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Plymouth 1998
Watching the Sunderland Netflix documentary it showed the couple on the train to Wembley reading a prayer that had been printed in the local paper.
I may have totally dreamt this but on the day before the Plymouth home match under Waddle does anyone remember the Burnley Express having a Lord Kitchener type poster on the front page reading ‘Your club needs you!?
Don’t remember much of the game itself as far too many pre match drinks but recall it being very tense in the pubs in town!
The day gets a great write up in a book called ‘Playing at Home’ by John Aizlewood who visited every league ground in the country that season.
I may have totally dreamt this but on the day before the Plymouth home match under Waddle does anyone remember the Burnley Express having a Lord Kitchener type poster on the front page reading ‘Your club needs you!?
Don’t remember much of the game itself as far too many pre match drinks but recall it being very tense in the pubs in town!
The day gets a great write up in a book called ‘Playing at Home’ by John Aizlewood who visited every league ground in the country that season.
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Re: Plymouth 1998
I'd love to watch that game through again.
There's so little footage of it available.
There's so little footage of it available.
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Re: Plymouth 1998
I can remember the Lord Kitchener poster in the Burnley Express. It looks as though it worked.Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:35 pmWatching the Sunderland Netflix documentary it showed the couple on the train to Wembley reading a prayer that had been printed in the local paper.
I may have totally dreamt this but on the day before the Plymouth home match under Waddle does anyone remember the Burnley Express having a Lord Kitchener type poster on the front page reading ‘Your club needs you!?
Don’t remember much of the game itself as far too many pre match drinks but recall it being very tense in the pubs in town!
The day gets a great write up in a book called ‘Playing at Home’ by John Aizlewood who visited every league ground in the country that season.
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Re: Plymouth 1998
Good I haven’t made it up then! It certainly worked with the crowd that day! Must have been a long journey home for the Plymouth fans!
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Re: Plymouth 1998
Not too sure Lord Kitchener would have had you on the front line then, SHP.
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Re: Plymouth 1998
I remember being very nervous before and during the game until the last few minutes
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Re: Plymouth 1998
Not fit state that day! Fantastic night celebrating the win!Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:50 pmNot too sure Lord Kitchener would have had you on the front line then, SHP.
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Re: Plymouth 1998
We must have really irked the Plymouth fans in the 1990's,denied them a Wembley trip in 94,and then relegated them 4 years later.
Just reading the match report from that day,i forgot how big a favour we owed Bristol Rovers for their victory over Brentford,and they did it with 10 men,we really dodged a bullet that season,and arguably this great escape enabled all the future success which was to follow,if we'd have dropped to the 4th tier again,who knows how grim it could have become,but the late 1980's could well have been repeated.
Just reading the match report from that day,i forgot how big a favour we owed Bristol Rovers for their victory over Brentford,and they did it with 10 men,we really dodged a bullet that season,and arguably this great escape enabled all the future success which was to follow,if we'd have dropped to the 4th tier again,who knows how grim it could have become,but the late 1980's could well have been repeated.
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Re: Plymouth 1998
Yes they must have been sick of the sight of us. As you say if we’d been relegated it could have been very grim. Some amazing wins in the second half of that season.tiger76 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:03 pmWe must have really irked the Plymouth fans in the 1990's,denied them a Wembley trip in 94,and then relegated them 4 years later.
Just reading the match report from that day,i forgot how big a favour we owed Bristol Rovers for their victory over Brentford,and they did it with 10 men,we really dodged a bullet that season,and arguably this great escape enabled all the future success which was to follow,if we'd have dropped to the 4th tier again,who knows how grim it could have become,but the late 1980's could well have been repeated.
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Re: Plymouth 1998
I thought Andy Cooke and Damian Matthew were immense, that day. Cooke was a great player for us in general. He was tough as teak, scored a load of goals for us that season, and made a perfect foil for Andy Payton fit the next two seasons.
