day then respectfully we'll just have to disagree

[thatdberight]

Im comfortable with my like for Andrews post and think there is a lot of difference between what you posted and what Andrew posted

I appreciate where you are coming from but i've looked at it a few times and if you think me liking that post is akin to what you posted the other day then respectfully we'll just have to disagree

OK. I don't know why you wouldn't wish ill on such people as you seem to think right-wingers are. If I thought left-wingers were so deliberately malign and so dangerous, I'm not sure I'd care much for their health.

I'm not surprised - I may try and rewrite the longer thought I had.

[KateR]

I think you'll find they were all Communists, which would normally earna definition of "left wing".

you can add Venezuela in to the mix, it's a good example of how to fix things and not scare people

[Down_Rover]

I came on to this thread to wish Boris all the best.

I find myself rudely interrupting a slanging match between people with differing political views

I apologise

[Devils_Advocate]

OK. I don't know why you wouldn't wish ill on such people as you seem to think right-wingers are. If I thought left-wingers were so deliberately malign and so dangerous, I'm not sure I'd care much for their health.

I'm not surprised - I may try and rewrite the longer thought I had.

I haven't wished ill on anyone. I do think that right wing politics uses hate and fear a lot although I accept this is debatable but I haven't judge people who are politically right wing as anything evil, bad or guilty of being hateful and fear mongering.

I think the issue with right wing politics is the people at the top who have the money and power and the mechanisms they put in place and not your everyday normal person who might just have right leaning views

You used the term the left as in people and stated they wished someone ill or dead which is absolutely different.

Im trying to front up and answer honestly to you but im not going to get in a elongated back and forth. Judge me and my opinion as you will but this is how I view the two posts in question

[Rowls]

I came on to this thread to wish Boris all the best.

I find myself rudely interrupting a slanging match between people with differing political views

I apologise

We can still wish Boris well.

I fell into the trap of responding to things on here.

We're all at a loose end unfortunately.

ALl the best, Boris!

[IanMcL]

May all ill people get well.

[thatdberight]

I haven't wished ill on anyone. I do think that right wing politics uses hate and fear a lot although I accept this is debatable but I haven't judge people who are politically right wing as anything evil, bad or guilty of being hateful and fear mongering.

I think the issue with right wing politics is the people at the top who have the money and power and the mechanisms they put in place and not your everyday normal person who might just have right leaning views

You used the term the left as in people and stated they wished someone ill or dead which is absolutely different.

Im trying to front up and answer honestly to you but im not going to get in a elongated back and forth. Judge me and my opinion as you will but this is how I view the two posts in question

Fine. No prolonged debate although I think trying to hive off "politics" as some sort of independent entity separate from the people who hold such views is a weak argument. If the views are malign, so are the people who hold them. Scruton nailed it.

[evensteadiereddie]

Sounds painful...

[ElectroClaret]

BJ moved out of intensive care.(BBC)

[dermotdermot]

Extremely good news.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Positive news.

[bfcjg]

Any positive news during these dark days is welcome. It's almost as though he is living out the UK in person, slow build up terrible worry and dark news then a corner turned not out of the woods but going in right direction.
Glad for him and his family, he is a vulnerable human like us all.

[evensteadiereddie]

Who'd have thought it ?

[NewClaret]

Brilliant news. Delighted.

Had a bad feeling about it, so very pleased to be proved wrong!

[Bosscat]

Perhaps the idiocy can now end on here, lets battle against the virus not each other ffs.

Glad to see Boris out of intensive care..... it gives hope to millions of us all.


Now lets have everybody stay at home this weekend, and observe the lockdown ... lets beat this horrible thing.

[Volvoclaret]

Spot on Boss.

[tarkys_ears]

G'wan Boris Lad!

[AndrewJB]

I had the sense to withdraw a stupid generalisation I made last night when it was pointed out to me.

Now's your chance.

It was a broad brush statement, and of course there are no absolutes in anything, I should also point out that I’m not referring to ordinary people, but our political elites. Trump could be held up as an example of a right winger having some positivity in his campaign - bringing jobs back to the US, and draining the swamp, but there was a huge amount of negativity too, drawing on fear and racism, and on balance there was a lot more negativity. Consider Brexit. The rightwing remainers gave us project fear, and the other side gave us posters of long lines of refugees. There was the positive bus poster, but that turned out to be a cynical lie. Do you remember Labour or LibDems or Greens (from either side) playing on fears and anxiety?

The reason the right do this is because they can’t run on a “we are looking out for the interests of the rich” platform (that is what they do when in office, and that’s why the majority of their funding comes from rich people), so they need to divert the public’s attention away from this with things like immigration (hence you get people in towns like Burnley that have had a falling population for a hundred years say “this country is too full”), the EU, Muslim terrorists, benefit cheats (there is no end to the potential list of bogeymen) to distract and rile people up.

[tiger76]

I know that there was at least one other poster that said something along the lines that they wished Boris recovery like they wished everyone else in hospital (or who had the virus) etc. They didn’t get jumped on like you.
I believe that is what you meant to say and like you say it was probably not worded the best.