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Re: Plymouth 1998
It was probably at its worst in the last few minutes especially when Winstanley.completely missed the ball from a cross and Woods got in the way of a point-blank shot. They seem to have completely re-developed.their ground from when I was last there.
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Re: Plymouth 1998
I think that was the season when most of the Plymouth ground was closed down. By the time we went again there were three new stands and now the main stand has also gone.
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Re: Plymouth 1998
Andy Cooke was a good striker for us.Lord Beamish wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:34 pmI thought Andy Cooke and Damian Matthew were immense, that day. Cooke was a great player for us in general. He was tough as teak, scored a load of goals for us that season, and made a perfect foil for Andy Payton fit the next two seasons.
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Re: Plymouth 1998
I had one the most ridiculous days of my life that day...
I took a good friend - a Plymouth fan.
Sat in the Bee Hole end - Just about stopped a riot...
One day with time I'll list the whole day down and post it.
The whole "day" was bonkers and you literally could not make it up.
Would make a great film but far to daft to be believed
I took a good friend - a Plymouth fan.
Sat in the Bee Hole end - Just about stopped a riot...
One day with time I'll list the whole day down and post it.
The whole "day" was bonkers and you literally could not make it up.
Would make a great film but far to daft to be believed
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Re: Plymouth 1998
I remember this brilliant day out at Pride Park in December 1999 when Andy Cooke rose
majestically above the premier league Derby defence to head home for the only goal of the game.
I remember loads of our fans turning up dressed as Father Christmas - cracking day out all round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVGI0bxuEFQ
majestically above the premier league Derby defence to head home for the only goal of the game.
I remember loads of our fans turning up dressed as Father Christmas - cracking day out all round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVGI0bxuEFQ
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Re: Plymouth 1998
Wasn't Waddles season in charge 1996?
Asking for my own sanity?
Asking for my own sanity?
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Re: Plymouth 1998
97/98 season!Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:26 pmWasn't Waddles season in charge 1996?
Asking for my own sanity?
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Re: Plymouth 1998
Sounds an interesting story! My night bizarrely ended with me and my mates carrying Mark Ford round smacks on our shoulders!!! A fantastic day and night out round town!HunterST_BFC wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:11 pmI had one the most ridiculous days of my life that day...
I took a good friend - a Plymouth fan.
Sat in the Bee Hole end - Just about stopped a riot...
One day with time I'll list the whole day down and post it.
The whole "day" was bonkers and you literally could not make it up.
Would make a great film but far to daft to be believed
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Re: Plymouth 1998
HaHa brilliantSteve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:29 pmSounds an interesting story! My night bizarrely ended with me and my mates carrying Mark Ford round smacks on our shoulders!!! A fantastic day and night out round town!
Things for us has started going a bit wobbly the night before and despite events that resembled the film Clockwise (John Cleese) made the match,
The game was lest's just say for now - event full
After the game - decided it wise to miss the usual pubs and head further down town ...
Headed down the high street to somewhere quieter.
Halfway down heard beeping?
There was a cashpoint beeping at us... with paper hanging out... walking past glanced again and took a look.
Cash hanging out of it, lots of it...
That's when things escalated
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Re: Plymouth 1998
My first ever away game! Bought the whole 90 mins rerun on VHS when it came out to celebrate for 15 quid. Never watched itFunkydrummer wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:21 pmI remember this brilliant day out at Pride Park in December 1999 when Andy Cooke rose
majestically above the premier league Derby defence to head home for the only goal of the game.
I remember loads of our fans turning up dressed as Father Christmas - cracking day out all round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVGI0bxuEFQ
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Re: Plymouth 1998
One of my favourite books, that. He gets a lot about Bury wrong and there are few places he seems to actually like, but I love the write-ups of going to rough pubs alone, which is something I’m a fan of too.Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:35 pmWatching the Sunderland Netflix documentary it showed the couple on the train to Wembley reading a prayer that had been printed in the local paper.
I may have totally dreamt this but on the day before the Plymouth home match under Waddle does anyone remember the Burnley Express having a Lord Kitchener type poster on the front page reading ‘Your club needs you!?
Don’t remember much of the game itself as far too many pre match drinks but recall it being very tense in the pubs in town!
The day gets a great write up in a book called ‘Playing at Home’ by John Aizlewood who visited every league ground in the country that season.
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Re: Plymouth 1998
This definitely sounds like a story that needs sharing one day!!!HunterST_BFC wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:26 pmHaHa brilliant
Things for us has started going a bit wobbly the night before and despite events that resembled the film Clockwise (John Cleese) made the match,
The game was lest's just say for now - event full
After the game - decided it wise to miss the usual pubs and head further down town ...
Headed down the high street to somewhere quieter.
Halfway down heard beeping?
There was a cashpoint beeping at us... with paper hanging out... walking past glanced again and took a look.
Cash hanging out of it, lots of it...
That's when things escalated
Re: Plymouth 1998
Look forward to that mate.HunterST_BFC wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:11 pmI had one the most ridiculous days of my life that day...
I took a good friend - a Plymouth fan.
Sat in the Bee Hole end - Just about stopped a riot...
One day with time I'll list the whole day down and post it.
The whole "day" was bonkers and you literally could not make it up.
Would make a great film but far to daft to be believed
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Re: Plymouth 1998
Funny old season that. You tend to forget that in the lower leagues you need higher average points to stay up. We had some really good results in the second half of the season and beat 5 of the teams that finished in the top 6. Also hammered York 7-2 at home and there was that great day at Preston when Neil Moore got the last minute winner. Seem to remember Glen Little being awesome that day.
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Re: Plymouth 1998
unbelievable how we stayed up that season. Didn't get a win in about 11 games or something at the beginning, scored only 1 goal in our first 7 games or something, and only got a first away win in November at Luton Tuesday night I remember.
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And the rest, as they say, is history as envious glances are cast towards Gigg Lane.
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Re: Plymouth 1998
Preston away was a great day bagging a last minute winner! We were stood on the side as they were redeveloping the ground and Nogan scored for them!ChorltonCharlie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:42 amFunny old season that. You tend to forget that in the lower leagues you need higher average points to stay up. We had some really good results in the second half of the season and beat 5 of the teams that finished in the top 6. Also hammered York 7-2 at home and there was that great day at Preston when Neil Moore got the last minute winner. Seem to remember Glen Little being awesome that day.
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Pretty soon the only envious glances cast towards Gigg Lane will be at the three and four bedroomed detached houses.jamesisaburyfan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:17 amAnd the rest, as they say, is history as envious glances are cast towards Gigg Lane.
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Re: Plymouth 1998
No need to rub it in, mate.
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Re: Plymouth 1998
Is there much footage of the Waddle season online? Would be great to see the 3-2 win at Preston again for starters
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Re: Plymouth 1998
Can't find Preston but from one week before that game, there was the 7-2 home win against YorkJohnDearyMe wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:06 pmIs there much footage of the Waddle season online? Would be great to see the 3-2 win at Preston again for starters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70qNMOA8bW8
Plus Grimsby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL_MfMhMdAc
and Northampton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X14oR1h2fw
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Re: Plymouth 1998
Despite the drama and the fun of the last-day survival it was a rotten season.
Waddle's purchases (with the exception of the Payton swap deal) were awful. Ford, Howey, Williams, Henderson - all useless.
But the worst thing was the unprofessionalism that seeped into the club during and immediately after his departure. The culture he left behind which Stan inherited nearly did for us the following season.
If Waddle had stayed, if we'd gone down (that season or the season afterwards under Stan) then we could have been looking at a long spell in the 4th tier.
Waddle's purchases (with the exception of the Payton swap deal) were awful. Ford, Howey, Williams, Henderson - all useless.