Irrespective it is nothing like the extreme views we have heard from the mayor etc and nobody on here has said anything remotely like that so not really sure why it’s been mentioned on here. Let’s not pretend that whoever was PM or who ever got ill on either party there would not be some fruit loop somewhere on social media putting on a stupid comment or saying they were pleased or deserved it. Giving these idiots more “airtime” on here serves no purpose.

The mayor in has paid the price for her inappropriate comments https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-der ... -52224325

In the interests of balance does anybody have any updates on the Labour MP Tony Lloyd,the latest i can find is from 3 days ago,and he was stable and responding to treatment,hopefully he'll make a speedy recovery as the PM appears to be doing.

[Bosscat]

The mayor in has paid the price for her inappropriate comments https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-der ... -52224325

In the interests of balance does anybody have any updates on the Labour MP Tony Lloyd,the latest i can find is from 3 days ago,and he was stable and responding to treatment,hopefully he'll make a speedy recovery as the PM appears to be doing.

No idea Tiger about Tony Lloyd but I wish him a speedy recovery like Boris appears now to be having

[Rowls]

May all ill people get well.

God bless us, every one!

[dermotdermot]

The mayor in has paid the price for her inappropriate comments https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-der ... -52224325

In the interests of balance does anybody have any updates on the Labour MP Tony Lloyd,the latest i can find is from 3 days ago,and he was stable and responding to treatment,hopefully he'll make a speedy recovery as the PM appears to be doing.

That ghastly woman’s comments are mild compared to those made by Corbyn associate and RMT union leader one Steve Hedley. Hopefully he will be relieved of his £100,000 job as well. A truly vile individual.

[Joe Buck]

Genuinely glad he’s getting through this but hope it’s acknowledged that the NHS has saved him. Not his inner resolve or his Churchillian spirit .

[tiger76]

That ghastly woman’s comments are mild compared to those made by Corbyn associate and RMT union leader one Steve Hedley. Hopefully he will be relieved of his £100,000 job as well. A truly vile individual.

I'd have thought Mr Hedley would have been busy supporting his members during this crisis,is it a valid argument to expect his members to receive the adequate protection absolutely,and i'd 100% back that POV,however his crass personal attacks are totally uncalled for,and an official in a senior role has to behave in a fitting manner,if that's the attitude of the Corbyn wing of the Labour Party it's no wonder they were rejected at the ballot box.

[RingoMcCartney]

“First against the wall” means “to be shot” Why did you use that term if you were only jokingly talking about wealthy folk chipping in with a few quid? There is no wall to be first against when paying out money.

I think you've answered your question Andrew! Why use that term? It was for comedic effect! It was said in the context of the finger being pointed about well paid footballers not donating money to the NHS. When there wasn't similar demands of actors, musicians and lawyers. The subject was money, wealth. As you say, "there is no wall to be first against when paying out money." Nor is there there "anything to sign" as I'd said. It was fictitious, it was ....... a joke about money.

Claret on a Trex made this comment, knowing full well the PM was already suffering from this hideous virus. There was nothing made up or make believe about his, already serious, condition whatsoever.

Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:50 pm

Joke prime minister, if he gets it worse, the NHS should refuse to treat him.

Thank God, it looks as if the PM is over the worst. With the staff at St Thomas's hospital not taking the advice of a bloke on a football message board! And deserving the rousing applause and cheers on my street and on countless streets, across the grateful and appreciative nation, for their efforts.

Another fabulous, and growing, tribute for those on the front line of this horrendous epidemic. On that , I'm sure we can both agree!

Gu' Lad Boris and well done all the staff. A big "Thank you" from McCartney Towers.

[evensteadiereddie]

Bloody hell, I bet you bought flowers for Diana, too.

(Joke, banter, fun.)


In all seriousness and with the full respect demanded by the sticky at the top of this thread, the big news for me yesterday was the death of the doctor who first flagged up the shortage of PPE way back on March 18th. Abdul Mabud Chowdhury, a consultant urologist, was admitted to hospital five days later, not as a precaution but because he was seriously ill, and died of the virus on Wednesday.
What a senseless, tragic waste.

[evensteadiereddie]

I'd have thought Mr Hedley would have been busy supporting his members during this crisis,is it a valid argument to expect his members to receive the adequate protection absolutely,and i'd 100% back that POV,however his crass personal attacks are totally uncalled for,and an official in a senior role has to behave in a fitting manner,if that's the attitude of the Corbyn wing of the Labour Party it's no wonder they were rejected at the ballot box.

Don't cry about it, he was probably joking and that, apparently, makes it all OK.

[Clarets4me]

As I do with anyone who's suffering with the Convid19 virus, I wish Boris Johnson a continued and speedy recovery.
It will be a sure sign that we are reverting to normality when the nation's press are not so much concerned as to which type of bed the Prime Minister is sleeping in, but in whose !

[evensteadiereddie]

Not bad, not bad at all, C4m.