But the worst thing was the unprofessionalism that seeped into the club during and immediately after his departure. The culture he left behind which Stan inherited nearly did for us the following season.
If Waddle had stayed, if we'd gone down (that season or the season afterwards under Stan) then we could have been looking at a long spell in the 4th tier.
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Re: Plymouth 1998
Did Paul Barnes go on to do much after we swapped him for Payton?
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He didn't tear many trees up when he came to Bury, that's for sure. Just one of a number of players whose signing I was excited by and whose performances left me a bit underwhelmed.
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Re: Plymouth 1998
Barnes overall record for us was good. To the point I'm surprised how many he did get, especially under Heath. 30 goals in 65 league games isn't bad at all. Problem were goals were like buses for him. Wouldn't score for several games, then 5 in one go. Sure under Heath nearly half his 24 league goals game in just 3 games.
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Re: Plymouth 1998
Think you are right did he not score two hatricks alongside the 5 he got against Stockport?ChorltonCharlie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:40 pmBarnes overall record for us was good. To the point I'm surprised how many he did get, especially under Heath. 30 goals in 65 league games isn't bad at all. Problem were goals were like buses for him. Wouldn't score for several games, then 5 in one go. Sure under Heath nearly half his 24 league goals game in just 3 games.
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Re: Plymouth 1998
Mainly in the Conference I think. Helped Doncaster back up with a decent tally.JohnDearyMe wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:44 pmDid Paul Barnes go on to do much after we swapped him for Payton?
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Re: Plymouth 1998
Yeah, 5 against Stockport and hat tricks against Blackpool and Peterboro. Also had a purple patch where he bagged 6 goals in 5 league games. So from 24 league goals, 17 were scored in those 8 appearances. Even his two hat tricks came in the space of 3 games. In fairness to him he scored pretty regularly in his first season after only scoring in 2 of his first 14 games. Under Waddle he was bobbins though.Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:22 pmThink you are right did he not score two hatricks alongside the 5 he got against Stockport?
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Re: Plymouth 1998
It was a masterstroke by Waddle bringing Payton in. Probably the only decent thing he did as manager!
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https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... whOWSa3XRQJohnDearyMe wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:06 pmIs there much footage of the Waddle season online? Would be great to see the 3-2 win at Preston again for starters
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Re: Plymouth 1998
I’d forgotten we nearly got to Wembley that season!
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Re: Plymouth 1998
Waddle stole a wage that year and should be ashamed pretending to be a knowledgeable chappie in the mediaFunkydrummer wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:29 pmhttps://www.managerstats.co.uk/managers/chris-waddle/
Cracking read !!!!
He was more interested in boozing than footy! Despise the clown
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Re: Plymouth 1998
We came up from Dawlish(Devon) for the game, what a day. Had some very interesting encounters with Plymouth fans in the service stations on the way home. Also seem to remember some 'happy' waves from Liverpool fans on the M6 - they had just beaten either Villa or West Ham and mistook our colours. The waves changed to thumbs up when my wife held up a Burnley scarf.
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https://youtu.be/l_FNrjBalnw
1998 match
1998 match
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Re: Plymouth 1998
Can’t imagine they were happy they certainly weren’t at full time with the pitch invasion! I was working early that morning and remember Radio Lancs had a few interviews with their fans who were just getting on the coaches!Dawlishclaret wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:17 amWe came up from Dawlish(Devon) for the game, what a day. Had some very interesting encounters with Plymouth fans in the service stations on the way home. Also seem to remember some 'happy' waves from Liverpool fans on the M6 - they had just beaten either Villa or West Ham and mistook our colours. The waves changed to thumbs up when my wife held up a Burnley scarf.
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Re: Plymouth 1998
I thought they took it quite well, some even threw me a few pound coins to buy a beer to celebrate withSteve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:45 amCan’t imagine they were happy they certainly weren’t at full time with the pitch invasion! I was working early that morning and remember Radio Lancs had a few interviews with their fans who were just getting on the coaches!
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